Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 This may be coming to and AOL, so we need to be careful of what we post. From: "" <wmm@i...> Date: Mon May 31, 2004 12:55 pmSubject: Copyright -on Delphi forums Notice to Delphi Forum hosts: Delphi admin are checking forums to be sure posts are within their copyright guidelines. Forums may be shut down if copyright is violated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Hi Sheila You might get an answer to this question if you ask on this forum as they seem to have 'experts' who know about UK copyright law. http://www.copyrightaid.co.uk/forum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Hi Sheila While I worked in Intellectual Property up to retirement, my involvement with copyright was limited to industrial designs so I am no expert on copyright in general. However, in registering with Talkhealth, I note that they did not ask me to agree to any restrictions on my use of the site. Their restrictions only come into play by virtue of their Terms & Conditions which I suppose we agree to by using the site - although that could be debatable. The relevant part of the T & C says is: _______________________________________________________________ Intellectual Property By submitting any information to talkhealth you are granting talkhealth permission to reproduce and edit in any format. At the same time you are also permitting any other visitor/member access and reproduction rights for personal use only. Reproduction of any of the materials on all talk sites in any format is not allowable without the express permission in writing from talkhealth. _______________________________________________________________ Note that this does not involve transfer of copyright from the contributor to Talkhealth. It only gives Talkhealth the right to reproduce so they do not have ownership of copyright in the text submitted. Moreover, the contributor gives any other visitor/member of the site the right to reproduce the contributor's comments for personal use. In other words, anyone can take the text of the comments from the site and paste them into a word processor for their own personal use. Putting those comments on the TPA site is unlikely to amount to personal use though. Because Talkhealth do not have ownership of the copyright in the comments, I would be surprised if Talkhealth would think it worth their time and effort to pursue TPA in the courts - but you never know so I am sure you'd rather not take the risk. Coming to the point you actually posed, the fact that they deleted some of the " copyrighted " submissions doesn't change the situation in the same way that, if I produce a painting and it is lost in a fire, I still own the copyright and someone reproducing it would still be infringing copyright. However, I might have a difficult job proving what the subject of the copyright is if it no longer exists and one of the things you would have to do in court is actually prove you have ownership. mentioned fair use. That may provide a way around the problem. Go to http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others which is a fairly straightforward summary. I think the " criticism or review " section potentially provides a way around the issue. The relevant section says: Criticism or review Quoting parts of a work for the purpose of criticism or review is permitted provided that: The work has been made available to the public. The source of the material is acknowledged. The material quoted must be accompanied by some actual discussion or assessment (to warrant the criticism or review classification). The amount of the material quoted is no more than is necessary for the purpose of the review. In other words, a criticism or review of a particular issue from the Talkhealth site would justify quoting the material from Talkhealth provided no more is used that is necessary for the purpose of the review. Just quoting the material verbatim wouldn't be good enough; there would have to be a review or analysis/criticism of it. Note also that the source of the material is acknowledged. It might be just as well to mention that any material quoted is being used here by virtue of the Fair Use provisions of UK copyright law. TonyC > > Can anybody give me an answer please. How can > anything be copyrighted if it doesn't exist anymore.? > > Luv - Sheila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Hi Sheila The overriding principle of copyright is that you don't pass somebody else's work off as your own. Therefore if you wanted to use anything from the forum as long as you cite exactly where you got the information from you are not in breach. Hope that helps. I don't think Talk Health would do anything anyway - spend out on a lawyer for something so contentious that would give the TPA all the publicity they could dream of? I don't think so! They showed themselves to be awful bullies didn't they? Debs x > > Hi Sheila > > You might get an answer to this question if you ask on this forum as they seem to have 'experts' who know about UK copyright law. > > http://www.copyrightaid.co.uk/forum/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Then I will not fight any copyright laws, too complicated. Instead, if I want to use anything that the 'experts' wrote, I will put it into my own words but say who quoted it. Thanks for this Helen, I really am grateful. Luv - Sheila As to the idea that copyright only applies if you try to pass work off as your own, I'm afraid this is not the case. You may not reproduce the copyright property of others, even if you give the attribution. A lot of people seem to think that you can, but legally it isn't so. I work with this rule every day (I am a moderator on messageboards) and the most we can allow people to post (from a book, song, article elsewhere on line, etc) is a brief paragraph, within the spirit of 'fair use'. More than that and it is breach of copyright. Wikipedia is one exception, as it is all public domain. Establishing what other sources are public domain can be difficult, unless the author has been dead for over 70 years. (When copyright expires). In this case, I don't think it will matter if Talkhealth delete the messages, they were still 'published' on their site and Talkhealth, according to the Terms and Conditions of that forum (which I have to admit, I didn't read) will presumably still have copyright on the posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 HI SHEILA I have just received a response from the government dept to say I will get a response in about 5 days.Once I get the response I can then add further queries to it. There is a phone number, but its best to get it in writing. I queried my questions in the past with the Government Dept and they make the laws. The WEBSITES for Government have changed a bit. Why do you think the time was not correct on their messages. My computer states the time as 16:49 but their messages were ahead of the time on my PC. ANSWERS PLEASE. Kathleen > > It must be situated in the UK because I telephoned them and it was a UK > number. > > Sheila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Glad to help - and I think paraphrasing is the best policy, yes. You're fine there. > > Then I will not fight any copyright laws, too complicated. Instead, if I > want to use anything that the 'experts' wrote, I will put it into my own > words but say who quoted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Kathleen, I can't answer, they may have chosen to use US time or another time from elsewhere. The only people who could tell you are the TalkHealth Administrators. I know I telephoned a number in the UK. How much ahead of time are their messages. We will wait and see what the government say about copyright. Luv =- sheila I have just received a response from the government dept to say I will get a response in about 5 days.Once I get the response I can then add further queries to it. There is a phone number, but its best to get it in writing. I queried my questions in the past with the Government Dept and they make the laws. The WEBSITES for Government have changed a bit. Why do you think the time was not correct on their messages. My computer states the time as 16:49 but their messages were ahead of the time on my PC. ANSWERS PLEASE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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