Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

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That is very true. When they come home we need to voice our concerns / opinions and desires to them. I am not spouting off a political side although I lean toward one more than the other. I am relaying what I have read and decided for myself.

Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

By seeing people's comments to this topic, it is very easy to spot who is a Republican and who is a Democrat, so that makes it a political discussion. The Republican's are spouting what other Republicans have said and the Democrats are spouting what Democrats have said. Few people who have responded are free thinkers.

Bottom line is that THERE IS NOT A BILL yet. If you have issues, talk to your Representative and let them know what you want. That probably won't change anything, because they all do what they want to anyway and follow their party line, but it is the only way to even hope to change anything. Arguing about it here is not going to solve anything.

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1. If you believe you are not paying for insurance now, you really need to think again. You are and you are being gouged by the current system.

2. You hemophiliac friend may have been treated by St. Judes but that will end if it has not already when he turns 18. St. Judes doesn't treat people after the age of 18. What then for him? He has a pre-existing condition so no insurance will cover that.

3. Why should people be forced to turn to charity for health care? St. Judes does awsome things but no one should have to go beg for health care.

4. There are people in Michigan doing without prescriptions and without medical care. I know two of them. Go to Detroit. So, while..."no one is turned down where I work" may be true, it would not be the norm. Michigan is hard hit and while there are lots of good people helping where they can, people are falling between the cracks.

5. No one is asking for free lunch. I'm happy to pay increased taxes to cover this program so I can have insurance. I cannot get insurance any other way with a pre-existing condition. I was one of you who didn't want this when I worked for a major corporation. I didn't see or understand the need. It came with the job. My attitude was, 'well, just get a job like I did.'

Well, the job market has changed. Corporate and big business figured out that hiring contract temps legitimized them not offering insurance and drove their costs down. Costs of insurance were crippling them. So now, nearly every job here is a contract position with no insurance benefits. Engineers, business analysts, HR specialists....all are contract positions and as such, offer no benefits. There has to be a cost effective solution that will serve this population of people who want to work. So, I for one will be happy to pay for it through my taxes.

Do your research, was right....companies USED benefits to lure excellent employees....Past tense. From The Employee Benefit Research Institute, "

Between 1994 and 2000, the percentage of the nonelderly population

with employment-based coverage expanded. Since 2000, the percentage has declined."

6. The only way the government program will affect your existing insurance is if you carrier decides to change their offering. There is nothing on the table talking about mandating existing programs to change.. There is no way the big HMO interests would allow that. Don't think for a minute they don't have the clout to stop this if it steps on their wallet. Those of you with good coverage should rightfully keep it. I am delighted you have good coverage you are happy with. No one that I've heard wants to take that away from you. This is not a case of strip everyone of what they have and one size fits all. It is a case of, let's fill in the gaps and provide coverage where there is none..

7. I'm glad you have a church you are happy with. I personally do not want to go to my spiritual leaders and beg for medical care. You get to make that choice for yourself. Just like you don't want forced to go to the government program for health care, extend me the courtesy of not having to go through a church to get mine. What about the millions who don't go to church? Do those people not have any option?

8. With all due respect to Dr. Brownstein, how can he possibly know what would be required when there is no bill? There are about twelve bills floating around and all are different and all are still being formulated. THE bill doesn't even exist. He cannot know what will happen.Respectfully,

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From: iodine

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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:12 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

1. If you believe you are not paying for insurance

now, you really need to think again. You are and you are being gouged

by the current system.

2. You hemophiliac friend may have been treated by

St. Judes but that will end if it has not already when he turns 18. St.

Judes doesn't treat people after the age of 18. What then for

him? He has a pre-existing condition so no insurance will cover

that.

3. Why should people be forced to turn to charity

for health care? St. Judes does awsome things but no one should have to

go beg for health care.

4. There are people in Michigan doing without

prescriptions and without medical care. I know two of them. Go to

Detroit. So, while... " no one is turned down where I work " may

be true, it would not be the norm. Michigan is hard hit and while there

are lots of good people helping where they can, people are falling between

the cracks.

