Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

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what kind of lemonaide? homemade or store bought? thanks. laura

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From: Macdonald

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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

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From: Angel

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:54 PM

Subject: Liver Book and Fruit Diet

Also there was a lot of talk on this list about the fruit diet, is this diet just fruits eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner? What type of fruits, could someone give me an example of the types of fruit eaten for this diet?

On the fruit diet, you don't have to think, necessarily, in terms of "meals", if you don't want to. I just eat fruit whenever eating appeals to me. I eat the sweet, juicy fruits--peaches, nectarines, pears, grapes, mango and kiwi, and oranges, mostly. Once in awhile, I may eat some cherries, or berries, or a grapefruit.

Can a person get all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition needed fromthis type of diet? Most of the research I have done says that an all fruitdiet is not recommend permanently.

I know people who claim to have been eating a fruit diet, with the addition of some green juice, or a few nuts and seeds, once in awhile, for years. One person has been eating this way for 16 years. Another I know, who does eat some vegetables occassionally, has been doing it for over 20 years. I won't claim that they're getting "all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition needed from this type of diet", but I can say that they are happy with how they've been eating and would not be motivated to change, so that should tell you something.

I cannot eat oranges and grapefruits daily as they give me joint pain so I avoid these, and only eat grapefruitoccasionally and of course the juice for the flushes.

I don't flush, anymore, but, in the beginning of eating mostly fruit, I didn't tolerate the citrus fruits all that well, but after consuming mostly lemonade for a few weeks, with the acid buffered by sugar, I acquired the ability to eat the citrus fruits with no problem.

I do notice that when I have a gallbladder attack of pain, I can only eat fruit, of which I have fresh and canned fruit everyday when I am in pain and unable to eat my usual foods, buy I only eat them for 3 days to a week at most.

In my opinion, you could do this for a much longer time. I do. I use canned fruits, as well, and bottled fruit juices to vary the fresh fruit diet. This expands the diet and makes it more interesting, and is sometimes important when fresh fruits are out of season, and sub-standard in their natural sugar content. I also eat commercial applesauce and drink bottled, unsweetened, organic apple juice. I mix juices into "blends", freely, as well, to creat a variety of interesting flavors.

I must say that the fruits keeps me going at these times, so I can go about my usual daily routine of going to work etc., but I do not see myself being on an all fruit diet for the rest of my life as that would be unrealistic for me, as I know myself and what I can tolerate. The fruits I can have are pears,peaches, pineapple and apricots, these I only eat from canned, and for fresh, I have mostly kiwi and grapes and occasionally apple,

I am getting tremendous benefit from doing this--first thing that happened was I forgot all about doing liver flushes--the thought of them vanished from my brain, somehow, as, very quickly, there was no more discomfort to cause me to think about them! The second thing that has happened to me of tremendous signficance is that my energy has returned, and I am recovering aerobic capacity I started to lose even as a fairly young child. It feels as though my body is re-ordering itself, sort of "unwinding" all the tension held in the core of my body that was causing organs to malfunction and create all the syndromes with which I'd been struggling for a long, long time. It is an exciting process--and sometimes a little scarey, because I've found that, over the years, I've come to "identify" with these syndromes as "myself", in some cases, not recognizing that I had come to identify with my dysfunctions to the point that I didn't even recognize I had them. As the situation "unfurls", I realize to what extent I have been ill, and that I wasn't even confronting how ill I truly was!

My appetite is very small; I really don't eat that much. People tend to think that if a person is eating just fruit that pounds and pounds of the stuff must be consumed on a daily basis to meet the nutritional needs and produce satiety, but I have NOT found that to be the case. A little fruit, after the first few weeks of heavy dosing with lemonade, seems to go a long, long way. I, basically, nibble on my fruit, here and there, and drink a couple of drinks and eat a couple of pieces of fruit, total, in a day's time. But, I, usually, don't eat the whole piece of fruit at one sitting. A bottled drink may last me most of the day, and, then, I may drink another shortly before bed.

