Re: Niacin?

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Why is the flush good for you?

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because blood is moving through your arteries and veins, keeping things clean , simplified answer but essentially true. Studies have been done in mice , reversing alzheimers because of this circulation effect.

Re: Niacin?

Why is the flush good for you?

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There is alot of information out there on Niacin. I've taken up to 500 mgs 3-4 times per day with no ill effects. I flushed sometimes and not others. Empty vs full stomach has alot to do with it. Also, you can take it at bed time to help relax and if you flush then nobody sees it. I tend to like the flush, it relieves alot of my pain when it's happening.

Here is some good info on Niacin: http://doctoryourself.com/niacin.html

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In a message dated 2/5/2009 12:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, glonear@... writes:

>read somewhere that you can crush up the niacin tablet and then you >would get the "flush" right away

Why not try taking the no flush niacin? I take it and have never had a problem. I hope it works the same as the regular stuff.

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our doc said no flash niacin will not work in bringing down cholesterol levels.

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Monday, April 23, 2007

Niacin scams

<http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/niacin-scams.html>

As most of you know, niacin (vitamin B3) is an important tool for many

in the Track Your Plaque program.

Niacin:

--raises HDL cholesterol

--reduces small LDL

--reduces lipoprotein(a)

And it's the most potent agent we have for all three patterns, despite

just being a vitamin. Niacin also reduces LDL cholesterol, VLDL, IDL,

triglycerides; reduces heart attack risk dramatically either alone or in

combination with other agents.

Unfortunately, some people who are either afraid of the " hot flush " side

effect, or experience excessive degrees of it, have resorted to two

preparations sold in stores that have none of these effects.

Most notorious is * " No-flush " niacin*, also known as inositol

hexaniacinate. This compound is an inositol sugar molecule complexed

with 6 ( " hexa- " ) niacin molecules. Unfortunately, it exerts none of

niacin's effects in the human body. No-flush niacin has no effect on

HDL, small LDL, or Lp(a), nor on LDL or heart attack.

In short, no-flush niacin is a scam. It's also not cheap. I've met

people who have spent hundreds of dollars on this agent before they

realize that nothing is happening, including a flush.

Likewise, *nicotinamide* does not work. It sounds awfully close to the

other name for niacin, nicotinic acid. But they are two different

things. Like no-flush niacin, nicotinamide has no effect on HDL, small

LDL, Lp(a), etc.

Though I've discussed this issue in past, somehow these two

" supplements " seem to sneak back into people's consciousness. You walk

down the health food store aisle and spy that bottle of X-brand No-flush

niacin, promising all the benefits of niacin with none of the bother.

Then you remember that rough night you spent a few months back when the

hot flush lasted longer than usual. That's when some people end up

buying this agent making extravagant--and false--promises.

For now, for all its imperfections, niacin is still a pretty darn good

agent for these patterns. Remember that the best strategy to minimize

the hot flush effect is to drink plenty of water. We generally recommend

taking the dose at dinner along with water. If the hot flush occurs,

drink two large glasses of water (total volume 16-24 oz). Nine times out

of ten, the flush is gone. It also dissipates the longer you take niacin.

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inositol hexanicotinate is the B3 ingredient in ATP cofactors from optimox.

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Monday, April 23, 2007Niacin scams<http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/niacin-scams.html>As most of you know, niacin (vitamin B3) is an important tool for many in the Track Your Plaque program.Niacin:--raises HDL cholesterol--reduces small LDL--reduces lipoprotein(a)And it's the most potent agent we have for all three patterns, despite just being a vitamin. Niacin also reduces LDL cholesterol, VLDL, IDL, triglycerides; reduces heart attack risk dramatically either alone or in combination with other agents.Unfortunately, some people who are either afraid of the "hot flush" side effect, or experience excessive degrees of it, have resorted to two preparations sold in stores that have none of these effects.Most notorious is *"No-flush" niacin*, also known as inositol hexaniacinate. This compound is an inositol sugar molecule complexed with 6 ("hexa-") niacin molecules. Unfortunately, it exerts none of niacin's effects in the human body. No-flush niacin has no effect on HDL, small LDL, or Lp(a), nor on LDL or heart attack.In short, no-flush niacin is a scam. It's also not cheap. I've met people who have spent hundreds of dollars on this agent before they realize that nothing is happening, including a flush.