5. No one is asking for free lunch. I'm happy

to pay increased taxes to cover this program so I can have

insurance. I cannot get insurance any other way with a

pre-existing condition. I was one of you who didn't want this when

I worked for a major corporation. I didn't see or understand

the need. It came with the job. My attitude was, 'well, just

get a job like I did.'

Well, the job market has changed. Corporate

and big business figured out that hiring contract temps legitimized them not

offering insurance and drove their costs down. Costs of insurance were

crippling them. So now, nearly every job here is a contract position

with no insurance benefits. Engineers, business analysts, HR

specialists....all are contract positions and as such, offer no

benefits. There has to be a cost effective solution that will serve

this population of people who want to work. So, I for one will be happy

to pay for it through my taxes.

Do your research, was right....companies USED

benefits to lure excellent employees....Past tense. From The Employee

Benefit Research Institute, "

Between 1994 and 2000, the percentage of the nonelderly population

with employment-based coverage expanded. Since 2000, the

percentage has declined. "

6. The only way the government program will affect

your existing insurance is if you carrier decides to change their

offering. There is nothing on the table talking about mandating

existing programs to change.. There is no way the big HMO interests

would allow that. Don't think for a minute they don't have the clout to

stop this if it steps on their wallet. Those of you with good coverage

should rightfully keep it. I am delighted you have good coverage you

are happy with. No one that I've heard wants to take that away from

you. This is not a case of strip everyone of what they have and one

size fits all. It is a case of, let's fill in the gaps and provide

coverage where there is none..

7. I'm glad you have a church you are happy

with. I personally do not want to go to my spiritual leaders and beg

for medical care. You get to make that choice for yourself. Just

like you don't want forced to go to the government program for health care,

extend me the courtesy of not having to go through a church to get

mine. What about the millions who don't go to church? Do those

people not have any option?

8. With all due respect to Dr. Brownstein, how can

he possibly know what would be required when there is no bill? There

are about twelve bills floating around and all are different and all are

still being formulated. THE bill doesn't even exist. He cannot

know what will happen.

Respectfully,

Tressler

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St. Jude covers patients for life. Where did you get the

information that coverage stopped at 18? They don’t accept new patients over

18.

Becky D

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Tressler

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:12 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

1. If you believe you are not paying for insurance

now, you really need to think again. You are and you are being gouged

by the current system.

2. You hemophiliac friend may have been treated by

St. Judes but that will end if it has not already when he turns 18. St.

Judes doesn't treat people after the age of 18. What then for

him? He has a pre-existing condition so no insurance will cover

that.

3. Why should people be forced to turn to charity

for health care? St. Judes does awsome things but no one should have to

go beg for health care.

4. There are people in Michigan doing without

prescriptions and without medical care. I know two of them. Go to

Detroit. So, while... " no one is turned down where I work " may

be true, it would not be the norm. Michigan is hard hit and while there

are lots of good people helping where they can, people are falling between

the cracks.

5. No one is asking for free lunch. I'm happy

to pay increased taxes to cover this program so I can have

insurance. I cannot get insurance any other way with a

pre-existing condition. I was one of you who didn't want this when

I worked for a major corporation. I didn't see or understand

the need. It came with the job. My attitude was, 'well, just

get a job like I did.'

Well, the job market has changed. Corporate

and big business figured out that hiring contract temps legitimized them not

offering insurance and drove their costs down. Costs of insurance were

crippling them. So now, nearly every job here is a contract position

with no insurance benefits. Engineers, business analysts, HR

specialists....all are contract positions and as such, offer no

benefits. There has to be a cost effective solution that will serve

this population of people who want to work. So, I for one will be happy

to pay for it through my taxes.

