Re: Soy Article from Dr. Mercola

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Think Soy is Healthy?

Here’s Why it’s Not as Good as You Think

http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/21/soy_health.htm

By Dr. ph Mercola

Soy has gained the reputation as a health food, in large part,

because of the numerous health claims surrounding its products.

Interestingly, a friend of mine forwarded a pro-soy article to

me to refute and I was surprised to find my name mentioned in it

as “an ardent advocate of eating beef, chicken, turkey, ostrich,

and other meats.”

The article is What About Soy? by Robbins, who I believe is

one of the most avid soy supporters out there. He brings up

dozens of points, and even mentions me in the article, so I

thought refuting his article would be a good way to answer the

other critics out there as well.

Lowering Cholesterol

Robbins ascribes soy’s potential to lower cholesterol as

beneficial. However, while this may be helpful in some, it can

be certainly cause disease in others. Low cholesterol does not

necessarily imply good health. Please review some of the

well-documented dangers of low cholesterol if you are not

familiar with them

This is because we all need cholesterol and levels below optimal

can cause serious problems. Much of the hype about cholesterol

has been generated by self-serving research used to support the

massive profit structure of pharmaceutical companies supplying

drug-based “solutions.”

For example, I happen to have a genetically low cholesterol and

it has been as low as 75 at times. This is very dangerous and it

took me many years to understand how to normalize it and now my

cholesterol is about 100 points higher and a far healthier 175.

Robbins also says, “Soy beverages are cholesterol-free, while

cow's milk contains 34 mg of cholesterol per cup, which again

means that cow's milk is far worse for your heart and

cardiovascular system.” This is not a strong argument for soy,

as, again, we all need cholesterol--without it we suffer major

health problems. It is also important to realize that I do not

advocate drinking commercial milk, only non-pasteurized raw milk

if one is able to tolerate it.

Animal Study Circular Arguments

Robbins cites a number of studies to support the concept that

different animal species respond uniquely to soy or other

variables. No argument here.

But, Robbins uses a circular argument that doesn’t hold water by

giving examples of drugs that were safe in animals but dangerous

in humans. For instance:

“When the arthritis drug Opren was tested on monkeys, no

problems were found, but it killed 61 people before it was

withdrawn. Cylert was fine for animals, but when it was given to

hyperactive children it caused liver failure.”

This doesn’t prove the converse that soy that is safe in animals

is safe in humans.

Phytic Acid

According to Enig and Sally Fallon, soybeans are high in

phytic acid, which, in large amounts, can block the uptake of

essential minerals like calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and

especially zinc in the intestinal tract. This is one area where

I disagree with Enig and Fallon partially in that the phytic

acid in soy (and other plant products like beans, nuts and

seeds) may be beneficial or detrimental, it just depends.

For men phytic acid is probably very helpful as nearly all adult

males have excess iron as we never had menstrual periods. I

personally take a phytic acid supplement to lower my iron

levels. However, in menstruating women and children the phytic

acid in soy can be a serious negative.

In his arguments Robbins correctly points out that fermented soy

products have lower phytic acid than commercial soy products.

However, he does so as to contradict Fallon and Enig, but this

is exactly what they also state. They have no problems with

fermented soy products and encourage their consumption.

Osteoporosis

Robbins’ comments that people consuming soyfoods have reduced

rates of osteoporosis are a red herring as there are many

factors other than soy consumption that are far more powerful

influences on optimal bone density. I actually have a book in

progress in this area.

For instance, vitamin K is one of the most important nutritional

interventions for improving bone density and vitamin K2, which

is made in your body and also produced by fermented foods, is a

superior form. Fermented soy products may indeed be beneficial,

but the typical store-bought soy, like soy meat substitutes, soy

milk, soy ice cream and so on, will not produce this effect. You

can also get this beneficial form of vitamin K by making your

own fermented foods.

Cancer

I would never recommend or encourage non-fermented soy for

cancer prevention. However, you can certainly include fermented

soy as part of a healthy diet that contributes to cancer

prevention.

The exception here is if you already have cancer. In this case,

certain constituents from soy can certainly be used

therapeutically to help treat the cancer, but that is a

completely different application than consuming commercial soy

products.

Even Robbins admits that it is wise to avoid large doses of

isoflavones:

“When manufacturers of soy protein isolates and supplements

recommend that people consume 100 grams of soy protein a day

(the equivalent of 7 or 8 soyburgers), they are ignoring the

unknown effects of overdosing on isoflavones. I believe it's

probably safer, until more is learned, to avoid concentrated soy

supplements entirely.”

