Guest guest Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Dear Carlene, Earth Clinic is very pleased to present our latest newsletter, offering the latest and most promising ideas from the Earth Clinic community. It is also our honor to welcome a few of the most knowledgeable healers and experts in folk remedies to offer their discoveries in alternative healing modalities. Earth Clinic is your community, this is your newsletter, and we strive to have it deliver the best in natural health and healing straight to your inbox. The international network of natural and alternative healers is a fairly close-knit one, but as you can imagine it's hard to get all of those voices heard without the sort of backing major medical companies provide themselves. So we would like to occasionally use this newsletter to let you hear from some important voices in the natural remedies community. One of the best is Adeha Feustel, a healer certified in neuromuscular therapy. This week we're bringing one of her studies to your attention, and hope to share more of her thoughts with you in the future. Today, Adeha addresses the importance of natural light for our continuing health, and widely shared concerns about artificial light sources. We'd also like to draw a bit more attention to a valued friend of the Earth Clinic website, Bill . He's one of our Contributing Writers, but as you will find in his article on the true root of illness, he deserves a much brighter spotlight! Artificial lights compromise health and immunity by Adeha Feustel Asheville, NC Many studies indicate that ordinary artificial lighting is not the benign substitute for sunshine that we have assumed, that in fact it has a destructive and even life-threatening impact on our health, raising stress levels and disturbing cell function. When we avoid the sun, we depend on artificial lighting. Yet those indoor lights distort the frequency spectrum of sunlight, altering the critical balance between the visible light frequencies and the invisible light frequencies at either end of the light spectrum (infrared and ultraviolet). Not only do we compromise our health and immunity by avoiding the sun, we endanger our eyesight, bone density and psychological equilibrium, and we wreak havoc with nervous and endocrine function. By so ignoring our biological mandate, we endanger every aspect of our function. By accepting artificial skewed-spectrum lighting as a substitute for sunshine, we unknowingly precipitate profound physiological effects with disastrous results, the causes of which are invisible to us, although glaringly evident in the available research on sunlight and health. Ott's Research into Natural and Artificial Light Ott got some truly stunning results when he studied the effect of variation in lighting on life span of a particular strain of mice bred for high susceptibility to spontaneous development of cancerous tumors. He compared the life spans of 2000 mice kept under various fluorescents versus those living under natural sunshine. Mouse life spans averaged 7.5 months under pink fluorescent lighting; mice under different types of light with increasingly wider spectral composition showed a progression in life span up to 16.1 months under natural sunlight! Lighting source Mouse lifespan Unfiltered sunlight (UV included) 16.1 months UV transmitting plastic (UV included) 15.6 months Window light (no UV) 9.4 months Daylight fluorescent (no UV) 8.2 months Pink fluorescent (no UV) 7.5 months (Note the lack of UV light is associated with a huge drop in lifespan! Also, window light without UV was still considerably better than even daylight fluorescents. Full spectrum artificial lighting had not been developed.) Ott considered this experimental outcome the most significant of all his experimental work, and concluded that the full spectrum of sunlight was as vitally important to the health of animals (including humans) as to plants. Of course 40 years after Ott's research, we are beginning to understand the vital importance of UV light in generating vitamin D in our bodies, and of the importance of Vitamin D in preventing cancer. We can supplement vitamin D now, to make up for not getting it from UV light. But many OTHER frequencies in sunlight are missing in indoor artificial light. What if each of those missing frequencies is critical to some vital nutrient in our body? ph G. Hattersley quotes Ott: "Every nutritional substance, medicine and drug," says Dr. Ott, "has a specific wavelength absorption. If those wavelengths are missing in the artificial light source a person is exposed to, then the nutritional benefits of the substance will not be utilized." (2) -------------------------------------Footnote: Ott's original research was done in the early 1970's. The research was repeated on a small scale by a few other researchers, but grant money for further research was refused on the grounds that light conditions could not possibly have anything to do with cancer! Anyone with a "genetic susceptibility" to cancer deserves to know about this study. Have you ever heard of it? Do you suppose that lighting conditions, if not the main variable in cancer experiments, should at least be controlled and standardized? Are they? No! (1) Health and Light, by N. Ott, 1973, pp 90-99 (2)"Full Spectrum Light: Energy and Health Builder" By ph G. Hattersley http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/FullSpectrum.html © Adeha Feustel. . Attitudes Towards the Naturopathic Approach by Bill Contributing Writer San , Philippines bt130550@... "Diseases are crises of purification, of toxic elimination" -- Hippocrates. I have a good friend who is certainly a clever guy. He's University educated with a Master's degree in Pure and Applied Math's. He's also pre-diabetic. We gather sometimes with other friends and we talk, sort out the world and enjoy ourselves. Sometimes our conversation turns to ailments and alternative healing and I can tell, as I watch him tip his third heaped spoonful of sugar into his cup of coffee, that he is very skeptical about alternative healing methods. In fact, I don't argue any more, he is a friend after all, so I end up just biting my tongue - hard. Here, perhaps, is the greatest example of the difference between training or conditioning by rote or accepted belief and beliefs that are fully realized by self-education and direct experience - using methods that are perhaps well outside the mainstream - and all achieved through using your own ferocious and honest curiosity to discover the real truth. I am not talking about math here, I'm just referring to many people's belief that the allopathic way is the only acceptable and proven way of medicine and healing. So perhaps an exploration of the differences in approach between scientific allopathic methods and alternative naturopathic methods is called for. Around 1900, the modern scientific medical approach really began in earnest with the final acceptance and introduction of the Germ Theory by Louis Pasteur. But there was another competing theory at the time - called the Terrain or Cellular Theory by Antoine Bechamp and it was a close-run thing between the two, but in the end Pasteur's Germ Theory approach towards disease prevailed. These two hypotheses were, at the time, merely competing theories on the nature and origins of disease. Pasteur was not only a chemist but he was also a rich man, an extrovert entrepreneur, who had powerful and influential friends. By contrast, Antoine Bechamp was a highly acknowledged and respected professor in Belgium, an honest scientist through and through, and a quiet and humble man. Bechamp