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They are not going to make private health insurance companies outlawed. They are just going to give them a run for the money because they will be competing against a well run, nonprofit government program that allows for people like me who have preexisting conditions. I don't want to have to pay a high co pay or deductible.

People need to get it straight. Don't fall victim to the Republican strategies.

Get with the program.

Jag

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!iodine Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:57 PM

But this system (page 16 of the bill) will make it illegal to have private insurance. Once the government bill goes into effect it is illegal for anyone to enroll (or for an insurance company to contract with an individual) for a new health insurance policy. You can keep insurance at your current employer as long as you are there but if you leave the employment of this company and move to another you may not enroll in this program's policy and you cannot take out a personal plan. You will then have to enroll in government insurance or pay a penalty based on a % of your income for non coverage in a health care program.

That is the problem. There are many more issues. Maybe you are happy with your healthcare system but the one they are trying to put into place here is a train wreck.

Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

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From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).

1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT

2 COVERAGE.

3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4

COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of

5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6

Coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health

7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance

8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the

9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—

11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in

12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance

13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll

14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef

15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first

16 day of Y1.

Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been confirmed that this is the case.

Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people the government doesn't deem as "worth it" to treat having 3 recurrences under my belt.

I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance.

Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

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The bill is huge and has potential problems with those of us who

are not young. I worry about keeping a doctor if I use Medicare because of the

cuts to payments.

Folks shouldn’t fall for the socialism.

Becky D

From:

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Jag

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:02 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

They are not going to make private health insurance

companies outlawed. They are just going to give them a run for the money

because they will be competing against a well run, nonprofit government

program that allows for people like me who have preexisting conditions. I

don't want to have to pay a high co pay or deductible.

People need to get it straight. Don't fall victim to the

Republican strategies.

Get with the program.

Jag

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

iodine

Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:57 PM

But this system (page 16 of the bill) will make it illegal to have

private insurance. Once the government bill goes into effect it is

illegal for anyone to enroll (or for an insurance company to contract with an

individual) for a new health insurance policy. You can keep insurance

at your current employer as long as you are there but if you leave the

employment of this company and move to another you may not enroll in this

program's policy and you cannot take out a personal plan. You will then

have to enroll in government insurance or pay a penalty based on a % of your

income for non coverage in a health care program.

That is the problem. There are many more issues.

Maybe you are happy with your healthcare system but the one they are trying

to put into place here is a train wreck.

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Subject: Re: Free

American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that

it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have

in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for

doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood

tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment

I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance

for those who want it and can afford it.

>

>

>

>

> This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please

take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.

>

> Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control

OUT of healthcare.

> http://www.freeourh

ealthcarenow. com/

>

>

> stephanie

>

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That's true. You will pay a percentage of your income in a penalty for not being covered by insurance. You can either buy insurance or pay the penalty. It is in an effort to get more people to pay into the pool. So the younger (less draining) members would be paying and not taking so that the older / sicker members can have money to use for treatment.

Remember that when this goes national, all the medical records will be held in a national data base where they can be accessed so that someone (other than your doctor) from the govt can decided if it is worthwhile for you to have xyz treatment.

I do not want my records on a computer somewhere. Now my Dr has them in his office on paper in a folder on a shelf.

Steph

Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

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Hey I got cancer too. If I were to lose my insurance tomorrow and could not pay for COBRA I couldn't get coverage either. But there are hospitals here that would treat me and I would have to pay them back. I do not expect anyone to pay for my insurance but myself and it is a risk I bear every day.

Insurance is NOT a right. It is a privilege. My mom & dad never had insurance. It has only been in the last 40 years or less that it has become the standard. Why? Because we have more technology to do more things. Because people have sued doctors so much that healthcare costs have skyrocketed due to malpractice insurance. Where does it stop? I want free disability insurance now in case something happens and I can't work. Oh yeah let's throw in life insurance so that my family can pay ot bury me because after all I had cancer so who knows. Government's job is not to provide services because when it tries it only takes from the people to give it to others - they are not a business generating revenue.