Do your research, was right....companies USED

benefits to lure excellent employees....Past tense. From The Employee

Benefit Research Institute, "

Between 1994 and 2000, the percentage of the nonelderly population

with employment-based coverage expanded. Since 2000, the

percentage has declined. "

6. The only way the government program will affect

your existing insurance is if you carrier decides to change their

offering. There is nothing on the table talking about mandating

existing programs to change.. There is no way the big HMO interests

would allow that. Don't think for a minute they don't have the clout to

stop this if it steps on their wallet. Those of you with good coverage

should rightfully keep it. I am delighted you have good coverage you

are happy with. No one that I've heard wants to take that away from

you. This is not a case of strip everyone of what they have and one

size fits all. It is a case of, let's fill in the gaps and provide

coverage where there is none..

7. I'm glad you have a church you are happy

with. I personally do not want to go to my spiritual leaders and beg

for medical care. You get to make that choice for yourself. Just

like you don't want forced to go to the government program for health care,

extend me the courtesy of not having to go through a church to get

mine. What about the millions who don't go to church? Do those

people not have any option?

8. With all due respect to Dr. Brownstein, how can

he possibly know what would be required when there is no bill? There

are about twelve bills floating around and all are different and all are

still being formulated. THE bill doesn't even exist. He cannot

know what will happen.

Respectfully,

Tressler

Healthy Transitions Life Coaching

541-791-1464

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this is absolutley true. i worked in the emergency room of a hospital in my area, as a registrar and we had people coming in for runny nose, started throwing up an hour ago, (okay, go home, get some ginger ale, saltines, lay in bed, get a bucket and throw up!) headache, which some of those are major, can't go to the bathroom, etc. and most had state medicaid. everyone wants to feel better right this minute, antibiotics would probably do just what i need, (so they think) and sometimes you just have to go to bed and feel sick.we have been insured through my husbands job our whole lives, but my daughter was in college and between semesters so the insurance dropped her. she broke her leg. she could NOT get medicaid to just cover her leg, they told her you live at home have your parents pay for it. but they wouldn't set it without an mri, an mri is several thousand dollars, setting it was 1400, without specialist bills etc. we have paid into the system for 40 years, and can't get a dang thing without paying more. we now pay 1000 dollars a month and have not horrendous co pays but fairly high. and that thousand is just for the two of us. my daughter is now working and has her own insurance. at the hospital, we had an iraqi woman come in, here in the US for a month, guess what!!! she had medicaid. foreigners get instant coverage. what is that.??? i take my scripts to walmart or target and get what i can for 4 dollar prescripts. i pay for my bp meds out of pocket. we have to use mail in program and i DETEST it. so i would rather work and pay out of pocket than use that program. now that part is my choice, but if i have a question, i don't want to talk to someone on the other end of the phone that is reading out of a book. i want the pharmacist. and with mail in you don't get that. with my local cvs, i do. the whole thing is antiquated, i don't know the answer, i have no clue, but we need something better than what we have i am not sure what is being proposed is better for anyone. and of course it could be, just the pharmaceuticals got their panties in a bunch panicky over not making multi billion dollar profits, they might lose a couple billion creating all this stink so they can keep doing what they are doing. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:03 AM, di7rod wrote:There are 46 Million Americans (over 9 million children) uninsured in America. Of the uninsured 8 out of 10 are in working families. The wealthy have what they want, the poorest have Medicaid and the Middle Class are the most uninsured. 1.Every single family in the Housing Projects in our city has Medical Coverage (Welfare). We have been carrying Welfare recipients and under the Current Program will continue t o do so and this is why a Tylenol tablet cost $6.00 in the hospital. The Wealthy and the Poorest are sure to be covered, the Working Middle Class are suffering without Health Care under the present system most. The medical system in America is broken! Administration gets up to 70% on a dollar. Insurance Companies are out of control. A friend of mine is a Neurosurgeon, he won't give a break to anyone in administration.My daughter worked 5 years in Pediatric ICU all the Welfare got covered completely, all the fully Insured got what they need. It was the working class families that could not get test, treatments even surgery that their child needed. Often a Church group tried to raise money to save a child's life. USA has a broken Medical System controlled by Lobbyist, Drug Companies and Insurance Co's (backed by Politics). When these Companies are on the Stock Market then Greed takes precedent over CARE. I have relatives in Nova Scotia with Fine Health Care and I've stayed in Italy and Germany where my friends get Excellent Health Care! The Drs there deal with keeping people WELL. The Apothecary in Germany where Drs send clients was full of vitamins and herbs not controlled by the drug companies. The Health Care System in America is BROKEN and is crumbling. Soon everyone will be scrambling and scrounging under it's collapse, just like the collapse of Wall Street's investment banking giants. If we kept Government out of THAT we would be in World Crisis according to every expert in ever country. The last 40 yrs Capitalism has grown out of control (even Prisons are run by Private Companies on Wall St) Hospitals, Insurance Companies (who are freaking out right now because they rake in more than the medical Profession) and Drug Companies need to be revamped as the Banking System. 2.The Bill is not even Finished!! Politics is controlling the push to stop the Bill before it is even Finished. No ONE knows what it will mean for who yet! There are over 1,000 pages in the first draft that even the Politicians have not read yet. The propaganda machine and fear mongers are out in full force! Depending on if you watch FOX NEWS or CNN as to even what Universal Health Care will mean in America; the MISinformation has already been swirling!>> This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/> > > stephanie>

