RE: Question About Flushes

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<< She endured natural(drug free)

childbirth, so I know that she has a high pain tolerance, but she tells me

that she would gladly endure labor everyday in place of the pain these

attacks give her.

>>

**************************

Hi, ,

Oh, tell your wife I have extreme amount of empathy for her pain. There is

nothing like it, as I'm sure many on this board are aware. I can also

understand your apprehension in doing the cleanse. I was the same way, but

as I studied many people's testimonials about the cleanse, I was less afraid.

Let me say that I followed Dr. 's cleanse to a T, and there was

absolutely no pain whatsoever. Drinking the organic apple juice is very

good. Tell her to eat very light for a few days, no bad fats, nothing fried

at all. Eat mostly raw veggies and fruits, drink lots of pure water, try up

to 12 glasses per day, sipping on it. Also, drink 1 quart of the apple juice

a day.

Please let us know what happens. Put a castor oil pack on her stomach. The

directions are at Gateway to Health, I believe. anyway, I get some warmed

castor oil and a cheesecloth, put it on my GB area, then put plastic over it,

then either a heating pad or a hot water bottle. The heat also helps a lot.

She may also need an enema. Let this stay on her while you message her foot.

She just needs to be very careful what she eats.

Please let us know how it goes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I've never had the slightest bit of pain during any of my ten flushes, and from what i've been reading, it's generally not the rule.

[Guest guest]

Hi --

I have to say, your wife's experience and mine are quite similar (I'm 25,

only one child, but have had several extremely painful attacks), and I

have many of the same questions. Also, I'm planning on doing a flush this

weekend, but was worried about the pain, etc.

If she's interested, you two can email me directly for support this weekend.

Best wishes,

Connie

At 06:31 PM 4/18/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>I have been lurking for awhile and I would like to extend a strong,

>heartfelt thank you to everyone! My wife is currently undergoing extreme

>pain due to gb attacks. The surgeon said that she had multiple

>stones(UltraSound) and that she should schedule surgery to remove her Gb

>ASAP. When we asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive techniques

>he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass gb stones.

>He was VERY cavalier about going in and removing her gb.

>

>History: She is 26 yo and we just had our second child(January). Several

>family members that we have spoken to that have had their gb removed report

>that they're actually worse off(except for the pain) than they were before.

>

>She has had two attacks that just last week. Each one starts slow and gains

>in intensity until finally she is curled up in a fetal position in tears.

>When I massage her gb reflex point on her right foot and hand, it eases the

>pain and discomfort, but when my hands begin to cramp and I stop, it comes

>on with a vengeance.

>

>We have started with 1/4 tspn Gran. Lecithin and 3 Milk Thistle Seed

>Extracts caplets a day. She has started drinking Organic, Raw apple juice

>and taking a natural laxative. We are looking to due a cleanse(flush) this

>weekend, but we're hesitant because of the frequency and intensity of her

>episodes. Has anyone had a stone become lodged when attempting a flush?

>Also, are the flushes generally painful? She endured natural(drug free)

>childbirth, so I know that she has a high pain tolerance, but she tells me

>that she would gladly endure labor everyday in place of the pain these

>attacks give her.

>

>Any advice would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks in Advance.

>

>

>

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: P

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:31 PM

Subject: Question About Flushes

> When we asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive techniques he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass gb stones.

Even if he is correct that people cannot pass

gallstones, that still leaves open the possibility

that the stones can be dissolved, gradually,

over time. My belief is that, if the body chemistry

is correct, any stones (or sludge) just naturally

erode(s) away.

If you present this idea to your doctor, he may

glibly dismiss it based on the fact that he's never

seen any such evidence, but, remember, that doctors

have no occasion to treat people who have succeeded,

and are providing services to people who either do

not know about that possibility or would not care

to discipline themselves to the strict diet it

would require to support their body in being able to

perform such a feat. Since he doesn't entertain the

possibility, he wouldn't be prone to prescribe any

such diet to anybody, either, so he isn't likely

to ever see it.

If a diet can eliminate the production of dental

plaque, cause any existing calculus to fall off the

tooth surfaces, and dissolve life-long accumulated

deposits in the joints and spine, leaving them

supple, and with a range of motion reminiscent

of one's youth, then, I think we can count on

its ability to, also, at the same time, clear the

liver, dissolve existing gallstones, including

the calcified variety, and prevent any new from

forming. The process is called "rejuvenation", and

I wouldn't go to a doctor's office hoping to see

it; so your doctor will probably be the last to see

it and believe it. That's his loss.

But, thankfully, his loss does not need to become

yours.

[Guest guest]

< When I first had a GB attack I didn't know what the hell was going on. It

felt like

that creature from Alien was going to pop out and I went to emergency where

I finally recovered after 6 hours

They gave me the drug toradol.

********************

Hi,

Oh, my goodness, is that all they gave you? I was begging for demoral and

was proud that that's what they gave me. In spite of the fact the pain was

horrible, I didn't give a hoot! I could still feel that awful pain, just

really didn't care. When we're in this much pain, the pain meds are

wonderful just to get us through this tough time. Normally I don't lean on

them, but I'll have to hand this to the medical profession, they can ease you

when you feel like if someone stuck a gun to your head, that would help

matters a lot. I know that my pain was so bad when I went to ER, that

beforehand, I had wished to die it hurt so badly. Well, I've heard from

others who have had GB attacks, severe ones, that a heart attack doesn't hurt

quite so bad.

*****************************************

They recommended surgery at the hospital and my first thought was I've got

to find out

everything I can about this. Thank God for the internet.

After some Ultrasounds my GP sent me to this surgeon and I had a lot of

questions for him.

He seemed really poorly informed about nutrition or the causes of the

disease and only

wanted me to be another cow in his endless parade of human cattle submitting

to his knife.

************************

I write>> Yep, this is the way they make you feel. I remember my $1,000+

encounter with the ER back in December. Of course, I don't have insurance,

and that just makes it worse. After my pain was settling down from the

shots, the ER doc wanted me to stay and have my GB operated on. Well, of

course he did. It puts a huge amount of funds into the hospital that I used

to work for. I worked in the business area of the hospital so I know 100

percent that he didn't give a care about me, per se, just their stupid quota

they were probably trying to reach. You want the name of the hospital? Just

joking. I'll give it to you in a personal e-mail, though.

When I told the doc that, no, I want to go back home and do my diet (of

course, I didn't tell him about the GB cleanse), he just mocked me for

wanting to do it naturally. His head was up his you-know-what.

*************************************************

This guy was a real assembly line doing 10 to 15 of these a day. He

listens to the cash register

not the concerns of his patients.

************************************

I write>> Yep, I 100 percent agree with you, whole-heartedly.

***************************************

Any ways I said no thanks and I will exhaust to the ends of the earth any

way possible to keep

my gallbladder and become healthy again. So far I'm succeeding >>

****************************

I write>> Well, you just hang in there like I'm trying to hang in there, the

longer that I can put those crooks off, I'll do so, Yahweh willing. I would

love to keep my organ that my creator gave to me, too, if I can. I hope that

we can do it and succeed.

Susie

[Guest guest]

When I first had a GB attack I didn't know what the hell was going on.

It felt like

that creature from Alien was going to pop out and I went to emergency

where I finally recovered after 6 hours

They gave me the drug toradol.

They recommended surgery at the hospital and my first thought was I've

got to find out

everything I can about this. Thank God for the internet.

After some Ultrasounds my GP sent me to this surgeon and I had a lot

of questions for him.

He seemed really poorly informed about nutrition or the causes of the

disease and only

wanted me to be another cow in his endless parade of human cattle submitting

to his knife.

This guy was a real assembly line doing 10 to 15 of these a day.

He listens to the cash register

not the concerns of his patients.

Any ways I said no thanks and I will exhaust to the ends of the earth

any way possible to keep

my gallbladder and become healthy again. So far I'm succeeding

Macdonald wrote:

,

----- Original Message -----

From:

P

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:31

PM

Subject: Question About

Flushes

> When we

asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive techniques

he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass

gb stones.Even if he is correct that people cannot passgallstones,

that still leaves open the possibilitythat the stones can be dissolved,

gradually,over time. My belief is that, if the body chemistryis

correct, any stones (or sludge) just naturallyerode(s) away. If

you present this idea to your doctor, he mayglibly dismiss it

based on the fact that he's neverseen any such evidence, but,

remember, that doctorshave no occasion to treat people who have

succeeded,and are providing services to people who either donot

know about that possibility or would not careto discipline themselves

to the strict diet itwould require to support their body in being

able toperform such a feat. Since he doesn't entertain thepossibility,

he wouldn't be prone to prescribe anysuch diet to anybody, either,

so he isn't likelyto ever see it. If a diet can

eliminate the production of dentalplaque, cause any existing calculus

to fall off thetooth surfaces, and dissolve life-long accumulateddeposits

in the joints and spine, leaving themsupple, and with a range

of motion reminiscentof one's youth, then, I think we can count

onits ability to, also, at the same time, clear theliver,

dissolve existing gallstones, includingthe calcified variety,

and prevent any new fromforming. The process is called "rejuvenation",

andI wouldn't go to a doctor's office hoping to seeit;

so your doctor will probably be the last to seeit and believe

it. That's his loss. But, thankfully, his loss does not need

to becomeyours.