Birth Defects

At least one study has found that soy phytoestrogens appear to

increase the risk of birth defects by as much as 500 percent.

Further, soy formula exposes infants to very high levels of

hormones that can have negative influences on them as they grow

older.

The link between soy and birth defects does need to be studied

further, as this connection may or may not be true. However, the

uncertainty of the association in no way detracts from the other

arguments presented here and in other sources against the use of

non-fermented soy.

Alzheimer’s Disease

One study of close to 4,000 elderly Japanese-American men found

that those who ate the most tofu during midlife had more than

double the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease.

Similar to the birth defects and soy argument above, soy may or

may not increase the risk of Alzheimer’s, as more studies should

be done to truly prove this association. But whether or not this

is true does not make non-fermented soy any better to consume.

Soy Formula

This is the most critical issue in the entire soy debate, and

even Robbins states that “In my view, there is some basis here

for concern.”

However, because of his pro-soy stance he fails to document just

how bad soy formula is for infants. He mentions that “a major

study published in the August, 2001, Journal of the American

Medical Association found that infants fed soy formula grow to

be just as healthy as those raised on cow's milk formulas.” Dr.

Enig wrote a rebuttal to this study that is most helpful.

Aluminum

In his earlier argument on Alzheimer’s Robbins freely admits the

connection of aluminum to Alzheimer’s, yet he fails to

understand that soy has 11 times (1100 percent) more aluminum

than traditional formula.

Does that mean everyone should switch to regular formula?

Absolutely not as that is based on pasteurized dairy and is

fraught with its own complications. Robbins incorrectly asserts

“the anti-soy crusader Sally Fallon would evidently prefer that

an infant be fed a cow's milk formula rather than breastmilk.”

Nothing could be further from the truth. Fallon is a strong

proponent of breastfeeding, and if that is not possible

advocates using NON-pasteurized whole cow or goat milk

supplemented according to this homemade formula recipe.

Manganese

Soy formula is loaded with excessive levels of manganese.

The reason manganese is such a concern is that it can be toxic

in very high levels, even though it is essential for life, as it

helps cells gather energy. For instance, high manganese can

contribute to brain damage like Parkinson’s disease. The levels

of manganese differ considerably in different infant foods:

Breast milk contains 4 to 6 micrograms per liter (mcg/L)

Milk-based infant formula contains about 30 to 50 mcg/L

Some soy formula contain 200 to 300 mcg/L

Not Enough Vitamin A

Robbins in his defense of soy cites an incorrect fact: “Vitamin

A is plentiful in plant-based diets.”

Once again, nothing could be further from the truth. There is no

vitamin A in plant-based diets, only beta-carotene precursors.

While beta carotenes are essential for health they are not the

same as vitamin A, as that is only available from animal-based

foods. Vitamin A deficiencies can certainly lead to problems.

The Saturated Fat Myth

Robbins also says that cow's milk provides more than nine times

as much saturated fat as soy beverages, so is far more likely to

contribute to heart disease. This is another myth. Saturated fat

is essential for human health and not the evil that many portray

it to be.

Too Much Omega-6

According to Robbins, “Soy beverages provide more than 10 times

as much essential fatty acids as cow's milk, and so provide a

far healthier quality of fat.”

This is pure nonsense and demonstrates he has not done his

homework on fatty acid physiology. Yes, soy has essential fats,

but they are the WRONG type. It is loaded with omega-6 and that

is the wrong type for nearly everyone.

Around the year 1900 we consumed less than one pound of

vegetable fat per person per year, but by 2000 that had

increased to over 75 pounds of vegetable fat per year. Nearly

all vegetable fat is loaded with omega-6 fats and it’s the ratio

of omega-6 to omega-3 fats that determines ideal health.

Ideally, our ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 should be 1:1, but most

Americans eat a dietary ratio that falls between 20:1 and 50:1.

Genetically Modified Soy

Even Robbins capitulates here. How could he do anything but when

over two-thirds of the U.S. soy crop is genetically modified. He

says:

“According to Monsanto's own tests, Roundup Ready soybeans

contain 29 percent less of the brain nutrient choline, and 27

percent more trypsin inhibitor, the potential allergen that

interferes with protein digestion, than normal soybeans. I find

it fascinating that compared to regular soybeans, the

genetically engineered beans have more of the very things that

are problematic, and less of the very things that are

beneficial. To my eyes, this is certainly another reason to eat

organic foods whenever possible. The best way to insure that any

soyfoods you eat are not genetically engineered is if they are

organically grown.”