actually taught Pasteur in his earlier years for a while. The difference between the Terrain Theory and the Germ Theory can perhaps best be summed up by these two simple quotes: Antoine Bechamp - "The primary cause of disease is in us... Always in us." Louis Pasteur - "Pathogens cause disease... Eliminate the pathogen to prevent the disease." There was much conflict between the two because of their competing theories on the origin of disease. Read the full history here. What Bechamp was essentially saying was that if you have a healthy body with a strong immune system, then this was enough to suppress the destructive pathogens already within your body, so build up and maintain a healthy body terrain, and if you are ill then you must treat the whole body to make it healthy again. Bechamp further postulated and proved through several experiments that the human body has a huge number of bacteria, viruses etc. already contained in it. It is a well accepted fact that there are more bacteria and other organisms in our intestinal tract than exist in the rest of our body. If you are healthy then these organisms revert to a symbiotic relationship that is both beneficial and healthy for the body -- but if your body terrain changes and becomes unhealthy (via toxins, unhealthy diet, lack of nutrients), then these organisms will be triggered into a physical and functional change of state - via something called pleomorphism - into completely different organisms that become parasitic, destructive and deadly for the human body. And what Pasteur's Germ Theory was essentially saying was that if the body is ill, then we must always regard the causative pathogen as an outside invasive threat and get rid of it with drugs, vaccines etc. In the 1920s, a brilliant microscopist, inventor and researcher called Royal Rife, with his high powered and unique bright-field microscope, discovered some interesting aspects about the nature and behaviour of disease: "Rife showed that by altering the environment and food supply, friendly bacteria such as colon bacillus could be converted into varied "pathogenic" bacteria. For example, Rife also observed that bacillus coli could in time be modified into the bacterial agent associated with typhus, and the process actually reversed. In Rife's words: 'In reality, it is not the bacteria themselves that produce the disease, but we believe it is... the unbalanced cell metabolism of the human body that in actuality produce the effect of disease. We also believe if the metabolism of the human body is perfectly balanced... it is susceptible to no disease.' This observation closely parallels is Carrel's earlier research at the Rockefeller Institute where he was able to control the rates and levels of infectious disease mortality among mice. Beginning with the standard diet he observed a corresponding death rate of 52 percent. By making specific dietary improvements he was able to reduce mortality rates downward to 32 percent, then 14 percent, and finally to a rate of 0.45 " -- Dr. Obomsawin Strange indeed that through the years from the 1930s when the Electron Microscope was discovered, no other scientific researcher ever noticed what Rife had seen with his own powerful bright-field microscope (light, prism driven). This is probably because the Electron Microscope (or dark-field microscope) had less magnification as well as the fact that it instantaneously kills any organism that is viewed by it, whereas Rife's own high-powered bright-field microscope did not kill organisms, so only the bright-field type of microscope was capable of actually observing the pleomorphic changing behaviours of these organisms. Modern microbiological scientific research has also always favoured Electron Microscopes in their own scientific research studies. Over the years, other educated researchers like Gaston Naessens (another bright-field microscopist and inventor), Virginia Wheeler and Tullio Simoncini also discovered the strange pleomorphic nature of pathogens. The strange thing and what must be acknowledged here is how Antoine Bechamp's Terrain Theory of disease ties in so closely with the more ancient healing systems of Ayurvedic Medicine, Chinese Medicine and Tibb - the Middle Eastern System. Bechamp's approach is every bit as holistic as these ancient systems - Heal the whole body terrain in order to fight off and prevent disease in the body. In his experiments, Dr. Max Gerson, who discovered a famous method of curing cancer using just a strict vegetarian diet, vegetable and fruit juicing, mineral supplements, iodine and coffee enemas, completed a most remarkable experiment. He connected the blood systems of two rats so that the blood of each flowed through the other - one of the rats had bone cancer and the other was a completely healthy rat -- and the results were nothing less than astounding. After only a few weeks, the rat with cancer was completely healed and the healthy rat remained healthy!! This is indeed confirmation that the strength and health of your own body terrain and immune system -- just on their own -- are easily enough to defeat and heal even bone cancer. So perhaps both Antoine Bechamp and Hippocrates were right after all. 2011 © Earth Clinic. . 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 , is there any way you can copy/paste the article into an email and send it to the list? That link requires you to sign up for their newsletter and I'm on overwhelm about email at this point and just can't do it. -- At 08:07 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote: >Today's Newsetter(June 22) from >earthclinic -- ><http://www.earthclinic.com/>www.earthclinic.com/newsletter.html -- is >about the best and worst forms of vitamin C, so would be helpful for >this group. It also mentions iodine several times in a knowledgeable way. > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 To follow up on my interest in BHT (45% increase in longevity???!!!), I did some googling and came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the risk. (In general I think it's best, whenever possible, to find nutrients in foods than to depend on chemicals.) Here's one report that seemed reasonable to me. http://truthinaging.com/ingredient-spotlight/what-is-it-bht On 6/22/2011 7:34 PM, clairewest wrote: Here it is, . I went to the site hoping I could provide a direct link to this issue, but just found the join page. I'm glad you will be looking at this as you would know better than I if something in it wasn't quite right. Sorry it's so very long. I was thinking I could drop out the history stuff but that had one of the interesting mentions of iodine. The BHT reference was also interesting. I remember reading about this maybe 30 years ago and actually taking it for a while, but always felt uncertain about it because for so long I had thought of it as a probably toxic chemical added to factory foods for preservation. I may take a second look at that one. Vitamin C History As far back in history as 1747, a ish physician called Lind discovered through a simple experiment that, by taking lime or lemon juice every day, British sailors avoided contracting scurvy. He didn't know why this was, but from that point on, all the British Navy started issuing daily rations of lime juice, which is probably how the nickname "Limey" originated for Brits in the old days. Two hundred years later, a Hungarian called Albert Szent-Gyorgyi actually discovered Vitamin C and got a Nobel Prize for his efforts in 1937. An interesting and active man, during WW 2 Szent-Gyorgyi was a key member of the Hungarian resistance. Adolf Hitler himself issued a