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When I first had a GB attack I didn't know what the hell was going on.

It felt like

that creature from Alien was going to pop out and I went to emergency

where I finally recovered after 6 hours

They gave me the drug toradol.

They recommended surgery at the hospital and my first thought was I've

got to find out

everything I can about this. Thank God for the internet.

After some Ultrasounds my GP sent me to this surgeon and I had a lot

of questions for him.

He seemed really poorly informed about nutrition or the causes of the

disease and only

wanted me to be another cow in his endless parade of human cattle submitting

to his knife.

This guy was a real assembly line doing 10 to 15 of these a day.

He listens to the cash register

not the concerns of his patients.

Any ways I said no thanks and I will exhaust to the ends of the earth

any way possible to keep

my gallbladder and become healthy again. So far I'm succeeding

Macdonald wrote:

,

----- Original Message -----

From:

P

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:31

PM

Subject: Question About

Flushes

> When we

asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive techniques

he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass

gb stones.Even if he is correct that people cannot passgallstones, that

still leaves open the possibilitythat the stones can be dissolved, gradually,over

time. My belief is that, if the body chemistryis correct, any stones

(or sludge) just naturallyerode(s) away. If you present this idea

to your doctor, he mayglibly dismiss it based on the fact that he's neverseen

any such evidence, but, remember, that doctorshave no occasion to treat

people who have succeeded,and are providing services to people who either

donot know about that possibility or would not careto discipline themselves

to the strict diet itwould require to support their body in being able

toperform such a feat. Since he doesn't entertain thepossibility,

he wouldn't be prone to prescribe anysuch diet to anybody, either, so he

isn't likelyto ever see it. If a diet can eliminate the production

of dentalplaque, cause any existing calculus to fall off thetooth surfaces,

and dissolve life-long accumulateddeposits in the joints and spine, leaving

themsupple, and with a range of motion reminiscentof one's youth, then,

I think we can count onits ability to, also, at the same time, clear theliver,

dissolve existing gallstones, includingthe calcified variety, and prevent

any new fromforming. The process is called "rejuvenation", andI wouldn't

go to a doctor's office hoping to seeit; so your doctor will probably be

the last to seeit and believe it. That's his loss. But, thankfully,

his loss does not need to becomeyours.

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>>This guy was a real assembly line doing 10 to 15 of these a day<<

Since they tske an hour or more apiece, that seems unlikely. My surgeon

does about one a week.

Debra

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D B wrote:

> >>This guy was a real assembly line doing 10 to 15 of these a day<<

>

> Since they tske an hour or more apiece, that seems unlikely. My surgeon

> does about one a week.

The hospital in Winchester VA outs more than a dozen GBs a day, but the surgeons

work as a team . They hack out the first one about 7AM

and keep chopping until they get them all. They're still waiting on mine. I

tend to drive the long way around when going through there.

Don't get me wrong, though. The patients, mostly country people, are begging

for relief and willingly face the knife. Sadly, no one ever

tells them there is a better way.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

[Guest guest]

<< They hack out the first one about 7AM

and keep chopping until they get them all. They're still waiting on mine.

I tend to drive the long way around when going through there.

**************************

When I used to work at the hospital for 8 1/2 years, I know they would do

tons upon tons of them. The reason that I know is because I keyed all the

charges. Well, a couple of doctors would do them. It was a little hospital,

an affiliate of a large one. They had them lined up like cattle, roll them

in, roll them out. Those two doctors cleaned up, let me tell you. I'm sure

they got rich off those surgeries.

susie

[Guest guest]

>>no one ever

tells them there is a better way.<<

A better way for some. I am happy with my decision, but I am not

judgemental enough to call it " better " than others who have made a different

decision.

