Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 And they didnt see them on ultrasound.. hehe.. take care /Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 This time I had one day of applejuice fasting. Next day, a couple of glasses of sea-salt mixed with sugar in water. One in the morning, one in te afternoon. Otherwise just water. No food or drink 6h before frush. I do the flushes as Chang recommends. No magnesium sulphates, and olivoil-grape 4 times with 15 min inbetween. I take 0.075dl oliv and 0.5dl grape each time. I have hade some problems getting out theses big ones, but I did it and there are probobly even more... Another thing is .. I took flagyl (a medicin for bacteria overgrowth) a week before, it really took away some bodystress. During the cleans its very importand to relax. On the first glass of flush I lay on the right side, next on my back, next on my left side and then fall asleep on my stomach. thats pretty much it... take care /Maceo > Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by ultrasound so am quite interested in your success. Did your stones show up on an ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, Hulda 's or other? How many flushes did you do before they came and did your take any other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal or whatever? > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:32:51 -0000 > From: " Jens Ranefjord " <ranefjord@h...> > Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+ > > I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything > out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest was > 3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show > them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the > local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing > showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. I > get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS. > > take care! > > /Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 I have been doing flushes for 4 months. These are the biggest so far. take care /Jens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Ben, Jens, I have to jump in here: as far as I understand, it is physically impossible to pass such a large gallstone. If you have such a large stone (I have one that is 1.7cm) it would have to pass through the small opening from the Gallbladder to the Common Bile Duct (don't know that that's called), travel through the Common Bile Duct and then to the opening from the CDB to the small intestine. The report by the radiologist who did my ultrasound in November, my Common Bile Duct is 0.4cm in diameter. Even if a 1.7cm gallstone could get out of my gallbladder by itself (which I'm positive it cannot - that's why I have a stone in there!), it would have to travel the length of the CDB. This simply is not possible. The CBD is designed to carry liquid, not large solids. Many people have serious problems when very, very small stones (less than 1/4 inch) get stuck in the CBD. I am one of those on this list who do not believe that the large " stones " you see in the toilet after a flush are gallstones, but rather a congealed by-product of a large amount of olive oil reacting w/ digestive juices. There may be some merit to flushing, but it is a fantasy to think that such large stones pass intact (without any pain). ....Bill Ben Simonton wrote: >Subject: Passing 3 cm stones > >Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by ultrasound so >am quite interested in your success. Did your stones show up on an >ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, Hulda 's or >other? How many flushes did you do before they came and did your take any >other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal or whatever? Jens wrote: >Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+ > >I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything >out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest was >3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show >them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the >local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing >showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. I >get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Hi Maceo! What was the total consumption of olive oil with your flush? You took olive oil and grapefruit juice 4 times... how much each time? ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Hi They are right now at the local hospital for analyses. I have them on photos. I will show them to you when I get them. I got them out 6 days ago with a regular flush. The big one was not round. It was " strange shaped " . It actually fell apart into two stones. When you look at them they are built from small (green-yellow) crystals. They where pretty much only green, with a yellowish layer on the outside on some parts of it. I also gotten out 9 stones, 2cm each, round ones. Pretty scary... *smile* When I did the flush the body pretty much started to 'stress out'. Thoses shakes has not gone away yet, so I believe I didnt got everything out. Normally with a succesfull cleans the shakes go away after the stones roll out. I really cant say if they came from the liver or the bladder. Normally I feel where they come from but this time, I didnt. I suspect they came from the right side-lowest part of the liver, thats where some spasms was. I really dont feel very well right now, but the day after and the following day after the cleans were totally sympthomfree (no constipation). But im not over this yet... More cleanses to come. I really felt bad from the Lecithin, so Im waitning a couple of weeks with it. take care... /Jens --- In gallstonesegroups, " Dale " <Da_@e...> wrote: > Three Centimeter, or almost one and a half inch, stones?!! What did you do > with them? Did you cut or crush them to see if they had the chunkiness of > the green waxy substance cholesterol? Was it solid green in the middle, or > did the colors change? When did you do this? > > Dale > Da_@m... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Jens Ranefjord " <ranefjord@h...> > <gallstonesegroups> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:36 AM > Subject: Re: Passing 3 cm stones > > > > This time I had one day of applejuice fasting. > > Next day, a couple of glasses of sea-salt mixed with sugar in water. > > One in the morning, one in te afternoon. Otherwise just water. No > > food or drink 6h before frush. I do the flushes as Chang > > recommends. No magnesium sulphates, and olivoil-grape 4 times with 15 > > min inbetween. I take 0.075dl oliv and 0.5dl grape each time. I have > > hade some problems getting out theses big ones, but I did it and > > there are probobly even more... Another thing is .. I took flagyl (a > > medicin for bacteria overgrowth) a week before, it really took away > > some bodystress. During the cleans its very importand to relax. On > > the first glass of flush I lay on the right side, next on my back, > > next on my left side and then fall asleep on my stomach. > > > > thats pretty much it... > > > > take care > > > > /Maceo > > > > > > --- In gallstonesegroups, " Ben Simonton " <bensimo@p...> wrote: > > > Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by > > ultrasound so am quite interested in your success. Did your stones > > show up on an ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, > > Hulda 's or other? How many flushes did you do before they came > > and did your take any other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal > > or whatever? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, Ben > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:32:51 -0000 > > > From: " Jens Ranefjord " <ranefjord@h...> > > > Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+ > > > > > > I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got > > everything > > > out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest > > was > > > 3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show > > > them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the > > > local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since > > nothing > > > showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. > > I > > > get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS. > > > > > > take care! > > > > > > /Jens > > > > > > Collected testimonials: > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > gallstonesegroups To unsubscribe: > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself! > > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > Have a nice day ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Hi I take 0.75dl olivoil mixed with 0.50dl grapefruit juice.. four times. 15 min inbetween. Ps. Theses are the biggest ones so far. It doesnt always work this good. ds take care /Jens (maceo) > Hi Maceo! > > What was the total consumption of olive oil with your flush? You > took olive oil and grapefruit juice 4 times... how much each time? > > ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Well Explain how a mother can give birth to a child. Thats also imposible if your looking at it that way. Same goes to kindey stones that travels down. Why do the cleanses not always work? Sometimes (i always do the same flushes) I dont get anything out. Not one single green spot. BUT... when I do the flushes and feel a spasm,, I usually see these green objects in the toilet. IF it would be some chemical reaction with olivoil I should have the same reaction ecery time, or at least every third time, but thats not the case here. For me, it works every 5 or 6th time sometimes not ever that. I, myself started to doubt it, but actually it works. And who said it didnt hurt... It stings... Of course it feels. The small ones doesnt feel anything, but the larger ones does.... /Jens > > Ben, Jens, > > > > I have to jump in here: as far as I understand, it is physically > > impossible to pass such a large gallstone. If you have such a large > > stone (I have one that is 1.7cm) it would have to pass through the small > > opening from the Gallbladder to the Common Bile Duct (don't know that > > that's called), travel through the Common Bile Duct and then to the > > opening from the CDB to the small intestine. > > > > The report by the radiologist who did my ultrasound in November, my > > Common Bile Duct is 0.4cm in diameter. Even if a 1.7cm gallstone could > > get out of my gallbladder by itself (which I'm positive it cannot - > > that's why I have a stone in there!), it would have to travel the length > > of the CDB. This simply is not possible. The CBD is designed to carry > > liquid, not large solids. Many people have serious problems when very, > > very small stones (less than 1/4 inch) get stuck in the CBD. > > > > I am one of those on this list who do not believe that the large " stones " > > you see in the toilet after a flush are gallstones, but rather a > > congealed by-product of a large amount of olive oil reacting w/ digestive > > juices. There may