His conclusion really tends to support the bulk of my position

on soy:

“The hype has also made us forget something important. We are

eating soy products today at levels never before seen in

history. Advances in food technology have made it possible to

isolate soy proteins, isoflavones, and other substances found in

the bean, and add them to all kinds of foods where they've never

been before. The number of processed and manufactured foods that

contain soy ingredients today is astounding.

It can be hard to find foods that don't contain soy flour, soy

oil, lecithin (extracted from soy oil and used as an emulsifier

in high-fat products), soy protein isolates and concentrates,

textured vegetable protein (TVP), hydrolyzed vegetable protein

(usually made from soy) or unidentified vegetable oils. Most of

what is labeled " vegetable oil " in the U.S. is actually soy oil,

as are most margarines. Soy oil is the most widely used oil in

the U.S., accounting for more than 75 percent of our total

vegetable fats and oils intake. And most of our soy products are

now genetically engineered.

This has never before been done in human history. It is an

experiment, and should be undertaken, if at all, with great

humility, watchfulness, and caution. Instead, under the

influence of an almost mystical belief in soy's virtues, we've

tended to fall prey to an illusion that has haunted American

culture in all kinds of ways--the illusion that if a little is

good, then surely more must be better.”

Soy and the Asian Diet

Asians tend to live longer than Americans, and they

traditionally eat more soy than Americans. Thus, the link

between the two is one of the most widely circulated reasons why

soy must be healthy.

This theory is flawed, first off because soy in the Asian diet

is primarily fermented soy, NOT the highly processed soy protein

isolate, soy isoflavones and so on that make up soy in the

American diet. There is a huge difference in this respect alone.

However, although there are many reasons why Asians typically

live longer than Americans, I believe the primary one has

nothing to do with their soy consumption but rather with the

ratio of their omega-6:omega-3 fat consumption. The Asian ratio

is 3:1 while in the United States, as I mentioned above, the

ratio ranges from 20:1 to 50:1. Many Paleolithic experts believe

it should be close to 1:1 for ideal health.

Traditionally, the Japanese have eaten plenty of clean fish,

which is likely what contributed to their healthy fat ratio. But

we are already starting to see the longevity of the Japanese

decrease, and I suspect that it is due to the contamination of

the fish supply with heavy metals like mercury and chemicals

like PCBs.

Soy Industry

One fact that Robbins remains oblivious to is that the edible

oil industry is a multibillion-dollar industry that is in many

ways similar to the pharmaceutical industry. They have funded

much of the research to support a strong soy recommendation so

they can directly benefit from the increased sales of soy in

this country.

To Wind Things Up

Clearly many people seem to improve when they start to include

soy in their diet, but I don’t believe this is an argument for

soy. My guess is that this is likely more related to what people

have excluded from their diet to make room for the soy.

I want to reemphasize here that I am in no way opposed to soy

consumption, only improper soy consumption.

I firmly believe that fermented soy, which includes natto, miso,

tempeh and soybean sprouts, is a health food for most and should

be consumed by the masses. However, soy formula is an

abomination that has caused much damage to the children of this

country and should be immediately banned for sale in every

country.

For even more information on soy and health, I encourage you to

look through the links below and also to use the search feature

on this site. You will find numerous studies on the topic that

will help you to make an informed decision about soy for

yourself.

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I take thyroid medicine so I cannot take any soy products. Ivy son <dianaroars@...> wrote:

Think Soy is Healthy? Here’s Why it’s Not as Good as You Think http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/21/soy_health.htmBy Dr. ph Mercola Soy has gained the reputation as a health food, in large part,because of the numerous health claims surrounding its products.Interestingly, a friend of mine forwarded a pro-soy article tome to refute and I was surprised to find my name mentioned in itas “an ardent advocate of eating beef, chicken, turkey, ostrich,and other meats.” The article is What About Soy? by Robbins, who I believe isone of the most avid soy supporters out there. He brings updozens of points, and even mentions me in the article, so Ithought refuting his article would be a good way to answer theother critics out there as well.Lowering CholesterolRobbins ascribes soy’s potential to lower