I believe that my church, family and friends are my helpers. That's how it used to be. I don't want a handout from anyone. There were times when I was sick and fighting cancer, having treatment and I worked any job I could selling stuff for others on ebay and whatever else while caring for an infant and a toddler to pay for our COBRA. I did it by the grace of God and never even considered that it was the Government's job to give me insurance.

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It's going to be difficult to convince me that I do not deserve some form of health care. If I have to pay even 1/2 of my medical costs, that's better than what I have now. QUESTION: Is this the final version - all the committees, House and Senate have edited and approved this version? Or it is a draft (usually, a draft will be changed many times, before the final bill)?My family cannot get private health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. My best friend's husband has cancer. He worked for the same company for 20 years. His company terminated him due to his health condition. He paid for Cobra for as long as it was allowed. The insurance dropped him. He has cancer, but cannot be treated as he has no health insurance. Yes, our nation has a "great" health care system - why change.The people I see that is against a national health care system has insurance. Of course, why should they care if people like me don't have coverage. We also work hard, pay our bills, have no debts, etc. If I become ill though, we can lose everything that we worked so hard for. Why should the insured people of this nation care about me. That's my fault! No, it's not, we are not able to acquire insurance unless we want to mortgage our home which we worked hard to pay for! Than if we get cancer, the insurance can cancel our policy - great system!Irene

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Sorry, Irene, I have insurance, but, don't use it. I use holistic dr.'s and they donot take it. So, I pay for insurance and pay for the care I WANT.

I cannot afford to pay for other people. I am not a multimillionaire.

And I do not want gov in my bank accounts.

I have read private ins will be changed over to gov crap. Maybe this is not true.

If they only wanted to provide for people like you & you pay, fine. I am not interested in being forced into allo drugs/vaccines.

But, if it is so great, why then, are the gov workers not getting it? Why do they keep the ins they have? Much better, by the way.

I want my Armour, my iodine, my supplements, my bio hormones. Not synthetic poison.

If I got cancer, I would not need the ins, anyway. Diet, vit, iodine & hormones. What else?

JMO.Nonie

It's going to be difficult to convince me that I do not deserve some form of health care. If I have to pay even 1/2 of my medical costs, that's better than what I have now. QUESTION: Is this the final version - all the committees, House and Senate have edited and approved this version? Or it is a draft (usually, a draft will be changed many times, before the final bill)?My family cannot get private health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. My best friend's husband has cancer. He worked for the same company for 20 years. His company terminated him due to his health condition. He paid for Cobra for as long as it was allowed. The insurance dropped him. He has cancer, but cannot be treated as he has no health insurance. Yes, our nation has a "great" health care system - why change.The people I see that is against a national health care system has insurance. Of course, why should they care if people like me don't have coverage. We also work hard, pay our bills, have no debts, etc. If I become ill though, we can lose everything that we worked so hard for. Why should the insured people of this nation care about me. That's my fault! No, it's not, we are not able to acquire insurance unless we want to mortgage our home which we worked hard to pay for! Than if we get cancer, the insurance can cancel our policy - great system!Irene

[Guest guest]

Exactly Nonie- We pay over $200 / month for insurance that covers nothing. On top of this we pay $15,000 per year for holistic and chiropractic care that is not covered by my insurance. All we really need is "smashed in the road" insurance for the major medical claims. I don't do allopathic crap (which is what this bill will give us) because it almost killed me.

