Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Hi Melinda, Personally I would just apply for a religious exemption. Religion is subjective. I don't think you have to give a reason, but I'm not in the US. If you give the aborted foetal cell lines as a reason, then you've painted yourself into a corner with regard to the other vaccines that you want to avoid. Also, it may irritate people if you say why - it may seem as though you are pointing out their shortcomings if they are Catholic & are either ignorant of the issue, or they never thought about it. We home-schooled, but my sister just used to keep her children at home whenever they had " Merck drives " at school. Even a medical exemption can lose its efficacy if the goalposts change - they might say that vaccines are so improved now, that they are safe to give to newborns and pregnant women and sick people, so your objection on medical grounds doesn't stand up. Aaargh!! They already do, don't they!?! Stick with religion. Good luck, Maracuja From: spanishmiss430 <spanishmiss430@...> Subject: Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 1:24 PM If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious exemption to those vaccines? Melinda C. in Mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 spanishmiss430 wrote: >If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly >pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious >exemption to those vaccines? > If your state allows for religious exemptions, and all but two do, then WHATEVER your religious beliefs are (and whatever you believe in IS a religion; it doesn't have to be a certain church; your personal beliefs are enough) that is your religion. You do not usually have to explain your religious beliefs or even prove that you're religious or mention what church you do or don't belong to, etc., unless your state is one of the harder ones to claim a religious exemption in. Read the exact wording of the law in your state and then write an exemption letter using those words exactly and exclusively (unless the law requires more detail). Some states harass people, like in some parts of NY, where you need assistance in writing your exemption letter carefully, but for the most part intervention like that isn't needed. And you do know that an exemption letter is only needed for school attendance, right? It's not needed to live on this planet or anything like that. Sheri's pages will have more info, and if you need to contact someone in Mass. to help you write your letter, she might have info on that, too. Otherwise, post your request on this list and I'm sure someone in Mass. can give you the contact person who'll help you. hth, Bobbett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 I second that on the religious exemption - I feel more protected using it versus the others. Aja, I am Just curious... did your sister ever receive warning in writing from the school concerning the " merck drive " ? I have a long way to go before i worry about that if at all but just wasn't aware they were doing this in schools. ari Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 1:24 PM If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious exemption to those vaccines? Melinda C. in Mass. ~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. " - Albert Einstein, 1901 " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://forcedanarchy.blogspot.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://w\ ww.vran.org/~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 What is the Merck drive? I've never heard of that. Winnie Re: Vaccine ingredients > Vaccinations > Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 1:24 PM > > If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are > strongly > pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious > exemption to those vaccines? > Melinda C. in Mass. > > > ~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of > truth. " - Albert Einstein, 1901 " The only safe vaccine is a > vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National > Institutes of Health > www.vaclib.org > www.909shot.com > http://www.vacinfo.org/ > http://forcedanarchy.blogspot.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://w\ ww.vran.org/~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Both of my boys are medically exempt from vaccines. vaccine manufacturers state contraindications to vaccinations where ceratin adverse reactions occur and neurological complications. My 9 yo son was born with neuro-conditions and my 6 yo son had adverse reactions to his two month shots and since the medical profession can not difinitively say which 'one' caused his reactions, he will not be vaccinated...to do so would be risky..like playing russian roulette. Even if vaccines somehow were to become safe (I don't see how) it wouldn't change the exemption status for my kids...my 9 yo will never outgrow his neuro-conditions and my 6 yo already proved he is sensitive to shots. Having a medical exemption to vaccines is like indicating vaccines can do harm and those who require proof of this status often scoff at the notion...this ignorant belief system is well quite ignorant dispite the manufacturers own list and statements of adverse reactions and personal/family history of seizures.....even with contraindications doctors can make their own professional judgement wether a child can or should be vaccinated. My decision is what matters...without compromise. Also the adverse reactions listed with vaccine manufacturers inserts/manuals only show medically compromised/medically induced conditions that would be difficult to challenge in the event of actual pre-exsisting conditions and after a adverse reaction had occured.....to vaccinate inspite of these facts would be outright professional (medical) disregard life and health. Sadly. the other exemptions (religious and philisophical) have come under