cholesterol asbeneficial. However, while this may be helpful in some, it canbe certainly cause disease in others. Low cholesterol does notnecessarily imply good health. Please review some of thewell-documented dangers of low cholesterol if you are notfamiliar with themThis is because we all need cholesterol and levels below optimalcan cause serious problems. Much of the hype about cholesterolhas been generated by self-serving research used to support themassive profit structure of pharmaceutical companies supplyingdrug-based “solutions.”For example, I happen to have a genetically low cholesterol andit has been as low as 75 at times. This is very dangerous and ittook me many years to understand how to normalize it and now mycholesterol is about 100 points higher and a far healthier 175.Robbins also says, “Soy beverages are cholesterol-free, whilecow's milk contains 34 mg of cholesterol per cup, which

againmeans that cow's milk is far worse for your heart andcardiovascular system.” This is not a strong argument for soy,as, again, we all need cholesterol--without it we suffer majorhealth problems. It is also important to realize that I do notadvocate drinking commercial milk, only non-pasteurized raw milkif one is able to tolerate it.Animal Study Circular ArgumentsRobbins cites a number of studies to support the concept thatdifferent animal species respond uniquely to soy or othervariables. No argument here. But, Robbins uses a circular argument that doesn’t hold water bygiving examples of drugs that were safe in animals but dangerousin humans. For instance:“When the arthritis drug Opren was tested on monkeys, noproblems were found, but it killed 61 people before it waswithdrawn. Cylert was fine for animals, but when it was given tohyperactive children it caused liver failure.” This doesn’t

prove the converse that soy that is safe in animalsis safe in humans.Phytic AcidAccording to Enig and Sally Fallon, soybeans are high inphytic acid, which, in large amounts, can block the uptake ofessential minerals like calcium, magnesium, copper, iron andespecially zinc in the intestinal tract. This is one area whereI disagree with Enig and Fallon partially in that the phyticacid in soy (and other plant products like beans, nuts andseeds) may be beneficial or detrimental, it just depends. For men phytic acid is probably very helpful as nearly all adultmales have excess iron as we never had menstrual periods. Ipersonally take a phytic acid supplement to lower my ironlevels. However, in menstruating women and children the phyticacid in soy can be a serious negative.In his arguments Robbins correctly points out that fermented soyproducts have lower phytic acid than commercial soy

products.However, he does so as to contradict Fallon and Enig, but thisis exactly what they also state. They have no problems withfermented soy products and encourage their consumption.OsteoporosisRobbins’ comments that people consuming soyfoods have reducedrates of osteoporosis are a red herring as there are manyfactors other than soy consumption that are far more powerfulinfluences on optimal bone density. I actually have a book inprogress in this area.For instance, vitamin K is one of the most important nutritionalinterventions for improving bone density and vitamin K2, whichis made in your body and also produced by fermented foods, is asuperior form. Fermented soy products may indeed be beneficial,but the typical store-bought soy, like soy meat substitutes, soymilk, soy ice cream and so on, will not produce this effect. Youcan also get this beneficial form of vitamin K by making yourown fermented

foods. CancerI would never recommend or encourage non-fermented soy forcancer prevention. However, you can certainly include fermentedsoy as part of a healthy diet that contributes to cancerprevention. The exception here is if you already have cancer. In this case,certain constituents from soy can certainly be usedtherapeutically to help treat the cancer, but that is acompletely different application than consuming commercial soyproducts. Even Robbins admits that it is wise to avoid large doses ofisoflavones:“When manufacturers of soy protein isolates and supplementsrecommend that people consume 100 grams of soy protein a day(the equivalent of 7 or 8 soyburgers), they are ignoring theunknown effects of overdosing on isoflavones. I believe it'sprobably safer, until more is learned, to avoid concentrated soysupplements entirely.”Birth DefectsAt least one study has found that

soy phytoestrogens appear toincrease the risk of birth defects by as much as 500 percent.Further, soy formula exposes infants to very high levels ofhormones that can have negative influences on them as they growolder. The link between soy and birth defects does need to be studiedfurther, as this connection may or may not be true. However, theuncertainty of the association in no way detracts from the otherarguments presented here and in other sources against the use ofnon-fermented soy. Alzheimer’s Disease One study of close to 4,000 elderly Japanese-American men foundthat those who ate the most tofu during midlife had more thandouble the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease.Similar to the birth defects and soy argument above, soy may ormay not increase the risk of Alzheimer’s, as more studies shouldbe done to truly prove this association. But whether or not thisis true does not make

