RE: Re: Armour not working?

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting as I have given up with Armour, deciding that I was up to 4 1/2 grains and still not feeling great and still not having symptoms of being overmedicated - guess what, mine is the same batch number! Could it be a faulty batch?

Gill

I had problems with new armour, and kept increasing the dose. I was just about at the end of the 100 tab container (18 left) when alerted that others were also having problems with hypo symptoms including depression returning. (Thanks Nick)The batch Number I had was 070817 EXP 12/09

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[Guest guest]

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:25:15 -0000, you wrote:

>I may give it a little longer and see if things settle down.

Good luck, if itt doesn't settle then let people on the list know and

I'm sure someone can let you have a few tablets of some other Natural

to try and see if that works

Well done on getting the NHS to play ball, I never went through that

battle and just import privately.

Nick

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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:23:09 +0100, you wrote:

>This is very interesting as I have given up with Armour, deciding that I was

>up to 4 1/2 grains and still not feeling great and still not having symptoms

>of being overmedicated - guess what, mine is the same batch number! Could

>it be a faulty batch?

Batches around that number certainly caused trouble for several

people. Mine was batch 070817 and the expiry date 12/09, just checked,

that's the same batch!!! I found someone else having trouble with that

batch too.

Nick

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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:42:47 +0100, you wrote:

>I thought that ones with expiry dates about then were old formulation rather

than the new? I have 2 containers if each which expire 02/10 (1 grain & 1.5

grain) batches 11780406 and 12420406 & assumed these were also old ones. I

would not notice the difference as I have swallowed them for ages anyway & did

not cut them up that often.

Depends on the tablet size, those were 3 grain and among the first of

the new.

>

>Still at the moment I am also just on T3, so these might go out of date before

I get the chance to try them.

I took some Major Thyroid USP that had been laying around for years

when I had run out of all bar new formulationa and it was fine, they

seem ok even a year or two out of date if they are stored at a

moderate temperature.

I saw someone say they kept their bulk stock in the freezer, seems a

good plan and might do that with half mine (half in case it makes it

worse). I'm never going to get low again and am always going to try a

new batch even if I have plenty of the old left (had been using it in

rotation and had 3 weeks worth left when the duff batch arrived but

hadn't tried it).

Nick

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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:16:32 -0000, you wrote:

>

>I would almost certainly think that a batch with an expiration date of 12/09 on

the manufacturers bottle would be the old Armour. Maybe just a bad batch of the

old Armour.

It was New, Forest confirmed that when I phoned.

>

>I thought the expiration dates are about 2 years out (i.e., made 12/07), but

even if they are one year out, it would have been made Dec 2008, that is before

2009 when the new ones were supposed to have been introduced.

Looks like they have become about 18 months, batch numbers looks like

they are MM/YY/serial so 070817 becomes July 2008 batch 17.

This has agreed with any other batch numbers I've looked at with the

expiry month changing part way through the manufacture month.

It may be batch related, a lot of people are reporting problems

though.

Nick

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Hi veryland - it might well be that you are suffering with low

adrenal reserve or one of the other associated conditions that go along with

being hypothyroid that stops you from utilising any new increases in your dose

of Armour. Perhaps if you boosted your adrenals by starting a course of adrenal

supplements such as 's Dynamite Adrenal or Nutri Adrenal Extra this might

help. Healthy adrenals are need to help convert the mainly inactive T4 to the

active T3. Otherwise, your problem could be that you are low in the reference

range for one or more of the following: ferritin (stored iron), B12, Vitamin

D3, Magnesium, zinc and copper. Ask your GP to check to see if any are low, and

if they are, then you need to supplement whatever is low. Are you taking high

dose Vitamin C such as 2/3000mgs daily? Are you taking 200mcgs Selenium daily

with food. Do you have systemic candidiasis? Read the information in our web

site under 'Hypothyroidism' and then under 'Associated Conditions' and if you

have any questions, just shout and somebody will be along to help you.

Luv - Sheila

It seems to happen to me when I raise my dose. I don't have any hyper symptoms,

just some aches that you described.

This happens even when I really do need the increased dose.

For me, it always goes away after a couple of weeks and stays away for good if

I stay on the same dose for a long time.

I don't think this is a hypo or hyper symptom. I just think it is my body

adjusting to the new, higher dose that I need. I have heard some say it is

maybe my adrenals adjusting to the new dose.

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Hi,

I got aches on too much Armour and had to replace some with T3- the

aches then went.

It seems to happen to me when I raise my dose. I don't have any hyper

symptoms, just some aches that you described.

This happens even when I really do need the increased dose.

For me, it always goes away after a couple of weeks and stays away for

good if I stay on the same dose for a long time.

I don't think this is a hypo or hyper symptom. I just think it is my

body adjusting to the new, higher dose that I need. I have heard some

say it is maybe my adrenals adjusting to the new dose.

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There are peeps who seem to be having problems, but there also

appear to be lots of peeps who are not. There does appear to be more peeps on

the American forums than the UK forums who are complaining of problems. We

really do appear to have very few in comparison, but yes, we do have some and

they are quite vociferous about the effects 9or lack of effects) with the new

formulated Armour. Some people have raised their dose to compensate and others

take their new Armour with a little sugar under their tongue or with some citric

acid which helps - and others have changed over to Nature Throid. Anybody who

is having serious problems with the new Armour must report this to the MHRA on

their Yellow Card Scheme and also complain to the FDA -= otherwise, they will

not be able to have a recall of certain batches and do further investigation.

It is no good complaining on an Internet or local thyroid support group because

we can do nothing.

I have no idea what is happening but would have thought there

would have been a recall if there was a problem, but we will just have to wait

and see.

Luv - Sheila

Lots of peeps seem to be having lots of trouble

on the new armour, I don't take it so I don't know.

However how is your Vit D status also? I ask because the deficiency mimics low

thyroid too..''back to the pains leg

cramps, knee joints and feeling shattered.''

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Judy, weak adrenals preventing utilisation of thyroid hormones? > > I have recently managed to increased to 3 grains of Armour. But I feel very achey my muscle feel very weak and I am exhausted by the afternoon. I will have to see if it settles down in a few weeks. > > If I was on the new Armour I would have put it down to that but I am still using old formula.> > judy> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >