Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Hi, Dale, I have gained much knowledge from reading your post. Recently I just had a minor GB attack, actually before my last cleanse two weeks or so ago. It was minor, but was enough to keep me awake all night long, if you know what I mean. If you're having an attack, is there something that we can do to stop the pain? I finally got up at about 6 a.m. and drank some epsom salts, which it finally stopped shortly after that. Pain meds are out of the question. I now have a new doc, my old one retired. He doesn't even know that I have GB problems, plus I have no insurance. Anytime you talk to most of of these docs, they want you to have surgery. thanks, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 I'm a bit like Rex in what I did regarding the doctor's desired treatment of having my gallbladder, that he said was probably not working for the last 10 years, removed. I've done around 10 flushes over the last two years, have had a report from the hospital that my gallbladder now looks fine, and is free of any stones. This was as of October 23, 1999. I certainly can appreciate the fear one feels about the possibility of a flush causing a stone to escape its happy living quarters in the gallbladder and/or liver and get stuck on its way to the intestines through the common bile duct. However, regardless of the fear many of us have gone through with it to seek keeping our gallbladder and still remove the stones. I can appreciate the pain levels to which one can get as I had to go to the emergency room four times in 1999. The last time was the worst, and yet it was the time when an ultrasound showed my liver and gallbladder were looking good and had no stones. I know they really worked hard at finding something because the girls doing the check used different power settings to try to find what my chart said were there before. (Had to grin at the thought even though the pain was awful at that time) At that time I was really confused as to the real reason as to just why I had such pain with no stones showing, as I'd been really, really good about avoiding all kinds of fats. The report from the hospital stated that my liver had enlarged bile ducts (I suspect from the flushings), and my blood test showed elevated liver enzymes along with Hepatitis A and C. What I found out after reading Dr. Cabot's book, " The Liver Cleansing Diet " , was that my avoidance of all fats was doing or had done an extreme harm to my liver because of it not getting the EFAs it needs for proper cell structuring and HDL cholesterol production. So, in a nutshell, avoid foods that although good for the liver, cause too much stimulation to it, at least for the time being. Foods like cabbage or certain nuts like pecans, in my case would cause me painful or overly uncomfortable attacks, but not ones that would send me to the hospital. Start taking more EFAs in variety, like Flaxseed, Hemp, Olive oils. Along with that take lecithin and taurine too. Don't worry about getting fatter from the increased intake of fat, if that's a concern, because as your liver starts to really function as it's suppose to do it will actually start to burn off the other fats stored in your body. Look at it as a fireplace that has shrunk from not having the right building blocks but now is getting the right material it needs to become larger and better for burning off the excess combustible materials. You may notice more greenish brown bowels with more of a yellow tint too, but that's just fine because it'll mean you're getting more bile flow. You'll also want to make sure to eat more soluble and insoluble fiber to help the liver get rid of the older bile that will contain more of the LDL cholesterol. Otherwise the body will tend to reabsorb up to 90% of the bile of which you're trying to get rid. Keep in mind that the liver and intestines along with exercise have a synergetic balance that needs to be maintained for proper intake of nutrition and waste disposal. So, a clean colon as well as a functional liver and exercise are the greater keys to getting the gallbladder back to good or at least reasonable health, and losing that excess weight that may have accumulated over the years. Dale Da_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <moondancer@...> <gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: gallbladder attack > This is my first post so I hope you'll bear with me. My first attack > was Thanksgiving Eve 2000, the second Christmas night and the third > was this past Sunday evening. I'm still tender and sore in the > abdominal area. > > My question is this: if my gallbladder is active in " attack " mode is > it still possible to do the flush/cleanse routine. I have friends > who are doctors and they are concerned that my gallbladder will > rupture and would like me to have surgery. I have no insurance (I'm > an artist) so I've been putting that off. My son, who is a massage > therapist, seems to think the way to go is through the Master > Cleanse. > > Help! I'm 55 and live in a fairly secluded area so that if I needed > emergency care it wouldn't be immediately forthcoming. > > Any suggestions or info would be greatly appreciated. > > in WV > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. > Post message: gallstones > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe > URL to this page: gallstones > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Site for more information: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > Have a nice day ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 , you may also want to visit www.sensiblehealth.com . Chang is the proprieter and she has some good information on her site. I will be using her protocol as I have not performed a flush in 6 months and need to. I had done 15 over a year and half period and got rather burnt out. You may even want to contact her via telephone, she is very knowledgable. Increase your intake of water also. Good luck. laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " Dale " <Da_@...> <gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: gallbladder attack > I'm a bit like Rex in what I did regarding the doctor's desired treatment of > having my gallbladder, that he said was probably not working for the last 10 > years, removed. I've done around 10 flushes over the last two years, have > had a report from the hospital that my gallbladder now looks fine, and is > free of any stones. This was as of October 23, 1999. > > I certainly can appreciate the fear one feels about the possibility of a > flush causing a stone to escape its happy living quarters in the gallbladder > and/or liver and get stuck on its way to the intestines through the common > bile duct. However, regardless of the fear many of us have gone through with > it to seek keeping our gallbladder and still remove the stones. > > I can appreciate the pain levels to which one can get as I had to go to the > emergency room four times in 1999. The last time was the worst, and yet it > was the time when an ultrasound showed my liver and gallbladder were looking > good and had no stones. I know they really worked hard at finding something > because the girls doing the check used different power settings to try to > find what my chart said were there before. (Had to grin at the thought even > though the pain was awful at that time) > > At that time I was really confused as to the real reason as to just why I > had such pain with no stones showing, as I'd been really, really good about > avoiding all kinds of fats. The report from the hospital stated that my > liver had enlarged bile ducts (I suspect from the flushings), and my blood > test showed elevated liver enzymes along with Hepatitis A and C. What I > found out after reading Dr. Cabot's book, " The Liver Cleansing Diet " , was > that my avoidance of all fats was doing or had done an extreme harm to my > liver because of it not getting the EFAs it needs for proper cell > structuring and HDL cholesterol production. > > So, in a nutshell, avoid foods that although good for the liver, cause too > much stimulation to it, at least for the time being. Foods like cabbage or > certain nuts like pecans, in my case would cause me painful or overly > uncomfortable attacks, but not ones that would send me to the hospital. > Start taking more EFAs in variety, like Flaxseed, Hemp, Olive oils. Along > with that take lecithin and taurine too. Don't worry about getting fatter > from the increased intake of fat, if that's a concern, because as your liver > starts to really function as it's suppose to do it will actually start to > burn off the other fats stored in your body. Look at it as a fireplace that > has shrunk from not having the right building blocks but now is getting the > right material it needs to become larger and better for burning off the > excess combustible materials. > > You may notice more greenish brown bowels with more of a yellow tint too, > but that's just fine because it'll mean you're getting more bile flow. > You'll also want to make sure to eat more soluble and insoluble fiber to > help the liver get rid of the older bile that will contain more of the LDL > cholesterol. Otherwise the body will tend to reabsorb up to 90% of the bile > of which you're trying to get rid. > > Keep in mind that the liver and intestines along with exercise have a > synergetic balance that needs to be maintained for proper intake of > nutrition and waste disposal. So, a clean colon as well as a functional > liver and exercise are the greater keys to getting the gallbladder back to > good or at least reasonable health, and losing that excess weight that may > have accumulated over the years. > > Dale > Da_@... > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <moondancer@...> > <gallstones > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:24 AM > Subject: gallbladder attack > > > > This is my first post so I hope you'll bear with me. My first attack > > was Thanksgiving Eve 2000, the second Christmas night and the third > > was this past Sunday evening. I'm still tender and sore in the > > abdominal area. > > > > My question is this: if my gallbladder is active in " attack " mode is > > it still possible to do the flush/cleanse routine. I have friends > > who are doctors and they are concerned that my gallbladder will > > rupture and would like me to have surgery. I have no insurance (I'm > > an artist) so I've been putting that off. My son, who is a massage > > therapist, seems to think the way to go is through the Master > > Cleanse. > > > > Help! I'm 55 and live in a fairly secluded area so that if I needed > > emergency care it wouldn't be immediately forthcoming. > > > > Any suggestions or info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > in WV > > > > > > Collected testimonials: > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > Gallstones group on 's groups. > > Post message: gallstones > > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > > Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe > > URL to this page: gallstones > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself! > > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Site for more information: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > > Have a nice day ! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 moondancer@... wrote: > My question is this: if my gallbladder is active in " attack " mode is > it still possible to do the flush/cleanse routine. Well, if it helps---three years ago I crawled out of the ER when the doc said I wouldn't die that night and managed to get home. Instead of emergency surgery, he decided I would live until Friday so he could cut me during his regular hours. Anyway, there was a call waiting for me from someone in CT who directed me how to do a flush. 5 or 6 flushes later, no more stones were coming out and I've shifted to a 3-4 times a year maintenance flush. My word, but those gallbladder attacks are awful. I haven't had one since and my gallbladder seems to be doing fine. > I have friendswho are doctors and they are concerned that my gallbladder will > rupture and would like me to have surgery. You need friends, not doctors. Regards, Rex Harrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 There us an area on the foot that can be massaged to help the pain reduce but you need someone else to do the work so as to be able to note the area and the reduction of pain. When you do it to yourself it just doesn't seem to have the same relaxation factor. Another thing that I used was a castor oil pack with a hot water bottle on top of it to help the absorption of the oil. Keep in mind though there was plastic bag over the saturated cotton pack to protect the water bottle and the bedding from getting oiled. Dale Da_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tishri7@...> <gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: Re: gallbladder attack > Hi, Dale, > I have gained much knowledge from reading your post. Recently I just had a > minor GB attack, actually before my last cleanse two weeks or so ago. It was > minor, but was enough to keep me awake all night long, if you know what I > mean. If you're having an attack, is there something that we can do to stop > the pain? I finally got up at about 6 a.m. and drank some epsom salts, which > it finally stopped shortly after that. > > Pain meds are out of the question. I now have a new doc, my old one retired. > He doesn't even know that I have GB problems, plus I have no insurance. > Anytime you talk to most of of these docs, they want you to have surgery. > thanks, > Susie > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. > Post message: gallstones > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe > URL to this page: gallstones > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Site for more information: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > Have a nice day ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 << There us an area on the foot that can be massaged to help the pain reduce but you need someone else to do the work so as to be able to note the area and the reduction of pain. When you do it to yourself it just doesn't seem to have the same relaxation factor. Another thing that I used was a castor oil pack with a hot water bottle on top of it to help the absorption of the oil. Keep in mind though there was plastic bag over the saturated cotton pack to protect the water bottle and the bedding from getting oiled. ************************ Thanks, Dale. If it happens again, I'll try it. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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