AIDS MYTH

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Tavis ,

do you know why alternative medicine does not make any sense to you?? How much of it have you actually tried or experimented with. Every time you go to the doctors and they give you a drug.. do you know what they are doing?? Experimenting!! That's right.. you don't know if you will have a negative or even fatal side effect.. You don't know if that medication will actually work.. There are no guarantees!!!! So why would you not be willing to try alternative therapies? There are less side effects, and to be honest more of a chance that they will work with your body not just cover up symptoms. You know the problem in today's society.. everyone is looking for that quick fix, that magic little pill that will cure everything in one dose.. Everyone wants someone else to guarantee for them that using a particular product or procedure will work for them..There is no such thing .. there is no such product that will work for everyone.. if that were the case everyone would be using it! All that anyone can do on this group is to try to be open and forthcoming as they can and from what I see mostly everyone is..very helpful and sharing some terrific knowledge.. they are willing to go out on a limb to share with you what they did that helped them.. Why are you choosing not to recognize this? Why are you afraid to get in there and try to make yourself healthier? There are no guarantees on anything in life but I do know one thing.. You deserve to be healthy!! I honestly and truly mean that. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Time is ticking away.. What are you waiting for? No one can do this work except for you.. You are all responsible for your own healing. You are worth it!

Shanti

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You know, I really get sick of people talking about

" AIDS myth " and " HIV does not cause AIDS, " and all

that bull because the fact of the matter is that

people are contracting this through sexual contact (in

majority of the cases) and they do get sick sometime

shortly after the virus has entered their bloodstream.

Everyone I know and have heard of, just like me, came

down with high fevers, night sweats, etc. and then

later found out that they were HIV+. I believe HIV is

real and people eventually get worse months or years

after this virus strikes. The question is " Is it

possible to live a healthy life WITHOUT HIV drugs? "

How come most people only live 10-15 yrs. after they

catch HIV on an average? HIV/AIDS is not real? Try

telling that to people who are suffering with this

thing! I had a cousin die of AIDS a few years ago and

he wasn't getting treated with HIV drugs. He was only

in his early 20s and hadn't been infected that long.

All I know is that the HIV virus is REAL and AIDS is

for real whether HIV causes AIDS or not, something is

going on!! How in the hell do we deal with it? I

still have not heard any sensible answers that have

any proof behind them! Half the time, orthodox nor

alternative medicine makes any damn sense to me!

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Re:AIDS MYTH

You know, I really get sick of people talking about"AIDS myth" and "HIV does not cause AIDS," and allthat bull because the fact of the matter is thatpeople are contracting this through sexual contact (inmajority of the cases) and they do get sick sometimeshortly after the virus has entered their bloodstream.Everyone I know and have heard of, just like me, camedown with high fevers, night sweats, etc. and thenlater found out that they were HIV+. I believe HIV isreal and people eventually get worse months or yearsafter this virus strikes. The question is "Is itpossible to live a healthy life WITHOUT HIV drugs?" How come most people only live 10-15 yrs. after theycatch HIV on an average? HIV/AIDS is not real? Trytelling that to people who are suffering with thisthing! I had a cousin die of AIDS a few years ago andhe wasn't getting treated with HIV drugs. He was onlyin his early 20s and hadn't been infected that long. All I know is that the HIV virus is REAL and AIDS isfor real whether HIV causes AIDS or not, something isgoing on!! How in the hell do we deal with it? Istill have not heard any sensible answers that haveany proof behind them! Half the time, orthodox noralternative medicine makes any damn sense to me! __________________________________________________________Cheap talk?Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.http://voice.__________ Información de NOD32, revisión 2016 (20070129) __________Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus systemhttp://www.nod32.com

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TAVIS, you have heard but you aren't paying attention. Gutzilla.

Look into it. WE know where the virus is, we have a powerful

antidote, you can build one in an hour for almost nothing. Stop

whining and get busy with it, and let us know what happens. If it

does nothing, ok then we are in deep doodoo. But this is the first

really strong possibility, ever for HIV. It started with lab

research double-blinded showing dc currents reduce HIV. It then used

another recent study(dec2006) showing HIV lives mainly in the gut and

was never hit by the drugs (and I bet Beck didn't hit it either in

the gut). Now we have the chain of reasoning extending all the way

from a medical college lab to a serious biopsy study. The reasoning

it done. The device suits the reasoning. And all I'm hearing is

beck this and beck that, and drugs this and drugs that. If anyone is

going to beat this thing it will have to be along the lines of solid

reasoning, no fan club is going to do it. I'm not a guru or a

celebrity, so I'm just like you, just a guy. But I dont' have

anything to test it on. You do. Yeah you're freaked but you can

still think. You may be one of the few who can. You count a lot in

this.

bG

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>I

> still have not heard any sensible answers that have

> any proof behind them! Half the time, orthodox nor

> alternative medicine makes any damn sense to me!

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The Federalist Papers are also good reading from history.

The ones who inject themselves I'd like to read.

bG

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> Dear friends:

> Just to expand your view on HIV and AIDS, I encourage you yo browse

through Duesberg´s site.

> Best wishes,

> Hugo

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I can understand Tavis' fears and I also agree with Shanti that to get well, a multi-pronged approach is needed. How can we say that Beck doesn't work if we can't trust the tests that determine HIV/AIDS. Someone mentioned earlier that they had odd test results - raised CK, (creatine kinase). I happen to know that this test gives false positives for heart attack when a patient has RA (rheumatoid factor). How many people have been told that they've had a heart attack with this was not factored into the equation?

I started this list in 1998 to gather and share information because I knew that the sellers of these units were unable to provide us with a private consultation. They were called "experimental blood cleaning devices."

As I understand it as it applies to AIDS, the Beck protocol is supposed to eliminate microbes in a person's body within a month. The reason the treatment must be used for a month or more is that the AIDS viruses which are inside of cells (multiplying) do not float through the blood, and may not be disabled until the host cell is killed and then eliminated through the blood......the AIDS viruses are not all in the blood at the same time. The Bob Beck Protocol does not necessarily kill the AIDS virus, but what it does is make the AIDS virus unable to attach to cells so continuous treatment is necessary. In my opinion, this could be similar to Lymes disease where the spirochetes multiply in organs, most commonly the central nervous system, kidneys, liver or brain.

I would like to get this list back on track. I am in favor of questioning these devices but I would like to leave the manufacturers of these products out of the line of fire by questioning their motives or asking for advice. There was a time when I thought these lists would be a safe place to ask these questions but the price is too high to pay in this current political climate.

Dotsie

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Hi Shanti,

He has been trying alternative therapies as in the Beck protocol. He

also opted to not take the drugs usually perscribed for HIV+. It looks

to me like he is trying as hard as he knows how. I don't know if he's

tried other therapies, but since this is a Beck protocol group, he

certainly has shared his results thus far.

Gail

-- In , shantigirl38@...

wrote:

>

> So why would you not be willing to try

> alternative therapies? <SNIP>

>

Why are you afraid to get in there and try to make yourself

healthier?

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Hi bG,

At first I couln't believe what you said about the " stop whining " . I

thought have a heart! Then I reread it, and got the jest of what you

were trying to say. You are simply encouraging him (using more of a

firm Father figure) to try the gut application because of knowing the

virus lives in the gut in the hopes of it being more successful than

the Beck protocol on the wrist.

I don't think Tavis is whining. I think he's just scared, and wants

the truth to the one question he keeps trying to get answered. Does

the Beck protocol cure AIDS? And he has every right to have the

answer. So far he's just been getting the run around. Reason being

is because Russ (or anybody else in the business) can't legally make

such a statement.

Are there clinical double-blind studies to substanctiate claims of

the protocol curing AIDS? No, I don't believe there are. There are

some reports of it reducing the viral load, but no long-lasting

studies of cures that I know of. Please correct me if I am wrong and

point me in the right direction. Now does this mean the protocol

won't help? I just can't say. We need people with first hand

knowledge to speak up. Does this mean those in the business are not

trying their hardest to help the afflicted. I know they are! But

the question still remains, does it cure AIDS? Some illness you can

live with even if a cure is not found. With AIDS one really needs a

cure in every sense of the word, thus Tavis' persistence in trying to

find the answer.

There has been talk about how stressful those in the business have

it. How they are putting their necks on the chopping block, risking

their very freedom to get the units as well as their stories out

there. All that is true, and you all are doing a marvelous job!

Still with all that being said, I do not think it compares to the

stress of being dx HIV+. It's not Tavis' neck or freedom being put

on the chopping block, rather it is his very life! And it is

not " we " who will be in " deep doodoo " if the gutzilla doesn't work,

rather it will be Tavis.

The guy is young, scared, going through a wave of emotions, trying to

survive. Any whining or outburst of any kind is completely

understandable to me. I pray he finds an answer.

Gail

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<bobluhrs@...> wrote:

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> TAVIS, you have heard but you aren't paying attention. Gutzilla.

> Look into it. WE know where the virus is, we have a powerful

> antidote, you can build one in an hour for almost nothing. Stop

> whining and get busy with it, and let us know what happens. If it

> does nothing, ok then we are in deep doodoo. But this is the first

> really strong possibility, ever for HIV. It started with lab

> research double-blinded showing dc currents reduce HIV. It then

used

> another recent study(dec2006) showing HIV lives mainly in the gut

and

> was never hit by the drugs (and I bet Beck didn't hit it either in

> the gut). Now we have the chain of reasoning extending all the way

> from a medical college lab to a serious biopsy study. The

reasoning

> it done. The device suits the reasoning. And all I'm hearing is

> beck this and beck that, and drugs this and drugs that. If anyone

is

> going to beat this thing it will have to be along the lines of

solid

> reasoning, no fan club is going to do it. I'm not a guru or a

> celebrity, so I'm just like you, just a guy. But I dont' have

> anything to test it on. You do. Yeah you're freaked but you can

> still think. You may be one of the few who can. You count a lot

in

> this.

>

> bG

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>

> >

> >I

> > still have not heard any sensible answers that have

> > any proof behind them! Half the time, orthodox nor

> > alternative medicine makes any damn sense to me!

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi Gail,

as I said, if one therapy doesn't work move on and find another.. As of todays date there has never been a cure for HIV or AIDS.. not traditional medicine or alternative therapy.. I think we can all vouch for that.. When I read all of these emails from various folks on this group I actually take the time to read what they share..No one in this entire world can make the claim there is a cure for AIDS and I am sure you will agree with me.. I have learned so much from what has been shared.. I can certainly understand Tavis and a few others on this site fears.. Dealing with our own mortality is a very scary thing even for those who are healthy. I had to spend alot of money and try alot of things before I found what worked for me and today I am totally lyme free. I am glad I didn't give up after one didn't work..I have read so many reports on this site and others about HIV and AIDS and it definately doesn't mean a death sentence. So while I am expressing my point of view I am also trying to offer encouragement.. I think the mistake folks make when they belong to these groups is that they want everyone to tell them what to do and how to do it.. Unfortunately sometimes we have to experiment on ourselves without any guarantee of results. I feel sorry he is confused and fearful but sooner or later he needs to step out of the fear,, try some other modalities. and keep moving forward because time waits for no one. and neither does illness!

Shanti

Re:AIDS MYTH

Hi Shanti,

He has been trying alternative therapies as in the Beck protocol. He

also opted to not take the drugs usually perscribed for HIV+. It looks

to me like he is trying as hard as he knows how. I don't know if he's

tried other therapies, but since this is a Beck protocol group, he

certainly has shared his results thus far.

Gail

-- In , shantigirl38@...

wrote:

>

> So why would you not be willing to try

> alternative therapies? <SNIP>

>

Why are you afraid to get in there and try to make yourself

healthier?

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Gail,

you are right on the money! The most that any of us can do every day even when you are not faced with a chronic, or life threatening illness is to put our health first.. Even if it is little things because they all add up. Unfortunately, not to sound negative we do live in a toxic world from environmental pollution, chemically treated food, poison in our drinking water, and then we have the stress on top of it all!! Healing is a complete and total lifestyle change.. I had to completely 360 my life. It did not happen overnight.. I took me 7 years and some of them were extremely unpleasant beyond anything I am allowed to say on here!! I still have days when life catches up to me and I am still unpeeling layers of living in a toxic world but I am glad I didn't give up on myself.. I believe attitude more than makes up half of the healing process.. So Tavis don't for one minute think you can't do this.. You can you can you can!!! You have to become a healing warrior!!! Yes Gail from the moment we are born it is a journey back home.. I am choosing my journey to be healthy because there is enough stress in life alone to live it being sick as well. To me there was nothing worse. You might have to try 10 types of treatments/ modalities to get it right but if you can reclaim your health then your life might get back to normalcy. Remember being sick is only a small part of who you are.. Do not become your illness. Do not let it take over and consume you. I am sure the Beck protocol will assist your body in destroying microbes and pathogens.. Keep working on building your immune system. I am sorry the Beck protocol isn't a cure for AIDS.. but I am sure it can help in destroying some of the microbes and pathogens that are pulling your immune system down. The less your immune system has to fight off microbes/ pathogens the more it will be there to make you strong and healthy. I feel honored to be a part of this group.. I have truly learned alot.

Shanti

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Gail,

Thank you so much! Well said as that's EXACTLY what

I was thinking! I have been doing the Beck Protocol

and I have read other's posts about their progress

with the BB Protocol, and no one is " cured " like he

said they would be. Yeah you have to try this and you

can't expect that, but the fact of the matter is that

there are alot of sites and a few videos on the

internet (Bob Beck lectures) that literally make the

claim that there is now a " cure for AIDS, " and it only

costs $1.32 (approx. cost of Wrigley's chewing gum,

according to Beck). Sota Instruments were endorsed by

Bob Beck to his specifications so those are the units

I ordered. I guess my frustration is more with Bob

Beck than anything else. He said this method WILL

WORK and you can use this on your friends as well.

That gets people excited and gives them so much hope

and so when they try it and don't get the results,

people get upset! I think that's perfectly

understandable. You put your trust in what someone

says, spend almost $1,000 on the units and then you

don't get cured and you read where others aren't

cured...um yeah, you tend to get a little pissed,

let's keep it real.

I do not plan on going on HIV drugs. I will

continue to give Bob Beck's Protocol a chance, and I

will continue to use my Terminator II zapper day and

night. I also just ordered some Hulda herbs and

looking at glyconutrients. I am definitely giving

alternative therapy a chance, Shanti! Yes, we have to

be responsible for our own decisions regarding health,

but others should also be made responsible for the

information they give and the claims that they make.

Bob Beck is dead now, so I'm sure he's been made

responsible for the info. and claims that he made.

People are buying these instruments for a CURE of

their disease (yeah, a quick fix in 3-5 weeks) because

that's what is put out on the internet and the Bob

Beck videos and that's what people are expecting,

sorry!

bG, I will definitely look into your new creation,

but I'm gonna have to get someone to do it for me

because I AM NOT " electrically inclined. " Hopefully

you're onto something and yes I know there are no

guarantees. Unlike Bob Beck, you didn't say that this

WOULD CURE hiv. I think I make perfect sense on this

matter. If I'm not, please correct me.

Tavis

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I have heard that AIDS is caused by a virus and from some sources not caused by a virus. LDN was tested on AIDS in the 1980's and then not pursued, covered up or whatever. It does not cure AIDS but if you catch it sufficiently early while you look for a more effective treatment.