direct order for his arrest. After the war Szent-Gyorgyi's research interests moved towards studying the effects of free-radical damage as a reason for cancer onset. Another interesting fact about Szent-Gyorgi was that he always supplemented at least 1 gram of Potassium Iodide every day - that's 1000 mgs of KI (which is about 8000 times higher than the current RDA for iodine). He lived to the age of 93. In those days, people had no fear of iodine supplementation. A well-know protégé and supporter of Szent-Gyorgi's work, Ralph Moss, has since carried on his wonderful research work. Later research by Dr Denham Harman enabled more understanding on the dangerous effects of free-radicals on the body to further enhance the work of Albert Szent-Gyorgyi. Harman's essential discovery and proof was that anti-oxidants like Vitamin A, C & D actually help to extend human life by eliminating free-radical damage. But something that was always ignored by peer reviewed writings on Dr Harman's research was the fact that he regarded BHT(Butylated Hydroxytoluene) as a super anti-oxidant. He also discovered other conclusive facts from his anti-oxidant research along the way that have been completely and conveniently ignored for years by organizations such as the FDA and WHO: "In 1961, Harman published a study showing that the degree of polyunsaturation in fats had a dramatic effect on cancer rates in mice. The most highly polyunsaturated dietary fats [vegetable oils] were found to be the most carcinogenic. In 1968 Harman published a dietary antioxidant study showing that the food preservative BHT fed over a lifetime to mice produced a 45% increase in life span. Harman became concerned that although many of his studies showed an increase in average lifespan by antioxidants, none showed an increase in maximum life span." -- Source -- Wikipedia Then came Mathias Rath's and Linus ing's research on the usage and correct dosages of Vitamin C which broke so much new ground - this research consequently gave birth to the well-known Orthomolecular Medicine movement, whose approach was to use natural nutritive methods at correct dosages discovered through intensive research in order to alleviate and cure disease. They both went on to discover the usefulness of high dose Vitamin C (as Ascorbate) and high dose Lysine - a simple amino acid protein pre-cursor -- as a very simple cure and preventative for heart disease, arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure etc. It was found that Vitamin C simply acted to remove the actual arterial plaque blockages while the Lysine removed the Lipoprotein(a) or Lp(a) from the blood in order to stop the plaque reforming again. In talking about arteriosclerosis, ing always liked to refer to this problem simply as "arterial scurvy" in order to drive his point home about the importance of correct dosages of Vitamin C in the human diet. And, when natural epigallocatechins (green tea tannins) were added to the vitamin C and Lysine protocol, this treatment would stop cancer tumor growth, prevent angiogenesis, and also help to prevent metastasis. Few people know about the ing-Rath research because the drug industry has done its utmost to suppress or spoil this vital research information for years. Ted from Bangkok has also recommended the use of larger dose Vitamin C with larger dose Lysine (sometimes combined with aspirin), which can help to cure some strains of ordinary flu as well as H1N1. He also recommends this as part of his cure protocol for cancer and as a cure for chlamydia, herpes, pneumonia and dengue fever. The simple point I am making here is that Vitamin C is far more than just an anti-oxidant. What comes out from all the independent research is that Vitamin C is also a vital ingredient for building or repairing collagen or body tissue; Vit C supports and greatly aids and boosts the immune system; Vit C can chelate and remove dangerous heavy metals from the body; it also greatly helps in accelerating cross cell-wall nutrient transport and absorption of nutrients. This is why, for instance, Vitamin C should always be taken with iodine supplementation - Vitamin C simply accelerates the absorption of iodine, overcoming any iodine transport problems - which is not only useful for thyroid problems but is also used in every other iodine cell receptor in the human body as well. Correct Vitamin C Dosages The current recommended daily RDA for Vitamin C is about 75 mgs. In his own research on Vitamin C, ing mentions that humans, apes, bats and guinea pigs cannot produce their own Vitamin C internally because they lack one vital liver enzyme - so they have to get their Vitamin C from an external food source. However, cows, horses, goats, dogs and cats and many other mammals all produce their Vitamin C internally simply by metabolizing glucose into Vitamin C in their livers. ing further goes on to say that just a small goat automatically and internally produces 12 grams of vitamin C on average per day and in times of stress can up that amount to 18 grams a day. Cows, horses and goats rarely, if ever, get heart disease or cancer. So now how do 12 grams of Vitamin C produced automatically and naturally everyday in a small goat stack up against the RDA Vitamin C dose of 75 mgs recommended for humans? I personally take 1000 - 3000 mgs of Vitamin C every day (much more if I'm ill). I also make sure that I eat plenty of fruit - mangoes, melons, apples, oranges etc - on a daily basis. Thus I get the benefit of Vitamin C as ascorbate but I also benefit from the fruit, which contains the added benefit of bio-available Vitamin C co-factors such as bio-flavonoids, ascorbinogens, rutin and tyrosinase as well as many mineral co-factors that also work as associated enzymes to further enhance Vitamin C's positive effects on the body. Linus ing regularly took about 8 - 10 grams of Vitamin C (sometimes twice as much as this) per day for years and years and he died at the ripe old age of 93. When Should I Take Vitamin C? Lastly, you can take Vitamin C, which is a water soluble vitamin, either during mealtimes or outside mealtimes. But, as Linus ing proved from his own research, if you take Vitamin C at mealtimes then you will automatically lose 1/3 of your dose through normal intestinal excretion. So if you take Vitamin C - it's always best to take the ascorbate or alkaline form outside mealtimes - your body will simply absorb more of the Vitamin C dosage and you will thus get a much greater benefit. The other oily vitamins such as Vitamins A, D, E and K should all be taken at mealtimes for proper digestion and emulsification by the pancreatic lipase enzymes and bile respectively. What Supplement Form is the Best? This section applies to all vitamins, minerals and amino acid supplement forms that you can buy - not just to Vitamin C. Let's go through these one by one: Tablet Forms I would avoid this supplement form for the following reasons: This form contains many caking additives (to form the tablet) such as Calcium Diphosphate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, plant cellulose etc. Some people are even allergic to some of these caking substances. The waxy, hard tablet forms will not be easy to break down and digest in the body. To test this - just drop the tablet into a glass of water with a little vinegar. If it doesn't dissolve into solution in about 20 minutes. - the tablet is useless. Caking agents are waxy, sticky substances that help form the tablet. This wax will also tend to embed and trap the nutrient supplement in the wax, which will then not be absorbed by the intestine. The best way to take tablets is