non-fermented soy any better to consume.Soy FormulaThis is the most critical issue in the entire soy debate, andeven Robbins states that “In my view, there is some basis herefor concern.”However, because of his pro-soy stance he fails to document justhow bad soy formula is for infants. He mentions that “a majorstudy published in the August, 2001, Journal of the AmericanMedical Association found that infants fed soy formula grow tobe just as healthy as those raised on cow's milk formulas.” Dr.Enig wrote a rebuttal to this study that is most helpful. AluminumIn his earlier argument on Alzheimer’s Robbins freely admits theconnection of aluminum to Alzheimer’s, yet he fails tounderstand that soy has 11 times (1100 percent) more aluminumthan traditional formula. Does that mean everyone should switch to regular formula?Absolutely not as that is based on pasteurized dairy and isfraught with

its own complications. Robbins incorrectly asserts“the anti-soy crusader Sally Fallon would evidently prefer thatan infant be fed a cow's milk formula rather than breastmilk.”Nothing could be further from the truth. Fallon is a strongproponent of breastfeeding, and if that is not possibleadvocates using NON-pasteurized whole cow or goat milksupplemented according to this homemade formula recipe.ManganeseSoy formula is loaded with excessive levels of manganese.The reason manganese is such a concern is that it can be toxicin very high levels, even though it is essential for life, as ithelps cells gather energy. For instance, high manganese cancontribute to brain damage like Parkinson’s disease. The levelsof manganese differ considerably in different infant foods:Breast milk contains 4 to 6 micrograms per liter (mcg/L) Milk-based infant formula contains about 30 to 50 mcg/L Some soy formula contain 200 to

300 mcg/L Not Enough Vitamin ARobbins in his defense of soy cites an incorrect fact: “VitaminA is plentiful in plant-based diets.”Once again, nothing could be further from the truth. There is novitamin A in plant-based diets, only beta-carotene precursors.While beta carotenes are essential for health they are not thesame as vitamin A, as that is only available from animal-basedfoods. Vitamin A deficiencies can certainly lead to problems.The Saturated Fat MythRobbins also says that cow's milk provides more than nine timesas much saturated fat as soy beverages, so is far more likely tocontribute to heart disease. This is another myth. Saturated fatis essential for human health and not the evil that many portrayit to be.Too Much Omega-6According to Robbins, “Soy beverages provide more than 10 timesas much essential fatty acids as cow's milk, and so provide afar healthier quality of

fat.”This is pure nonsense and demonstrates he has not done hishomework on fatty acid physiology. Yes, soy has essential fats,but they are the WRONG type. It is loaded with omega-6 and thatis the wrong type for nearly everyone. Around the year 1900 we consumed less than one pound ofvegetable fat per person per year, but by 2000 that hadincreased to over 75 pounds of vegetable fat per year. Nearlyall vegetable fat is loaded with omega-6 fats and it’s the ratioof omega-6 to omega-3 fats that determines ideal health.Ideally, our ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 should be 1:1, but mostAmericans eat a dietary ratio that falls between 20:1 and 50:1.Genetically Modified SoyEven Robbins capitulates here. How could he do anything but whenover two-thirds of the U.S. soy crop is genetically modified. Hesays:“According to Monsanto's own tests, Roundup Ready soybeanscontain 29 percent less of the brain nutrient

choline, and 27percent more trypsin inhibitor, the potential allergen thatinterferes with protein digestion, than normal soybeans. I findit fascinating that compared to regular soybeans, thegenetically engineered beans have more of the very things thatare problematic, and less of the very things that arebeneficial. To my eyes, this is certainly another reason to eatorganic foods whenever possible. The best way to insure that anysoyfoods you eat are not genetically engineered is if they areorganically grown.”His conclusion really tends to support the bulk of my positionon soy:“The hype has also made us forget something important. We areeating soy products today at levels never before seen inhistory. Advances in food technology have made it possible toisolate soy proteins, isoflavones, and other substances found inthe bean, and add them to all kinds of foods where they've neverbeen before. The number of