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There are times that I think the entire thing has been broken by

some greedy folks in insurance, law, and administrators. We should have been

judging indicators by M & M instead of bucks. I do know that Uncle Sam can

break anything you put before him.

Becky D

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of diane

gaul

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:03 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

this is absolutley true. i worked in the emergency room of a hospital in my

area, as a registrar and we had people coming in for runny nose, started

throwing up an hour ago, (okay, go home, get some ginger ale, saltines, lay in

bed, get a bucket and throw up!) headache, which some of those are major, can't

go to the bathroom, etc. and most had state medicaid. everyone wants to feel

better right this minute, antibiotics would probably do just what i need, (so

they think) and sometimes you just have to go to bed and feel sick.

we have been insured through my husbands job our whole

lives, but my daughter was in college and between semesters so the insurance

dropped her. she broke her leg. she could NOT get medicaid to just cover her

leg, they told her you live at home have your parents pay for it. but they

wouldn't set it without an mri, an mri is several thousand dollars, setting it

was 1400, without specialist bills etc. we have paid into the system for 40

years, and can't get a dang thing without paying more. we now pay 1000 dollars

a month and have not horrendous co pays but fairly high. and that thousand is

just for the two of us. my daughter is now working and has her own insurance.

at the hospital, we had an iraqi woman come in, here in the US for a month,

guess what!!! she had medicaid. foreigners get instant coverage. what is

that.??? i take my scripts to walmart or target and get what i can for 4 dollar

prescripts. i pay for my bp meds out of pocket. we have to use mail in program

and i DETEST it. so i would rather work and pay out of pocket than use that

program. now that part is my choice, but if i have a question, i don't want to

talk to someone on the other end of the phone that is reading out of a book. i

want the pharmacist. and with mail in you don't get that. with my local cvs, i

do. the whole thing is antiquated, i don't know the answer, i have no clue, but

we need something better than what we have i am not sure what is being proposed

is better for anyone. and of course it could be, just the pharmaceuticals got

their panties in a bunch panicky over not making multi billion dollar profits,

they might lose a couple billion creating all this stink so they can keep doing

what they are doing.

diane, near philly, pa

On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:03 AM, di7rod wrote:

There are 46 Million Americans (over

9 million children) uninsured in America. Of the uninsured 8 out of 10 are in

working families. The wealthy have what they want, the poorest have Medicaid

and the Middle Class are the most uninsured.