to first crush them up using a mortar and pestle and then to dissolve the powder in a glass of water. Note that the water will look opaque and unclear due to the heavy presence of these waxy and insoluble caking residues. Multivitamins In my opinion, this is the worst possible supplement form of all to take. All the disadvantages that apply to the tablet form also apply to the multivitamin form. But I would also add these disadvantages as well: Multivitamin forms always contain lesser amounts of vitamins, minerals and amino acids than even the RDA. This is because it would be physically impossible to put all the correct RDA dosages for vitamins, minerals and amino acids into one multivitamin pill. If you did, the pill would probably be bigger than a ping pong ball!! That's why I think the multivitamin concept - all beneficial daily nutrients in one pill - is so utterly ridiculous. Minerals such as Iron, Zinc, Magnesium, Manganese and Calcium, for example, are all combined into one multivit pill. All these minerals, when taken in the wrong form, are mutually antagonistic and will compete for absorption pathways in the intestines. No use at all. Many multivitamin forms contain various synthetic (patented) minerals, vitamins and amino acids etc. These forms are not handled in the body as well as the natural more bio-available food forms. Such multivit forms are usually also more expensive because they contain these synthetic, patented nutrient forms. I read an interesting article awhile ago written in an alternative health magazine. The journalist went to a sewage works to interview the sewage manager. During the interview the manager happened to mention that every day, whenever he went out to inspect the human sewage - he would see hundreds and hundreds of multi-coloured pills in the sludge - multivitamin pills - all undissolved. Liquid Tonics, Dissolvable (fizzy) and Chewable Forms I wouldn't trust these forms because, generally, they will include additives such as aspartame, flavourings, high fructose corn syrup or sugar and other additives to make them taste better. Also, the liquid tonic form will have a greater tendency to oxidize in the sunlight. Avoid. Capsule Form These should contain just the powdered herb, mineral or vitamin and nothing else - no additives or caking agents etc. This powder should be contained in an enteric-coated capsule. This form is OK - my number 2 choice. Powdered Form My top choice. This is the best form if you can get it - no additives or preservatives or caking agents. When I first bought my powdered Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) and dissolved the dose in a glass of water with some baking soda powder to convert it to ascorbate - after the fizz - it was crystal clear, just like a simple glass of water. © 2011 Earth Clinic. . Caution: Is There an Excitotoxin in Your Supplement? by P. Kray, Senior Editor Published: June 22, 2011 We like Vitamin C for a lot of things, from prevention to post-infection treatment. That's why we're concerned about the popularity of certain hyped Vitamin C products. A natural cold and flu remedy would be great, but what sort of extra baggage is hitching a ride on these packs of Vitamin C supplements? Turns out, a pair of unnecessary ingredients, aspartic acid (or asparagine) and sucralose, are often tagging along. You may have to look into the fine print of the ingredients list, but you'll be surprised at how often they show up. L-aspartic acid is one of our non-essential amino acids. The body makes it, so we don't need to get it from our diets. We definitely need it for energy creation, nerve function, and a host of other bodily activities. But like most good things, too much can be bad. In excess, aspartic acid becomes an excitotoxin, revving the neurons and nervous system up so high that nerve damage can be a result. In effect, excitotoxins cause our neurons to die from excitement! In fact, if the facts behind Aspartame make you uncomfortable, aspartic acid is a large part (40%) of the reason. In our bodies, this artificial sweetener breaks down into phenylalanine, methanol, and aspartic acid. Methanol is just plain toxic, but the overdose of amino acids can likewise do great harm. Sucralose (Splenda) is of course much the same thing as Aspartame-an artificial sweetener. This one mostly passes out of the body without being metabolized, but some 15-20% does not pass out of the body immediately. Since sucralose is an organochloride (an organic chlorine compound), many of us are justifiably concerned about the possibility of introducing free chlorine molecules into our bloodstream and tissues. Makes you nostalgic for good old belly-expanding glucose! Since the liver can produce aspartic acid whenever bodily levels are low, we never experience true aspartic acid deficiencies, so there is no need to get it through supplements. Easy then, we won't take aspartic acid supplements. That is, unless we don't know it's there in our other supplements! Now, weight lifting supplements often contain aspartic acid along with a medley of the other amino acids, so there is an issue there. However, for the Earth Clinic community we're more concerned about products like Ester-C (the brand) and Emergen-C, both of which add aspartic acid to their Vitamin C supplements. Just check out the Other Ingredients on the fine print on this ingredients list to see for yourself. Products advertised as energy boosters frequently contain aspartic acid, as do whey powder products. Airborne and Super C Vitamin C products do not seem to use aspartic acid (please do not read that as a general endorsement); however, Airborne and Super C do contain sucralose as a sweetener, as do FRS Healthy Energy products. Additionally, you're likely to find aspartic acid in these products: Various collagen formulas Bragg Liquid Aminos Many potassium-magnesium supplements Many folic acid tablets Many lipoic acid supplements Many Nature's Plus products Some Solgar vitamin supplements Some Nutritech supplements Now, plenty of foods naturally contain aspartic acid as well, and the body is happy to find it there. It is nature-made, not man-made (unlike sucralose). We don't want to alarm anyone, just let you know what you're potentially putting in your body. Toxic levels of this amino acid are definitely possible, so take a look at your supplement labels and make the best choice for your own health. The following Earth Clinic reader contributions (and a note from Ted) should help you make the decision that is right for you. Vitamin C and Excitotoxins from Seattle, WA writes: "I was fighting a sinus infection last week after landing in California and went to a Whole Foods to get some Vitamin C. I decided to get Emergen-C to add to water because it had a really tempting fruity flavor. Immediately after taking my first packet (which was delicious), I felt a weird sensation in my head and then I got really edgy (as in bad mood edgy). I read the ingredients on the box and sure enough, the vitamin C used in this brand is Aspartic acid, an excitotoxin. The Emergen-C also contained "natural flavors", aka MSG. I waited 24 hours and tried again to see if I would have the same side effects. Again, within a minute of drinking the packet, I got the same sensation in my head. My question is, are you doing more good or harm to the body when you take this form of vitamin c?!!" Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Aspartic acid is a well known excitotoxin and so is monosodium glutamate or MSG. In the long run it's going to destroy the immune system through a neurodegenerative disorder. Once the excitotoxin is destroyed the immune system is down. Now in a pharmaceutical formulation adding this results in the need to take that since you get sicker and so you might feel some relief, the long term is it's going to make a person sicker, which result in greater sales for product with excitotoxins added. Now imagine a child who is a borderline autism, ADHD, these can result in many other neurodegenerative disorders and metabolic acidosis. As for me decades ago I took accidentally soft drinks with aspartame resulting in deafness, but also a permanent partial macular degeneration of the eyes. So the systematic destruction is almost wholesale if given long term use. Luckily Emergen C is not sold in Thailand, although some friends of mine have given me this, I don't take it. I prefer to buy bulk vitamin C and mix them myself. There are other excitotoxins, but aspartic acid, aspartame, monosodium glutamate, and glutamic acid are the most well known... Therefore most effervescent products sometimes they are not labeled so I ended up calling the factory sometimes. One easy way to measure excitotoxin poisoning is that the urinary pH suddenly become very acid, such as pH 5.5 or lower and even taking more baking soda barely raise the pH long enough to be satisfactory. Such as it can't raise the pH for the entire day. It also takes weeks for the pH to be near normal after taking b complex and baking soda for a week or two. A long term taking of this can also resulted in higher urinary sugar and damaged pancreas, besides damaging the brain. One of the worse advertisement I have seen is J. Fox supporting Diet Pepsi, which contains aspartame, and he himself has Parkinson's disease, which will make such conditions much worse. The remedy is not to take aspartame for Parkinson's disease or to undergo stem cells, since it's not yet legal at the moment and stem cell research has been blocked for at least 8 years. Methylene blue taken at 2 drops at 0.1% concentration might reverse some of the effects of excitotoxins as it is one of my remedies for Parkinson's disease also. Taking excitotoxins is a long term damage that may lead to degenerative disorders, metabolic acidosis, and lowered immune system. Therefore I would avoid them as best as I can. Ted" Supplements Brought on Rage Wes from Webster, TX writes: "I'm 220 and work out almost everyday. I started taking 2000mg of vitamin C. Ester C tablets. A few days later I noticed I was very easily enraged. I did this for about 4 weeks and decided it wasn't worth it. I recently started taking and animal pack vitamin package. After taking for several days I noticed the same effect. Read the ingredient 2000 mg Vitamin C. So I stopped taking it. Is there anyway to counteract the aggressiveness. IE some other vitamin." replies: "This afternoon, I visited your site and noted a comment by a reader who said that Ester C made him enraged. It's not the Vitamin C, it's the aspartic acid in the Ester C product. I verified this with an aspartame activist. Aspartic acid is an excitotoxin, a poison that kills brain cells. Yep, it's the same stuff as in aspartame. All of the studies done on Vitamin C were done with sodium ascorbate, which is a type of chemically buffered Vitamin C. It's best to take it as a powder in water, because you can get gastritis if you take too many pills." On 6/22/2011 6:59 PM, B wrote: , is there any way you can copy/paste the article into an email and send it to the list? That link requires you to sign up for their newsletter and I'm on overwhelm about email at this point and just can't do it. -- At 08:07 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote: >Today's Newsetter(June 22) from >earthclinic -- ><http://www.earthclinic.com/>www.earthclinic.com/newsletter.html -- is >about the best and worst forms of vitamin C, so would be helpful for >this group. It also mentions iodine several times in a knowledgeable way. > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Yes, , I wouldn't touch BHT myself. The article could be disputed on several statements, and I may post about it, but now short of time. --V >To follow up on my interest in BHT (45% increase in longevity???!!!), I >did some googling and came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the >risk. (In general I think it's best, whenever possible, to find nutrients >in foods than to depend on chemicals.) Here's one report that seemed >reasonable to >me. ><http://truthinaging.com/ingredient-spotlight/what-is-it-bht>http://truthinagin\ g.com/ingredient-spotlight/what-is-it-bht > > > >On 6/22/2011 7:34 PM, clairewest wrote: >>Here it is, . I went to the site hoping I could provide a direct >>link to this issue, but just found the join page. I'm glad you will be >>looking at this as you would know better than I if something in it wasn't >>quite right. Sorry it's so very long. I was thinking I could drop out >>the history stuff but that had one of the interesting mentions of iodine. >> >>The BHT reference was also interesting. I remember reading about this >>maybe 30 years ago and actually taking it for a while, but always felt >>uncertain about it because for so long I had thought of it as a probably >>toxic chemical added to factory foods for preservation. I may take a >>second look at that one. >> >> >> >>Vitamin C History >> >> >>As far back in history as 1747, a ish physician called Lind >>discovered through a simple experiment that, by taking lime or lemon >>juice every day, British sailors avoided contracting scurvy. He didn't >>know why this was, but from that point on, all the British Navy started >>issuing daily rations of lime juice, which is probably how the nickname >> " Limey " originated for Brits in the old days. >> >> >> >>Two hundred years later, a Hungarian called Albert Szent-Gyorgyi actually >>discovered Vitamin C and got a Nobel Prize for his efforts in 1937. An >>interesting and active man, during WW 2 Szent-Gyorgyi was a key member of >>the Hungarian resistance. Adolf Hitler himself issued a direct order for >>his arrest. After the war Szent-Gyorgyi's research interests moved >>towards studying the effects of free-radical damage as a reason for >>cancer onset. Another interesting fact about Szent-Gyorgi was that he >>always supplemented at least 1 gram of Potassium Iodide every day - >>that's 1000 mgs of KI (which is about 8000 times higher than the current >>RDA for iodine). He lived to the age of 93. In those days, people had no >>fear of iodine supplementation. A well-know protégé and supporter of >>Szent-Gyorgi's work, Ralph Moss, has since carried on his wonderful >>research work. >> >> >> >>Later research by Dr Denham Harman enabled more understanding on the >>dangerous effects of free-radicals on the body to further enhance the >>work of Albert Szent-Gyorgyi. Harman's essential discovery and proof was >>that anti-oxidants like Vitamin A, C & D actually help to extend human >>life by eliminating free-radical damage. But something that was always >>ignored by peer reviewed writings on Dr Harman's research was the fact >>that he regarded BHT(Butylated Hydroxytoluene) as a super anti-oxidant. >>He also discovered other conclusive facts from his anti-oxidant research >>along the way that have been completely and conveniently ignored for >>years by organizations such as the FDA and WHO: >> >> >> " In 1961, Harman published a study showing that the degree of >>polyunsaturation in fats had a dramatic effect on cancer rates in mice. >>The most highly polyunsaturated dietary fats [vegetable oils] were found >>to be the most carcinogenic. >> >> >>In 1968 Harman published a dietary antioxidant study showing