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Sorry, Irene, I have insurance, but, don't use it. I use holistic dr.'s and they donot take it. So, I pay for insurance and pay for the care I WANT. I cannot afford to pay for other people. I am not a multimillionaire. And I do not want gov in my bank accounts. I have read private ins will be changed over to gov crap. Maybe this is not true. If they only wanted to provide for people like you & you pay, fine. I am not interested in being forced into allo drugs/vaccines. But, if it is so great, why then, are the gov workers not getting it? Why do they keep the ins they have? Much better, by the way. I want my Armour, my iodine, my supplements, my bio hormones. Not synthetic poison.If I got cancer, I would not need the ins, anyway. Diet, vit, iodine & hormones. What else?JMO.Nonie

It's going to be difficult to convince me that I do not deserve some form of health care. If I have to pay even 1/2 of my medical costs, that's better than what I have now. QUESTION: Is this the final version - all the committees, House and Senate have edited and approved this version? Or it is a draft (usually, a draft will be changed many times, before the final bill)?My family cannot get private health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. My best friend's husband has cancer. He worked for the same company for 20 years. His company terminated him due to his health condition. He paid for Cobra for as long as it was allowed. The insurance dropped him. He has cancer, but cannot be treated as he has no health insurance. Yes, our nation has a "great" health care system - why change.The people I see that is against a national health care system has insurance. Of course, why should they care if people like me don't have coverage. We also work hard, pay our bills, have no debts, etc. If I become ill though, we can lose everything that we worked so hard for. Why should the insured people of this nation care about me. That's my fault! No, it's not, we are not able to acquire insurance unless we want to mortgage our home which we worked hard to pay for! Than if we get cancer, the insurance can cancel our policy - great system!Irene

[Guest guest]

It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said that it is as I have stated.

It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my family. I will never change my mind on that one.

European countries with national healthcare pay on average around 50% in taxes. That just won't fly here. I heard Dave Ramsey today say that if you received your paycheck in cash every time you got paid and then were forced to take part of it to a person physically standing there collecting the tax money each time and you had to physically part with it that more Americans would get fired up to get something changed. I agree. You do get lulled into the fact that it is just gone. My husband and I paid out 37% of our income last year in income and property taxes. There is something terribly wrong with that.

Steph

Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

I have read the bill and would encourage others to do so as well. Section 102 is simply defining a grandfather clause. You know, like the grandfather clause that allows Armour to be prescribed even though it's not FDA approved. There is nothing in this bill that says you cannot keep your current insurance or that private insurers won't continue to enroll. When you pull paragraphs out of context, it sounds like something it isn't. And you know, MY family works hard, furthers our educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance too. I feel fortunate to be in that position. And it won't change for unless I want to make a change. But there are many in this country who aren't as fortunate. It is a mystery to me how our country can justify public defenders for the indigent but deny the same people the right to health care.Radar>> From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).> > 1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT> > 2 COVERAGE.> > 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4> > > Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been confirmed that this is the case. > > Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people the government doesn't deem as "worth it" to treat having 3 recurrences under my belt. > > I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance. > >

[Guest guest]

I am jealous that you have a caring doctor.

To tell the truth...I don't know how I feel about any of this. I haven't been to a doctor in almost 30 yrs. I have been helped by this group and others ...NEVER been helped or made to feel worthy by any doctor.

So this is all scary.

I hate to see nothing done for people who are so sheepley helpless tho. I am fine with how I am. I don't want to be fined for not having insurance. I take the $100 that was being paid into medicare and buy my own meds.

Guess I a fence sitter. 'Cause I hate Rush Limbaugh and he is against the plan.

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:25 -0400Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

That's true. You will pay a percentage of your income in a penalty for not being covered by insurance. You can either buy insurance or pay the penalty. It is in an effort to get more people to pay into the pool. So the younger (less draining) members would be paying and not taking so that the older / sicker members can have money to use for treatment.

Remember that when this goes national, all the medical records will be held in a national data base where they can be accessed so that someone (other than your doctor) from the govt can decided if it is worthwhile for you to have xyz treatment.

I do not want my records on a computer somewhere. Now my Dr has them in his office on paper in a folder on a shelf.

Steph

Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

[Guest guest]

We have friends and family from the Netherlands and Canada that have moved to the U.S. .. permanently. They truly value the U.S. health care that they receive NOW. They all previously had the socialistic "national healthcare" system and have absolutely nothing good to say about it.

I tell you people, if/when you hear first hand stories, you would not be for this at all. I so agree with all that is saying here. I really am very concerned about this.

