Re: I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long

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Thanks for the information

Dennis Dvorak NMD

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iodine

Subject: Re: Re: I need some encouragement -sorry this is so

long

In a message dated 6/25/2008 5:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, drdvorak@... writes:

On another

chat site, I’m having a discussion with several practitioners about GMO,

gluten, etc.. Your statement: “It is probably GMO wheat which means the gluten

content is VERY high which is hard on your bodyâ€, of interest, because we are

trying to determine why it is hard on the body. So far we have reason that

gluten is a protein, and therefore soluble in stomach acid, and by inference

should be in an assimilable form once it reaches the small intestine. We

started out with the premise that week is problematic for a lot of people, and

further that they are having a histimic reaction to it. I would be interested

in any research or documents that you might have regarding what you said. We do

believe it relates to thyroid function, and that is part of the basis of the

inquiry.

Thanks for

your help.

Dennis

Dvorak NMD

You may want to check out the

website of Dr. Hoffman and/or contact him via email at his

website. He also has a popular radio show as well. I went to

see him once and he mentioned that sometimes those with Hashis have problems

with gluten and dairy and that omitting those items from the diet will often

result in a lowering or normalizing of thyroid antibodies. He does not

advocate a one size fits all approach to diet and in fact, for autoimmune

issues, he recommends a hunter-gather pre-neolithic diet -- ie organic animal

protein, veggies, nuts, small amounts of fruit. No dairy, no grains, no

sugar. But he advocates entirely different dietary regimes for

others. So it's never a one size fits all approach and I think that makes

the most sense. I know vegetarians that feel healthy, but such a diet

nearly killed me. Little did I know that my veggie diet loaded with soy,

cruciferous veggies and other potent thyroid disrupters was aggravating my

then-undiagnosed hypothyroidism. Dr. Hoffman himself used to be

a vegetarian when he was younger but now incorporates more animal protein in

his diet. Anyway,cutting wheat especially and all gluten grains in

general seems to help hypothyroids lose weight.

Dr. Hoffman - The

Hoffman Center - WOR Radio's Health Talk

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REgarding this wheat issue, I was under the 'impression' that once I lost my thryoid, my wheat allergy did not matter.

From what you are saying, it sounds like it does not matter, thryoid or not..??

I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi all,>> > > > >> > > > I am on day 9 of supplementing with 25mg Iodoral. The results> of my>> > > > loading test are not back yet. I have had fibro/chronic> fatigue for>> > > > ten years, and have recently found the source of fibro pain to>> be msg>> > > > and aspartame. So I have eliminated those from my diet and>> thankfully,>> > > > now stay pain free. This fatigue and muscle weakness is getting>> > > >

discouraging, though. Until I eliminated Mountain Dew (yeah,>> bromine!)>> > > > from my diet two months ago, I didn't realize just how fatigued>> I am.>> > > > It's getting so bad that I don't want to get out of bed at all,>> and I>> > > > have no real excitement about doing anything.. My dear husband is>> > > > hanging in there marvelously, and is also hopeful that we have> found>> > > > the answer or partial answer in iodine supplementation. (found>> through>> > > > the fibromyalgia research group website..)>> > > > >> > > > I figure I am going through bromine detox at this point which is>> maybe>> > > > why I feel even more fatigued, weak, and achy. (kinda depressed>> too) I>> > > > am

supplementing with Vit. C, Mg, sea salt loading, selenium,> multi>> > > > vitamin too. Maybe I need to increase the sea salt, as I have only>> > > > used 1/8 to 1/4 tsp a day. I just read today's post, through the>> > > > breast cancer choices link, about 1/2 tsp in a small glass of> water>> > > > followed by more plain water, etc. >> > > > >> > > > My primary care physician has no other ideas.. Says I am not>> > > > hypothyroid based upon my TSH (yeah, I know-all that proves is my>> > > > pituitary gland is working) and that there is no cure or>> treatment for>> > > > chronic fatigue. He says I should just enjoy my two or three>> Mountain>> > > > Dews a day and the energy that comes with it. I know that I>> can't

give>> > > > in to that. I have taken my basal temp and I am around 97, but> since>> > > > the iodine supplementation I am betting it's higher as I am> warmer..>> > > > >> > > > What should I do at this point. Just keep hanging in there? Other>> > > > suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone for posting their ideas on>> > > > salt loading. I have tried several, just haven't decided which I>> > > > prefer yet. I've been on a low salt diet for so many decades>> that I>> > > > think the real problem is that I am not used to salt!>> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >

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It's a gut issue not a thyroid one. Your intestines (Villi) are affected negatively and for most people it kicks up inflammation.

Steph

I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi all,>> > > > >> > > > I am on day 9 of supplementing with 25mg Iodoral. The results> of my>> > > > loading test are not back yet. I have had fibro/chronic> fatigue for>> > > > ten years, and have recently found the source of fibro pain to>> be msg>> > > > and aspartame. So I have eliminated those from my diet and>> thankfully,>> > > > now stay pain free. This fatigue and muscle weakness is getting>> > > > discouraging, though. Until I eliminated Mountain Dew (yeah,>> bromine!)>> > > > from my diet two months ago, I didn't realize just how fatigued>> I am.>> > > > It's getting so bad that I don't want to get out of bed at all,>> and I>> > > > have no real excitement about doing anything.. My dear husband is>> > > > hanging in there marvelously, and is also hopeful that we have> found>> > > > the answer or partial answer in iodine supplementation. (found>> through>> > > > the fibromyalgia research group website..)>> > > > >> > > > I figure I am going through bromine detox at this point which is>> maybe>> > > > why I feel even more fatigued, weak, and achy. (kinda depressed>> too) I>> > > > am supplementing with Vit. C, Mg, sea salt loading, selenium,> multi>> > > > vitamin too. Maybe I need to increase the sea salt, as I have only>> > > > used 1/8 to 1/4 tsp a day. I just read today's post, through the>> > > > breast cancer choices link, about 1/2 tsp in a small glass of> water>> > > > followed by more plain water, etc. >> > > > >> > > > My primary care physician has no other ideas.. Says I am not>> > > > hypothyroid based upon my TSH (yeah, I know-all that proves is my>> > > > pituitary gland is working) and that there is no cure or>> treatment for>> > > > chronic fatigue. He says I should just enjoy my two or three>> Mountain>> > > > Dews a day and the energy that comes with it. I know that I>> can't give>> > > > in to that. I have taken my basal temp and I am around 97, but> since>> > > > the iodine supplementation I am betting it's higher as I am> warmer..>> > > > >> > > > What should I do at this point. Just keep hanging in there? Other>> > > > suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone for posting their ideas on>> > > > salt loading. I have tried several, just haven't decided which I>> > > > prefer yet. I've been on a low salt diet for so many decades>> that I>> > > > think the real problem is that I am not used to salt!>> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >

[Guest guest]

This may sound odd to you,

but my naturopathic training of over seven years was largely devoid of training

related to thyroid function. This is not to say we did not study function and

interaction, and have an understanding of what the endocrine system does and

yada yada, but not of its extreme importance in the bodys function. My interest

was piqued, when I started to use to kelp to normalize readings in an energetic

test that I do on clients. Some of my clients just would not balance, and I

instinctively one day tried kelp to see what would happen. That changed my

outlook on thyroid function, because I then got more control of chaotic

imbalances when nothing else would help. This might be similar to what the

old-time MDs would do when nothing else worked. That was several years ago, but

I have been using kelp and dulse consistently to balance clients.

I stumbled on to this site,

because one of my clients who is very very sick, wanted my opinion of it. I

have taken an interest in this chat site is to learn more about thyroid

function, and I find the participants of it very interesting, because they

actually are going through thyroid dysfunction, and trying to address it. If you

perceive me to be an authority on thyroid function, I am not. Now that we’ve

had that discussion, let me scratch my head and see if I can make some

observations that may be helpful.