that the >>food preservative BHT fed over a lifetime to mice produced a 45% increase >>in life span. Harman became concerned that although many of his studies >>showed an increase in average lifespan by antioxidants, none showed an >>increase in maximum life span. " >> >>-- Source -- Wikipedia >> >> >>Then came Mathias Rath's and Linus ing's research on the usage and >>correct dosages of Vitamin C which broke so much new ground - this >>research consequently gave birth to the well-known Orthomolecular >>Medicine movement, whose approach was to use natural nutritive methods at >>correct dosages discovered through intensive research in order to >>alleviate and cure disease. They both went on to discover the usefulness >>of high dose Vitamin C (as Ascorbate) and high dose Lysine - a simple >>amino acid protein pre-cursor -- as a very simple cure and preventative >>for heart disease, arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure etc. It was >>found that Vitamin C simply acted to remove the actual arterial plaque >>blockages while the Lysine removed the Lipoprotein(a) or Lp(a) from the >>blood in order to stop the plaque reforming again. In talking about >>arteriosclerosis, ing always liked to refer to this problem simply as >> " arterial scurvy " in order to drive his point home about the importance >>of correct dosages of Vitamin C in the human diet. >> >> >> >>And, when natural epigallocatechins (green tea tannins) were added to the >>vitamin C and Lysine protocol, this treatment would stop cancer tumor >>growth, prevent angiogenesis, and also help to prevent metastasis. Few >>people know about the ing-Rath research because the drug industry has >>done its utmost to suppress or spoil this vital research information for years. >> >> >> >>Ted from Bangkok has also recommended the use of larger dose Vitamin C >>with larger dose Lysine (sometimes combined with aspirin), which can help >>to cure some strains of ordinary flu as well as H1N1. He also recommends >>this as part of his cure protocol for cancer and as a cure for chlamydia, >>herpes, pneumonia and dengue fever. >> >>The simple point I am making here is that Vitamin C is far more than just >>an anti-oxidant. What comes out from all the independent research is that >>Vitamin C is also a vital ingredient for building or repairing collagen >>or body tissue; Vit C supports and greatly aids and boosts the immune >>system; Vit C can chelate and remove dangerous heavy metals from the >>body; it also greatly helps in accelerating cross cell-wall nutrient >>transport and absorption of nutrients. This is why, for instance, Vitamin >>C should always be taken with iodine supplementation - Vitamin C simply >>accelerates the absorption of iodine, overcoming any iodine transport >>problems - which is not only useful for thyroid problems but is also used >>in every other iodine cell receptor in the human body as well. >> >> >> >>Correct Vitamin C Dosages >> >> >> >>The current recommended daily RDA for Vitamin C is about 75 mgs. >> >>In his own research on Vitamin C, ing mentions that humans, apes, >>bats and guinea pigs cannot produce their own Vitamin C internally >>because they lack one vital liver enzyme - so they have to get their >>Vitamin C from an external food source. However, cows, horses, goats, >>dogs and cats and many other mammals all produce their Vitamin C >>internally simply by metabolizing glucose into Vitamin C in their livers. >>ing further goes on to say that just a small goat automatically and >>internally produces 12 grams of vitamin C on average per day and in times >>of stress can up that amount to 18 grams a day. >> >> >> >>Cows, horses and goats rarely, if ever, get heart disease or cancer. >> >>So now how do 12 grams of Vitamin C produced automatically and naturally >>everyday in a small goat stack up against the RDA Vitamin C dose of 75 >>mgs recommended for humans? >> >> >> >>I personally take 1000 - 3000 mgs of Vitamin C every day (much more if >>I'm ill). I also make sure that I eat plenty of fruit - mangoes, melons, >>apples, oranges etc - on a daily basis. Thus I get the benefit of Vitamin >>C as ascorbate but I also benefit from the fruit, which contains the >>added benefit of bio-available Vitamin C co-factors such as >>bio-flavonoids, ascorbinogens, rutin and tyrosinase as well as many >>mineral co-factors that also work as associated enzymes to further >>enhance Vitamin C's positive effects on the body. >> >> >> >>Linus ing regularly took about 8 - 10 grams of Vitamin C (sometimes >>twice as much as this) per day for years and years and he died at the >>ripe old age of 93. >> >> >> >>When Should I Take Vitamin C? >> >>Lastly, you can take Vitamin C, which is a water soluble vitamin, either >>during mealtimes or outside mealtimes. But, as Linus ing proved from >>his own research, if you take Vitamin C at mealtimes then you will >>automatically lose 1/3 of your dose through normal intestinal excretion. >>So if you take Vitamin C - it's always best to take the ascorbate or >>alkaline form outside mealtimes - your body will simply absorb more of >>the Vitamin C dosage and you will thus get a much greater benefit. >> >> >> >>The other oily vitamins such as Vitamins A, D, E and K should all be >>taken at mealtimes for proper digestion and emulsification by the >>pancreatic lipase enzymes and bile respectively. >> >> >> >>What Supplement Form is the Best? >> >> >> >>This section applies to all vitamins, minerals and amino acid supplement >>forms that you can buy - not just to Vitamin C. Let's go through these >>one by one: >> >> >> >>Tablet Forms >> >>I would avoid this supplement form for the following reasons: >> >> >> * This form contains many caking additives (to form the tablet) such >> as Calcium Diphosphate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, plant >> cellulose etc. Some people are even allergic to some of these caking >> substances. >> * The waxy, hard tablet forms will not be easy to break down and >> digest in the body. To test this - just drop the tablet into a glass of >> water with a little vinegar. If it doesn't dissolve into solution in >> about 20 minutes. - the tablet is useless. >> * Caking agents are waxy, sticky substances that help form the >> tablet. This wax will also tend to embed and trap the nutrient >> supplement in the wax, which will then not be absorbed by the intestine. >> * The best way to take tablets is to first crush them up using a >> mortar and pestle and then to dissolve the powder in a glass of water. >> Note that the water will look opaque and unclear due to the heavy >> presence of these waxy and insoluble caking residues. >> >> >> >>Multivitamins >> >>In my opinion, this is the worst possible supplement form of all to take. >>All the disadvantages that apply to the tablet form also apply to the >>multivitamin form. But I would also add these disadvantages as well: >> >> >> * Multivitamin forms always contain lesser amounts of vitamins, >> minerals and amino acids than even the RDA. This is because it would be >> physically impossible to put all the correct RDA dosages for vitamins, >> minerals and amino acids into one multivitamin pill. If you did, the >> pill would probably be bigger than a ping pong ball!! That's why I think >> the multivitamin concept - all beneficial daily nutrients in one pill - >> is so utterly ridiculous. >> * Minerals such as Iron, Zinc, Magnesium, Manganese and Calcium, for >> example, are all combined into one multivit pill. All these minerals, >> when taken in the wrong form, are mutually antagonistic and will compete >> for absorption pathways in the intestines. No