Debra

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Hi

I,m also new here but thought I'd comment. I understand exactely what

your poor wife is going through. After the birth of my youngest son

12 years ago I had an attack in the hospital. They told my afterbirth

pains but I knew it was GB. I was soooooo disappointed as I was

looking forward to having 3 meals a day delivered to me in the

hospital. LOL Anyway, I did the gastro route and was told to have GB

removed. Didn't listen.

I discovered Dr. Hulda and her book Cure for all Diseasesabout

2 months ago. I started with Cleansesmart from Renewlife, only

because I could get it at my local Vitamin Shoppe. After that, I did

the Paragone, also Renewlife and on the 5th day of that got my Zapper

in the mail. Zapped that night and the next day passed a 10 inch

worm. FREAKED ME OUT! Continued to use Paragone and zapped and passed

worms about 5 times in 5 weeks. Unbelievable, I know.

I did my first liver cleanse 2 weeks ago and got out about 400 tan

stones. No pain, was really not bad, except for the horrid epsom salt

taste, but after suffering with attacks it was really nothing.

Yesterday did another cleanse according to Dr. and this morning

passed about 60 green stones. I'm very excited about that and can

hardly wait for 2 weeks to do it again. I did get the ornithine

capsules and used extra light olive oil. It's not bad really. I think

the fresh grapefruit juice really makes the difference.

I think your wife should try the program. It's given me

tremendous energy and relief. Good luck!

Pat T

> Hi All,

>

> I have been lurking for awhile and I would like to extend a strong,

> heartfelt thank you to everyone! My wife is currently undergoing

extreme

> pain due to gb attacks. The surgeon said that she had multiple

> stones(UltraSound) and that she should schedule surgery to remove

her Gb

> ASAP. When we asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive

techniques

> he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass gb

stones.

> He was VERY cavalier about going in and removing her gb.

>

> History: She is 26 yo and we just had our second child(January).

Several

> family members that we have spoken to that have had their gb

removed report

> that they're actually worse off(except for the pain) than they were

before.

>

> She has had two attacks that just last week. Each one starts slow

and gains

> in intensity until finally she is curled up in a fetal position in

tears.

> When I massage her gb reflex point on her right foot and hand, it

eases the

> pain and discomfort, but when my hands begin to cramp and I stop,

it comes

> on with a vengeance.

>

> We have started with 1/4 tspn Gran. Lecithin and 3 Milk Thistle

Seed

> Extracts caplets a day. She has started drinking Organic, Raw

apple juice

> and taking a natural laxative. We are looking to due a cleanse

(flush) this

> weekend, but we're hesitant because of the frequency and intensity

of her

> episodes. Has anyone had a stone become lodged when attempting a

flush?

> Also, are the flushes generally painful? She endured natural(drug

free)

> childbirth, so I know that she has a high pain tolerance, but she

tells me

> that she would gladly endure labor everyday in place of the pain

these

> attacks give her.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks in Advance.

>

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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The reason I first got the idea to look for natural flushes that I could do myself, was because my father (who lives in Germany) told me that it is common practice there to flush stones ,rather than using surgery in every case. That was when I searched the net and found Dr. 's flush. So, how come doctors in Germany seem to believe people can pass stones, but doctors in the US and Uk don't ?

Bye from Jane. P.S. thanks to the people who have replied to my post the other day.I have also e-mailed Dr.Cabot for some advice on the rash.

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----- Original Message -----

From: P

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:31 PM

Subject: Question About Flushes

> When we asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive techniques he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass gb stones.

Even if he is correct that people cannot pass

gallstones, that still leaves open the possibility

that the stones can be dissolved, gradually,

over time. My belief is that, if the body chemistry

is correct, any stones (or sludge) just naturally

erode(s) away.

If you present this idea to your doctor, he may

glibly dismiss it based on the fact that he's never

seen any such evidence, but, remember, that doctors

have no occasion to treat people who have succeeded,

and are providing services to people who either do

not know about that possibility or would not care

to discipline themselves to the strict diet it

would require to support their body in being able to

perform such a feat. Since he doesn't entertain the

possibility, he wouldn't be prone to prescribe any

such diet to anybody, either, so he isn't likely

to ever see it.

If a diet can eliminate the production of dental

plaque, cause any existing calculus to fall off the

tooth surfaces, and dissolve life-long accumulated

deposits in the joints and spine, leaving them

supple, and with a range of motion reminiscent

of one's youth, then, I think we can count on

its ability to, also, at the same time, clear the

liver, dissolve existing gallstones, including

the calcified variety, and prevent any new from

forming. The process is called "rejuvenation", and

I wouldn't go to a doctor's office hoping to see

it; so your doctor will probably be the last to see

it and believe it. That's his loss.