scrutiny in some states. Religious and philisophical exemptions are recognized as a legal right in most states however, the interpretation of these exemptions can vary from state to state and parents can find themselves with a hugh challenge on their hands to explain their reasons when challenged by medical/school officials.medical exemptions can be challenged also , although there isn't much 'gray area' with this type of exemption and can be difficult for 'the powers that be' to refute the validity. I second that on the religious exemption - I feel more protected using it versus the others. Aja, I am Just curious... did your sister ever receive warning in writing from the school concerning the " merck drive " ? I have a long way to go before i worry about that if at all but just wasn't aware they were doing this in schools. ari Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 1:24 PM If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious exemption to those vaccines? Melinda C. in Mass. ~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. " - Albert Einstein, 1901 " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://forcedanarchy.blogspot.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://w\ ww.vran.org/~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 mrsphilly6 <mrsphilly6@...> wrote: Both of my boys are medically exempt from vaccines. vaccine manufacturers state contraindications to vaccinations where ceratin adverse reactions occur and neurological complications. My 9 yo son was born with neuro-conditions and my 6 yo son had adverse reactions to his two month shots and since the medical profession can not difinitively say which 'one' caused his reactions, he will not be vaccinated...to do so would be risky..like playing russian roulette. Even if vaccines somehow were to become safe (I don't see how) it wouldn't change the exemption status for my kids...my 9 yo will never outgrow his neuro-conditions and my 6 yo already proved he is sensitive to shots. Having a medical exemption to vaccines is like indicating vaccines can do harm and those who require proof of this status often scoff at the notion...this ignorant belief system is well quite ignorant dispite the manufacturers own list and statements of adverse reactions and personal/family history of seizures.....even with contraindications doctors can make their own professional judgement wether a child can or should be vaccinated. My decision is what matters...without compromise. Also the adverse reactions listed with vaccine manufacturers inserts/manuals only show medically compromised/medically induced conditions that would be difficult to challenge in the event of actual pre-exsisting conditions and after a adverse reaction had occured.....to vaccinate inspite of these facts would be outright professional (medical) disregard life and health. Sadly. the other exemptions (religious and philisophical) have come under scrutiny in some states. Religious and philisophical exemptions are recognized as a legal right in most states however, the interpretation of these exemptions can vary from state to state and parents can find themselves with a hugh challenge on their hands to explain their reasons when challenged by medical/school officials.medical exemptions can be challenged also , although there isn't much 'gray area' with this type of exemption and can be difficult for 'the powers that be' to refute the validity. I second that on the religious exemption - I feel more protected using it versus the others. Aja, I am Just curious... did your sister ever receive warning in writing from the school concerning the " merck drive " ? I have a long way to go before i worry about that if at all but just wasn't aware they were doing this in schools. ari Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 1:24 PM If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious exemption to those vaccines? Melinda C. in Mass. ~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. " - Albert Einstein, 1901 " The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. , National Institutes of Health www.vaclib.org www.909shot.com http://www.vacinfo.org/ http://forcedanarchy.blogspot.com/http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htmhttp://w\ ww.vran.org/~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hello Ari, I live in NZ where the health department enlists the help of the schools to push their dirty products. They've done it for decades. I remember the BCG I received at high school & that contaminated Connaught polio sip at primary school. There had already been an incident at the school where one smart alec boy had lined up for a second jab out of bravado AND GOT IT without the idiot medicos noticing, & others whose parents had not consented, were jabbed. My sister is a force with which to be reckoned. Seeing they couldn't really guarantee her childrens' safety, the children were kept home. She was never threatened. I bet she threatened THEM. ) We don't have to apply for exemptions - all we have to do is fill in a consent or non-consent form, but we are made to feel like lepers by the ignorant. This info is entered into a national database for tracking during their fake outbreaks and epidemics. My sister wouldn't even do that. She said it was her business only - their health & medical treatments were the province of her medical practitioners. Her poor daughter was very embarrassed then, but now admires her! Good luck with it in the future. Maracuja From: Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@...> Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 6:43 AM I second that on the religious exemption - I feel more protected using it versus the others. Aja, I am Just curious... did your sister ever receive warning in writing from the school concerning the " merck drive " ? I have a long way to go before i worry about that if at all but just wasn't aware they were doing this in schools. ari Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103) ~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston Recent Activity 15 New MembersVisit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hello Winnie, Sometimes I think we have vaccine campaigns in NZ when some drug co has vaccines reaching their use-by-dates, not necessarily Merck. They line the children up for vaccines at school, a most pernicious practice. The last one was the meningitis one - we have a population of 4m. The aim was to jab 1m up to the age of 19, a whole generation. People weren't going back for the boosters though, as many suffered bad reactions. There were meant to be 3 jabs, but children were still coming down with meningitis, so more is better, they started giving them 4 jabs!!!! They also have a vaccine van, like an ice-cream truck. It's parked outside Mcs on welfare day. Appalling! Maracuja From: wharrison@... <wharrison@...> Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 6:46 AM What is the Merck drive? I've never heard of that. Winnie ----- Recent Activity 15 New MembersVisit Your Group Health Asthma Triggers How you can identify them. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. w/ McEnroe Join the All-Bran Day 10 Club. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 This is such a great question! I went through Dr. Sears' book The Vaccine Book: Making the Right Decision for Your Child, and found " human albumin (blood proteins) " as a controversial ingredient in the vax for Polio and MMR, and " residual components of the Merck human diploid cells, including DNA and proteins from the cells (p. 103) " in the Varicella (c/p) vaccine. In the Hep A vaccine, there are human cell proteins in the Havrix brand. Other vax include ingredients such as cow blood proteins, baby cow blood serum, monkey kidney cells, and/or fetal cow blood. Hope this helps... Elissa > > If certain vaccines include aborted fetal tissue, and you are strongly > pro-life due to religious beliefs, could you claim a religious > exemption to those vaccines? > Melinda C. in Mass. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Egads. They don't do that here in the US that I know of, although they did when I was little. I remember eating the sugar cubes with the polio vaccine on it in elementary school. Winnie Re: Re: Vaccine ingredients > Vaccinations > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 6:46 AM > > > > > > > What is the Merck drive? I've never heard of that. > > Winnie > > ----- > > > > Recent Activity > > > 15 > New MembersVisit Your Group > > > Health > Asthma Triggers > How you can > identify them. > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > A Group > to share and learn. > > > w/ McEnroe > Join the All-Bran > Day 10 Club. > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 I use the philosophical exemption because not all the vaccines contain aborted fetal cells. Or do they, and I just don't know??? Great thread! (CA) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch " Cooking with Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 No, they don't. Good for you to use the philosophical exemption. Someone went to a lot of trouble to get that passed for you. Winnie Re: Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations > I use the philosophical exemption because not all the vaccines > contain > aborted fetal cells. Or do they, and I just don't know??? > > Great thread! > > (CA) > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > " Cooking with > Tyler Florence " on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler- > florence?video=4 & ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/ingredients.html http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/VaccineIngredients.htm > > Hello Everyone, > > I had a lot of saved emails that I lost. > > Would you please email me the link(s) that provide the vaccine ingredients. > > Also, any past info. you have sent on Gardasil (spelling?) > > Thanks, > Mirielle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/ingredients.html http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/VaccineIngredients.htm > > Hello Everyone, > > I had a lot of saved emails that I lost. > > Would you please email me the link(s) that provide the vaccine ingredients. > > Also, any past info. you have sent on Gardasil (spelling?) > > Thanks, > Mirielle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html http://www.knowvaccines.com/vaccineingredients.htm http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/ingredients.html http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/VaccineIngredients.htm > > Hello Everyone, > > I had a lot of saved emails that I lost. > > Would you please email me the link(s) that provide the vaccine ingredients. > > Also, any past info. you have sent on Gardasil (spelling?) > > Thanks, > Mirielle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 No, they admit that: " All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts. " That would include the pediatric flu vaccines, which are recommended (which is all the CDC concerns itself with, not with legal mandates). What they don't say is that if pediatric flu vaccines aren't available, the children will be given ones with mercury, unless the parents are on their toes. But, you are correct. They are leaving out that information while still being " truthful. " Winnie Vaccine ingredients Vaccinations > I came across this CDC website. Are they being truthful, or > not? They are not admitting the flu shot that is recommended > and soon to be madated for infants have thimerosal. > > http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdfFor those folks that actually getting vaccines still, this might help you in your decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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