1.Every single family in the Housing Projects in our city has Medical Coverage

(Welfare). We have been carrying Welfare recipients and under the Current

Program will continue t o do so and this is why a Tylenol tablet cost $6.00 in

the hospital.

The Wealthy and the Poorest are sure to be covered, the Working Middle Class

are suffering without Health Care under the present system most.

The medical system in America is broken!

Administration gets up to 70% on a dollar. Insurance Companies are out of

control. A friend of mine is a Neurosurgeon, he won't give a break to anyone in

administration.

My daughter worked 5 years in Pediatric ICU all the Welfare got covered

completely, all the fully Insured got what they need. It was the working class

families that could not get test, treatments even surgery that their child

needed.

Often a Church group tried to raise money to save a child's life.

USA has a broken Medical System controlled by Lobbyist, Drug Companies and

Insurance Co's (backed by Politics).

When these Companies are on the Stock Market then Greed takes precedent over

CARE.

I have relatives in Nova Scotia with Fine Health Care and I've stayed in Italy

and Germany where my friends get Excellent Health Care! The Drs there deal with

keeping people WELL. The Apothecary in Germany where Drs send clients was full

of vitamins and herbs not controlled by the drug companies.

The Health Care System in America is BROKEN and is crumbling. Soon everyone

will be scrambling and scrounging under it's collapse, just like the collapse

of Wall Street's investment banking giants. If we kept Government out of THAT

we would be in World Crisis according to every expert in ever country. The last

40 yrs Capitalism has grown out of control (even Prisons are run by Private

Companies on Wall St) Hospitals, Insurance Companies (who are freaking out

right now because they rake in more than the medical Profession) and Drug

Companies need to be revamped as the Banking System.

2.

The Bill is not even Finished!! Politics is controlling the push to stop the

Bill before it is even Finished. No ONE knows what it will mean for who yet!

There are over 1,000 pages in the first draft that even the Politicians have

not read yet.

The propaganda machine and fear mongers are out in full force! Depending on if

you watch FOX NEWS or CNN as to even what Universal Health Care will mean in

America; the MISinformation has already been swirling!

>

> This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please

take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.

>

> Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT

of healthcare.

> http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/

>

>

> stephanie

>

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No debate there that it is broken. My last RAI pill was $3,500. All I had to do was go to the hospital and swallow it. That was $6,000 later.

Steph

RE: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

There are times that I think the entire thing has been broken by some greedy folks in insurance, law, and administrators. We should have been judging indicators by M & M instead of bucks. I do know that Uncle Sam can break anything you put before him.

Becky D

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of diane gaulSent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:03 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

this is absolutley true. i worked in the emergency room of a hospital in my area, as a registrar and we had people coming in for runny nose, started throwing up an hour ago, (okay, go home, get some ginger ale, saltines, lay in bed, get a bucket and throw up!) headache, which some of those are major, can't go to the bathroom, etc. and most had state medicaid. everyone wants to feel better right this minute, antibiotics would probably do just what i need, (so they think) and sometimes you just have to go to bed and feel sick.

we have been insured through my husbands job our whole lives, but my daughter was in college and between semesters so the insurance dropped her. she broke her leg. she could NOT get medicaid to just cover her leg, they told her you live at home have your parents pay for it. but they wouldn't set it without an mri, an mri is several thousand dollars, setting it was 1400, without specialist bills etc. we have paid into the system for 40 years, and can't get a dang thing without paying more. we now pay 1000 dollars a month and have not horrendous co pays but fairly high. and that thousand is just for the two of us. my daughter is now working and has her own insurance. at the hospital, we had an iraqi woman come in, here in the US for a month, guess what!!! she had medicaid. foreigners get instant coverage. what is that.??? i take my scripts to walmart or target and get what i can for 4 dollar prescripts. i pay for my bp meds out of pocket. we have to use mail in program and i DETEST it. so i would rather work and pay out of pocket than use that program. now that part is my choice, but if i have a question, i don't want to talk to someone on the other end of the phone that is reading out of a book. i want the pharmacist. and with mail in you don't get that. with my local cvs, i do. the whole thing is antiquated, i don't know the answer, i have no clue, but we need something better than what we have i am not sure what is being proposed is better for anyone. and of course it could be, just the pharmaceuticals got their panties in a bunch panicky over not making multi billion dollar profits, they might lose a couple billion creating all this stink so they can keep doing what they are doing.