~Glo

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!iodine Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:58 PM

It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said that it is as I have stated.

It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my family. I will never change my mind on that one.

European countries with national healthcare pay on average around 50% in taxes. That just won't fly here. I heard Dave Ramsey today say that if you received your paycheck in cash every time you got paid and then were forced to take part of it to a person physically standing there collecting the tax money each time and you had to physically part with it that more Americans would get fired up to get something changed. I agree. You do get lulled into the fact that it is just gone. My husband and I paid out 37% of our income last year in income and property taxes. There is something terribly wrong with that.

Steph

Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

I have read the bill and would encourage others to do so as well. Section 102 is simply defining a grandfather clause. You know, like the grandfather clause that allows Armour to be prescribed even though it's not FDA approved. There is nothing in this bill that says you cannot keep your current insurance or that private insurers won't continue to enroll. When you pull paragraphs out of context, it sounds like something it isn't. And you know, MY family works hard, furthers our educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance too. I feel fortunate to be in that position. And it won't change for unless I want to make a change. But there are many in this country who aren't as fortunate. It is a mystery to me how our country can justify public defenders for the indigent but deny the same people the right to health care.Radar>> From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).> > 1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT> > 2 COVERAGE.> > 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4> > > Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been confirmed that this is the case. > > Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the

ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people the government doesn't deem as "worth it" to treat having 3 recurrences under my belt. > > I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance. > >

[Guest guest]

I have taken care of patients from Canada who paid for CABGs or

valve replacements out of their own pockets because the wait list was too long.

Becky D

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Glory

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:14 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

We have

friends and family from the Netherlands and Canada that have

moved to the U.S. .. permanently. They truly value the U.S. health

care that they receive NOW. They all previously had

the socialistic " national healthcare " system and have

absolutely nothing good to say about it.

I tell you

people, if/when you hear first hand stories, you would not be for this at

all. I so agree with all that is saying here. I really

am very concerned about this.

~Glo

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

iodine

Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:58 PM

It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said

that it is as I have stated.

It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my

family. I will never change my mind on that one.

European countries with national healthcare pay on average around

50% in taxes. That just won't fly here. I heard Dave Ramsey today

say that if you received your paycheck in cash every time you got paid and

then were forced to take part of it to a person physically standing there

collecting the tax money each time and you had to physically part with it

that more Americans would get fired up to get something changed. I

agree. You do get lulled into the fact that it is just gone. My

husband and I paid out 37% of our income last year in income and property

taxes. There is something terribly wrong with that.

Steph

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From: radarbff

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wednesday, July

29, 2009 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [3]

Free American Health Care NOW!

I have read the bill and

would encourage others to do so as well.

Section 102 is simply defining a grandfather clause. You know, like the

grandfather clause that allows Armour to be prescribed even though it's not

FDA approved.

There is nothing in this bill that says you cannot keep your current

insurance or that private insurers won't continue to enroll. When you pull

paragraphs out of context, it sounds like something it isn't.

And you know, MY family works hard, furthers our educations, pays our bills

and pays for our own insurance too. I feel fortunate to be in that position.

And it won't change for unless I want to make a change.

But there are many in this country who aren't as fortunate. It is a mystery

to me how our country can justify public defenders for the indigent but deny

the same people the right to health care.

Radar

>

> From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).

>

> 1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT

>

> 2 COVERAGE.

>

> 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4

>

>

> Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in

coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several

lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for

clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private

insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been

confirmed that this is the case.

>

> Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the

ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people

the government doesn't deem as " worth it " to treat having 3

recurrences under my belt.

>

> I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their

educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance.

>

>

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Yes, so now .. you won't have the health insurance company telling you they can't insure you because of your "xyz" (preexisting condition) .. you will have your government telling you that they can only do "xyz" for you because you are too old .. or the procedure that you really need is "not cost effective", so they will not pay for it.

Scares me!

