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The following is the ingredient list from LEF's multi-vitamins which I pulled

off the LEF site

www.lef.org

You can also order the multi's without copper or without Naicin, although the

Naicin is non-inflammatory. They come in tablets (choke), capsules

(preferable), or powder (yuk). You will notice that there is the word " INFO "

in front of some of the compounds. If you want specific information on each

one, visit:

<http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/new_lifemix2.html>

The following are the ingredients in the capsules. Serving is 14

capsules/day, which we take in divided doses throughout the day with meals.

VEGETABLE COMPLEX

BetateneTM (d, salina) ( Henkel)(natural Beta Carotene with Mixed

Carotenoids10,000 IU

INFO Alpha-carotene (Pharmachem), 1,000 IU

INFO Beta-carotene (Roche), 5,000 IU

INFO Lycopene extract (1%) (tomato extract), 300 mg

INFO Broccoli (22:1 concentrate), 200 mg

INFO Cabbage (freeze dried), 500 mg

INFO Carrot powder, 200 mg

INFO Tomato powder, 200 mg

INFO Lutein extract (2.2%) (zeaxanthin 1.75 mg.), 700 mg

[Why not take a glass of a good vegetable juice or blend your own more palatable

mix or soup? Mel Siff]

ASCORBATE-CITRUS ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX

INFO Vitamin C (from calcium, magnesium and niacinamide ascorbate)

(Roche),1250 mg

INFO Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) (Roche), 1250 mg

INFO Ascorbyl palmitate (fat soluble) (Roche), 250 mg

INFO Acerola juice powder (natural Vitamin C), 300 mg

Citrus bioflavonoids, 250 mg

Hesperidin complex, 250 mg

Bromelain, 15 mg [Dose far too minuscule to do anything Better to eat a slice

or two of pineapple. Mel Siff]

HERBAL ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX

INFO Grape seed-skin extract (BioVin Full spectrum extract)84-93%

Proanthocyanidin Index/46% polyphenol3.5% anthocyanidin/463 ppm resveratrol,

50 mg

INFO Bilberry extract 25% anthocyanin (Chemco), 30 mg

INFO Milk thistle extract (98.5% silymarin), 50 mg

INFO Ginger Extract (5% gingerols), 200 mg

VITAMIN-MINERAL ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX

INFO Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol succinate), 400 IU [synthetic, virtually

useless - Mel Siff]

INFO Vitamin E (dL-alpha tocopherol acetate), 100 IU [DL form is useless - Mel

Siff]

Vitamin A, 5000 IU

INFO Selenium (selenate), 100 mcg

INFO Selenium (selenomethionine) (Nutri 21), 100 mcg

INFO Zinc (OptiZinc®), 20 mg

INFO Zinc (succinate), 15 mg

AMINO ACID ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX [useless if taken on a full stomach. Mel

Siff]

Taurine, 500 mg

INFO N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC), 600 mg

INFO L-lysine, 500 mg

INFO B COMPLEX

Vitamin B1 (thiamine HCL) (Roche), 125 mg

Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) (Roche), 50 mg

Vitamin B3 (niacinamide) (Roche), 100 mg

Vitamin B3 (niacin) (Roche), 75 mg

Vitamin B5 (calcium pantothenate) (Roche), 600 mg

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) (Roche), 100 mg

INFO Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin), 250 mcg

INFO Vitamin B12 (hydroxyl cobalamin), 250 mcg

INFO Vitamin B12 (ion exchange resin), 100 mcg

INFO PABA, 50 mg

Folate triglutamate, 800 mcg

INFO Biotin, 600 mcg

Trimethylglycine, 100 mg [Minute dose as an anti-homocysteine supplement. Mel

Siff]

GLYCOSYLATION INHIBITING COMPLEX

INFO Orthine alpha-kelp-glutarate, 500 mg

INFO Calcium pyruvate, 200 mg

MINERAL COMPLEX (Elemental/Total)

INFO Magnesium oxide, 342.0 mg/600 mg [Cheap, but very difficult to absorb -

useless. Mel Siff]

INFO Magnesium aspartate, 8.44 mg/100 mg [Dose far too minuscule. Mel Siff]

INFO Magnesium glycinate, 11.70 mg/100 mg [Dose far too minuscule. Mel Siff]

INFO Magnesium taurinate, 15.00 mg/100 mg [Dose far too minuscule. Mel Siff]

INFO Magnesium arginate, 6.00 mg/100 mg [Dose far too minuscule. Mel Siff]

Calcium stearate, 16.5 mg/250 mg [Dose minuscule and poorly absorbed. Mel

Siff]

Potassium aspartate, 11.4 mg/50 mg

Potassium chloride, 26.0 mg/49 mg

INFO Vitamin D3, 300 IU

INFO Chromium (ChromeMate®-niacin bound), 50 mcg

INFO Chromium (picolinate) (Nutr21), 50 mcg

Molybdenum (sodium molybdate), 125 mcg

Manganese (gluconate), 5 mg

Iodine (kelp), 10 mcg

CHOLINERGIC COMPLEX [A tablespoon of lecithin granules contains all of this at

a fraction of the cost. Mel Siff]

INFO Choline bitartrate, 500 mg

Phosphatidylcholine, 150 mg

Inositol, 250 mg

SECONDARY ANTIOXIDANTS [Research on this is equivocal. Mel Siff]

