Here we go again..Get those shots....

[Guest guest]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/videos/home.aspx

Watch the 4 part series on the new push for the flu shot...this one is worse than the last one.

[Guest guest]

Canada's doing OK so far; 46% of Canadians did not get a flu shot last season.

Step up the training about what the flu shot is and what it really means to

biology and we may hit 65% this year!

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/videos/home.aspx

> <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/videos/home.aspx>

>

> Watch the 4 part series on the new push for the flu shot...this one is

> worse than the last one.

>

[Guest guest]

The videos argued that the alarm for h1n1 went out then no catastrophe occurred.

But then also argues we don't know the long term effects of vaccines and you

should not do it since they might be catastrophic. It's the same argument. The

fact there was no mutation of H1n1 into something truly deadly was luck. The

less people getting vaccinated the more people will get live virus they are not

immune to, and the more likely a bad mutation will occur. I'm certainly not

saying vaccines are harmless for everyone, as there is a documented risk. But

virus also carries a risk of mutation into a deadly form, and that risk goes up

with the more people do not have immunity through vaccinations. Everyone who

catches the flu offers it a chance to mutate while they fight it off. Even if

they survive, the virus will have been passed to the next person in an altered

form.

bG

> >

> >

> > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/videos/home.aspx

> > <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/videos/home.aspx>

> >

> > Watch the 4 part series on the new push for the flu shot...this one is

> > worse than the last one.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

bG I think the most potent flu mutations are genetically spliced and grown in a

lab. Even if it wasn't so, racking up shots is probably not biologically

sustainable anyway.

I'll await further developments, but it'll take a lot more than reasonable

arguments for my personal safety to change my mind this year, and I don't at all

think the arguments for vaccination are reasonable. If I survive this winter,

I'll probably survive next winter too

You know, my grandmother was in medical school, nearly graduated before taking

on a post as headmistress of a school in Scotland. With what she had learned by

the early 1940s she strongly opposed vaccines and lied about having them in

order to get her kids onto the ship headed for Canada. Vaccination hasn't

changed. I agree with her.

all good,

Duncan

>

> The videos argued that the alarm for h1n1 went out then no catastrophe

occurred. But then also argues we don't know the long term effects of vaccines

and you should not do it since they might be catastrophic. It's the same

argument. The fact there was no mutation of H1n1 into something truly deadly

was luck. The less people getting vaccinated the more people will get live

virus they are not immune to, and the more likely a bad mutation will occur.

I'm certainly not saying vaccines are harmless for everyone, as there is a

documented risk. But virus also carries a risk of mutation into a deadly form,

and that risk goes up with the more people do not have immunity through

vaccinations. Everyone who catches the flu offers it a chance to mutate while

they fight it off. Even if they survive, the virus will have been passed to the

next person in an altered form.

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/27/2010 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b7494@... writes:

The evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have debates about vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter.

Until you have lived with the trauma of vaccine damage personally, you will never know the real damage that these vaccines cause. The doctors who innoculate our children with this ticking time bomb poison refuse to take responsibility for the damage they have caused. Do you want to be told that the percentage for serious side effects is small when it's your child who won the jackpot?

The thimerosal is still in the vaccines. They only raised the safety and concentration levels so that they can claim that there is no thimerosal in vaccines.........and that's just one ingredient.

My granddaughter was born a healthy, happy little girl. She received the MMR when she was only a few months old, against my wishes. Since that day, she has symptoms of stroke and cannot use her right arm and although not as bad, she has trouble using her right leg. The doctors told my daughter that she had a stroke at birth. I have videos of her waving her right arm before the vaccination. None of my other grandchildren have been vaccinated.

From:

http://www.zhealthinfo.com/vac-myths.htm

VACCINATION TRUTH #6: 

"The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both embraced and rejected the vaccine." 

VACCINATION MYTH #6: 

"Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..." ...or was it? 

Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported increases as well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and Utah actually halted vaccination due to the 

increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine). During 1962 U.S. congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio 

increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations-a 50% increase from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959 but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.  It is 

important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in European countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those that employed it. 

According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before 

the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics after the vaccine. Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms lasting 60 days (many polio victims' paralysis was 

temporary). It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. 

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Katz of Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have 

taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the western hemisphere. Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human sacrifices each year." Compounding 

this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP "sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use. 

To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by the time the vaccine was introduced. 

Dotsie

 

[Guest guest]

I respect your views, Duncan, of course. In my own case I remember the neighbor

of ours before the Salk Vaccine came out. Their kid got polio and spent rest of

his life in a wheelchair. What was more, no one would thereafter visit or have

anything to do with the whole family for fear of catching the virus.