processed and manufactured foods thatcontain soy ingredients today is astounding.It can be hard to find foods that don't contain soy flour, soyoil, lecithin (extracted from soy oil and used as an emulsifierin high-fat products), soy protein isolates and concentrates,textured vegetable protein (TVP), hydrolyzed vegetable protein(usually made from soy) or unidentified vegetable oils. Most ofwhat is labeled "vegetable oil" in the U.S. is actually soy oil,as are most margarines. Soy oil is the most widely used oil inthe U.S., accounting for more than 75 percent of our totalvegetable fats and oils intake. And most of our soy products arenow genetically engineered.This has never before been done in human history. It is anexperiment, and should be undertaken, if at all, with greathumility, watchfulness, and caution. Instead, under theinfluence of an almost mystical belief in soy's virtues, we'vetended to fall prey to

an illusion that has haunted Americanculture in all kinds of ways--the illusion that if a little isgood, then surely more must be better.”Soy and the Asian DietAsians tend to live longer than Americans, and theytraditionally eat more soy than Americans. Thus, the linkbetween the two is one of the most widely circulated reasons whysoy must be healthy. This theory is flawed, first off because soy in the Asian dietis primarily fermented soy, NOT the highly processed soy proteinisolate, soy isoflavones and so on that make up soy in theAmerican diet. There is a huge difference in this respect alone.However, although there are many reasons why Asians typicallylive longer than Americans, I believe the primary one hasnothing to do with their soy consumption but rather with theratio of their omega-6:omega-3 fat consumption. The Asian ratiois 3:1 while in the United States, as I mentioned above,

theratio ranges from 20:1 to 50:1. Many Paleolithic experts believeit should be close to 1:1 for ideal health. Traditionally, the Japanese have eaten plenty of clean fish,which is likely what contributed to their healthy fat ratio. Butwe are already starting to see the longevity of the Japanesedecrease, and I suspect that it is due to the contamination ofthe fish supply with heavy metals like mercury and chemicalslike PCBs.Soy IndustryOne fact that Robbins remains oblivious to is that the edibleoil industry is a multibillion-dollar industry that is in manyways similar to the pharmaceutical industry. They have fundedmuch of the research to support a strong soy recommendation sothey can directly benefit from the increased sales of soy inthis country.To Wind Things UpClearly many people seem to improve when they start to includesoy in their diet, but I don’t believe this is an argument

forsoy. My guess is that this is likely more related to what peoplehave excluded from their diet to make room for the soy.I want to reemphasize here that I am in no way opposed to soyconsumption, only improper soy consumption. I firmly believe that fermented soy, which includes natto, miso,tempeh and soybean sprouts, is a health food for most and shouldbe consumed by the masses. However, soy formula is anabomination that has caused much damage to the children of thiscountry and should be immediately banned for sale in everycountry.For even more information on soy and health, I encourage you tolook through the links below and also to use the search featureon this site. You will find numerous studies on the topic thatwill help you to make an informed decision about soy foryourself. =====(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´) ¸.·'´)«´¨ Love, ** ¨`»(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`' ·.¸)¸.·´(

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Hey Ivy,

Low thyroid or Thyroid medication and no Soy?!?

Whats the link? Caution?

Please fill us in. Thanks!

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will not make you happy. What will make you happy

is the love coming out of you. That is the love that will

make a difference.

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Both. Soy inhibits absorbtion of Synthroid, the medication for Hypothyroidism; low thyroid. The link is: http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id

<dianaroars@...> wrote:

Hey Ivy,Low thyroid or Thyroid medication and no Soy?!?Whats the link? Caution?Please fill us in. Thanks!Love,=====(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´) ¸.·'´)«´¨ Love, ** ¨`»(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`' ·.¸)¸.·´( `·.¸`·.¸ )¸.·)´(.·´`*.*.The whole world can love you, but that lovewill not make you happy. What will make you happy is the love coming out of you. That is the love that will make a difference.~~~ Don Ruiz ~~~http://alternativehopeforhepc.comhttp://alternativehope.royalbodycare.com (membership discount pkgs.)***Free Audio Tape & Info Pak - Call: 877 367-9875***The Q2 Energy Spa - http://alternativehopeQ2energy.com

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OH MY GOD! What a crack up....they gave me the wrong link, it's the right place, wrong page. What's funny is that this page has something for poison ivy on it! Okay, I'll go back there and try to send the whole page. IvyIvy s <mrstwinkleberries@...> wrote:

Both. Soy inhibits absorbtion of Synthroid, the medication for Hypothyroidism; low thyroid. The link is: http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id

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