Glo

From: radarbff <radarbff@...>Subject: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!iodine Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:45 PM

Yay Jag!>> They are not going to make private health insurance companies outlawed. They are just going to give them a run for the money because they will be competing against a well run, nonprofit government program that allows for people like me who have preexisting conditions. I don't want to have to pay a high co pay or deductible. > > People need to get it straight. Don't fall victim to the Republican strategies.> > Get with the program.> > Jag>

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Hi Cyn,

This is what I want to know.From what I have read, supposedly all dr.s will be forced to take the ins and the gov will set the pay scale. Someone from Canada said some docs left and came to US.

If my docs are forced to take the ins, they will be forced to follow only what gov wants for tests, treatment. Not the tests or treatment I want. This is also a boon for the drug companies who have also been indemnified. WHAT? So any of their drugs hurts you or your kids, tough luck.Nonie > > Can someone tell me what will happen to naturopaths and holistic dr's if this health plan goes through? Will they be covered by the national insurance? If not will we be able to pay them out of pocket or will they just "go away"?> Cyn> >

[Guest guest]

i am with you. i straddle the fence. you hear so much that you don't know which way to go. but i do have to say i don't want some government fool deciding what care i need. that is somewhat like the hmo... desk sitters deciding whether you get treated or not. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Klasi Lady wrote: I am jealous that you have a caring doctor. To tell the truth...I don't know how I feel about any of this. I haven't been to a doctor in almost 30 yrs. I have been helped by this group and others ...NEVER been helped or made to feel worthy by any doctor. So this is all scary.I hate to see nothing done for people who are so sheepley helpless tho. I am fine with how I am. I don't want to be fined for not having insurance. I take the $100 that was being paid into medicare and buy my own meds. Guess I a fence sitter. 'Cause I hate Rush Limbaugh and he is against the plan. iodine From: ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) netDate: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:25 -0400Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW! That's true. You will pay a percentage of your income in a penalty for not being covered by insurance. You can either buy insurance or pay the penalty. It is in an effort to get more people to pay into the pool. So the younger (less draining) members would be paying and not taking so that the older / sicker members can have money to use for treatment. Remember that when this goes national, all the medical records will be held in a national data base where they can be accessed so that someone (other than your doctor) from the govt can decided if it is worthwhile for you to have xyz treatment. I do not want my records on a computer somewhere. Now my Dr has them in his office on paper in a folder on a shelf. Steph Re: Free American Health Care NOW! It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

[Guest guest]

thank you , i signed - i sure hope it gets to the right people - i was glad to finally see CNN reporting on it in the correct light the other day. So many media outlets have tried to cover up what reality is in this debacle. They even mentioned that government employees would be exempt - i don't see how that is fair at all - they want us to take it, but they don't have to???

tanya

[Guest guest]

that is part of our problem now. i know my daughter started with migrains. wham. and a six month wait for a neurologist. we are starting the same way. and the view had that doctor (dr tim ????) on today and he was saying the same thing. not enough doctors, it would cause us to have to wait because of more people on insurance. i think we need slower change, not real fast. if the pres takes his time, he would be able to think this out more clearly. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 29, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Becky D wrote:I have taken care of patients from Canada who paid for CABGs or valve replacements out of their own pockets because the wait list was too long. Becky D From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of GlorySent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:14 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW! We have friends and family from the Netherlands and Canada that have moved to the U.S. .. permanently. They truly value the U.S. health care that they receive NOW. They all previously had the socialistic "national healthcare" system and have absolutely nothing good to say about it. I tell you people, if/when you hear first hand stories, you would not be for this at all. I so agree with all that is saying here. I really am very concerned about this. ~Glo From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!iodine Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:58 PM It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said that it is as I have stated. It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my family. I will never change my mind on that one. European countries with national healthcare pay on average around 50% in taxes. That just won't fly here. I heard Dave Ramsey today say that if you received your paycheck in cash every time you got paid and then were forced to take part of it to a person physically standing there collecting the tax money each time and you had to physically part with it that more Americans would get fired up to get something changed. I agree. You do get lulled into the fact that it is just gone. My husband and I paid out 37% of our income last year in income and property taxes. There is something terribly wrong with that. Steph Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW! I have read the bill and would encourage others to do so as well. Section 102 is simply defining a grandfather clause. You know, like the grandfather clause that allows Armour to be prescribed even though it's not FDA approved. There is nothing in this bill that says you cannot keep your current insurance or that private insurers won't continue to enroll. When you pull paragraphs out of context, it sounds like something it isn't. And you know, MY family works hard, furthers our educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance too. I feel fortunate to be in that position. And it won't change for unless I want to make a change. But there are many in this country who aren't as fortunate. It is a mystery to me how our country can justify public defenders for the indigent but deny the same people the right to health care.Radar>> From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).> > 1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT> > 2 COVERAGE.> > 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4> > > Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been confirmed that this is the case. > > Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people the government doesn't deem as "worth it" to treat having 3 recurrences under my belt. > > I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance. > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4289 (20090729) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4289 (20090729) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4289 (20090729) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com