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In a message dated 2/6/2009 7:19:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, neilneil@... writes:

>Most notorious is *"No-flush" niacin*, also known as inositol >hexaniacinate.

This is interesting to me. I take Soloray's No Flush Niacin that has 500mg niacin with 200 mg. insitol per capsule. I sometimes have a flush with it, but very, very seldom. Am I to assume that the 200 mg. inistol cancels out the 500 mg. niacin?

Thanks.

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Hi Neil,

I appreciate your great info/coverage of the niacin. My plan is to

purchase the niacin that you previously provided links to.

What is confounding to me .. is that the heavy duty flush that I

experienced began AFTER being on the sustained release niacin that I

had been taking for 9 months. The only thing I can think of is that

maybe with all of my issues that I wasn't absorbing it previuosly and

whatever I may have added sometime shortly before the flush began

helped the processing? I don't know ..really confused!

And then once that flush began, it DID NOT stop. Well .. maybe a day

or two here, but for the most part, it continued. Until two weeks ago

when I totally cut the niacin out. (Does the flushing NOT stopping

have something to do with the fact that the sustained release is too

much for my liver?)

Thanks for all of your info about this important vitamin.

Glo

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How does this nicotinic acid work in the body, increasing HDL and what is happening with the flush and the HDL?TY

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That is what my doc said as well. Take the flush and you will get used

to it after a while. The doc said to take an aspirin with the niacin,

as it reduces the severity of the flush.

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cholesterol levels.

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The flush is what is good for you, why would one take aspirin to reduce it??? Also, aspirin causes internal bleeding, not a good idea imho

Re: Niacin?

That is what my doc said as well. Take the flush and you will get used to it after a while. The doc said to take an aspirin with the niacin, as it reduces the severity of the flush. >> our doc said no flash niacin will not work in bringing down cholesterol levels.> > >

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He told me that very, very few people actually get internal bleeding

from ASA, otherwise millions of people who are on ASA protocol would

have bleeding problems. People on Plavix, and all those Rx blood

thinners have a much higher risk of bleeding, not aspirin. I still have

the flush, but the doc and pharmacist both said ASA reduces it a bit

till one gets used to it. Endurance Products are excellent.

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> The flush is what is good for you, why would one take aspirin to

reduce it??? Also, aspirin causes internal bleeding, not a good idea

imho

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Thank you , good explanation!

Re: Niacin?

He told me that very, very few people actually get internal bleeding from ASA, otherwise millions of people who are on ASA protocol would have bleeding problems. People on Plavix, and all those Rx blood thinners have a much higher risk of bleeding, not aspirin. I still have the flush, but the doc and pharmacist both said ASA reduces it a bit till one gets used to it. Endurance Products are excellent. >> The flush is what is good for you, why would one take aspirin to reduce it??? Also, aspirin causes internal bleeding, not a good idea imho

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Glo,

Try the niacinamide form of niacin, it does not produce a flush.

Carole

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Glory <glonear@...> wrote:

I know this is a bit off topic, but since niacin is generally a part of the recommended companion nutrients/supplements we should be taking while taking iodine, I thought it would be okay to post my question here. Not sure if anyone will have answers for this, but here goes ..

Beginning this past September ('08), I all of a sudden developed what I would define as " burn " flashes. When I describe my " burn " flash to other women who have gone through hot flashes, etc., they all said that it didn't sound like anything they went through. But, after talking with Dr. B, he thought it was some type of hot flash and added a different form of vitamin E to my regimen and tweaked a couple of other things. While the vitamin E .. after about a week or so, seemed to work .. it all came back. (Those " burn " flashes) I would get them once a day and I kid you not, I turned as red as can be.

By accident .. because I was sick with flu over the Christmas holidays, I realized that I did not (even once) get one of those " burn " flashes. That signaled to me that it was something in the daily supplements that I was taking that was triggering those. (I did not take any supplements at all for three or four days. I only took my Armour prescription.) After googling all of my supplements, the only possible culprit I could come up with was the niacin. The niacin I take is from Dr. B's office and is a sustained release form. It is 250mgs. I also take what is called a Bio-B complex vitamin. Within the B complex there is an added 75mgs of niacin. So .. a total of 325mgs daily that I was getting.

