Re: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

[Guest guest]

Three Centimeter, or almost one and a half inch, stones?!! What did you do

with them? Did you cut or crush them to see if they had the chunkiness of

the green waxy substance cholesterol? Was it solid green in the middle, or

did the colors change? When did you do this?

Dale

Da_@...

----- Original Message -----

From: " Jens Ranefjord " <ranefjord@...>

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:36 AM

Subject: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

> This time I had one day of applejuice fasting.

> Next day, a couple of glasses of sea-salt mixed with sugar in water.

> One in the morning, one in te afternoon. Otherwise just water. No

> food or drink 6h before frush. I do the flushes as Chang

> recommends. No magnesium sulphates, and olivoil-grape 4 times with 15

> min inbetween. I take 0.075dl oliv and 0.5dl grape each time. I have

> hade some problems getting out theses big ones, but I did it and

> there are probobly even more... Another thing is .. I took flagyl (a

> medicin for bacteria overgrowth) a week before, it really took away

> some bodystress. During the cleans its very importand to relax. On

> the first glass of flush I lay on the right side, next on my back,

> next on my left side and then fall asleep on my stomach.

>

> thats pretty much it...

>

> take care

>

> /Maceo

>

>

>

> > Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by

> ultrasound so am quite interested in your success. Did your stones

> show up on an ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use,

> Hulda 's or other? How many flushes did you do before they came

> and did your take any other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal

> or whatever?

> >

> > Thanks in advance, Ben

> >

> >

> > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:32:51 -0000

> > From: " Jens Ranefjord " <ranefjord@h...>

> > Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+

> >

> > I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got

> everything

> > out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest

> was

> > 3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show

> > them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the

> > local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since

> nothing

> > showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS.

> I

> > get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS.

> >

> > take care!

> >

> > /Jens

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bill, i do agree somewhat with what you say. That is why I have three stones

remaining in my gallbladder! But, i do know that after several flushes and

passing two large " objects " that my gallbladder felt different. Less

movements in it. I tend to agree with ken that cholesterol stones move much

more easily than calcified. laura

----- Original Message -----

From: <swerz@...>

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

> Ben, Jens,

>

> I have to jump in here: as far as I understand, it is physically

> impossible to pass such a large gallstone. If you have such a large

> stone (I have one that is 1.7cm) it would have to pass through the small

> opening from the Gallbladder to the Common Bile Duct (don't know that

> that's called), travel through the Common Bile Duct and then to the

> opening from the CDB to the small intestine.

>

> The report by the radiologist who did my ultrasound in November, my

> Common Bile Duct is 0.4cm in diameter. Even if a 1.7cm gallstone could

> get out of my gallbladder by itself (which I'm positive it cannot -

> that's why I have a stone in there!), it would have to travel the length

> of the CDB. This simply is not possible. The CBD is designed to carry

> liquid, not large solids. Many people have serious problems when very,

> very small stones (less than 1/4 inch) get stuck in the CBD.

>

> I am one of those on this list who do not believe that the large " stones "

> you see in the toilet after a flush are gallstones, but rather a

> congealed by-product of a large amount of olive oil reacting w/ digestive

> juices. There may be some merit to flushing, but it is a fantasy to

> think that such large stones pass intact (without any pain).

>

> ...Bill

>

> Ben Simonton wrote:

>

> >Subject: Passing 3 cm stones

> >

> >Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by ultrasound

so

> >am quite interested in your success. Did your stones show up on an

> >ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, Hulda 's or

> >other? How many flushes did you do before they came and did your take any

> >other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal or whatever?

>

> Jens wrote:

>

> >Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+

> >

> >I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything

> >out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest was

> >3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show

> >them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the

> >local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing

> >showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. I

> >get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS.

>

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Bill, I believe it is possible. My picture, posted in the Files on egroups, shows a stone that I passed which is 1.7 cm or 17 mm in diameter along with some others there too. Where you aware of the tool that surgeons can use to extract large gallstones called a basket? In fact the one shown being removed looks very similar to some of the ones I've passed. It expands to more than a 1/4 of an inch for wrapping around a stone.

Hey, if women can pass a baby through an area as small as the cervix, by 10 plus times its size, I certainly can't see any problem with the common bile duct stretching that far either. You can just imagine my surprise at finding I'd passed stones the size I've posted for all to know they can be passed, and with very little discomfort for a few days afterwards.

DaleDa_@...

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From: <swerz@...>

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

> Ben, Jens,> > I have to jump in here: as far as I understand, it is physically > impossible to pass such a large gallstone. If you have such a large > stone (I have one that is 1.7cm) it would have to pass through the small > opening from the Gallbladder to the Common Bile Duct (don't know that > that's called), travel through the Common Bile Duct and then to the > opening from the CDB to the small intestine.> > The report by the radiologist who did my ultrasound in November, my > Common Bile Duct is 0.4cm in diameter. Even if a 1.7cm gallstone could > get out of my gallbladder by itself (which I'm positive it cannot - > that's why I have a stone in there!), it would have to travel the length > of the CDB. This simply is not possible. The CBD is designed to carry > liquid, not large solids. Many people have serious problems when very, > very small stones (less than 1/4 inch) get stuck in the CBD.> > I am one of those on this list who do not believe that the large "stones" > you see in the toilet after a flush are gallstones, but rather a > congealed by-product of a large amount of olive oil reacting w/ digestive > juices. There may be some merit to flushing, but it is a fantasy to > think that such large stones pass intact (without any pain).> > ...Bill> > Ben Simonton wrote:> > >Subject: Passing 3 cm stones> >> >Jens, glad to hear of your success. I have a 2.8 cm stone by ultrasound so > >am quite interested in your success. Did your stones show up on an > >ultrasound or Xray? What flush procedure did you use, Hulda 's or > >other? How many flushes did you do before they came and did your take any > >other treatments like Chanca Piedra or Actigal or whatever?> > Jens wrote:> > >Subject: Got out a BIG one! 3cm+> >> >I had a really successfull cleans yesterday. I havn't got everything > >out from the bowel yet but a gotten out 3 major ones. The largest was > >3cm pretty much all around. I have these 3 on picture. I will show > >them to you when I get the photos. The stones are right now at the > >local hostital for analyses (guess they will be amazed since nothing > >showed up on ultasound two weeks ago). Long live the cleanses. PS. I > >get these out without magnesium sulphates. DS.> > Collected testimonials:> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials> You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups> To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups> To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups> To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups> By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!> List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones> Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/> Have a nice day !>

[Guest guest]

This was noted with the last ultrasound that was done at the time of the

last attack that led to an emergency room visit. The doctor was concerned

because of the enlarged ducts, and the hepatitis B and C readings of the

blood tests done a couple of weeks latter. I'm sure the passing of stones

had a lot to do with the ducts being enlarged.

I was also noted as having elevated bilirubin, ALT, AST, and ALK with a

blood test. That test was done in November as a follow-up a week, or two,

after my attack. My urine was dark, and that was why I went back to the

doctor to have a blood test done. However, I received my book " The Liver

Cleansing Diet " about that same time and in a few days after that I changed

my diet. I started eating EFA types of food and taking oils too and within a

day or two things started clearing up. It's been pretty much smooth sailing

since then.

I haven't been back to have an ultrasound done as yet but I'm sure things

are going to be much better as my skin and general health have been doing

quite well. One of these days I do intend on getting another blood test done

and perhaps an ultrasound too.

Dale

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----- Original Message -----

From: <gtrdon@...>

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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 7:35 PM

Subject: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

> Dale

> If I remember right in an earlier post didn't you say that you were

> also diagnosed with an enlarged bile duct? Could this have came from

> flushing? Did it ever recover? If so maybe this is why you can

> pass such large stones.

> Don

>

> > >Message: 24

> > > From: " Dale " <Da_@e...>

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Passing 3 cm stones

> > >

> > >Bill, I believe it is possible. My picture, posted in the Files on

> > >egroups, shows a stone that I passed which is 1.7 cm or 17 mm in

> diameter

> > >along with some others there too. Where you aware of the tool that

> > >surgeons can use to extract large gallstones called a basket? In

> fact the

> > >one shown being removed looks very similar to some of the ones

> I've

> > >passed. It expands to more than a 1/4 of an inch for wrapping

> around a

> > >stone.

> >

> > I know about that tool. I believe it is very rare, if not unheard

> of,

> > for a surgeon to use the basket tool to remove a stone as large as

> yours

> > from a person's Common Bile Duct. A stone that size caught in the

> CBD

> > would most likely completely block the flow of bile, leading to a

> life

> > threatening situation. Stones that are in the CBD are generally

> small.

> >

> > >Hey, if women can pass a baby through an area as small as the

> cervix, by

> > >10 plus times its size, I certainly can't see any problem with the

> common

> > >bile duct stretching that far either. You can just imagine my

> surprise at

> > >finding I'd passed stones the size I've posted for all to know

> they can be

> > >passed, and with very little discomfort for a few days afterwards.

> >

> > Dale, just because you can't see such a problem, doesn't mean it

> isn't a

> > problem. A baby is squeezed through the birth canal by incredibly

> strong

> > muscles that contract violently over a period of many hours. Are

> there

> > such muscles along the common bile duct? I don't think so. The

> flow of

> > bile is certainly not strong enough to squeeze a 1.5cm or larger

> stone

> > through the CBD.

> >

> > I don't mean any offense, but I think those of you who believe you

> can

> > pass such large stones are delusional. Still, we are all free to

> believe

> > what we want to believe.

> >

> > ...Bill

>

>

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