[Guest guest]

Some of us in the US go up to Canada to get healthcare there ... you

have to pay, but it's cheaper. Also it's cheaper to go to Thailand

for some surgeries. And some operations you CAN get in the US,

but only if your insurance company will pay for them or you have

very deep pockets.

Anyway, as per an earlier post: there isn't a bill that is actually done

yet. There are several and people are arguing over them. None of them

force you to give up anything. As to the cost: health care is bankrupting

us currently and the infant mortality rate is abysmal. I think the final

bill won't be as expensive as people think (it doesn't have to be: but

the health care industry is doing it's best to make it expensive).

Our state DID have a health-run system, and it worked very well. However,

people moved in from out-of-state to take advantage of it, which cost

too much. I loved it though. It was no more or less restrictive than the

private health care I had before, and it prevented restrictions based on

pre-existing conditions. It even paid for birthing, which I couldn't get

in private insurance (Can you imagine? Taking care of a pregnant mother

isn't a covered condition!).

The long-term solution is probably what is going on here: people taking

better care of themselves, taking more responsibility for themselves. My

doctor actually agrees: he thinks that with the Internet, people will do more

self-diagnosis and shop for doctors based on what they find out, and

just order their own tests. Which is exactly what is happening here! But I

don't see any conflict with that and not having the private insurers run things,

which is the case now. You have two options: 1) Let the private insurers (who

you don't vote for) run things and decide who can and cannot be insured or

2) Let the government create a " safety net " of some kind (currently being

hashed out) to provide some competition to the insurers.

Option 2) will probably lower costs eventually, because it's in the

government's best

interest that we use lower cost solutions (like iodine) and because the drug

companies won't have such a monopoly.

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you have said here. Leave me alone and create a program for others who want it. Because when you force all to be on a program as this one is leaning toward there will be issues. Those of us with very good insurance - let say a 90 and those with govt run insurance are maybe at a 40 in coverage rating when they put all of us on it we will all be at a 60. Not everyone will increase to the 90 level. This is part of the capitalistic / free enterprise system. Employers used benefits as part of compensation to lure good workers to their company.

----- Original Message -----

From:

[Guest guest]

Hi Jag,

Could

you provide at least one example of a " well run, nonprofit government

program " specific to this administration? More specifically one that is

related to action rather than rhetoric. Note that I too have pre-existing

uninsurable conditions.

Dennis Dvorak

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Jag Jag

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:02 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

They are not going to make private health insurance

companies outlawed. They are just going to give them a run for the money

because they will be competing against a well run, nonprofit government

program that allows for people like me who have preexisting conditions. I

don't want to have to pay a high co pay or deductible.

People need to get it straight. Don't fall victim to the

Republican strategies.

Get with the program.

