Re: New Armour

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Armour Thyroid, USP was never formulated to be taken

sublingually - they were designed to be swallowed as are the present Armour

tablets - it was a happy accident that we found we could take them sublingually.

Just swallow them at least an hour away from any food or drink. It matters not

also that they crumble when you try to cut them. Our thyroid doesn't put out

the exactly amount of thyroid hormone at any particular hour of the day, so if

you don't get a good clean cut, take the rough dose and the rest later on.

Forest have had to reformulate the tablets because of problems with the sell by

date and this is what they have come up with - I understand it has been very

difficult for them to even come up with this formulation, and as they work for

me, I will not be asking them to reformulate them again. We have already

been almost a year without them and this caused tremendous worry. I am just

pleased they are all back again in all strengths. However, you are free to

write and complain if you feel they could do something - but do you really

think they will change this after all this time. You can take Nature Throid and

Westhroid if these agree with you better than Armour, but they are not designed

to be taken sublingually either.

InHousePharmacy I believe is fully out of stock. Most buy

their Armour from International Pharmacy.

Sheila

Just received

some Armour Thyroid (one grain) to find they are the new formulation. Almost

impossible to take sublingual and when it comes to cutting the tablets, they

tend to crumble.

I note that others have found the same problem.

On visiting Forest website to try and contact them to complain, I found they do

not make it easy, it would seem the only way is to telephone or write.

However I recomend changing to Nature Throid as they are better to take

sublingual, cut easily, even into quarters and are cheaper from Inhouse

Pharmacy with no extra charges for the One Grain.

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Hi Marg Here

I just gently bite them to start em off. I dont care as long as they work.xxxxxxxxxx

Margaret Harrickey

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009 15:31:09Subject: RE: New Armour

Armour Thyroid, USP was never formulated to be taken sublingually - they were designed to be swallowed as are the present Armour tablets - it was a happy accident that we found we could take them sublingually. Just swallow them at least an hour away from any food or drink. It matters not also that they crumble when you try to cut them.

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> Hi Marg Here

> I just gently bite them to start em off. I dont care as long as they

work.xxxxxxxxxx

>  

> Margaret  Harrickey 

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> From: Sheila <sheila@...>

> thyroid treatment

> Sent: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009 15:31:09

> Subject: RE: New Armour

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> Armour Thyroid, USP was never formulated to be taken sublingually - they were

designed to be swallowed as are the present Armour tablets - it was a happy

accident that we found we could take them sublingually. Just swallow them at

least an hour away from any food or drink. It matters not also that they crumble

when you try to cut them.

> . Almost impossible to take sublingual and when it comes to cutting the

tablets, they tend to crumble.

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>Hi all,

not been on the forum for a while but i wanted to ask if anyone else whos been

on the " new " Armour has felt that some of their symptoms are returning.

I ask because i got a batch in April and have been gradually feeling more

depressed as the weeks go on and my mental health has been fantastic since i

went onto Eltroxin and Armour so i'm really worried.

I also cant be bothered being around people and am very tired when i get home

from work and feel i have nothing left,energywise,to do things for myself which

bring me joy and thats not a good place to be.I really thought i'd said goodbye

to anxiety & depression but here we go again!!!

Is it a coincidence or not?

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Hi Cherwyn

If it's any comfort, should there be anything amiss with the new formula of

Armour, the FDA and the USP will be very quickly on to it. Forest would not

be allowed to continue to manufacture a drug that was causing such adverse

reactions and actually causing hypothyroid symptoms again. Has anybody sent

in a 'Yello Form' to the DoH. Anybody who has an adverse reaction to any

drug should do this, that is what the yellow card scheme is for.

You are absolutely correct in keeping all options open at this stage and if

everything else is in order and you have tried different thyroid extracts

(or at least, the old Armour) then you must contact both your doctor and

secondly Forest pharmaceuticals on your own behalf. What are the new

ingredients in this new Armour that could be causing the problem. I know

somebody has said it is absorbed better with some sugar - but not sure why.

Luv - Sheila

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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:26:51 +0100, you wrote:

>What are the new

>ingredients in this new Armour that could be causing the problem. I know

>somebody has said it is absorbed better with some sugar - but not sure why.