It's my observation that we have a very quiet period now in which real bad

viruses are not even remembered by most people. I hope it continues. The

evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have debates about

vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter. It means we do not have

a serious germ in the wild..at the moment. If we had, there would be little to

debate. The vaccines do have horrible side effects for some people, it's very

true, but the 'big' viruses are no bargain either. It's hard to conjure up the

horror of it in this day and age as our health problems consist of things our

lifestyle can fix. A vaccine, in such an environment can look like just another

wellness choice. But it can change quickly to a dire situation in which the

un-vaccinated would be in trouble both from the virus and from the scared

neighbors. This happened all over the US in the 1918 Flu, and the Polio I

alluded to. I don't know what to say except this is a very serious decision we

all are undertaking while having at the same time very little hard motivation on

the side of getting a hole stuck in your arm! I know I hate the dentist except

when I have a toothache.

There have been vaccines in the past that have been bad, and there have been

corrections made to them, according to my medical person/friend working in a

major medical center in the US. I brought up some issues with a certain vaccine

and she said, yes, they know and it has been fixed in that vaccine. Vaccines

are no different from cars or other inventions, there's versions and

improvements, and there will be mistakes, and even recalls.

Best to all, and good luck with your decisions!

bG

> >

> > The videos argued that the alarm for h1n1 went out then no catastrophe

occurred. But then also argues we don't know the long term effects of vaccines

and you should not do it since they might be catastrophic. It's the same

argument. The fact there was no mutation of H1n1 into something truly deadly

was luck. The less people getting vaccinated the more people will get live

virus they are not immune to, and the more likely a bad mutation will occur.

I'm certainly not saying vaccines are harmless for everyone, as there is a

documented risk. But virus also carries a risk of mutation into a deadly form,

and that risk goes up with the more people do not have immunity through

vaccinations. Everyone who catches the flu offers it a chance to mutate while

they fight it off. Even if they survive, the virus will have been passed to the

next person in an altered form.

> >

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

bG, I understand what you're saying about being careful to accept the good but

not the bad, and the devil is in the detail. Categorizing is not always a good

thing, as grouping things together incorrectly is usually counterproductive.

Case in point, the maligned " dairy " category. Milk fat and whey both are very

good health foods, especially the undenatured whey, which figures prominently in

an anti-aging and health regime. Colostrum too, also a dairy product.

But, you should have used an example of vaccine success as a highlight, not its

failure

Polio infection actually dropped at the same rate in countries that had banned

the vaccine, while six New England states reported increases in polio one year

after the Salk vaccine was introduced, more than doubling in Vermont and an

increase of 642% in Massachusetts. Other states reported increases as well.

More vaccination myths here:

http://www.whale.to/v/phillips.html#VACCINATION MYTH #6:

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> I respect your views, Duncan, of course. In my own case I remember the

neighbor of ours before the Salk Vaccine came out. Their kid got polio and spent

rest of his life in a wheelchair. What was more, no one would thereafter visit

or have anything to do with the whole family for fear of catching the virus.

>

> It's my observation that we have a very quiet period now in which real bad

viruses are not even remembered by most people. I hope it continues. The

evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have debates about

vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter. It means we do not have

a serious germ in the wild..at the moment. If we had, there would be little to

debate. The vaccines do have horrible side effects for some people, it's very

true, but the 'big' viruses are no bargain either. It's hard to conjure up the

horror of it in this day and age as our health problems consist of things our

lifestyle can fix. A vaccine, in such an environment can look like just another

wellness choice. But it can change quickly to a dire situation in which the

un-vaccinated would be in trouble both from the virus and from the scared

neighbors. This happened all over the US in the 1918 Flu, and the Polio I

alluded to. I don't know what to say except this is a very serious decision we

all are undertaking while having at the same time very little hard motivation on

the side of getting a hole stuck in your arm! I know I hate the dentist except

when I have a toothache.

>

> There have been vaccines in the past that have been bad, and there have been

corrections made to them, according to my medical person/friend working in a

major medical center in the US. I brought up some issues with a certain vaccine

and she said, yes, they know and it has been fixed in that vaccine. Vaccines

are no different from cars or other inventions, there's versions and

improvements, and there will be mistakes, and even recalls.

>

> Best to all, and good luck with your decisions!

> bG

[Guest guest]

In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the U.S. between

1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few

imported cases since were caused by the vaccine—and most of the imported cases

occurred in fully vaccinated individuals.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that

nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

http://www.whale.to/v/phillips.html#VACCINATION MYTH #6:

So, let's discuss seaparating good vaccines from the bad. Perhaps bacterial

vaccines but not viral vaccines would be a good start.

