Re: Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-400

[Guest guest]

Russ,

and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and could you

do the first one for me,

for figuring out how long it takes to ozonate to saturation a 1gallon

(2gal., etc...) vessel.

I know temp. plays a role so lets say (room temp.) 75degrees Fahrenheit.

Thanks,

Ron

Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-400

Hi Follks,

I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could get

them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400. The

Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and the

Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen unit

was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel ozone

tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am guessing

at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the USA I

believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is not that

bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was smaller than the

Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would in no way output

400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature Kleen, but was not

really that bad considering the low retail price of $199 USD. Both

units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from the wall outlet) and

to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of safety standard

certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do not require UL/CSA

for sale in North America.

Test Results:

First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady 200

mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output this is

a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA/CE.

Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output with

peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator with

very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to exceed

300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water ozonation.

Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

Cheers!

Russ :>)

[Guest guest]

> Hi Follks,

> I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could

get them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400.

The Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and

the Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

> I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen

unit was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel

ozone tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am

guessing at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the

USA I believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is

not that bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was

smaller than the Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would

in no way output 400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature

Kleen, but was not really that bad considering the low retail price

of $199 USD. Both units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from

the wall outlet) and to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of

safety standard certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do

not require UL/CSA for sale in North America.

> Test Results:

> First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady 200

mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output this

is a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no

UL/CSA/CE.

> Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output

with peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator

with very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to

exceed 300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water

ozonation.

> Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

> Cheers!

> Russ :>)

Hi Russ:

Thanks for the good, useful info.

Could you elaberate a bit on your testing method? What test

instrument did you use? And was the medium steam-distilled water?

Thanks, Ted

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

The saturation time is a factor of O3 concentration, water

temperature, water purity and efficiency of mixing O3 with the water.

I can give you a general idea. My ozonator outputs 200mg/Hr. It takes

2 minutes to fully saturate (~800-1,000 mV ORP) a glass of chilled

distilled water. A 275mg/Hr unit would do that in about 1.5 minutes.

Simply multiply the number of glasses in a gallon by 1.5 minutes.

For room temperatutre water, double the time.

Russ :>)

> Russ,

> and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

>

> With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and

could you

> do the first one for me,

> for figuring out how long it takes to ozonate to saturation a

1gallon

> (2gal., etc...) vessel.

> I know temp. plays a role so lets say (room temp.) 75degrees

Fahrenheit.

>

> Thanks,

> Ron

>

> Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-

400

>

>

>

> Hi Follks,

> I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could

get

> them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400.

The

> Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and

the

> Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

> I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen

unit

> was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel ozone

> tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am

guessing

> at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the USA I

> believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is not

that

> bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was smaller than

the

> Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would in no way output

> 400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature Kleen, but was not

> really that bad considering the low retail price of $199 USD. Both

> units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from the wall outlet)

and

> to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of safety standard

> certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do not require

UL/CSA

> for sale in North America.

> Test Results:

>

> First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady 200

> mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

> around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output this

is

> a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no

UL/CSA/CE.

>

> Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output with

> peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator with

> very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to exceed

> 300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water ozonation.

> Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

>

> Cheers!

> Russ :>)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Russ,

Thanks,

Just so happens I know there are 16 glasses (8oz.) to a gallon (128oz.)

so... 16 x 1.5 = 24min. Double is 48 or 50minutes for a gallon.

Now Russ was your chilled water RO?

You mentioned water purity, is that as big a factor as temperature? (double)

What about exposed surface area? A glass has about a 3in. dia. exposed

surface area where it can lose the ozone, a gallon container might be 1 " and

a foot bath might have 12 sq. inches. Would it take longer to ozone a

gallon in a foot bath compared to a container?

Thanks,

Ron

Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-

400

>

>

>

> Hi Follks,

> I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could

get

> them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400.

The

> Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and

the

> Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

> I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen

unit

> was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel ozone

> tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am

guessing

> at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the USA I

> believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is not

that

> bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was smaller than

the

> Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would in no way output

> 400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature Kleen, but was not

> really that bad considering the low retail price of $199 USD. Both

> units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from the wall outlet)

and

> to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of safety standard

> certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do not require

UL/CSA

> for sale in North America.