>

All that the QA person at Forest would say is that the dextrose had

been reduced and the cellulose increased. There was no explanation as

to why from them although there are various theories on lists.

It's obvious when you have it, it tastes like chalk instead of sweet.

Nick

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we have not had any trouble at our house on new armour...myself and 2 kids take it...the main issue is that it does not dissolve as easily or cut as easily as a result we may have had to increase our dose a bit since we dont get clean cuts all the time...but so far so good..crossing our fingers!From: christine99723 <christine.ak@...>Subject: New Armouriodine Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 10:33 PM

I feel great right now!

I finally thought I had everything straightened out with iodine and the supplements, even the vit C and magnesium which gave me 8 months of problems, a gluten free diet is what really helped me be able to feel good and make me feel i was finally on the right track with the iodine. I have felt better this summer then I have since I don't know when, years and years.

I have been reading about the problems the new Armour is causing people. I have one day left of my old bottle and am considering just asking for a new script for Nature-throid. My question is should I even bother trying the 180 new Armour and seeing what it will do to me or just toss them out and get the other. I have been on Armour for 23 years and am not ready to be a test case for the new formula or am I just over reacting?

Thanks for any advice from anyone, sure I have great insurance but I really don't think right now I want to have more problems of any kind.

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:52:40 -0000, you wrote:

>I have been taking old Armour since March. I realise the next lot I buy will be

new Armour.

>

>Has anyone any new formula Armour I could buy off them? I am using 1 grains at

the moment. If it suits me ok I will buy a large amount from IP.

I have a few left that you are welcome to, e-mail me off list and I'll

post them

Nick

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In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:29:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, circe@... writes:

I just had a TSH test done on "new" Armour 240mg and 100mg Iodoral. my TSH is .06

Gracia...how are you feeling on the new Armour? Is anyone on the new Armour feeling OK????

BarbF?

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I seem to be doing ok with the new Armour, especially since I stopped taking it sublingually but instead orally.  At first (taken sublingually) there was a noticeable difference in that for the first time in eons I was getting hot flashes like crazy.  I also experienced the start of hair loss again and terrible afternoon fatigue.  My eyes felt so heavy, it was like the eyeball no longer fit inside the eye socket!  However, since taking the pills orally and doing so at a very early hour in the A.M. (around 4:00 a.m.) so as to not conflict with breakfast or vitamins, I seem to be on track again.

Now, having said that, I just received my shipment of " Armour " as compounded by Bayview Pharmacy in Rhode Island.  We shall see how I do on these.  I am hopeful that I won't notice any changes.  I have no idea what my numbers may be.  I had blood work done not quite a year ago but the doctor ordered only the TSH and nothing else.  I didn't even care as I just wanted the prescription for what I'd been taking as that seemed to work.  I'm going to be seeing a new doctor in a month and I shall see what she has to say about blood work and what changes I might need to make.  The new doctor is supposed to be a holistic doctor but still an M.D.  My fingers are crossed that she can help me.  Ideally I would love to get weaned off any and all thyroid drugs and not be at the mercy of the government, Big Pharma, or the AMA.

GiniKMI'm not weird, I'm giftedThoughts become things... choose the good ones!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM, <Bbircie@...> wrote:

 

In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:29:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, circe@... writes:

I just had a TSH test done on " new " Armour 240mg and 100mg Iodoral. my TSH is .06

Gracia...how are you feeling on the new Armour? Is anyone on the new Armour feeling OK????

BarbF?

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I think I'm doing fine on the new Armour. I think feel the same, but I haven't

had any blood work, so it's hard to tell.

> Gracia...how are you feeling on the new Armour? Is anyone on the new Armour

> feeling OK????

> BarbF

> ?

>

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I haven't been feeling that great so I did the thyroid testing which

seems to say that " new " Armour is working. I thought my hormones might

be the problem but I am way worse off when I lower them. I only lasted

24 hrs on progesterone alone but maybe I didn't take enough. I missed

the estrogen. the only thing I am doing differently is taking fermented

CLO and butter oil chocolate cream flavored. maybe I need more

selenium--- I get 200mcg but I think it's selenomethionine.

Gracia

Bbircie@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 9/21/2009 10:29:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> circe@... writes:

>

> I just had a TSH test done on " new " Armour 240mg and 100mg

> Iodoral. my

> TSH is .06

>

> Gracia...how are you feeling on the new Armour? Is anyone on the new

> Armour feeling OK????