Regarding

“food allergies”, (and perhaps a myriad of other allergies) I have

found with clients that allergies are a symptom of an underlying condition.

When you have impaired digestion function (dysbiosis) which would include

everything in the aliementary canal from the mouth to the other end, when food

then is not properly digested, I believe it to go into the absorption section

of the aliementary canal, the small intestine, which may be compromised by

unhealthy bacteria, toxins, parasites, etc. and the small intestine says “what

the heck is this, I don’t recognize it, so I’m going to view it as

a foreign substance that’s not good for me and have a histimic reaction”.

One could make a joke and say that passing gas would be your small intestine

saying exactly that. On the other chat site that I alluded to, one of our

other premises that we were trying to prove or disprove was that GMO’s

may by their nature, have toxic effect on the body, because they have been

altered. Those may be two ways that the bodys digestive function may be skewed.

To answer your question, because

you do not have a thyroid, does not mean that you do not need the endocrine

function of the thyroid in your body. From the clients that I have had that

have had their thyroid removed, (first this may me want to scream, and then go

find the person responsible for it) they need more supplemental support

for their thyroid than someone that does have their thyroid. If you view the

said wheat as something that impairs digestion, for whatever reason, I would

say that the wheat allergy does indeed matter. Unfortunately, my view would be

that your system is compromised to start with, and introducing antigens further

drag you down.

Your thoughts?

Dennis Dvorak

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

Boal

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:15 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: I need some encouragement -sorry this is so

long

REgarding this wheat issue, I was under the 'impression' that once I lost my

thryoid, my wheat allergy did not matter.

From what you are saying, it sounds like it does not matter, thryoid or

not..??

I need some encouragement -sorry this

is so long

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi all,

>> > > >

>> > > > I am on day 9 of supplementing with 25mg Iodoral. The

results

> of my

>> > > > loading test are not back yet. I have had fibro/chronic

> fatigue for

>> > > > ten years, and have recently found the source of fibro

pain to

>> be msg

>> > > > and aspartame. So I have eliminated those from my diet

and

>> thankfully,

>> > > > now stay pain free. This fatigue and muscle weakness is

getting

>> > > > discouraging, though. Until I eliminated Mountain Dew

(yeah,

>> bromine!)

>> > > > from my diet two months ago, I didn't realize just how

fatigued

>> I am.

>> > > > It's getting so bad that I don't want to get out of bed

at all,

>> and I

>> > > > have no real excitement about doing anything.. My dear

husband is

>> > > > hanging in there marvelously, and is also hopeful that

we have

> found

>> > > > the answer or partial answer in iodine supplementation.

(found

>> through

>> > > > the fibromyalgia research group website..)

>> > > >

>> > > > I figure I am going through bromine detox at this point

which is

>> maybe

>> > > > why I feel even more fatigued, weak, and achy. (kinda

depressed

>> too) I

>> > > > am supplementing with Vit. C, Mg, sea salt loading,

selenium,

> multi

>> > > > vitamin too. Maybe I need to increase the sea salt, as

I have only

>> > > > used 1/8 to 1/4 tsp a day. I just read today's post,

through the

>> > > > breast cancer choices link, about 1/2 tsp in a small

glass of

> water

>> > > > followed by more plain water, etc.

>> > > >

>> > > > My primary care physician has no other ideas.. Says I

am not

>> > > > hypothyroid based upon my TSH (yeah, I know-all that

proves is my

>> > > > pituitary gland is working) and that there is no cure

or

>> treatment for

>> > > > chronic fatigue. He says I should just enjoy my two or

three

>> Mountain

>> > > > Dews a day and the energy that comes with it. I know

that I

>> can't give

>> > > > in to that. I have taken my basal temp and I am around

97, but

> since

>> > > > the iodine supplementation I am betting it's higher as

I am

> warmer..