Jag

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

iodine

Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:57 PM

But this system (page 16 of the bill) will make it illegal to

have private insurance. Once the government bill goes into effect it is

illegal for anyone to enroll (or for an insurance company to contract with an

individual) for a new health insurance policy. You can keep insurance

at your current employer as long as you are there but if you leave the

employment of this company and move to another you may not enroll in this

program's policy and you cannot take out a personal plan. You will then

have to enroll in government insurance or pay a penalty based on a % of your income

for non coverage in a health care program.

That is the problem. There are many more issues.

Maybe you are happy with your healthcare system but the one they are trying

to put into place here is a train wreck.

-----

Original Message -----

From: Reid

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wednesday, July

29, 2009 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: Free

American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that

it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have

in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for

doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood

tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment

I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance

for those who want it and can afford it.

>

>

>

>

> This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please

take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.

>

> Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control

OUT of healthcare.

> http://www.freeourh

ealthcarenow. com/

>

>

> stephanie

>

[Guest guest]

The "Phantom 46 Million" ..

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51424

By the way, I'm not trying to be funny or cheeky or anything .. but really "well run" and "government" in the same sentence?

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re: Re: Free American Health Care NOW!iodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 9:57 PM

But this system (page 16 of the bill) will make it illegal to have private insurance. Once the government bill goes into effect it is illegal for anyone to enroll (or for an insurance company to contract with an individual) for a new health insurance policy. You can keep insurance at your current employer as long as you are there but if you leave the employment of this company and move to another you may not enroll in this program's policy and you cannot take out a personal plan. You will then have to enroll in government insurance or pay a penalty based on a % of your income for non coverage in a health care program.

That is the problem. There are many more issues. Maybe you are happy with your healthcare system but the one they are trying to put into place here is a train wreck.

Re: Free American Health Care NOW!

It gives the impression that it would be a disaster to have a government run health programme like we have in Britain when, in fact, we have an excellent system. We do not pay for doctor's appointments or visits, consultant appointments, surgery, blood tests, scans, etc. Very few people pay for prescriptions and the only payment I have to make is to a dentist. On the other hand, there is private insurance for those who want it and can afford it.> > > > > This is really important and why I am forwarding it to everyone. Please take a moment to sign this. They need a million signatures.> > Please take a minute to sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare.> http://www.freeourh ealthcarenow. com/> > > stephanie>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In

addition to the 37% or 50% taxes an individual pays, a small business has the

privilege of paying several other forms of taxation. One of my favorites is

FUTA, where I as a business owner am required to pay federal unemployment taxes

for the benefit of my employees. As an employee of my Corporation, I can never

avail myself of said unemployment compensation because I am also the employer.

The laws in the state in which I reside have similar unemployment taxes. As the

employees I have are contracted through a service, these taxes provide me with

no benefit. If I choose not to pay these taxes as I have no liability, it

triggers an audit. If I choose not to file the forms, I am fined for not filing

the forms. This proposed healthcare (let's make sure we get it right, it is NOT

healthcare, it is sickness MAINTENANCE) exudes similar characteristics in that

it is protecting me from myself, and I can't remember ever asking to have that

done.

To

put it in terms that relate to in iodine group, should Iodoral come under

scrutiny of this " health plan " its usage would certainly be subject

to control, and one thing is for sure, it would be unlikely that the price

would decrease and the availability increase.

This

is not off topic.

Dennis Dvorak

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbees

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said

that it is as I have stated.

It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my

family. I will never change my mind on that one.

European countries with national healthcare pay on average around

50% in taxes. That just won't fly here. I heard Dave Ramsey today

say that if you received your paycheck in cash every time you got paid and then

were forced to take part of it to a person physically standing there collecting

the tax money each time and you had to physically part with it that more

Americans would get fired up to get something changed. I agree. You

do get lulled into the fact that it is just gone. My husband and I paid

out 37% of our income last year in income and property taxes. There is

something terribly wrong with that.

Steph

-----

Original Message -----

From: radarbff

iodine

Sent: Wednesday, July 29,

2009 10:43 PM

Subject: Re: [3]

Free American Health Care NOW!

I have read the bill and would encourage others

to do so as well.