use at all. >> * Many multivitamin forms contain various synthetic (patented) >> minerals, vitamins and amino acids etc. These forms are not handled in >> the body as well as the natural more bio-available food forms. Such >> multivit forms are usually also more expensive because they contain >> these synthetic, patented nutrient forms. >> >>I read an interesting article awhile ago written in an alternative health >>magazine. The journalist went to a sewage works to interview the sewage >>manager. During the interview the manager happened to mention that every >>day, whenever he went out to inspect the human sewage - he would see >>hundreds and hundreds of multi-coloured pills in the sludge - >>multivitamin pills - all undissolved. >> >> >> >>Liquid Tonics, Dissolvable (fizzy) and Chewable Forms >> >>I wouldn't trust these forms because, generally, they will include >>additives such as aspartame, flavourings, high fructose corn syrup or >>sugar and other additives to make them taste better. Also, the liquid >>tonic form will have a greater tendency to oxidize in the sunlight. Avoid. >> >> >> >>Capsule Form >> >>These should contain just the powdered herb, mineral or vitamin and >>nothing else - no additives or caking agents etc. This powder should be >>contained in an enteric-coated capsule. This form is OK - my number 2 choice. >> >> >> >>Powdered Form >> >>My top choice. This is the best form if you can get it - no additives or >>preservatives or caking agents. When I first bought my powdered Vitamin C >>(as ascorbic acid) and dissolved the dose in a glass of water with some >>baking soda powder to convert it to ascorbate - after the fizz - it was >>crystal clear, just like a simple glass of water. >> >> >> >>© 2011 Earth Clinic. . >> >> >>Caution: Is There an Excitotoxin in Your Supplement? >> >> >> >>by P. Kray, Senior Editor >> >>Published: June 22, 2011 >> >> >> >>We like Vitamin C for a lot of things, from prevention to post-infection >>treatment. That's why we're concerned about the popularity of certain >>hyped Vitamin C products. A natural cold and flu remedy would be great, >>but what sort of extra baggage is hitching a ride on these packs of >>Vitamin C supplements? Turns out, a pair of unnecessary ingredients, >> >>Multi-Vitamins >> >> >>aspartic acid (or asparagine) and sucralose, are often tagging along. You >>may have to look into the fine print of the ingredients list, but you'll >>be surprised at how often they show up. >> >> >> >>L-aspartic acid is one of our non-essential amino acids. The body makes >>it, so we don't need to get it from our diets. We definitely need it for >>energy creation, nerve function, and a host of other bodily activities. >>But like most good things, too much can be bad. In excess, aspartic acid >>becomes an excitotoxin, revving the neurons and nervous system up so high >>that nerve damage can be a result. In effect, excitotoxins cause our >>neurons to die from excitement! >> >> >> >>In fact, if the facts behind Aspartame make you uncomfortable, aspartic >>acid is a large part (40%) of the reason. In our bodies, this artificial >>sweetener breaks down into phenylalanine, methanol, and aspartic acid. >>Methanol is just plain toxic, but the overdose of amino acids can >>likewise do great harm. Sucralose (Splenda) is of course much the same >>thing as Aspartame-an artificial sweetener. This one mostly passes out of >>the body without being metabolized, but some 15-20% does not pass out of >>the body immediately. Since sucralose is an organochloride (an organic >>chlorine compound), many of us are justifiably concerned about the >>possibility of introducing free chlorine molecules into our bloodstream >>and tissues. Makes you nostalgic for good old belly-expanding glucose! >> >> >> >>Since the liver can produce aspartic acid whenever bodily levels are low, >>we never experience true aspartic acid deficiencies, so there is no need >>to get it through supplements. Easy then, we won't take aspartic acid >>supplements. That is, unless we don't know it's there in our other >>supplements! Now, weight lifting supplements often contain aspartic acid >>along with a medley of the other amino acids, so there is an issue there. >>However, for the Earth Clinic community we're more concerned about >>products like Ester-C (the brand) and Emergen-C, both of which add >>aspartic acid to their Vitamin C supplements. Just check out the Other >>Ingredients on the fine print on this >><http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=msigf4bab & et=1106142152615 & s=22063 & e=001MztOg_N\ myooOcy3CMl8o-TYFXg609_5HsiJ_5QIFv4-U0snUXvS6qsg3VrHv1tHq11xdnR7rpG96MwerVelSXVR\ HQzbmHGYh0Csqm69j6Jm2EgFaBIHHGMgKi0XDikQFWW053sD3V-SNxCneGFXdi3nFDjFKJag0rPSxk1M\ -6PXOuIhIeDT7F6TDrylnNhrSex6jzhKbFYfL_A1JccZh2FzcEgMsGP5UJoBZ6EMXftIWR4aoOOOhZ1R\ pUOsf5c0r5Ty-lXa1s9Q=>ingredients >>list to see for yourself. >> >> >> >>Products advertised as energy boosters frequently contain aspartic acid, >>as do whey powder products. Airborne and Super C Vitamin C products do >>not seem to use aspartic acid (please do not read that as a general >>endorsement); however, Airborne and Super C do contain sucralose as a >>sweetener, as do FRS Healthy Energy products. >> >> >> >>Additionally, you're likely to find aspartic acid in these products: >> >> >> * Various collagen formulas >> * Bragg Liquid Aminos >> * Many potassium-magnesium supplements >> * Many folic acid tablets >> * Many lipoic acid supplements >> * Many Nature's Plus products >> * Some Solgar vitamin supplements >> * Some Nutritech supplements >> >> >> >>Now, plenty of foods naturally contain aspartic acid as well, and the >>body is happy to find it there. It is nature-made, not man-made (unlike >>sucralose). We don't want to alarm anyone, just let you know what you're >>potentially putting in your body. Toxic levels of this amino acid are >>definitely possible, so take a look at your supplement labels and make >>the best choice for your own health. >> >> >> >>The following Earth Clinic reader contributions (and a note from Ted) >>should help you make the decision that is right for you. >> >> >> >>Vitamin C and Excitotoxins >> >> from Seattle, WA writes: " I was fighting a sinus infection last >>week after landing in California and went to a Whole Foods to get some >>Vitamin C. I decided to get Emergen-C to add to water because it had a >>really tempting fruity flavor. Immediately after taking my first packet >>(which was delicious), I felt a weird sensation in my head and then I got >>really edgy (as in bad mood edgy). I read the ingredients on the box and >>sure enough, the vitamin C used in this brand is Aspartic acid, an >>excitotoxin. The Emergen-C also contained " natural flavors " , aka MSG. I >>waited 24 hours and tried again to see if I would have the same side >>effects. Again, within a minute of drinking the packet, I got the same >>sensation in my head. My question is, are you doing more good or harm to >>the body when you take this form of vitamin c?!! " >> >> >> >>Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: " Aspartic acid is a well known >>excitotoxin and so is monosodium glutamate or MSG. In the long run it's >>going to destroy the immune system through a neurodegenerative disorder. >>Once the excitotoxin is destroyed the immune system is down. Now in a >>pharmaceutical formulation adding this results in the need to take that >>since you get sicker and so you might feel some relief, the long term is >>it's going to make a person sicker, which result in greater sales for >>product with excitotoxins added. Now imagine a child who is a borderline >>autism, ADHD, these can result in many other neurodegenerative disorders >>and metabolic acidosis. As for me decades ago I took accidentally soft >>drinks with aspartame resulting in deafness, but also a permanent partial >>macular degeneration of the eyes. So the systematic destruction is almost >>wholesale if given long term use. Luckily Emergen C is not sold in >>Thailand, although some friends of mine have given me this, I don't take >>it. I prefer to buy bulk vitamin C and mix them myself. There are other >>excitotoxins, but aspartic acid, aspartame, monosodium glutamate, and >>glutamic acid are the most well known... >> >> >> >>Therefore most effervescent products sometimes they are not labeled so I >>ended up calling the factory sometimes. One easy way to measure >>excitotoxin poisoning is that the urinary pH suddenly become very acid, >>such as pH 5.5 or lower and even taking more baking soda barely raise the >>pH long enough to be satisfactory. Such as it can't raise the pH for the >>entire day. It also takes weeks for the pH to be near normal after taking >>b complex and baking soda for a week or two. A long term taking of this >>can also resulted in higher urinary sugar and damaged pancreas, besides >>damaging the brain. One of the worse advertisement I have seen is >>J. Fox supporting Diet Pepsi, which contains aspartame, and he himself >>has Parkinson's disease, which will make such conditions much worse. The >>remedy is not to take aspartame for Parkinson's disease or to undergo >>stem cells, since it's not yet legal at the moment and stem cell research >>has been blocked for at least 8 years. Methylene blue taken at 2 drops at >>0.1% concentration might reverse some of the effects of excitotoxins as >>it is one of my remedies for Parkinson's disease also. >> >> >> >>Taking excitotoxins is a long term damage that may lead to degenerative >>disorders, metabolic acidosis, and lowered immune system. Therefore I >>would avoid them as best as I can. >> >> >> >>Ted " >> >> >> >>Supplements Brought on Rage >> >>Wes from Webster, TX writes: " I'm 220 and work out almost everyday. I >>started taking 2000mg of vitamin C. Ester C tablets. A few days later I >>noticed I was very easily enraged. I did this for about 4 weeks and >>decided it wasn't worth it. I recently started taking and animal pack >>vitamin package. After taking for several days I noticed the same effect. >>Read the ingredient 2000 mg Vitamin C. So I stopped taking it. Is there >>anyway to counteract the aggressiveness. IE some other vitamin. " >> >> >> >> replies: " This afternoon, I visited your site and noted a >>comment by a reader who said that Ester C made him enraged. It's not the >>Vitamin C, it's the aspartic acid in the Ester C product. I verified this >>with an aspartame activist. Aspartic acid is an excitotoxin, a poison >>that kills brain cells. Yep, it's the same stuff as in aspartame. All of >>the studies done on Vitamin C were done with sodium ascorbate, which is a >>type of chemically buffered Vitamin C. It's best to take it as a powder >>in water, because you can get gastritis if you take too many pills. " >> >> >> >> >>On 6/22/2011 6:59 PM, B wrote: >>> >>> >>>, is there any way you can copy/paste the article into an email and >>>send it to the list? That link requires you to sign up for their >>>newsletter and I'm on overwhelm about email at this point and just can't >>>do it. >>> >>>-- >>> >>>At 08:07 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote: >>> >>> >Today's Newsetter(June 22) from >>> >earthclinic -- >>> ><<http://www.earthclinic.com/>http://www.earthclinic.com/>www.earthclin >>> ic.com/newsletter.html -- is >>> >about the best and worst forms of vitamin C, so would be helpful for >>> >this group. It also mentions iodine several times in a knowledgeable way. >>> > >>> > >>> >>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ >>>--A.J. 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Baking soda + ascorbic acid gives you SODIUM ascorbate, not CALCIUM ascorbate. (I have been hanging out on a list of folks making home-made liposomal supplements. I am not a chemist or anything.)If supplements are not dissolving in the body, HCL supplementation could help.AnneOn Jun 22, 2011, at 9:49 PM, B wrote: Actually, I have Ester-C here and went to look at the label. I have both powder and tablets, and NEITHER has aspartic acid in them as this article claims. Plus I'm not convinced aspartic acid and aspartame are the same as they claim. Add that to the claim about BHT, and inaccurate info about tablets, and I'm sorry but I have to say I don't consider this a trusted source. The research that was done into tablets was done on nursing-home residents who were bed-bound. It was found that they could not break down tablets very well. But, they couldn't break down any food either. Later research did not show the same results-- that is-- tablets are digestible. I think that story about the human sewage guy is an urban legend. I like to use powders and liquids as much as possible just to minimize how many pills I have to swallow, but I think this article is based in a lot of alarmism, and inconsistent alarmism to boot. ON the other hand, I didn't know that you could add baking soda to ascorbic acid to make calcium ascorbate, but on the other hand, how do I know that's even true? sorry. Ok, now I'm getting back to work. g'night. -- Yes, , I wouldn't touch BHT myself. The article could be disputed on several statements, and I may post about it, but now short of time. --V ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 So if you put potassium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid you'd get potassium ascorbate? --V At 12:53 AM 6/23/2011, you wrote: >Baking soda + ascorbic acid gives you SODIUM ascorbate, not CALCIUM >ascorbate. (I have been hanging out on a list of folks making home-made >liposomal supplements. I am not a chemist or anything.) > >If supplements are not dissolving in the body, HCL supplementation could help. > >Anne > > >On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:49 PM, B wrote: > >> >> >>Actually, I have Ester-C here and went to look at the label. I have both >>powder and tablets, and NEITHER has aspartic acid in them as this article >>claims. Plus I'm not convinced aspartic acid and aspartame are the same as >>they claim. Add that to the claim about BHT, and inaccurate info about >>tablets, and I'm sorry but I have to say I don't consider this a trusted >>source. >> >>The research that was done into tablets was done on nursing-home residents >>who were bed-bound. It was found that they could not break down tablets >>very well. But, they couldn't break down any food either. Later research >>did not show the same results-- that is-- tablets are digestible. I think >>that story about the human sewage guy is an urban legend. >> >>I like to use powders and liquids as much as possible just to minimize how >>many pills I have to swallow, but I think this article is based in a lot of >>alarmism, and inconsistent alarmism to boot. ON the other hand, I didn't >>know that you could add baking soda to ascorbic acid to make calcium >>ascorbate, but on the other hand, how do I know that's even true? >> >>sorry. >> >>Ok, now I'm getting back to work. g'night. >> >>-- >> >>Yes, , I wouldn't touch BHT myself. >> >>The article could be disputed on several statements, and I may post about >>it, but now short of time. >> >>--V >> >>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ >>--A.J. Muste > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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