The interesting/confusing part of all of this is that I have been on the Bio-B complex " forever " while adding the 250 mgs niacin since last January '08 sometime. (I could not remember, I had to call Dr. B's supplement line and this is what they told me.) So .. how could my daily " burn " flash all of a sudden be caused by the niacin 9 months later?? It didn't make sense, but last Monday I did not take the 250mg niacin tablet. Low and behold .. I did not have the burn flash .. and have not since. I have not been adding any additional niacin supplementation .. except what I get in the B complex that I take.

So, my question for you folks .. is there a different form of niacin that I can take that won't cause this? I haven't taken that additional 250mgs of niacin for almost two weeks now. I wonder how not being on that niacin is negatively effecting my whole protocol?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thanks,

Glo

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Hi Carol,

I have already purchased just a "regular" niacin supplement. Not sustained release and it is not niacinamide. The niacinamide, from what I understand, is not necessarily a good form to take. I don't believe that I would get the results I am looking for with the niacinamide form.

I guess I won't mind the "flush" as long as I know what it's caused from and I can (somewhat) control the timing of that. With the new form that I purchased (didn't take it yet) I plan on taking it in the evening before bed.

I'm not sure if the timing (of taking that at night) is so great though .. 'cause I think it is supposed to be included with my other supplements .. after I take my iodoral (??) Am a little confused about that.

Thanks,

Glo

From: Carole Rains <organicgardner.rains757@...>iodine Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 7:07:39 AMSubject: Re: Niacin?

Glo,

Try the niacinamide form of niacin, it does not produce a flush.

Carole

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Glory <glonear (DOT) com> wrote:

I know this is a bit off topic, but since niacin is generally a part of the recommended companion nutrients/supplemen ts we should be taking while taking iodine, I thought it would be okay to post my question here. Not sure if anyone will have answers for this, but here goes ..

Beginning this past September ('08), I all of a sudden developed what I would define as "burn" flashes. When I describe my "burn" flash to other women who have gone through hot flashes, etc., they all said that it didn't sound like anything they went through. But, after talking with Dr. B, he thought it was some type of hot flash and added a different form of vitamin E to my regimen and tweaked a couple of other things. While the vitamin E .. after about a week or so, seemed to work .. it all came back. (Those "burn" flashes) I would get them once a day and I kid you not, I turned as red as can be.

By accident .. because I was sick with flu over the Christmas holidays, I realized that I did not (even once) get one of those "burn" flashes. That signaled to me that it was something in the daily supplements that I was taking that was triggering those. (I did not take any supplements at all for three or four days. I only took my Armour prescription. ) After googling all of my supplements, the only possible culprit I could come up with was the niacin. The niacin I take is from Dr. B's office and is a sustained release form. It is 250mgs. I also take what is called a Bio-B complex vitamin. Within the B complex there is an added 75mgs of niacin. So .. a total of 325mgs daily that I was getting.

The interesting/ confusing part of all of this is that I have been on the Bio-B complex "forever" while adding the 250 mgs niacin since last January '08 sometime. (I could not remember, I had to call Dr. B's supplement line and this is what they told me.) So .. how could my daily "burn" flash all of a sudden be caused by the niacin 9 months later?? It didn't make sense, but last Monday I did not take the 250mg niacin tablet. Low and behold .. I did not have the burn flash .. and have not since. I have not been adding any additional niacin supplementation .. except what I get in the B complex that I take.

So, my question for you folks .. is there a different form of niacin that I can take that won't cause this? I haven't taken that additional 250mgs of niacin for almost two weeks now. I wonder how not being on that niacin is negatively effecting my whole protocol?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thanks,

Glo

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Carole Rains wrote:

> Glo,

>

> Try the niacinamide form of niacin, it does not produce a flush.

>

> Carole

>

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Glory <glonear@...

> <mailto:glonear@...>> wrote:

>

> I know this is a bit off topic, but since niacin is generally a

> part of the recommended companion nutrients/supplements we should

> be taking while taking iodine, I thought it would be okay to post

> my question here. Not sure if anyone will have answers for this,

> but here goes ..

>

> Beginning this past September ('08), I all of a sudden developed

> what I would define as " burn " flashes. When I describe my " burn "

> flash to other women who have gone through hot flashes, etc., they

> all said that it didn't sound like anything they went

> through. But, after talking with Dr. B, he thought it was some

> type of hot flash and added a different form of vitamin E to my

> regimen and tweaked a couple of other things. While the vitamin E

> .. after about a week or so, seemed to work .. it all came back.

> (Those " burn " flashes) I would get them once a day and I kid you

> not, I turned as red as can be.

>

> By accident .. because I was sick with flu over the Christmas

> holidays, I realized that I did not (even once) get one of those

> " burn " flashes. That signaled to me that it was something in

> the daily supplements that I was taking that was triggering

> those. (I did not take any supplements at all for three or four

> days. I only took my Armour prescription.) After googling all of

> my supplements, the only possible culprit I could come up with was

> the niacin. The niacin I take is from Dr. B's office and is a

> sustained release form. It is 250mgs. I also take what is called

> a Bio-B complex vitamin. Within the B complex there is an added

> 75mgs of niacin. So .. a total of 325mgs daily that I was getting.

>

> The interesting/confusing part of all of this is that I have been

> on the Bio-B complex " forever " while adding the 250 mgs niacin

> since last January '08 sometime. (I could not remember, I had to

> call Dr. B's supplement line and this is what they told me.) So

> .. how could my daily " burn " flash all of a sudden be caused by

> the niacin 9 months later?? It didn't make sense, but last Monday

> I did not take the 250mg niacin tablet. Low and behold .. I did

> not have the burn flash .. and have not since. I have not been

> adding any additional niacin supplementation .. except what I get

> in the B complex that I take.

>

> So, my question for you folks .. is there a different form of

> niacin that I can take that won't cause this? I haven't taken

> that additional 250mgs of niacin for almost two weeks now. I

> wonder how not being on that niacin is negatively effecting my

> whole protocol?

>

> Anyone have any thoughts on this?

>

> Thanks,

> Glo

>

>

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Hi Glo,

The flush won't hurt you. It just takes you by suprise if you are not aware it can happen. Once I played a trick on my husband and gave him one before we went to bed. About three in the morning he woke up real nervous and it woke me up. I ask him what was wrong. He said he was having an awful fever just come up and he was sweating and all that. I burst out laughing nearly rolling on the bed. He made me tell him what I was laughing at him about. When I told him he just about would not speak to me for several days. I haven't tried anything like that any more, it is too upsetting to him or anyone for that matter.

Carole

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Glory <glonear@...> wrote:

Hi Carol,

I have already purchased just a " regular " niacin supplement. Not sustained release and it is not niacinamide. The niacinamide, from what I understand, is not necessarily a good form to take. I don't believe that I would get the results I am looking for with the niacinamide form.

I guess I won't mind the " flush " as long as I know what it's caused from and I can (somewhat) control the timing of that. With the new form that I purchased (didn't take it yet) I plan on taking it in the evening before bed.

I'm not sure if the timing (of taking that at night) is so great though .. 'cause I think it is supposed to be included with my other supplements .. after I take my iodoral (??) Am a little confused about that.

Thanks,

Glo

From: Carole Rains <organicgardner.rains757@...>iodine

Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 7:07:39 AMSubject: Re: Niacin?

Glo,

Try the niacinamide form of niacin, it does not produce a flush.

Carole

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Glory <glonear (DOT) com> wrote:

I know this is a bit off topic, but since niacin is generally a part of the recommended companion nutrients/supplemen ts we should be taking while taking iodine, I thought it would be okay to post my question here. Not sure if anyone will have answers for this, but here goes ..

Beginning this past September ('08), I all of a sudden developed what I would define as " burn " flashes. When I describe my " burn " flash to other women who have gone through hot flashes, etc., they all said that it didn't sound like anything they went through. But, after talking with Dr. B, he thought it was some type of hot flash and added a different form of vitamin E to my regimen and tweaked a couple of other things. While the vitamin E .. after about a week or so, seemed to work .. it all came back. (Those " burn " flashes) I would get them once a day and I kid you not, I turned as red as can be.

By accident .. because I was sick with flu over the Christmas holidays, I realized that I did not (even once) get one of those " burn " flashes. That signaled to me that it was something in the daily supplements that I was taking that was triggering those. (I did not take any supplements at all for three or four days. I only took my Armour prescription. ) After googling all of my supplements, the only possible culprit I could come up with was the niacin. The niacin I take is from Dr. B's office and is a sustained release form. It is 250mgs. I also take what is called a Bio-B complex vitamin. Within the B complex there is an added 75mgs of niacin. So .. a total of 325mgs daily that I was getting.