Section 102 is simply defining a grandfather clause. You know, like the

grandfather clause that allows Armour to be prescribed even though it's not FDA

approved.

There is nothing in this bill that says you cannot keep your current insurance

or that private insurers won't continue to enroll. When you pull paragraphs out

of context, it sounds like something it isn't.

And you know, MY family works hard, furthers our educations, pays our bills and

pays for our own insurance too. I feel fortunate to be in that position. And it

won't change for unless I want to make a change.

But there are many in this country who aren't as fortunate. It is a mystery to

me how our country can justify public defenders for the indigent but deny the

same people the right to health care.

Radar

>

> From page 16 of the Health Care Reform Bill (attached).

>

> 1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT

>

> 2 COVERAGE.

>

> 3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4

>

>

> Now what does that say? The insurance company will not enroll anyone in

coverage of insurance after the Healthcare bill goes into effect. Several

lawyers have been contacted - as has the Ways and Means committee for

clarification if this means that someone would not be able to take out private

insurance or enroll in it after the bill goes into place and it has been

confirmed that this is the case.

>

> Please people - read the bill for yourself and understand the

ramifications of it all. As a cancer survivor I may be one of those people the

government doesn't deem as " worth it " to treat having 3 recurrences

under my belt.

>

> I am fine with the way it is today. My family works hard, furthers their

educations, pays our bills and pays for our own insurance.

>

>

[Guest guest]

why do you believe this? why wouldn't " guvmint " care that ppl got the

best healthcare? it would be a lot less expensive than keeping ppl sick

as we do now. Quality healthcare would be cheaper with better outcomes.

Gracia

Glory wrote:

>

>

> Yes, so now .. you won't have the health insurance company telling

> you they can't insure you because of your " xyz " (preexisting

> condition) .. you will have _your government_ telling you that they

> can _only do_ " xyz " for you because you are too old .. or the

> procedure that you really need is " not cost effective " , so they will

> not pay for it.

>

> Scares me!

> Glo

> ****

> * *

>

>

>

>

>

> From: radarbff <radarbff@...>

> Subject: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

> iodine

> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:45 PM

>

>

> Yay Jag!

>

>

> >

> > They are not going to make private health insurance companies

> outlawed. They are just going to give them a run for the money

> because they will be competing against a well run, nonprofit

> government program that allows for people like me who have

> preexisting conditions. I don't want to have to pay a high co pay

> or deductible.

> >

> > People need to get it straight. Don't fall victim to the

> Republican strategies.

> >

> > Get with the program.

> >

> > Jag

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

alternatively--- I have relatives and some are doctors in Panama, Cuba,

Germany and Spain who are very satisfied with their " socialistic "

system. I will gladly pay more so everyone can have " health care " but

right now the system stinks and doesn't have much to do with health.

we could cut our costs in half tomorrow if we had quality health care.

maybe just maybe we will look at what actually works.

Gracia

Glory wrote:

>

>

> We have friends and family from the Netherlands and Canada that have

> moved to the U.S. .. permanently. They truly value the U.S. health

> care that they receive NOW. They all previously had the socialistic

> " national healthcare " system and have absolutely nothing good to say

> about it.

>

> I tell you people, if/when you hear first hand stories, you would not

> be for this at all. I so agree with all that is saying

> here. I really am very concerned about this.

>

> ~Glo

> ****

> * *

>

>

>

>

>

> From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

> iodine

> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:58 PM

>

>

> It's not out of context and the House Ways & Means has said that

> it is as I have stated.

>

> It is not my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my

> family. I will never change my mind on that one.

>

>

[Guest guest]

what state do you live in? Maine has a state run system for ppl

without insurance and it works pretty well.

Gracia

[Guest guest]

It's not mandatory that you participate in a health plan there though. That's where the proposed bill gets ruined.

Steph

Re: Re: [3] Free American Health Care NOW!

what state do you live in? Maine has a state run system for ppl without insurance and it works pretty well. Gracia