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Tavis, did you do the full bb protocul (what to not eat,or take,silver,ozonated water?) Tavis Tavis <onenuttyguyhere@...> wrote: Gail, Thank you so much! Well said as that's EXACTLY what I was thinking! I have been doing the Beck Protocol and I have read other's posts about their progress with the BB Protocol, and no one is "cured" like he said they would be. Yeah you have to try this and you can't expect that, but the fact of the matter is that there are alot of sites and a few

videos on the internet (Bob Beck lectures) that literally make the claim that there is now a "cure for AIDS," and it only costs $1.32 (approx. cost of Wrigley's chewing gum, according to Beck). Sota Instruments were endorsed by Bob Beck to his specifications so those are the units I ordered. I guess my frustration is more with Bob Beck than anything else. He said this method WILL WORK and you can use this on your friends as well. That gets people excited and gives them so much hope and so when they try it and don't get the results, people get upset! I think that's perfectly understandable. You put your trust in what someone says, spend almost $1,000 on the units and then you don't get cured and you read where others aren't cured...um yeah, you tend to get a little pissed, let's keep it real. I do not plan on going on HIV drugs. I will continue to give Bob Beck's Protocol a chance, and

I will continue to use my Terminator II zapper day and night. I also just ordered some Hulda herbs and looking at glyconutrients. I am definitely giving alternative therapy a chance, Shanti! Yes, we have to be responsible for our own decisions regarding health, but others should also be made responsible for the information they give and the claims that they make. Bob Beck is dead now, so I'm sure he's been made responsible for the info. and claims that he made. People are buying these instruments for a CURE of their disease (yeah, a quick fix in 3-5 weeks) because that's what is put out on the internet and the Bob Beck videos and that's what people are expecting, sorry! bG, I will definitely look into your new creation, but I'm gonna have to get someone to do it for me because I AM NOT "electrically inclined." Hopefully you're onto something and yes I know there are no guarantees. Unlike Bob Beck, you didn't say that this WOULD CURE hiv. I think I make perfect sense on this matter. If I'm not, please correct me. Tavis __________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367

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Being poz is not a concern to me, as this simply means one has antibodies, a good sign in every other form of viral infection except aids inc; Of more concern is general health and perhaps cd4 numbers, which is debateable. Meredith <meredith848@...> wrote: Tavis, did you do the full bb protocul (what to not eat,or take,silver,ozonated water?) Tavis Tavis <onenuttyguyhere > wrote: Gail,Thank you so much! Well said as that's EXACTLY whatI was thinking! I have been doing the Beck Protocoland I have read other's posts about their progresswith the BB Protocol, and no one is "cured" like hesaid they would be. Yeah you have to try this and youcan't expect that, but the fact of the matter is thatthere are alot of sites and a few videos on theinternet (Bob Beck lectures) that literally make theclaim that there is now a "cure for AIDS," and it onlycosts $1.32 (approx. cost of Wrigley's chewing gum,according to Beck). Sota Instruments were endorsed byBob Beck to his specifications so those are the unitsI ordered. I guess my frustration is more with BobBeck than anything else. He said this method WILLWORK and you can use this on your friends as well. That gets people excited and gives

them so much hopeand so when they try it and don't get the results,people get upset! I think that's perfectlyunderstandable. You put your trust in what someonesays, spend almost $1,000 on the units and then youdon't get cured and you read where others aren'tcured...um yeah, you tend to get a little pissed,let's keep it real. I do not plan on going on HIV drugs. I willcontinue to give Bob Beck's Protocol a chance, and Iwill continue to use my Terminator II zapper day andnight. I also just ordered some Hulda herbs andlooking at glyconutrients. I am definitely givingalternative therapy a chance, Shanti! Yes, we have tobe responsible for our own decisions regarding health,but others should also be made responsible for theinformation they give and the claims that they make. Bob Beck is dead now, so I'm sure he's been maderesponsible for the info. and claims that he made. People are buying

these instruments for a CURE oftheir disease (yeah, a quick fix in 3-5 weeks) becausethat's what is put out on the internet and the BobBeck videos and that's what people are expecting,sorry!bG, I will definitely look into your new creation,but I'm gonna have to get someone to do it for mebecause I AM NOT "electrically inclined." Hopefullyyou're onto something and yes I know there are noguarantees. Unlike Bob Beck, you didn't say that thisWOULD CURE hiv. I think I make perfect sense on thismatter. If I'm not, please correct me.Tavis__________________________________________________________Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.