diane, near philly, pa

On Jul 30, 2009, at 5:03 AM, di7rod wrote:

There are 46 Million Americans (over 9 million children) uninsured in America. Of the uninsured 8 out of 10 are in working families. The wealthy have what they want, the poorest have Medicaid and the Middle Class are the most uninsured. 1.Every single family in the Housing Projects in our city has Medical Coverage (Welfare). We have been carrying Welfare recipients and under the Current Program will continue t o do so and this is why a Tylenol tablet cost $6.00 in the hospital. The Wealthy and the Poorest are sure to be covered, the Working Middle Class are suffering without Health Care under the present system most. The medical system in America is broken! Administration gets up to 70% on a dollar. Insurance Companies are out of control. A friend of mine is a Neurosurgeon, he won't give a break to anyone in administration.My daughter worked 5 years in Pediatric ICU all the Welfare got covered completely, all the fully Insured got what they need. It was the working class families that could not get test, treatments even surgery that their child needed. Often a Church group tried to raise money to save a child's life. USA has a broken Medical System controlled by Lobbyist, Drug Companies and Insurance Co's (backed by Politics). When these Companies are on the Stock Market then Greed takes precedent over CARE. I have relatives in Nova Scotia with Fine Health Care and I've stayed in Italy and Germany where my friends get Excellent Health Care! The Drs there deal with keeping people WELL. The Apothecary in Germany where Drs send clients was full of vitamins and herbs not controlled by the drug companies. The Health Care System in America is BROKEN and is crumbling. Soon everyone will be scrambling and scrounging under it's collapse, just like the collapse of Wall Street's investment banking giants. If we kept Government out of THAT we would be in World Crisis according to every expert in ever country. The last 40 yrs Capitalism has grown out of control (even Prisons are run by Private Companies on Wall St) Hospitals, Insurance Companies (who are freaking out right now because they rake in more than the medical Profession) and Drug Companies need to be revamped as the Banking System. 2.The Bill is not even Finished!! Politics is controlling the push to stop the Bill before it is even Finished. No ONE knows what it will mean for who yet! There are over 1,000 pages in the first draft that even the Politicians have not read yet. The propaganda machine and fear mongers are out in full force! Depending on if you watch FOX NEWS or CNN as to even what Universal Health Care will mean in America; the MISinformation has already been swirling!>> This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/> > > stephanie>

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>I am not spouting off a political side although I lean toward one more than the other.

>I am relaying what I have read and decided for myself.

Sorry, Steph, but I have to disagree with you here. You are quoting the same rhetoric as others with your political persuasion. You have read what you were told to read and made your decision based on what you were told it meant.

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Well said.

I don't believe that insurance should be tied to employment and I believe that

for-profit insurance companies have opposing goals and cannot be objective. I am

tiring of the argument that a gov't option would dictate who we see, dictate

coverage, etc. when THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PRIVATE HEALTH

INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

Private, for-profit insurers are currently dictating who gets coverage, which

doctors they can see, what procedures and pharmaceuticals are covered and how

our care is administered. And we are paying a heavy price: Private insurers

operate at 30% overhead and Medicare, for example, operates at 3%.

My preference would be to have a single payer system but that's not on the

table. So what do I want? Options. For me and others.

I am self-employed so I purchase my health insurance on the free market. But I

have a pre-existing condition so my rated-up major medical policy costs me 28%

of my gross monthly income. I see an ND and other providers outside of the

allopathic system so I pay all of my medical expenses out of pocket. I have

never even made a claim on my insurance policy. But now that I'm over 50, I have

been forewarned that my premium will increase at my next renewal. FOR WHAT?