> BarbF

> ?

>

>

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--That is wonderful that you are feeling great! more often that not we hear on

these sites of everyones(including myself)problems w/mes,suppluments,etc. it is

encouraging to heare someone talk of ther progress,I don't get to see that very

often. in terms of sitching to other dosscated thyroid meds i think u will have

a problem finding them. i am currently on westhroid which is made by the same

company as naturthroid.i cannot find it anywhere in my town or i this country

for that matter. i currently have 1 month supply left and then my dr. has

written a script for my dessicated thyroid meication to be compounded at my

local pharmacy. some people have done just fine on the new armour

formulation,others have had problems.so i think it's a crap shoot,but i do think

u will have a problem finding any dessicated thyroid meds,unless it is

compounded at a compounding phrmacy.

good luck and glad to here your doing so well ,it gives some of us hope that we

too will continue to do better.

michelle

- In iodine , " christine99723 " <christine.ak@...> wrote:

>

> I feel great right now!

>

> I finally thought I had everything straightened out with iodine and the

supplements, even the vit C and magnesium which gave me 8 months of problems, a

gluten free diet is what really helped me be able to feel good and make me feel

i was finally on the right track with the iodine. I have felt better this summer

then I have since I don't know when, years and years.

>

> I have been reading about the problems the new Armour is causing people. I

have one day left of my old bottle and am considering just asking for a new

script for Nature-throid. My question is should I even bother trying the 180 new

Armour and seeing what it will do to me or just toss them out and get the other.

I have been on Armour for 23 years and am not ready to be a test case for the

new formula or am I just over reacting?

>

> Thanks for any advice from anyone, sure I have great insurance but I really

don't think right now I want to have more problems of any kind.

>

>

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In a message dated 9/21/2009 5:48:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gkmullaly@... writes:

However, since taking the pills orally and doing so at a very early hour in the A.M. (around 4:00 a.m.) so as to not conflict with breakfast or vitamins, I seem to be on track again.

Are you taking the same dosage?

Thanks.

BarbF

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Yes, same dosage.  I have been on, what seems to be a rather weird dosing schedule, but I guess it works well enough going by how I feel.  I have 30 mg pills.  I take one pill on day 1 and two pills on day 2; then 1 pill next day and 2 pills next alternating back and forth.  I have felt ok doing that but I suspect I could be a whole lot better.  I have not had any *real* blood work (free T3/4 or antibodies) done - maybe ever.  I don't know if any doctor that I've been to has done more than the TSH.  My health has not been " perfect " and I suspect adrenal fatigue.  Still, I've been grateful to have gotten Armour prescribed.

My new compounded 'Armour' - same dosage, arrived yesterday which I took this morning.  So far, so good.GiniKMI'm not weird, I'm giftedThoughts become things... choose the good ones!

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:01 AM, <Bbircie@...> wrote:

 

In a message dated 9/21/2009 5:48:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gkmullaly@... writes:

However, since taking the pills orally and doing so at a very early hour in the A.M. (around 4:00 a.m.) so as to not conflict with breakfast or vitamins, I seem to be on track again.

 

 

Are you taking the same dosage?

Thanks.

BarbF

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I have 2 bottles 60mg (one unopened one with a few missing) of the new formula.

Please email me if you want them.

Jane

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I have been taking old Armour since March. I realise the next lot I buy will

be new Armour.

>

> Has anyone any new formula Armour I could buy off them? I am using 1 grains at

the moment. If it suits me ok I will buy a large amount from IP.

>

> Thanks Judy

>

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Hi Sheila, I would like to buy some armour thyroid

For those of you who are trying to buy Armour Thyroid and unable to find a source at the moment, please will you contact me.

Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

>

> For those of you who are trying to buy Armour Thyroid and unable to find a

> source at the moment, please will you contact me.

> Luv - Sheila

>

Hello Sheila - I have been unable to get any so have ordered something called

Cytomel from Mexico - just hope it suits my needs!