>> > > >

>> > > > What should I do at this point. Just keep hanging in

there? Other

>> > > > suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone for posting

their ideas on

>> > > > salt loading. I have tried several, just haven't

decided which I

>> > > > prefer yet. I've been on a low salt diet for so many

decades

>> that I

>> > > > think the real problem is that I am not used to salt!

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

>

>

>

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After thinking about it, there really is no reason why the body would not react the same to it. Still kick up a 'histimine' reaction to the wheat.

I don't know why I would think that it does not matter since I lost my throid.. Sounds like a brain fog to me..

Thank you for the common sense response.

I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi all,>> > > > >> > > > I am on day 9 of supplementing with 25mg Iodoral. The results> of my>> > > > loading test are not back yet. I have had fibro/chronic> fatigue for>> > > > ten years, and have recently found the source of fibro pain to>> be msg>> > > > and aspartame. So I have eliminated those from my diet and>> thankfully,>> > > > now stay pain free. This fatigue and muscle weakness is getting>> > > >

discouraging, though. Until I eliminated Mountain Dew (yeah,>> bromine!)>> > > > from my diet two months ago, I didn't realize just how fatigued>> I am.>> > > > It's getting so bad that I don't want to get out of bed at all,>> and I>> > > > have no real excitement about doing anything.. My dear husband is>> > > > hanging in there marvelously, and is also hopeful that we have> found>> > > > the answer or partial answer in iodine supplementation. (found>> through>> > > > the fibromyalgia research group website...)>> > > > >> > > > I figure I am going through bromine detox at this point which is>> maybe>> > > > why I feel even more fatigued, weak, and achy. (kinda depressed>> too) I>> > > > am

supplementing with Vit. C, Mg, sea salt loading, selenium,> multi>> > > > vitamin too. Maybe I need to increase the sea salt, as I have only>> > > > used 1/8 to 1/4 tsp a day. I just read today's post, through the>> > > > breast cancer choices link, about 1/2 tsp in a small glass of> water>> > > > followed by more plain water, etc. >> > > > >> > > > My primary care physician has no other ideas... Says I am not>> > > > hypothyroid based upon my TSH (yeah, I know-all that proves is my>> > > > pituitary gland is working) and that there is no cure or>> treatment for>> > > > chronic fatigue. He says I should just enjoy my two or three>> Mountain>> > > > Dews a day and the energy that comes with it. I know that I>> can't

give>> > > > in to that. I have taken my basal temp and I am around 97, but> since>> > > > the iodine supplementation I am betting it's higher as I am> warmer..>> > > > >> > > > What should I do at this point. Just keep hanging in there? Other>> > > > suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone for posting their ideas on>> > > > salt loading. I have tried several, just haven't decided which I>> > > > prefer yet. I've been on a low salt diet for so many decades>> that I>> > > > think the real problem is that I am not used to salt!>> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dr Dvorak:

Do you use a dark field microscope in your practice.

Duke

iodine From: drdvorak@...Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:14:51 -0500Subject: RE: Re: I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long

This may sound odd to you, but my naturopathic training of over seven years was largely devoid of training related to thyroid function. This is not to say we did not study function and interaction, and have an understanding of what the endocrine system does and yada yada, but not of its extreme importance in the bodys function. My interest was piqued, when I started to use to kelp to normalize readings in an energetic test that I do on clients. Some of my clients just would not balance, and I instinctively one day tried kelp to see what would happen. That changed my outlook on thyroid function, because I then got more control of chaotic imbalances when nothing else would help. This might be similar to what the old-time MDs would do when nothing else worked. That was several years ago, but I have been using kelp and dulse consistently to balance clients.

I stumbled on to this site, because one of my clients who is very very sick, wanted my opinion of it. I have taken an interest in this chat site is to learn more about thyroid function, and I find the participants of it very interesting, because they actually are going through thyroid dysfunction, and trying to address it. If you perceive me to be an authority on thyroid function, I am not. Now that we’ve had that discussion, let me scratch my head and see if I can make some observations that may be helpful.