I don't want a handout. I want options. I want to be able to purchase a policy

that does the same thing my current policy does - provide catastrophic

protection - at a reasonable price and not be treated like a pariah. If a

free-market insurer offered that, I would jump. If a gov't option is more

attractive, I would definitely buy it.

But I do not see any difference in coverage that would be provided by a gov't

insurance plan and the current free-market options. Except price. Neither is

going to provide benefits outside the allopathic system and there will be

ceilings and limits to coverage. Same as it is now.

For all those opposed to a gov't health insurance option, I assume you will be

turning down Medicare at age 65 for the same reasons (gov't sponsored program,

limitations to your care, don't want charity, you can take care of yourself,

yada yada)?

Radar

>

> 1.  If you believe you are not paying for insurance now, you really need to

think again.  You are and you are being gouged by the current system.

>  

> 2.  You hemophiliac friend may have been treated by St. Judes but that will

end if it has not already when he turns 18.  St. Judes doesn't treat people

after the age of 18.  What then for him?  He has a pre-existing condition so no

insurance will cover that. 

>  

> 3.  Why should people be forced to turn to charity for health care?  St..

Judes does awsome things but no one should have to go beg for health care.. 

>  

> 4.  There are people in Michigan doing without prescriptions and without

medical care.  I know two of them.  Go to Detroit.  So, while... " no one is

turned down where I work " may be true, it would not be the norm.  Michigan is

hard hit and while there are lots of good people helping where they can, people

are falling between the cracks. 

>  

> 5.  No one is asking for free lunch.  I'm happy to pay increased taxes to

cover this program so I can have insurance.  I cannot get insurance any other

way with a pre-existing condition.  I was one of you who didn't want this when

I worked for a major corporation.  I didn't see or understand the need.  It

came with the job.  My attitude was, 'well, just get a job like I did.'

>  

> Well, the job market has changed.   Corporate and big business figured out

that hiring contract temps legitimized them not offering insurance and drove

their costs down.  Costs of insurance were crippling them.  So now, nearly every

job here is a contract position with no insurance benefits.  Engineers, business

analysts, HR specialists....all are contract positions and as such, offer no

benefits.  There has to be a cost effective solution that will serve this

population of people who want to work.  So, I for one will be happy to pay for

it through my taxes. 

>  

> Do your research, was right....companies USED benefits to lure

excellent employees....Past tense.  From The Employee Benefit Research

Institute, "

> Between 1994 and 2000, the percentage of the nonelderly population

> with employment-based coverage expanded. Since 2000, the percentage has

declined. "

>  

> 6.  The only way the government program will affect your existing insurance is

if you carrier decides to change their offering.  There is nothing on the table

talking about mandating existing programs to change.  There is no way the big

HMO interests would allow that.  Don't think for a minute they don't have the

clout to stop this if it steps on their wallet.  Those of you with good coverage

should rightfully keep it.  I am delighted you have good coverage you are happy

with.  No one that I've heard wants to take that away from you.  This is not a

case of strip everyone of what they have and one size fits all.  It is a case

of, let's fill in the gaps and provide coverage where there is none.

>  

> 7.  I'm glad you have a church you are happy with.  I personally do not want

to go to my spiritual leaders and beg for medical care.  You get to make that

choice for yourself.  Just like you don't want forced to go to the government

program for health care, extend me the courtesy of not having to go through a

church to get mine.  What about the millions who don't go to church?  Do those

people not have any option?

>  

> 8.  With all due respect to Dr. Brownstein, how can he possibly know what

would be required when there is no bill?  There are about twelve bills floating

around and all are different and all are still being formulated.  THE bill

doesn't even exist.  He cannot know what will happen.

>

> Respectfully,

>  

> Tressler

> Healthy Transitions Life Coaching

> 541-791-1464

>

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[Guest guest]

You don't know what I have read. I respectfully disagree.