The interesting/ confusing part of all of this is that I have been on the Bio-B complex " forever " while adding the 250 mgs niacin since last January '08 sometime. (I could not remember, I had to call Dr. B's supplement line and this is what they told me.) So .. how could my daily " burn " flash all of a sudden be caused by the niacin 9 months later?? It didn't make sense, but last Monday I did not take the 250mg niacin tablet. Low and behold .. I did not have the burn flash .. and have not since. I have not been adding any additional niacin supplementation .. except what I get in the B complex that I take.

So, my question for you folks .. is there a different form of niacin that I can take that won't cause this? I haven't taken that additional 250mgs of niacin for almost two weeks now. I wonder how not being on that niacin is negatively effecting my whole protocol?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thanks,

Glo

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It's "No - flush" not flash. It is the histamine in your body that does that.

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Re: Niacin?

I had the BURN flash with a time release 500mg niacin tablet from Trader Joe's. I stopped taking it since the flash was severe, beet red, etc.Today I picked up some "no flash" niacin, 300mg capsules, from Whole Foods. I took one with lunch which produced a nice warmth afterwards. I plan on taking it 3-times/day after eating for awhile and see how it goes.>... Beginning this past September ('08), I all of a sudden developed what I would define as "burn" flashes. .... I turned as red as can be. > .... The niacin I take is from Dr. B's office and is a sustained release form. It is 250mgs. ....> So, my question for you folks .. is there a different form of niacin that I can take that won't cause this? I haven't taken that additional 250mgs of niacin for almost two weeks now. I wonder how not being on that niacin is negatively effecting my whole protocol? ....

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I have read that the different form of niacin in no-flush, although performing as the vitamin in the doses usually taken, is much more toxic and doesn't have the same pharmacological effects as normal niacin, ie; it won't lower cholesterol, won't lower homocysteine, and probably many other interactions are different. I think the difference is that normal niacin is the vitamin, and the no-flush is a metabolite of the vitamin that the body produces after using it for all of the above reactions, and still prevents deficiency as a metabolite. I would be skeptical that it would be interchangeable in the protocol as well. Have many others had great success with huge doses of it?

EllieOn Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

 

It's " No - flush "   not flash.    It is the histamine in your body that does that.

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Thanks for the info. I will keep you posted on how it goes with me. I don't plan on more than three caps/day though.>> I have read that the different form of niacin in no-flush, although> performing as the vitamin in the doses usually taken, is much more toxic and> doesn't have the same pharmacological effects as normal niacin, ie; it won't> lower cholesterol, won't lower homocysteine, and probably many other> interactions are different. ...

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I wonder if she doesn't mean to substitute the niacinamide for niacin. The niacinamide can be substituted for niacin in most applications and does not cause the flush or flash or whatever else one may call the hotflash which niacin itself causes for many people. But whether it would substitute in this circumstances is beyond my knowledge. Joyce Simmerman

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Niacin is in the ATP CoFactors product which is recommended for the Iodine protocol so it is OK to take them together.

Buist, ND

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I was wondering is it alright if I take the vitamin niacin at the same time as my iodine? I hope it won't block my iodine.toddles

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I was looking at the atp and with the niacin it mentions, that is not the flush free niacin, correct? does anyone notice any flushing with it? i have regular niacin here 100 mg a tablet. i haven't taken because of worrying about the flushing. diane, near philly, pa On May 14, 2011, at 5:35 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote:Niacin is in the ATP CoFactors product which is recommended for the Iodine protocol so it is OK to take them together. Buist, ND Niacin? I was wondering is it alright if I take the vitamin niacin at the same time as my iodine? I hope it won't block my iodine.toddles

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I take 500 mg of flush niacin .... sometimes I flush sometimes not ... tonight is a flushing night ... lol but she is right it doesn't last long and it is a good sign ... means improving circulation and detox pathways

JaxiOn Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> wrote:

I have taken the ATP co factors over the years. At the moment I take 100 mg of niacin three times a day sublingually. Sometimes I flush and sometimes I don't. Flushing is actually a good sign, so when I do get the flush I do not worry about it; it soon subsides. Kathleen

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I was wondering is it alright if I take the vitamin niacin at the same time as my iodine? I hope it won't block my iodine.toddles