Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Any documentation or studies of a scientific nature that speak to CFL off gassing? From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of cwahlin444 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:16 PM iodine Subject: Mercury and CFL bulbs wrote: > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean or > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that they give off mercury as a gas. I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular incandescent light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out by 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 Energy bill. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 LEDs & halogen are better. It is these toxic low energy lihgtbulbs that should be illegal!! Adrienne. > > > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean or > > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > > > > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that they > > give off mercury as a gas. > > > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular incandescent > > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out by > > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 > > Energy bill. > > > > Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 When the CFLs were being given away and offered in stores so cheaply and touted so strongly, I knew something was amiss! Now we are beginning to find out about the mercury and now as you say other things.....I would talk about this with friends and they would roll their eyes about it. It is good to know others think like me and have the same :)straight thinking! Reminds me of MTBE.sorry off topic, but had to speakFrom: adrienneobbard <adrienneobbard@...>Subject: Re: Mercury and CFL bulbsiodine Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:33 AM LEDs & halogen are better. It is these toxic low energy lihgtbulbs that should be illegal!! Adrienne. > > > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean or > > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > > > > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that they > > give off mercury as a gas. > > > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular incandescent > > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out by > > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 > > Energy bill. > > > > Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I looked into this issue when I started replacing the bulbs around my house. Here's what Dr. Mercola says about the issue: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/17/home- depot-recycles-compact-fluorescent-bulbs.aspx > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean or > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that they > give off mercury as a gas. > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular incandescent > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out by > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 > Energy bill. > > Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I went to the URL, which said that page was unavailable. I then tried to do a CFL search on Mercola, which then fostered a pop-up requiring me to volunteer and e-mail so that I can have access to his site. This I did not want to do, as I have had bad experiences with this individual in the past. My query was predicated by the fact that it does not make sense that mercury could exude from a hermetically sealed environment. If that were not the situation with this or any other florescent apparatus, once oxygen entered the environment, the filament and or other materials that actually produce a light, would degrade rather rapidly. If you have a way of pasting the actual article that might relate to off gassing even from this source, I would still be interested. As it is on the fringe of what might be considered an iodine topic, perhaps it would be better addressed off-site if you should so choose. Thanks for the input. Dennis Dvorak From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of hopecross77 Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:25 PM iodine Subject: Re: Mercury and CFL bulbs I looked into this issue when I started replacing the bulbs around my house. Here's what Dr. Mercola says about the issue: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/17/home- depot-recycles-compact-fluorescent-bulbs.aspx > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean or > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that they > give off mercury as a gas. > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular incandescent > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out by > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 > Energy bill. > > Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Sure, no problem. One would have to copy and paste the whole link, just as you tried. The email thing is new to me too. I had to enter my email for the first time today where as I have not had to before. I would like to know what bad experiences you have had with Mercola, if you would be so kind to share. I always like to be educated. Thanks. Here is the article: Hard as it may be to believe, one of your most common household items will shortly be outlawed: the incandescent light bulb. Earlier this year, U.S. Congress passed a bill that will put an end to their use by 2014, although recent news indicate that some members of Congress are having second thoughts, and questioning the constitutionality of their decision. But as it stands right now, starting in 2012 it will actually be against the law to sell regular incandescent light bulbs. The U.S. is not alone in this decision. Australia, Italy, and the Philippines are also banning sales of incandescent light bulbs by 2010. Many question the reasoning behind this radical decision, but once you begin to look at the overall benefits of making this switch, I believe most will come to agree it's actually a step in the right direction, with more benefits than drawbacks. CFL Bulbs = More Money in Your Pocket For starters, incandescent light bulbs are extreme energy hogs, using about 3,600 KWh over 60,000 hours worth of use, compared to 840 KWh for a compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL). Translated into money, the CFL bulb can save you as much as $630 on your electric bill over 60,000 hours of use. But not only that; although CFL bulbs cost more initially, once you take into account that an incandescent bulb has a lifespan of just 1,500 hours, compared to 10,000 hours for a CFL, you have to purchase an average of 6.5 incandescent bulbs for each CFL, which makes buying CFLs less expensive in the long run. If you want to further review and compare the benefits and drawbacks between incandescent bulbs and CFLs, as well as LED (light-emitting diodes) bulbs, productdose.com offers a great light bulb comparison spreadsheet that you can print out. CFL Bulbs = Significant Environmental Benefits Now, there's been some arguments going around about CFLs having a detrimental impact on the environment, so I want to make sure to address and clarify that issue. As an example, one of my readers expressed her dismay in Vital Votes in a previous article I wrote about mercury, stating, " I wish Dr. Mercola would acknowledge that he sells light bulbs that contain mercury in amounts that DWARF a typical vaccine by 200 times. I have repeatedly asked this site to address this problem and warn their customers. If broken in a home the level of exposure is in MILLIGRAM amounts. The most noxious single spill amalgam excretes approximately 20 mcg per day, thus acute toxicity from a broken light bulb is a real issue. Additionally most people simply discard these bulbs to go to the local landfill further contaminating our environment. " Although I replied to the post personally at the time, let me expound on and clarify all those issues again here. Mercury Exposure from CFL Bulbs – First let me say that, yes, CFL bulbs do contain anywhere between 1.4 to 4 milligrams of mercury. (As a way of comparison, an old-fashioned thermometer contains approximately 500 milligrams.) However, people do not eat or inject fluorescent light bulbs. This may seem obvious and beside the point, but it needs to be stated that the mercury inside the CFL bulb poses zero health risk as long as the bulb is not broken. Naturally, if you accidentally smash one open, you will be exposed to a small amount of mercury, just as you would if you were to break an old thermometer, so common sense would dictate that you'll want to install and uninstall them in a safe manner to avoid an accident. For instructions on what to do if you were to break a bulb, please review, print out, and keep this EnergyStar fact sheet handy. Technology is getting better, however. According to EnergyStar, the mercury content of the average CFL bulb has dropped 20 percent in the last year alone, and as I'll tell you shortly, there may be even better options on the horizon. Mercola Selling Mercury -- Secondly – and this refers to my selling of mercury-containing CFL light bulbs specifically -- ALL fluorescent bulbs contain mercury. That is simply how they work, at least at the present time. I can guarantee you I will switch over to mercury-free bulbs as soon as they become a viable and available option, which is in fact already in the works. My team has been in research and development for over two years to produce a COST EFFECTIVE alternative LED bulb (which, by the way, radically reduces energy consumption even further than CFLs) and contains zero mercury. LED bulbs are clearly the bulb of the future. Unfortunately, this technology is still far too expensive. Each bulb would cost well over $50, and most likely closer to $100. The other challenge is to produce an LED bulb that has a similar beneficial wavelength as the full spectrum bulbs we currently sell. However, I'm confident that this will all change in the near future, and when it does, you will be the first ones to find out about it as I will offer it here on my site. In the meantime, I am convinced that the full-spectrum CFL bulbs I currently offer are the healthiest and most cost effective form of artificial lighting available anywhere today. Environmental Mercury Emissions -- Last but not least, the MOST significant issue many people fail to appreciate is that because CFL bulbs reduce energy consumption by as much as 75 percent, they also vastly reduce coal burning, which is THE most common source of energy production in the U.S., which currently deposits 104 METRIC TONS of mercury into the air, each and every year! So by reducing the total energy consumption with these bulbs, the overall environmental mercury burden is significantly lowered. To give you another example of the drastically reduced mercury emissions that can be accomplished by switching to CFLs; according to EnergyStar calculations, if ALL 290 million CFL light bulbs sold during 2007 were broken and sent to a landfill instead of being recycled, they would release 0.13 metric tons of mercury into the environment. That worst case scenario -- if EVERY bulb sold in the U.S. last year were broken -- the mercury in the environment is still a mere fraction of the 104 metric tons of mercury emissions we're currently producing through our wasteful energy consumption. 1/10 of ONE metric ton versus over 100 tons. Folks, that is a 1,000 FOLD difference, even in a worst case scenario. Clearly, when you use these bulbs you will LOWER environmental mercury, and if you are cautious and responsible and return the bulbs to recycling centers like Home Depot, you can make that difference even more dramatic. Have a Conscience – Dispose of Your CFL Bulbs Responsibly Despite the fact that disposing of your CFLs into a landfill can still, comparatively speaking, reduce the overall environmental mercury load, I clearly would not recommend it. I think Home Depot has done us all a great service by taking charge of a vital component of this switch, by making sure that you have a way of complying without much hassle or expense. After all, they're the second largest retailer in the U.S., with store locations that are convenient to most. For those Americans who do not have access to a Home Depot, www.epa.gov/bulbrecycling and www.earth911.org can help you identify a local recycling facility. > > > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the ocean > or > > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the CFL > > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that > they > > give off mercury as a gas. > > > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular > incandescent > > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely out > by > > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the 2007 > > Energy bill. > > > > Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 thanks for the info > > > > > > > I have just returned from a Huggins clinic ... > > > > Some of the rules to this are: do not eat anything from the > ocean > > or > > > > sea etc. No sea salt, no fish or fish products, get rid of the > CFL > > > > light bulbs in your house as they off gas mercury. > > > > > > Now I knew CFL's had mercury in them, but I have not heard that > > they > > > give off mercury as a gas. > > > > > > I am also not sure how many Americans know that regular > > incandescent > > > light bulbs will be illegal starting in 2012, phased completely > out > > by > > > 2014, with the push to purchase CFL's. This was passed in the > 2007 > > > Energy bill. > > > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 The LED's price is going to be dropping dramatically. Actually the fluorescents used to be very expensive too. But LED's take far less electricity and resources, and last longer. And they are really difficult to break. It's just the technology is still ramping up. Right now they are made with sapphire, but the first ones are beginning to be made with cheaper materials. This reminds me of the hoopla over CRT monitors. Thing is, CRTs were always a bad idea on many levels (too big, too hard to produce, short lifespan). LED's took over fairly quickly once the technology was perfected. Now the CRTs are dinosaurs! Incandescents and fluorescents will be dinos too, right up there with your V8 player and vinyl records. Also on the horizon: cheap solar panels, made of plastic. To roof your house with. As far as mercury, I'd really doubt the mercury can escape the glass. A bigger issue, to me, and maybe more related to thyroid issues or iodine, would be how much light do we really need, anyway? There is some evidence that " light pollution " is a big problem for humans ... it disrupts our circadian rhythm. We massively light EVERYTHING and that affects your glands. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:33 AM, adrienneobbard <adrienneobbard@...> wrote: > LEDs & halogen are better. > It is these toxic low energy lihgtbulbs that should be illegal!! > Adrienne. > > >> >> In the news in UK this week is the fact that these bulbs trigger >> migraines, headaches and epilepsy. >> I myself am affected by these and fluorescent ones and had a >> horrendous migraine this week. >> Since I am hypersensitive to mercury I have always wondered if it is >> the mercury that affects me or the frequency os these lights. >> I also think that yeast overgrowth is connected with this as well as >> hypo t and iodine deficiency. Taking iodine has not helped my >> migraines - in fact I think it has made it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I can comment on this part of the issue. If I close my bedroom door and make sure my room is nice and dark, I dream all night long, (between hot flashes), and wake up completely, as soon as that little sliver of sunlight comes through my window, and in a way better mood. So I do believe light has an effect on some people at least. My husband says light doesn't keep him awake, but noise does. But I can see a huge difference in my sleep patterns and mood when my room is kept dark. (And this includes night lights and all these little green or red " running " lights on different appliances, and electronics.) -- Warmest Regards,Robin Little said: A bigger issue, to me, and maybe more related to thyroid issues or iodine, would be how much light do we really need, anyway? There is some evidence that " light pollution " is a big problem for humans ... it disrupts our circadian rhythm. We massively light EVERYTHING and that affects your glands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Even being able to see my fingers in front of my face is enough light to wake me up. So I wear a mask and look like a raccoon to stay asleep longer even though we have dark curtains. My husband can sleep with light on, noise and even sitting up. Having the mask and ear plugs was great on our last vacation when the alarm next door went off for over an hour at 3 am waking my husband. Pam On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Robin Little <robinlittle@...> wrote: I can comment on this part of the issue. If I close my bedroom door and make sure my room is nice and dark, I dream all night long, (between hot flashes), and wake up completely, as soon as that little sliver of sunlight comes through my window, and in a way better mood. So I do believe light has an effect on some people at least. My husband says light doesn't keep him awake, but noise does. But I can see a huge difference in my sleep patterns and mood when my room is kept dark. (And this includes night lights and all these little green or red " running " lights on different appliances, and electronics.) -- Warmest Regards,Robin Little said:A bigger issue, to me, and maybe more related to thyroid issuesor iodine, would be how much light do we really need, anyway?There is some evidence that " light pollution " is a big problem for humans ... it disrupts our circadian rhythm. We massivelylight EVERYTHING and that affects your glands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 A few years ago they were talking about studies that showed that young children who slept in rooms with nightlights on all night did not have proper eye development, and needed interventions early. Donna in IL said: A bigger issue, to me, and maybe more related to thyroid issues or iodine, would be how much light do we really need, anyway? There is some evidence that " light pollution " is a big problem for humans ... it disrupts our circadian rhythm. We massively light EVERYTHING and that affects your glands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I lived a long time in the arctic, Barrow, Alaska, it is light all summer, the sun never sets. I worked in eyecare and have never noticed children not having proper eye development and in need of early interventions due to light when sleeping. If that were so, almost every child in the arctic would need some sort of early intervention and that just isn't the case. There seem to be a lot of studies that show what the people ordering the studies want to find, not necessarily the truth. > > A few years ago they were talking about studies that showed that young > children who slept in rooms with nightlights on all night did not have > proper eye development, and needed interventions early. > > > > Donna in IL > > > said: > A bigger issue, to me, and maybe more related to thyroid issues > or iodine, would be how much light do we really need, anyway? > There is some evidence that " light pollution " is a big problem > for humans ... it disrupts our circadian rhythm. We massively > light EVERYTHING and that affects your glands. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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