I do not like apples much as for some reason I get stomach pain when I eat them,(acid?), I notice this with the juice as well, especially apple cider juice.

You may acquire the ability to tolerate the apple juice, if you do this diet for a few weeks, and have been able to drink signficant quantities of lemonade as a liver tonic, first. I don't consider apples to be a "sweet, juicy" fruit. By and large, they are somewhat acidic, and too dry, for healing; I have found that the liver really appreciates sugar and fluid to buffer and dilute the natural fruit acids. That's why I "sauce" (and, sometimes, "sugar") my apples, or drink them in the form of juice, or eat commerically-prepared applesauce, instead of eating them "fresh".

These fruits mentioned seem to agree me the best.

Then I would say you are getting a clear vote from your liver and that you should feel encouraged to continue.

What works for your liver, will work for you.

I will probably be of help to you if I also tell you that there are times when I want other foods, and I do not allow myself to go into a state of feeling deprived because a state of deprivation has serious, negative, biochemical consequences. At these times, I have either dosed myself with some water-soluble ionic minerals, because changing the mineral balance alters the flavors that one finds appealing, or the "cravings", and, often, entirely relieves one of them. If that isn't effective, then I mix up a pitcher of lemonade and drink as much as I possibly can, whether it is appealing to me, or not, and, most often, that "kills" any desire for substances other than fruit. Once in a several-week period, I may go ahead and indulge in a few TEASPOONS of something that I have, persistently, been visualizing and am tempted by, but I never allow that to include substances from animals, or fish, anymore, with the rare exception of a little sprinkling of Parmesan or Romano cheese if I'm having a "dairy" craving, and that usually puts a stop to it, pretty much immediately. I also make sure these episodes don't include any signficant amount of fat, from either vegetable or animal-source, or whole, complex foods; for instance, last week I ate a few teaspoons of refined-flour pasta shells with some fat-free marinara sauce. Two weeks previous, I had some V-8 juice, and, once, before that I ate some boiled potato. What these indulgences did was give me a ferociously-renewed desire for my fruits, which is precisely why I permit myself those indulgences from time to time. There is also a brief "discharge" period, afterward, that produces some minorly-distasteful flavors in the mouth. After long periods of fruit-eating, these excursions never produce the anticipated delight when I'm actually eating them, either--most often they taste "strange" and a little "disappointing", and it helps to remind myself that I'm really not missing any wonderful sensation by avoiding them. As time goes on, I am prone to do this less and less.

As far as this diet being able to nutrify, over the long-term, I do, strongly, believe it has that potential. The ability for foods to nutrify has less to do with what is in the foods, and more with a person's state of mind creating "needs" and "requirements" for the body. The state of mind, in this case, is altered by the relaxation of the liver that is acquired over a period of time by relieving it of any complex, unnatural catabolic tasks. Think about being relaxed vs. all nervous and up-tight. When you are relaxed, your "needs" are less, you are, relatively, "content" and aggreeable to kicking-back, and you want virtually nothing. Contrariwise, if you are all strung-out, like your liver is when it is being asked to process foods other than fruit, then you are feeling anxious and maybe somewhat desperate and are more prone to be looking around for something, trying to find whatever will help you relieve your anxiety. I don't dwell on "requirements" posed by a society that believes people's livers need to be fed substances that keep it, and them, all wound-up and deficient, and desperately-seeking to meet these "requirements" by giving themselves "antidotes" that they would never need if they'd been told to feed their livers and themselves the fruits, and only the fruits, they were meant to eat in the first place.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Angel

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:54 PM

Subject: Liver Book and Fruit Diet

Also there was a lot of talk on this list about the fruit diet, is this diet just fruits eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner? What type of fruits, could someone give me an example of the types of fruit eaten for this diet?

On the fruit diet, you don't have to think, necessarily, in terms of "meals", if you don't want to. I just eat fruit whenever eating appeals to me. I eat the sweet, juicy fruits--peaches, nectarines, pears, grapes, mango and kiwi, and oranges, mostly. Once in awhile, I may eat some cherries, or berries, or a grapefruit.