Regarding “food allergies”, (and perhaps a myriad of other allergies) I have found with clients that allergies are a symptom of an underlying condition. When you have impaired digestion function (dysbiosis) which would include everything in the aliementary canal from the mouth to the other end, when food then is not properly digested, I believe it to go into the absorption section of the aliementary canal, the small intestine, which may be compromised by unhealthy bacteria, toxins, parasites, etc. and the small intestine says “what the heck is this, I don’t recognize it, so I’m going to view it as a foreign substance that’s not good for me and have a histimic reaction”. One could make a joke and say that passing gas would be your small intestine saying exactly that. On the other chat site that I alluded to, one of our other premises that we were trying to prove or disprove was that GMO’s may by their nature, have toxic effect on the body, because they have been altered. Those may be two ways that the bodys digestive function may be skewed.

To answer your question, because you do not have a thyroid, does not mean that you do not need the endocrine function of the thyroid in your body. From the clients that I have had that have had their thyroid removed, (first this may me want to scream, and then go find the person responsible for it) they need more supplemental support for their thyroid than someone that does have their thyroid. If you view the said wheat as something that impairs digestion, for whatever reason, I would say that the wheat allergy does indeed matter. Unfortunately, my view would be that your system is compromised to start with, and introducing antigens further drag you down.

Your thoughts?

Dennis Dvorak

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of BoalSent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:15 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long

REgarding this wheat issue, I was under the 'impression' that once I lost my thryoid, my wheat allergy did not matter.

From what you are saying, it sounds like it does not matter, thryoid or not..??

I need some encouragement -sorry this is so long>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi all,>> > > > >> > > > I am on day 9 of supplementing with 25mg Iodoral. The results> of my>> > > > loading test are not back yet. I have had fibro/chronic> fatigue for>> > > > ten years, and have recently found the source of fibro pain to>> be msg>> > > > and aspartame. So I have eliminated those from my diet and>> thankfully,>> > > > now stay pain free. This fatigue and muscle weakness is getting>> > > > discouraging, though. Until I eliminated Mountain Dew (yeah,>> bromine!)>> > > > from my diet two months ago, I didn't realize just how fatigued>> I am.>> > > > It's getting so bad that I don't want to get out of bed at all,>> and I>> > > > have no real excitement about doing anything.. My dear husband is>> > > > hanging in there marvelously, and is also hopeful that we have> found>> > > > the answer or partial answer in iodine supplementation. (found>> through>> > > > the fibromyalgia research group website..)>> > > > >> > > > I figure I am going through bromine detox at this point which is>> maybe>> > > > why I feel even more fatigued, weak, and achy. (kinda depressed>> too) I>> > > > am supplementing with Vit. C, Mg, sea salt loading, selenium,> multi>> > > > vitamin too. Maybe I need to increase the sea salt, as I have only>> > > > used 1/8 to 1/4 tsp a day. I just read today's post, through the>> > > > breast cancer choices link, about 1/2 tsp in a small glass of> water>> > > > followed by more plain water, etc. >> > > > >> > > > My primary care physician has no other ideas.. Says I am not>> > > > hypothyroid based upon my TSH (yeah, I know-all that proves is my>> > > > pituitary gland is working) and that there is no cure or>> treatment for>> > > > chronic fatigue. He says I should just enjoy my two or three>> Mountain>> > > > Dews a day and the energy that comes with it. I know that I>> can't give>> > > > in to that. I have taken my basal temp and I am around 97, but> since>> > > > the iodine supplementation I am betting it's higher as I am> warmer..>> > > > >> > > > What should I do at this point. Just keep hanging in there? Other>> > > > suggestions. Thanks so much to everyone for posting their ideas on>> > > > salt loading. I have tried several, just haven't decided which I>> > > > prefer yet. I've been on a low salt diet for so many decades>> that I>> > > > think the real problem is that I am not used to salt!>> > > >>> > >>> >>>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >