Re: Fibromyalgia and Elevated CRP

[Guest guest]

that is more artheritis.looks at fungus,candida and leaky gut.

>

> Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated CRP

(which

> notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my joint soreness

might

> be fibromyalgia.

>

> Thanks

> Norma

>

[Guest guest]

CRP can be elevated due to gum disease, as well as a number of other illnesses.

FMS/CFS

is not one of them. 85% of adults with fms/cfs have IBS however. It's also

common for

fibromyalgics to have low ferritin and IGF-1 and elevated ANA.

Have you had your thyroid hormones tested to rule out hypothyroidism which can

also

cause joint pain?

Janet

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> Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated CRP (which

> notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my joint soreness might

> be fibromyalgia.

>

> Thanks

> Norma

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that Fibromyalgia is simply low

thyroid that has gotten out of control, so does Dr. Hotze and he works with

Suzanne Somers

Watch this first Video:

http://www.hotzehwc.com/en/cms/?1675

Mia

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7:37 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

and Elevated CRP

CRP can be elevated due to gum disease, as well as a number of other

illnesses. FMS/CFS

is not one of them. 85% of adults with fms/cfs have IBS however. It's also

common for

fibromyalgics to have low ferritin and IGF-1 and elevated ANA.

Have you had your thyroid hormones tested to rule out hypothyroidism which can

also

cause joint pain?

Janet

[Guest guest]

Inflamation is not a part of FM/CFS but is a part of arthritis including Rheumatoid Arthritis if you are have paired joint pain or finger pain. Inflamation from RA for me dropped rapidly by eliminating the nightshade vegetables which are bell peppers, regular potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant and pimentoes. Inflamation is also a factor in heart disease and other illnesses like gum disease and blood clots. Pam

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Norma <jenaroman@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated CRP (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my joint soreness might be fibromyalgia.ThanksNorma

[Guest guest]

What makes you say that inflammation is not a part of

fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue?

-- In iodine , " Pamela Valley " <2007pams@...> wrote:

>

> Inflamation is not a part of FM/CFS but is a part of arthritis

including

> Rheumatoid Arthritis if you are have paired joint pain or finger

pain.

> Inflamation from RA for me dropped rapidly by eliminating the

nightshade

> vegetables which are bell peppers, regular potatoes, tomatoes,

eggplant and

> pimentoes. Inflamation is also a factor in heart disease and other

illnesses

> like gum disease and blood clots. Pam

>

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Norma <jenaroman@...> wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated

CRP

> > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my

joint soreness

> > might be fibromyalgia.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Norma

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In fibromyalgia, lab tests are typically normal — including ESR and

CRP levels.

www.mayoclinic.com/health/fibromyalgia/AN01891 - 24k

for fibromyalgia you must check good thyroid.

for cfs and fibromyalgia you can loog at low dose naltrexone.

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> > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and

elevated

> CRP

> > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my

> joint soreness

> > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Norma

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you mean that CRP levels are usually normal with fibromyalgia,

but that doesn't mean there isn't any inflammation. Inflammation is

pain, and maybe different types of inflammation do not show up as

high levels of CRP. I even saw a site that said that CRP tests may

show low levels in RA and Lupus, but there still can be inflammation.

Even if fibromyalgia does mean that you have low thyroid, that

doesn't rule out inflammation, either. Maybe low thyroid actually

means that one will be more prone to inflammation.

-- In iodine , " zahavi " <zahavi100@...> wrote:

>

> In fibromyalgia, lab tests are typically normal — including ESR

and

> CRP levels.

> www.mayoclinic.com/health/fibromyalgia/AN01891 - 24k

>

> for fibromyalgia you must check good thyroid.

>

> for cfs and fibromyalgia you can loog at low dose naltrexone.

>

>

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> > >

> > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and

> elevated

> > CRP

> > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my

> > joint soreness

> > > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Norma

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

inflamtion is inflamtion and pain is pain therefore they never give

in fibromyalgia anti inflamtory medecines.if your thyroid is ok then

look at low dose naltrexone.people with fybromyalgia got with it

relieve of pains.

> > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and

> > elevated

> > > CRP

> > > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if

my

> > > joint soreness

> > > > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Norma

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have FM and after I healed the rheumatoid arthritis, I have no inflamation in my blood. The endocrinologist doctor(Dr. St. Amand) and my other doctors all state that blood tests and other tests are normal with FM/CFS. Whatever factor like a cytokines that causes the effect of inflamation is not indicated on blood tests at this point. My spit is part of a genetic study and the doctor said that there are 25 or so cytokines involved. Some are protective and some cause inflamation but do not raise the factor in typical blood tests. There are 3 genes that they currently suspect. There are 600 FM patients and their parents being studied.

FM patients have lumps in their muscles and ligaments that cause the pain. I had 78 lumps and was told in worst 10% 2 years ago. I felt then like ran over by a bus daily and had IBS, fibrofog, exhaustion, adrenal/thyroid issues and pain in 18-20 spots at a time with charley horses and migraines daily.

I am now at less than 33 lumps and considered in middle of FMers and far more functional and tolerable pain these days with many good days.I interviewed for a full time job but with 2 years off work, didn't get that.

The guaifenesin protocol by Dr. St. Amand is working for me. His gene study is indicating that the cytokines are involved and some are protective as we heal up using guaifenesin. It is early days to figure out why it works but just glad that it does work.

Hope this helps to answer your questions. Pam

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM, violeta099 <elizabethswope@...> wrote:

What makes you say that inflammation is not a part of fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue?

-- In iodine , " Pamela Valley " <2007pams@...> wrote:>> Inflamation is not a part of FM/CFS but is a part of arthritis

including> Rheumatoid Arthritis if you are have paired joint pain or finger pain.> Inflamation from RA for me dropped rapidly by eliminating the nightshade> vegetables which are bell peppers, regular potatoes, tomatoes,

eggplant and> pimentoes. Inflamation is also a factor in heart disease and other illnesses> like gum disease and blood clots. Pam>

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Norma <jenaroman@...> wrote:> > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated CRP> > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my

joint soreness> > might be fibromyalgia.> >> > Thanks> > Norma > > > >>

[Guest guest]

How have you healed your Rheumatoid Arthritis?

Thanks,

Betsy

-- In iodine , " Pamela Valley " <2007pams@...> wrote:

>

> I have FM and after I healed the rheumatoid arthritis, I have no

inflamation

> in my blood. The endocrinologist doctor(Dr. St. Amand) and my other

doctors

> all state that blood tests and other tests are normal with FM/CFS.

Whatever

> factor like a cytokines that causes the effect of inflamation is not

> indicated on blood tests at this point. My spit is part of a

genetic study

> and the doctor said that there are 25 or so cytokines involved.

Some are

> protective and some cause inflamation but do not raise the factor in

> typical blood tests. There are 3 genes that they currently suspect.

There

> are 600 FM patients and their parents being studied.

>

> FM patients have lumps in their muscles and ligaments that cause

the pain. I

> had 78 lumps and was told in worst 10% 2 years ago. I felt then

like ran

> over by a bus daily and had IBS, fibrofog, exhaustion,

adrenal/thyroid

> issues and pain in 18-20 spots at a time with charley horses and

migraines

> daily.

>

> I am now at less than 33 lumps and considered in middle of FMers

and far

> more functional and tolerable pain these days with many good days.I

> interviewed for a full time job but with 2 years off work, didn't

get that.

>

> The guaifenesin protocol by Dr. St. Amand is working for me. His

gene study

> is indicating that the cytokines are involved and some are

protective as we

> heal up using guaifenesin. It is early days to figure out why it

works but

> just glad that it does work.

>

> Hope this helps to answer your questions. Pam

>

> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM, violeta099

<elizabethswope@...>wrote:

>

> > What makes you say that inflammation is not a part of

> > fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue?

> >

> > -- In iodine <iodine%40>, " Pamela

Valley "

> > <2007pams@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Inflamation is not a part of FM/CFS but is a part of arthritis

> > including

> > > Rheumatoid Arthritis if you are have paired joint pain or finger

> > pain.

> > > Inflamation from RA for me dropped rapidly by eliminating the

> > nightshade

> > > vegetables which are bell peppers, regular potatoes, tomatoes,

> > eggplant and

> > > pimentoes. Inflamation is also a factor in heart disease and

other

> > illnesses

> > > like gum disease and blood clots. Pam

> > >

> > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Norma <jenaroman@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated

> > CRP

> > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my

> > joint soreness

> > > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Norma

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Betsy,

My RA impacted the joints in both hands with intense pain where punching a radio button caused tears and most tasks were painful.There is book called Rheumatoid Arthritis, the infection connection by Kathleen Poehlmann. She describes a doctor in the 1950's who before his death from stomach cancer healed thousands of patients with minocin like tetracycline.

I took minocin MWF the brand name version for 18 months and was retested with no damage and no more signs of it in the blood. I also used information from the mercola website.

My cousin's wife has kept her RA at bay by avoiding the nightshade vegetables of tomatoes, potatoes, bell peppers, eggplant and pimentoes. She has had RA in her huge knuckled finger for 40 years but no more new symptoms and seems to tolerate one small portion of tomatoes weekly these days.

Diet also plays a role so went on HG diet by Dr. ST. Amand which is low carb type diet and healed my almost diabetes back to normal again. They now consider blood tests over 98 to be diabetes so would have been labeled that because scored 143 and 104 and so on.

Iodine also seems to speed up the healing of FM with guaifenesin. Clearing the muscle lumps that cause the pain of FM seems to happen more quickly on iodine or iodoral.