> Test Results:

>

> First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady 200

> mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

> around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output this

is

> a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no

UL/CSA/CE.

>

> Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output with

> peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator with

> very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to exceed

> 300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water ozonation.

> Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

>

> Cheers!

> Russ :>)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

If the water is pure and does not contain organics, then there will

be more ozone available to saturate the water. I am sure your water

is potable, so RO, spring water, etc. should be fine. Distilled water

allows for the highest O3 saturation because it has essentially

nothing in it to interact with the ozone.

Time to ozonate a gallon container will be dependant upon how much

ozone gas is allowed to escape. A glass apple cider container has a

very narrow neck, so little ozone escapes. 30-40 minutes should

ozonate this fine. Higher temperatures allow less and less ozone to

be saturated. Chilled water is best. Room temperature water loses

about 25%-30% saturation. Hot tap water almost has no ozone

saturation abilities. (that's why hot tap water has less chlorine in

it!!!)

Capping the container after ozonating it can keep the ozone " trapped "

for a couple of hours, although the ozone's ability to oxidize

diminishes proportionally.

If you can taste the ozone in the water, you will be getting benefits.

Hope this helps.

Russ :>)

> > Russ,

> > and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

> >

> > With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and

> could you

> > do the first one for me,

> > for figuring out how long it takes to ozonate to saturation a

> 1gallon

> > (2gal., etc...) vessel.

> > I know temp. plays a role so lets say (room temp.) 75degrees

> Fahrenheit.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ron

> >

> > Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water

Ozonator-

> 400

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Follks,

> > I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could

> get

> > them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400.

> The

> > Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and

> the

> > Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

> > I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen

> unit

> > was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel ozone

> > tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am

> guessing

> > at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the USA I

> > believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is not

> that

> > bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was smaller than

> the

> > Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would in no way

output

> > 400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature Kleen, but was

not

> > really that bad considering the low retail price of $199 USD.

Both

> > units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from the wall outlet)

> and

> > to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of safety standard

> > certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do not require

> UL/CSA

> > for sale in North America.

> > Test Results:

> >

> > First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady

200

> > mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

> > around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output

this

> is

> > a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no

> UL/CSA/CE.

> >

> > Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output

with

> > peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator

with

> > very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to exceed

> > 300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water ozonation.

> > Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

> >

> > Cheers!

> > Russ :>)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

If the water is pure and does not contain organics, then there will

be more ozone available to saturate the water. I am sure your water

is potable, so RO, spring water, etc. should be fine. Distilled water

allows for the highest O3 saturation because it has essentially

nothing in it to interact with the ozone.

Time to ozonate a gallon container will be dependant upon how much

ozone gas is allowed to escape. A glass apple cider container has a

very narrow neck, so little ozone escapes. 30-40 minutes should

ozonate this fine. Higher temperatures allow less and less ozone to

be saturated. Chilled water is best. Room temperature water loses

about 25%-30% saturation. Hot tap water almost has no ozone

saturation abilities. (that's why hot tap water has less chlorine in

it!!!)

Capping the container after ozonating it can keep the ozone " trapped "

for a couple of hours, although the ozone's ability to oxidize

diminishes proportionally.

If you can taste the ozone in the water, you will be getting benefits.

Hope this helps.

Russ :>)

> > Russ,

> > and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

> >

> > With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and

> could you

> > do the first one for me,

> > for figuring out how long it takes to ozonate to saturation a

> 1gallon

> > (2gal., etc...) vessel.

> > I know temp. plays a role so lets say (room temp.) 75degrees

> Fahrenheit.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ron

> >

> > Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water

Ozonator-

> 400

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Follks,

> > I finally found someone to send me these 2 x ozonators so I could

> get

> > them tested for O3 output: Nature Kleen, and Water Ozonator-400.

> The

> > Nature Kleen has been rated at 250mg/Hr by the manufacturer, and

> the

> > Water Ozonator-400 is rated at 400mg/Hr by the manufacturer.

> > I opened up both units to see the workmanship. The Nature Kleen

> unit

> > was very well built and used a high quality stainless-steel ozone

> > tube. I do not know what the dielectric material is so I am

> guessing

> > at quartz glass. A fine ozonator indeed. It is built in the USA I

> > believe, and retails for $269 USD. The Water Ozonator-400 is not

> that

> > bad for a ozonator made in China. The ozone tube was smaller than

> the

> > Nature Kleen, and I knew intuitively that it would in no way

output

> > 400mg/Hr. The build quality was less than Nature Kleen, but was

not

> > really that bad considering the low retail price of $199 USD.