Steph

Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

>I am not spouting off a political side although I lean toward one more than the other.

>I am relaying what I have read and decided for myself.

Sorry, Steph, but I have to disagree with you here. You are quoting the same rhetoric as others with your political persuasion. You have read what you were told to read and made your decision based on what you were told it meant.

[Guest guest]

True, there is no bill yet. What I propose for now is that we each research the propsed bill and options. Put together an ideal list, ( singl payer) and then we can each send in letters to our congressmen and senators to get thme to include the best policies. Since we are a health care e-mail list, we have each had our experiences with doctors and treatments, so we know what's going on from a practical perspective.

Let's do it.

This is way too important for the Republicas to screw up and the Democrats to be so spineless. We need to get a good plan. Don't worry about taxes because the financial crisis has already taken care of that.

Jag

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!iodine Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:32 AM

That is very true. When they come home we need to voice our concerns / opinions and desires to them. I am not spouting off a political side although I lean toward one more than the other. I am relaying what I have read and decided for myself.

Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

By seeing people's comments to this topic, it is very easy to spot who is a Republican and who is a Democrat, so that makes it a political discussion. The Republican's are spouting what other Republicans have said and the Democrats are spouting what Democrats have said. Few people who have responded are free thinkers.

Bottom line is that THERE IS NOT A BILL yet. If you have issues, talk to your Representative and let them know what you want. That probably won't change anything, because they all do what they want to anyway and follow their party line, but it is the only way to even hope to change anything. Arguing about it here is not going to solve anything.

[Guest guest]

I'm a libertarian. Just sayin'

Politics governs our life. Like it ornot. You have freedom only if the gov says you can. They took Tryptophan off the market for years. They are trying to get B6 off for a drug co.

There is talk now of putting the military on our streets to "help" with "swine flu pandemic". Really? This is freedom in the US? Not my idea.Nonie

By seeing people's comments to this topic, it is very easy to spot who is a Republican and who is a Democrat, so that makes it a political discussion. The Republican's are spouting what other Republicans have said and the Democrats are spouting what Democrats have said. Few people who have responded are free thinkers.

Bottom line is that THERE IS NOT A BILL yet. If you have issues, talk to your Representative and let them know what you want. That probably won't change anything, because they all do what they want to anyway and follow their party line, but it is the only way to even hope to change anything. Arguing about it here is not going to solve anything.

[Guest guest]

I work with a girl who had scoliosis and required surgery with no means to pay. They did the surgery and follow up care and scheduled everything very carefully to ensure that she had her last follow up the day before she turned 21 (I was wrong, it's not 18, it's 21). The reason they gave her for pushing things so hard and fast is because once she turned 21 they would not be able to give follow up care, physical therapy, or other care so they needed to identify and address any potential issues before she turned 21.

Her surgery and follow up care was excellent and she is good now though some flexibility issues. They do marvelous work....

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[Guest guest]

Since you knoiw nothing about us, kindly be polite. I have no interest in medicare. I do not do toxic. No, not interested in poison. I hardly think medicare is charity. Not when I pay thru the nose in taxes. But, I do not want some bozo pencil pusher telling me what I can or cannot do. A democracy, right? Oh, wait. Not a democracy at all. A Republic.Nonie > For all those opposed to a gov't health insurance option, I assume you will be turning down Medicare at age 65 for the same reasons (gov't sponsored program, limitations to your care, don't want charity, you can take care of yourself, yada yada)? > > Radar >

[Guest guest]

when you pay for 40 years by paying social security and taxes, medicare ain't a freebie and it ain't no charity. people are permitted their opinions, whether they differ from most, all, or none. we may not all agree, but we are all allowed our opinions. please keep that in mind. diane, near philly, pa > For all those opposed to a gov't health insurance option, I assume you will be turning down Medicare at age 65 for the same reasons (gov't sponsored program, limitations to your care, don't want charity, you can take care of yourself, yada yada)? > > Radar >