INFO Dilaurylthiodipropionate, 25 mg

INFO Thiodipropionic Acid, 25 mg

All Contents Copyright © 1995-2000 By The Life Extension Foundation

Sorry for such a long list, but I had to take this off a colored table and

this was the best I could do. We also use the " Booster "

<http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00441.html >

Supplement Facts: Serving size 1 softgel, Servings per container 100

Amount per softgel % Daily Value

VEGETABLE COMPLEX

Lycopene (from tomato extract) 10 mg *

Lutein (from marigold extract) 2.2 mg *

Alpha Carotene 1000 IU

Beta-Carotene (natural) 1000 IU

HERBAL ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX

Ginkgo biloba extract 24% (4.8 mg) 20 mg *

Ginkgoflavoglycosides 6% (1.2 mg)

Grape-seed powder extract 25 mg

Grape-seed skin powder extract 25 mg

VITAMIN-MINERAL ANTIOXIDANT COMPLEX

Gamma tocopherol 210 mg

Calcium (as calcium ascorbate) 10 mg 1% [Dose far too minuscule. Mel

Siff]

Vitamin C 90 mg 150%

(as calcium ascorbate, ascorbyl palmitate)

Vitamin E (as D-alpha tocopheryl) 72 IU 233%

Folic acid 800 mcg 200%

Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 500 mcg 10,000%

Selenium 200 mcg 285%

(as sodium selenate, selenomethionine, selenodigluthionine)

Natural Mixed Tocopherols 130 mg [Dose too small. Mel Siff]

*% Daily Value (DV) not established.

Other ingredients: gelatin, flaxseed oil, glycerine, purified water, yellow

beeswax, lecithin, carob color.

As Mel stated, I'm aware that some vitamins or minerals supposedly cancel each

other out or make absorption of one less effective. On the other hand, what

happens when we eat real food? I would personally have a terrible time trying

to take various supplements in this way and really wonder if it is absolutely

necessary for someone who eats a good diet and doesn't have some kind of

health problem. Life is just too short for that sort of thing and I'm anal

enough already! I assume that in cases where one ingredient may act on

another, that LEF has either accounted for this by volume or other means, and

if not, tough -- who wants to live to 100 anyway?!

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon, Venice, CA

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Whether or not capsules are preferable is debatable. Get an MSDS on

capsules and talk to some suppliers about the manufacturing process for

capsules. Tablets are ok if properly made and the

disintergration/dissolution studies are acceptable.

With all herbal extracts it is important to see a certificate of analysis.

Some extracts contain very high levels of residual solvents used in the

extraction process.

D-alpha tocopherol succinate is not considered a synthetic vitamin E. It is

bound to succinic acid so that it flows enough for encapsulation and

tableting. There is some evidence to indicate that the older you get the

less you are able to cleave off the succinate. This is thought to be due to

lower stomach HCl levels.

Calcium stearate is really not a calcium source but DSHEA says that it must

be listed. It is a flow agent.

Calcium must be sorted out according to DSHEA but calcium ascorbate is just

a vitamin C source.

Food alone would be ideal if the soils were better prepared so like Rosemary

and Mel, I have a cupboard full of stuff. Some of it well-researched, most

not but for the most part it is relatively harmless.

There is established synergistic vitamins and antagonistic supplements,

however unless you in need of nutrients manipulations at therapeutic levels,

forget about it.

Keep it simple. A good multi vitamin mineral with A, C, E, all the

B-complex and adequate amounts of minerals and trace minerals. Supplement

with some good quality herbs now and again. Along with the optimal diet of

your choice, you can reasonably cover your bases.

Brett

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I have grown so weary and discouraged with the many hours of trying to put

together a do it yourself care plan. I soooo appreciate the wisdom and combined

knowledge from all of you who contribute. Would it be possible for those of you

who have settled on a particular form and or brand of vitamin/supplement to

email me off list with what you have found? I would be so appreciative. I have

hashi's and have been following the iodine protocol for 5 months. I have worked

up to 62.5mg Iodoral. Thank you in advance for your help.

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I like the following:

Biotics Research

Pure Encapsulations

Vitamin Research Products www.vrp.com

Use www.froogle.com to search for the other two brands.

Steph

supplement recommendations

I have grown so weary and discouraged with the many hours of trying to put together a do it yourself care plan. I soooo appreciate the wisdom and combined knowledge from all of you who contribute. Would it be possible for those of you who have settled on a particular form and or brand of vitamin/supplement to email me off list with what you have found? I would be so appreciative. I have hashi's and have been following the iodine protocol for 5 months. I have worked up to 62.5mg Iodoral. Thank you in advance for your help.

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What exactly is the iodine protocol? I'm going to be starting this for five

people and would like to know.

Pamela

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> I have grown so weary and discouraged with the many hours of trying to put

together a do it yourself care plan. I soooo appreciate the wisdom and combined

knowledge from all of you who contribute...I have hashi's and have been

following the iodine protocol for 5 months.

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I put it at the bottom of this page http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/IodineSuppl.html It needs a correction though. You need the selenium - not optional.

Re: supplement recommendations

What exactly is the iodine protocol? I'm going to be starting this for five people and would like to know.Pamela>> I have grown so weary and discouraged with the many hours of trying to put together a do it yourself care plan. I soooo appreciate the wisdom and combined knowledge from all of you who contribute...I have hashi's and have been following the iodine protocol for 5 months.