Both

> > units require 110VAC 60 Hertz power (direct from the wall outlet)

> and

> > to my knowledge neither unit had any kind of safety standard

> > certificates like UL/CSA. 12 Volt DC ozonators do not require

> UL/CSA

> > for sale in North America.

> > Test Results:

> >

> > First the Water Ozonator-400: Ozone concentration was a steady

200

> > mg/Hr output. This actually surprised me as I thought it would be

> > around 150mg/Hr. Conclusion: For $199 USD and 200mg/Hr output

this

> is

> > a real bargain. Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no

> UL/CSA/CE.

> >

> > Nature Kleen: Ozone concentration was minimum 275 mg/Hr output

with

> > peaks into the 300mg/Hr range. Conclusion: Excellent ozonator

with

> > very high output. For ozonating water there is no need to exceed

> > 300mg/Hr output, so this would be perfect for water ozonation.

> > Disadvantage is 110VAC 60~ operation and no UL/CSA.

> >

> > Cheers!

> > Russ :>)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ted,

The ozone analyser used is a GM Anceros Ozone-in-Air Analyser. Since

it was tested in air, no water was used. The output was tested at 5

minute intervals up to 30 minutes total time to see if as the unit

heated there would be any changes in O3 output.

Russ :>)

> Hi Russ:

> Thanks for the good, useful info.

> Could you elaberate a bit on your testing method? What test

> instrument did you use? And was the medium steam-distilled water?

> Thanks, Ted

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron--

Sorry to be so tardy in responding. I've been up-country for some time,

where there is no internet access. Did you get your question

satisfactorily answered? If not, I will try to dig up some old graphs

for you on solubility vs. temp. I also should be able to find something

for you on pressure, which plays a significant role.

I'm terribly sorry to read about the problems that your daughter faced,

how is she doing now? I'm especially aware of her discomfort, having

contracted severe chemical pneumonia myself during high-school days ...

not at all fun!

Regards/, in Bangkok

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Petruccione

[mailto:petruccione@...]

Russ,

and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and could

you do the first one for me, for figuring out how long it takes to

ozonate to saturation a 1gallon (2gal., etc...) vessel. I know temp.

plays a role so lets say (room temp.) 75degrees Fahrenheit.

Thanks,

Ron

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[Guest guest]

,

Just remembered.

I'm giving a talk to my Autism Support group in January and I need to speak

to them in regards to why they need to stop drinking their tap water and

need to filter their house and stop using chlorine in their pools and go the

way of salt or ozone. Have any good websites I can gleam from to make up a

presentation?

Ron

RE: Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-400

Hi Ron--

Sorry to be so tardy in responding. I've been up-country for some time,

where there is no internet access. Did you get your question satisfactorily

answered? If not, I will try to dig up some old graphs for you on

solubility vs. temp. I also should be able to find something for you on

pressure, which plays a significant role.

I'm terribly sorry to read about the problems that your daughter faced, how

is she doing now? I'm especially aware of her discomfort, having contracted

severe chemical pneumonia myself during high-school days ... not at all fun!

Regards/, in Bangkok

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Petruccione

[mailto:petruccione@...]

Russ,

and I think maybe , in Bangkok might know this too.

With the Nature Kleens 275mg/hr output, what is the equation, and could you

do the first one for me, for figuring out how long it takes to ozonate to

saturation a 1gallon (2gal., etc...) vessel. I know temp. plays a role so

lets say (room temp.) 75degrees Fahrenheit.

Thanks,

Ron

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opps sorry list, private email. But if you have a good site for.

What's wrong with " tap water " , feel free email off list.

Thanks

Ron

RE: Ozone Testing of Nature Kleen and Water Ozonator-400

,

Just remembered.

I'm giving a talk to my Autism Support group in January and I need to speak

to them in regards to why they need to stop drinking their tap water and

need to filter their house and stop using chlorine in their pools and go the

way of salt or ozone. Have any good websites I can gleam from to make up a

presentation?

Ron