Can a person get all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition needed fromthis type of diet? Most of the research I have done says that an all fruitdiet is not recommend permanently.

I know people who claim to have been eating a fruit diet, with the addition of some green juice, or a few nuts and seeds, once in awhile, for years. One person has been eating this way for 16 years. Another I know, who does eat some vegetables occassionally, has been doing it for over 20 years. I won't claim that they're getting "all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition needed from this type of diet", but I can say that they are happy with how they've been eating and would not be motivated to change, so that should tell you something.

I cannot eat oranges and grapefruits daily as they give me joint pain so I avoid these, and only eat grapefruitoccasionally and of course the juice for the flushes.

I don't flush, anymore, but, in the beginning of eating mostly fruit, I didn't tolerate the citrus fruits all that well, but after consuming mostly lemonade for a few weeks, with the acid buffered by sugar, I acquired the ability to eat the citrus fruits with no problem.

I do notice that when I have a gallbladder attack of pain, I can only eat fruit, of which I have fresh and canned fruit everyday when I am in pain and unable to eat my usual foods, buy I only eat them for 3 days to a week at most.

In my opinion, you could do this for a much longer time. I do. I use canned fruits, as well, and bottled fruit juices to vary the fresh fruit diet. This expands the diet and makes it more interesting, and is sometimes important when fresh fruits are out of season, and sub-standard in their natural sugar content. I also eat commercial applesauce and drink bottled, unsweetened, organic apple juice. I mix juices into "blends", freely, as well, to creat a variety of interesting flavors.

I must say that the fruits keeps me going at these times, so I can go about my usual daily routine of going to work etc., but I do not see myself being on an all fruit diet for the rest of my life as that would be unrealistic for me, as I know myself and what I can tolerate. The fruits I can have are pears,peaches, pineapple and apricots, these I only eat from canned, and for fresh, I have mostly kiwi and grapes and occasionally apple,

I am getting tremendous benefit from doing this--first thing that happened was I forgot all about doing liver flushes--the thought of them vanished from my brain, somehow, as, very quickly, there was no more discomfort to cause me to think about them! The second thing that has happened to me of tremendous signficance is that my energy has returned, and I am recovering aerobic capacity I started to lose even as a fairly young child. It feels as though my body is re-ordering itself, sort of "unwinding" all the tension held in the core of my body that was causing organs to malfunction and create all the syndromes with which I'd been struggling for a long, long time. It is an exciting process--and sometimes a little scarey, because I've found that, over the years, I've come to "identify" with these syndromes as "myself", in some cases, not recognizing that I had come to identify with my dysfunctions to the point that I didn't even recognize I had them. As the situation "unfurls", I realize to what extent I have been ill, and that I wasn't even confronting how ill I truly was!

My appetite is very small; I really don't eat that much. People tend to think that if a person is eating just fruit that pounds and pounds of the stuff must be consumed on a daily basis to meet the nutritional needs and produce satiety, but I have NOT found that to be the case. A little fruit, after the first few weeks of heavy dosing with lemonade, seems to go a long, long way. I, basically, nibble on my fruit, here and there, and drink a couple of drinks and eat a couple of pieces of fruit, total, in a day's time. But, I, usually, don't eat the whole piece of fruit at one sitting. A bottled drink may last me most of the day, and, then, I may drink another shortly before bed.

I do not like apples much as for some reason I get stomach pain when I eat them,(acid?), I notice this with the juice as well, especially apple cider juice.

You may acquire the ability to tolerate the apple juice, if you do this diet for a few weeks, and have been able to drink signficant quantities of lemonade as a liver tonic, first. I don't consider apples to be a "sweet, juicy" fruit. By and large, they are somewhat acidic, and too dry, for healing; I have found that the liver really appreciates sugar and fluid to buffer and dilute the natural fruit acids. That's why I "sauce" (and, sometimes, "sugar") my apples, or drink them in the form of juice, or eat commerically-prepared applesauce, instead of eating them "fresh".

These fruits mentioned seem to agree me the best.