be some merit to flushing, but it is a fantasy to > > think that such large stones pass intact (without any pain). > > > > ...Bill > > > > Ben Simonton wrote: > > > > >Subject: Passing 3 cm stones > > > > > >Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by ultrasound > so > > >am quite interested in your success. Did your stones show up on an > > >ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, Hulda 's or > > >other? How many flushes did you do before they came and did your take any > > >other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal or whatever? > > > > Jens wrote: > > > > >Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+ > > > > > >I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything > > >out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest was > > >3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show > > >them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the > > >local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing > > >showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. I > > >get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS. > > > > Collected testimonials: > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > gallstonesegroups To unsubscribe: > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself! > > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > Have a nice day ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 >Message: 24 > From: " Dale " <Da_@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Passing 3 cm stones > >Bill, I believe it is possible. My picture, posted in the Files on >egroups, shows a stone that I passed which is 1.7 cm or 17 mm in diameter >along with some others there too. Where you aware of the tool that >surgeons can use to extract large gallstones called a basket? In fact the >one shown being removed looks very similar to some of the ones I've >passed. It expands to more than a 1/4 of an inch for wrapping around a >stone. I know about that tool. I believe it is very rare, if not unheard of, for a surgeon to use the basket tool to remove a stone as large as yours from a person's Common Bile Duct. A stone that size caught in the CBD would most likely completely block the flow of bile, leading to a life threatening situation. Stones that are in the CBD are generally small. >Hey, if women can pass a baby through an area as small as the cervix, by >10 plus times its size, I certainly can't see any problem with the common >bile duct stretching that far either. You can just imagine my surprise at >finding I'd passed stones the size I've posted for all to know they can be >passed, and with very little discomfort for a few days afterwards. Dale, just because you can't see such a problem, doesn't mean it isn't a problem. A baby is squeezed through the birth canal by incredibly strong muscles that contract violently over a period of many hours. Are there such muscles along the common bile duct? I don't think so. The flow of bile is certainly not strong enough to squeeze a 1.5cm or larger stone through the CBD. I don't mean any offense, but I think those of you who believe you can pass such large stones are delusional. Still, we are all free to believe what we want to believe. ....Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2001 Report Share Posted January 14, 2001 Dale If I remember right in an earlier post didn't you say that you were also diagnosed with an enlarged bile duct? Could this have came from flushing? Did it ever recover? If so maybe this is why you can pass such large stones. Don > >Message: 24 > > From: " Dale " <Da_@e...> > >Subject: Re: Re: Passing 3 cm stones > > > >Bill, I believe it is possible. My picture, posted in the Files on > >egroups, shows a stone that I passed which is 1.7 cm or 17 mm in diameter > >along with some others there too. Where you aware of the tool that > >surgeons can use to extract large gallstones called a basket? In fact the > >one shown being removed looks very similar to some of the ones I've > >passed. It expands to more than a 1/4 of an inch for wrapping around a > >stone. > > I know about that tool. I believe it is very rare, if not unheard of, > for a surgeon to use the basket tool to remove a stone as large as yours > from a person's Common Bile Duct. A stone that size caught in the CBD > would most likely completely block the flow of bile, leading to a life > threatening situation. Stones that are in the CBD are generally small. > > >Hey, if women can pass a baby through an area as small as the cervix, by > >10 plus times its size, I certainly can't see any problem with the common > >bile duct stretching that far either. You can just imagine my surprise at > >finding I'd passed stones the size I've posted for all to know they can be > >passed, and with very little discomfort for a few days afterwards. > > Dale, just because you can't see such a problem, doesn't mean it isn't a > problem. A baby is squeezed through the birth canal by incredibly strong > muscles that contract violently over a period of many hours. Are there > such muscles along the common bile duct? I don't think so. The flow of > bile is certainly not strong enough to squeeze a 1.5cm or larger stone > through the CBD. > > I don't mean any offense, but I think those of you who believe you can > pass such large stones are delusional. Still, we are all free to believe > what we want to believe. > > ...Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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