Pam

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, violeta099 <elizabethswope@...> wrote:

How have you healed your Rheumatoid Arthritis?Thanks,Betsy -- In iodine , " Pamela Valley " <2007pams@...> wrote:>

> I have FM and after I healed the rheumatoid arthritis, I have no inflamation> in my blood. The endocrinologist doctor(Dr. St. Amand) and my other doctors> all state that blood tests and other tests are normal with FM/CFS.

Whatever> factor like a cytokines that causes the effect of inflamation is not> indicated on blood tests at this point. My spit is part of a genetic study> and the doctor said that there are 25 or so cytokines involved.

Some are> protective and some cause inflamation but do not raise the factor in> typical blood tests. There are 3 genes that they currently suspect. There> are 600 FM patients and their parents being studied.

> > FM patients have lumps in their muscles and ligaments that cause the pain. I> had 78 lumps and was told in worst 10% 2 years ago. I felt then like ran> over by a bus daily and had IBS, fibrofog, exhaustion,

adrenal/thyroid> issues and pain in 18-20 spots at a time with charley horses and migraines> daily.> > I am now at less than 33 lumps and considered in middle of FMers and far> more functional and tolerable pain these days with many good days.I

> interviewed for a full time job but with 2 years off work, didn't get that.> > The guaifenesin protocol by Dr. St. Amand is working for me. His gene study> is indicating that the cytokines are involved and some are

protective as we> heal up using guaifenesin. It is early days to figure out why it works but> just glad that it does work.> > Hope this helps to answer your questions. Pam> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM, violeta099

<elizabethswope@...>wrote: > > > What makes you say that inflammation is not a part of> > fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue?> >> > -- In iodine <iodine%40>, " Pamela

Valley " > > <2007pams@> wrote:> > >> > > Inflamation is not a part of FM/CFS but is a part of arthritis> > including> > > Rheumatoid Arthritis if you are have paired joint pain or finger

> > pain.> > > Inflamation from RA for me dropped rapidly by eliminating the> > nightshade> > > vegetables which are bell peppers, regular potatoes, tomatoes,> > eggplant and

> > > pimentoes. Inflamation is also a factor in heart disease and other> > illnesses> > > like gum disease and blood clots. Pam> > >> > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Norma <jenaroman@>

wrote:> > >> > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated> > CRP> > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my> > joint soreness

> > > > might be fibromyalgia.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Norma > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >

> >>

[Guest guest]

What are the muscle lumps that come from FM? Could they be the same

as trigger points? (hard lumps that are stingingly painful when you

press on them) I have bunches of them in my legs and my massage

therapist worked on them a lot but it hurts a lot. I'm looking for a

way to try to get them to go away.

I recently started taking kelp and now 2 - 3 drops of 2% Lugol's per

day. Trying to start slow.

Thanks!

Laurel

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> > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and

elevated

> > > > CRP

> > > > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if

my

> > > > joint soreness

> > > > > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Norma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I would take more Lugol's and stop the kelp if it were me. kelp is toxic with arsenic and other toxic metals

Re: Fibromyalgia and Elevated CRP

What are the muscle lumps that come from FM? Could they be the same as trigger points? (hard lumps that are stingingly painful when you press on them) I have bunches of them in my legs and my massage therapist worked on them a lot but it hurts a lot. I'm looking for a way to try to get them to go away.I recently started taking kelp and now 2 - 3 drops of 2% Lugol's per day. Trying to start slow.Thanks!Laurel> > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and elevated> > > > CRP> > > > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if my> > > > joint soreness> > > > > > might be fibromyalgia.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Norma > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Laurel

Trigger points and the areas of lumps/hard knots are not the same. Fibromyalgics

have

the trigger points, however, the lumps and hard knots are the areas of excess

phosphate

accumulation. Phosphate is not allowed to accumulate in the bloodstream, so

phosphate is

ultimately driven into cells. Water and calcium have to enter with it to keep

proper

dilutions. This action causes the hard spots on the body that can be felt as

well as causing

a lot of pain.

When one reverses fibro with Dr St Amand's guaifenesin protocol the lumps and

hard

knots go away, as the excess phosphate is pushed out of the body. St Amand

remaps his

patients over time to make sure they are clearing.

Janet

> What are the muscle lumps that come from FM? Could they be the same

> as trigger points? (hard lumps that are stingingly painful when you

> press on them) I have bunches of them in my legs and my massage

> therapist worked on them a lot but it hurts a lot. I'm looking for a

> way to try to get them to go away.

>

> I recently started taking kelp and now 2 - 3 drops of 2% Lugol's per

> day. Trying to start slow.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Laurel

>

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> > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a link between fibro and

> elevated

> > > > > CRP

> > > > > > > (which notes inflammation)? I have high CRP and wonder if

> my

> > > > > joint soreness

> > > > > > > might be fibromyalgia.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Norma

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