But, thankfully, his loss does not need to become

yours.

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D B wrote in regards to my thought that it is better to heal an organ than to

destroy it:

> I am not judgemental enough to call it " better " than others who have made a

different

> decision.

Thanks. The gallbladder surgery scam is not going to withstand too much more

public scrutiny. I remember back when it was the " norm " to

take kids tonsils because they became inflamed. Tonsil snatching started fading

in popularity when someone finally noticed that 600 kids a

year were dying on America's operating tables. I'd like to think that someone

will finally tabulate how many adults live shortened lives

because they had vital glands whacked out of their bodies while they were

children.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

[Guest guest]

>>D B wrote in regards to my thought that it is better to heal an organ than

>>to destroy it:

>I am not judgemental enough to call it " better " than others who have made a

>different

>decision.

Thanks. The gallbladder surgery scam .........<<

You may have misunderstood. I had my gallbladder out after three years of

problems. That is the decision I am happy with. I do not consider this

better or worse than any other individual's decision. I encourage people to

explore alternative methods before considering surgery, as I believe that in

may cases the gallbladder can be saved, and that doctors are too quick to

want to remove them. I think doctors cannot know everything about

everything, and alternative things are not something they know a lot about,

however, I do not feel like there is some evil gallbladder surgery

conspiracy out there.

As for me, I am glad I put it off, and I am glad I made the decision to have

it out eventually. It worked for me, but I would certainly not try to say

that this is the best alternative for everyone. This list is a resource for

sharing information, not judging people's choices. I am happy that it is

here to help people trying to heal themselves. My reason for still being

here is just to be of support to people who have decided that they are going

to have surgery, and try to answer any questions they may have. I usually

answer questions off-list, so as not to stir up any controversy here, but I

am always supportive and encouraging of learning anything they can from this

list and trying other things first. If an individual, for whatever reason,

comes to the conclusion that surgery is right for them, there should be

someone who can be supportive of that also. I am not saying that no one

else on this list is supportive of that, for some are. Dale, for example,

with all of his knowledge and success, has never been unsupportive of anyone

who eventually chose a different course.

While I am on the subject, just as an update, it will soon be five months

since my surgery, and I feel wonderful. I have had no complications, and I

am so happy to be free of the pain and worry. I almost feel like I should

not be telling you that, but I have been on this list for a long time, and

thought maybe some people might be interested to know.

As always, I support and wish you all success in your endeavors to improve

your health.

Debra

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P. Gallstones can be passed!!! I'm living proof. I will do another this

Sat. eve.Look for Dr.'s protocol. Good luck,

----- Original Message -----

From: P <liquid_29@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:31 PM

Subject: Question About Flushes

> Hi All,

>

> I have been lurking for awhile and I would like to extend a strong,

> heartfelt thank you to everyone! My wife is currently undergoing extreme

> pain due to gb attacks. The surgeon said that she had multiple

> stones(UltraSound) and that she should schedule surgery to remove her Gb

> ASAP. When we asked questions regarding alternate, less invasive

techniques

> he was indignant and said that none work and that you CANT pass gb stones.

> He was VERY cavalier about going in and removing her gb.

>

> History: She is 26 yo and we just had our second child(January). Several

> family members that we have spoken to that have had their gb removed

report

> that they're actually worse off(except for the pain) than they were

before.

>

> She has had two attacks that just last week. Each one starts slow and

gains

> in intensity until finally she is curled up in a fetal position in tears.

> When I massage her gb reflex point on her right foot and hand, it eases

the

> pain and discomfort, but when my hands begin to cramp and I stop, it comes

> on with a vengeance.

>

> We have started with 1/4 tspn Gran. Lecithin and 3 Milk Thistle Seed

> Extracts caplets a day. She has started drinking Organic, Raw apple juice

> and taking a natural laxative. We are looking to due a cleanse(flush)

this

> weekend, but we're hesitant because of the frequency and intensity of her

> episodes. Has anyone had a stone become lodged when attempting a flush?

> Also, are the flushes generally painful? She endured natural(drug free)

> childbirth, so I know that she has a high pain tolerance, but she tells me

> that she would gladly endure labor everyday in place of the pain these

> attacks give her.

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> Any advice would be appreciated.

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> Thanks in Advance.

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