Then I would say you are getting a clear vote from your liver and that you should feel encouraged to continue.

What works for your liver, will work for you.

I will probably be of help to you if I also tell you that there are times when I want other foods, and I do not allow myself to go into a state of feeling deprived because a state of deprivation has serious, negative, biochemical consequences. At these times, I have either dosed myself with some water-soluble ionic minerals, because changing the mineral balance alters the flavors that one finds appealing, or the "cravings", and, often, entirely relieves one of them. If that isn't effective, then I mix up a pitcher of lemonade and drink as much as I possibly can, whether it is appealing to me, or not, and, most often, that "kills" any desire for substances other than fruit. Once in a several-week period, I may go ahead and indulge in a few TEASPOONS of something that I have, persistently, been visualizing and am tempted by, but I never allow that to include substances from animals, or fish, anymore, with the rare exception of a little sprinkling of Parmesan or Romano cheese if I'm having a "dairy" craving, and that usually puts a stop to it, pretty much immediately. I also make sure these episodes don't include any signficant amount of fat, from either vegetable or animal-source, or whole, complex foods; for instance, last week I ate a few teaspoons of refined-flour pasta shells with some fat-free marinara sauce. Two weeks previous, I had some V-8 juice, and, once, before that I ate some boiled potato. What these indulgences did was give me a ferociously-renewed desire for my fruits, which is precisely why I permit myself those indulgences from time to time. There is also a brief "discharge" period, afterward, that produces some minorly-distasteful flavors in the mouth. After long periods of fruit-eating, these excursions never produce the anticipated delight when I'm actually eating them, either--most often they taste "strange" and a little "disappointing", and it helps to remind myself that I'm really not missing any wonderful sensation by avoiding them. As time goes on, I am prone to do this less and less.

As far as this diet being able to nutrify, over the long-term, I do, strongly, believe it has that potential. The ability for foods to nutrify has less to do with what is in the foods, and more with a person's state of mind creating "needs" and "requirements" for the body. The state of mind, in this case, is altered by the relaxation of the liver that is acquired over a period of time by relieving it of any complex, unnatural catabolic tasks. Think about being relaxed vs. all nervous and up-tight. When you are relaxed, your "needs" are less, you are, relatively, "content" and aggreeable to kicking-back, and you want virtually nothing. Contrariwise, if you are all strung-out, like your liver is when it is being asked to process foods other than fruit, then you are feeling anxious and maybe somewhat desperate and are more prone to be looking around for something, trying to find whatever will help you relieve your anxiety. I don't dwell on "requirements" posed by a society that believes people's livers need to be fed substances that keep it, and them, all wound-up and deficient, and desperately-seeking to meet these "requirements" by giving themselves "antidotes" that they would never need if they'd been told to feed their livers and themselves the fruits, and only the fruits, they were meant to eat in the first place.

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Thanks . I've never made homemade. How many lemons to how much water? Sugar, I assume, is to taste. laura

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From: Macdonald

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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

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From: robert mcmullan

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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

what kind of lemonaide? homemade or store bought? thanks. laura

I make my lemon-ade from freshly-squeezed lemons and look for the best

lemons--soft and thin-skinned. However, if you're short of time, a store-bought

variety will suffice--in most cases, I've found that any lemon-ade is better than

none at all.

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----- Original Message -----

From: robert mcmullan

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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

what kind of lemonaide? homemade or store bought? thanks. laura

I make my lemon-ade from freshly-squeezed lemons and look for the best

lemons--soft and thin-skinned. However, if you're short of time, a store-bought

variety will suffice--in most cases, I've found that any lemon-ade is better than

none at all.

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From: robert mcmullan

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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: Fruit Diet & Relaxing the Liver/Mind

>Thanks . I've never made homemade. How many lemons to how much water? Sugar, I assume, is to taste. laura

You can make it whatever strength you like it, . I find that varies. Right now, I use one, good, juicy lemon per 16 oz.of spring water, but, in the past, I've made it stronger than that. And, yes, sugar to taste.