Rayner

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Hi , Cynomel (the version of the US Cytomel) is a high quality T3 only med, so if you are used to taking Armour be VERY careful as T3 is extremely potent. > Subject: Re: New Armour> > Hello Sheila - I have been unable to get any so have ordered something called Cytomel from Mexico - just hope it suits my needs! > > Rayner> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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>> > Hi ,> Cynomel (the version of the US Cytomel) is a high quality T3 only med, so if you are used to taking Armour be VERY careful as T3 is extremely potent.> > Hi , you got there before me. , the Cynomel, like says, is extremely potent and contains T3 only and no T4 and is not equivalent to Armour. Do not attempt to replace this like-for -like or else there is every chance you will go mega hyper. If you need guidance then this forum will help you. You can order 'Thyroid' (Armour) from Value Pharmaceuticals. Go to 'Internet Pharmacies' in the Files section and look there. Or look under 'Armour' . This is proving to be a very good and safe replacement product for Armour.Ask Sheila L.> > > Subject: Re: New Armour> > > > > Hello Sheila - I have been unable to get any so have ordered something called Cytomel from Mexico - just hope it suits my needs! > > > > Rayner> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> > > >

[Guest guest]

For those of you who are trying to buy Armour Thyroid and unable to find a

source at the moment, please will you contact me.

> Luv - Sheila

>

Hi Sheila

Help! Am unable to obtain Armour Thyroid from www.internationalpharmacy.com

(have been using them for approx 18 mths) due to recent shortage and, although

they say they will be able to supply Nature-Throid shortly (which I'm quite

happy to try - or any such natural dessicated thyroid product) - they are

restricting purchases to 1 bottle (100 x 1 grain). I'd be very interested and

most grateful for any other sources of natural thyroid by mail order, but

without the requirement of providing a prescription, as my local (west country)

GPs and consultant endocrinologists stubbornly refuse to see the light (believe

me, I've tried!)

Many thanks -

[Guest guest]

Hi

You

can buy the Erfa (Canadian) 'Thyroid' from the following pharmacy http://www.valuepharmaceuticals.com/Armour-Thyroid.php

They sell generic Armour. It is

made by Erfa in Canada and is simply called ‘Thyroid’. On the on-line form just tick 'no

prescription required' and nothing more. They will accept your c/c payment.

This 'Thyroid' is very similar to the 'old' formulae Armour. You can also buy

the generic 'Thyroid-s' which also has an excellent reputation without a

prescription from the following pharmacies http://www.edrugnet.co.uk/showprice.asp?name=Thyroid-s & bysearch=ok & Go.x=12 & Go.y=8 Generic Armour - 'Thyroid-s' andhttp://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=thyroid & bysearch=ok & Go.x=0 & Go.y=0

Selling generic Armour. The

" Thiroyd " (note foreign spelling) works out at less than 10p per grain if you

buy the large tub (1000 tabs) . Some say the potency wears off quicker

than Armour so try spreading it out in 5 doses daily. Others have given it excellent

reports

Hope this helps

Luv - Sheila

For those of you who are trying to buy Armour Thyroid and unable to find a

source at the moment, please will you contact me.

> Luv - Sheila

>

Hi Sheila

Help! Am unable to obtain Armour Thyroid from www.internationalpharmacy.com

(have been using them for approx 18 mths) due to recent shortage and, although

they say they will be able to supply Nature-Throid shortly (which I'm quite

happy to try - or any such natural dessicated thyroid product) - they are

restricting purchases to 1 bottle (100 x 1 grain). I'd be very interested and

most grateful for any other sources of natural thyroid by mail order, but

without the requirement of providing a prescription, as my local (west country)

GPs and consultant endocrinologists stubbornly refuse to see the light (believe

me, I've tried!)

Many thanks -

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Hi Sheila,

I can't get any NDT from my chemist for months, so waiting for some

Generic Armour from 1drugstoreonline.com if & when? but have just run out :{ so

must take the dreaded synthetic thyroxin again after 5 years! Any spare Grains

gratefully appreciated,

Thanks Nigel

>

> For those of you who are trying to buy Armour Thyroid and unable to find a

> source at the moment, please will you contact me.

> Luv - Sheila

>

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Have written to you privately Nigel.

Luv - Sheila

I can't get any NDT from my chemist for months, so waiting for some Generic

Armour from 1drugstoreonline.com if & when? but have just run out :{ so

must take the dreaded synthetic thyroxin again after 5 years! Any spare Grains

gratefully appreciated,

Thanks Nigel

>

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