I think possibly they should be using silver as a sterilant instead of aluminum

or mercury for example.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> >

> > I respect your views, Duncan, of course. In my own case I remember the

neighbor of ours before the Salk Vaccine came out. Their kid got polio and spent

rest of his life in a wheelchair. What was more, no one would thereafter visit

or have anything to do with the whole family for fear of catching the virus.

> >

> > It's my observation that we have a very quiet period now in which real bad

viruses are not even remembered by most people. I hope it continues. The

evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have debates about

vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter. It means we do not have

a serious germ in the wild..at the moment. If we had, there would be little to

debate. The vaccines do have horrible side effects for some people, it's very

true, but the 'big' viruses are no bargain either. It's hard to conjure up the

horror of it in this day and age as our health problems consist of things our

lifestyle can fix. A vaccine, in such an environment can look like just another

wellness choice. But it can change quickly to a dire situation in which the

un-vaccinated would be in trouble both from the virus and from the scared

neighbors. This happened all over the US in the 1918 Flu, and the Polio I

alluded to. I don't know what to say except this is a very serious decision we

all are undertaking while having at the same time very little hard motivation on

the side of getting a hole stuck in your arm! I know I hate the dentist except

when I have a toothache.

> >

> > There have been vaccines in the past that have been bad, and there have been

corrections made to them, according to my medical person/friend working in a

major medical center in the US. I brought up some issues with a certain vaccine

and she said, yes, they know and it has been fixed in that vaccine. Vaccines

are no different from cars or other inventions, there's versions and

improvements, and there will be mistakes, and even recalls.

> >

> > Best to all, and good luck with your decisions!

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

polio had a very low infection rate per 100 people. studies showed the first

crude Salk vaccine reduced cases only by about half. It is possible to see

variations that could show increases in uncontrolled statistics. The rate of

infection was so low that you only got about 40 or 50 cases per 100,000, and

even if they all were cured stats like that could still be questionable. Due to

the low rates of infection, they had to do a study before releasing the first

vaccine, of 1 million cases to actually see the 50 percent reduction. The later

polio vaccines were greatly improved over Salks' first vaccine.

bG

> >

> >

> > I respect your views, Duncan, of course. In my own case I remember the

neighbor of ours before the Salk Vaccine came out. Their kid got polio and spent

rest of his life in a wheelchair. What was more, no one would thereafter visit

or have anything to do with the whole family for fear of catching the virus.

> >

> > It's my observation that we have a very quiet period now in which real bad

viruses are not even remembered by most people. I hope it continues. The

evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have debates about

vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter. It means we do not have

a serious germ in the wild..at the moment. If we had, there would be little to

debate. The vaccines do have horrible side effects for some people, it's very

true, but the 'big' viruses are no bargain either. It's hard to conjure up the

horror of it in this day and age as our health problems consist of things our

lifestyle can fix. A vaccine, in such an environment can look like just another

wellness choice. But it can change quickly to a dire situation in which the

un-vaccinated would be in trouble both from the virus and from the scared

neighbors. This happened all over the US in the 1918 Flu, and the Polio I

alluded to. I don't know what to say except this is a very serious decision we

all are undertaking while having at the same time very little hard motivation on

the side of getting a hole stuck in your arm! I know I hate the dentist except

when I have a toothache.

> >

> > There have been vaccines in the past that have been bad, and there have been

corrections made to them, according to my medical person/friend working in a

major medical center in the US. I brought up some issues with a certain vaccine

and she said, yes, they know and it has been fixed in that vaccine. Vaccines

are no different from cars or other inventions, there's versions and

improvements, and there will be mistakes, and even recalls.

> >

> > Best to all, and good luck with your decisions!

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

My niece had the swine flu shot last year along with her sisters and brother,

but she has a very bad reaction to it. Kept falling and eventually ended up in

a wheel chair with her sister having to help bathe and dress her. Went through

a multiple of tests and couldn't really determing why other than it was

neurological. Went through a lot of therapy and is doing much better now but is

still on medication for pain and neurological problems. Looks good and can

walk, run and all that but will still fall for no reason whatsoever. All from

the vaccine. She's fortunate she's recovered as much as she has and it's taken

the bulk of the year. Nobody knows if she will make a complete recovery. Time

will tell.

gail

>

> In a message dated 8/27/2010 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> b7494@... writes:

>

> > The evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have

> > debates about vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter.

>

> Until you have lived with the trauma of vaccine damage personally, you will

> never know the real damage that these vaccines cause. The doctors who

> innoculate our children with this ticking time bomb poison refuse to take

> responsibility for the damage they have caused. Do you want to be told that

the

> percentage for serious side effects is small when it's your child who won the

> jackpot?

>

> The thimerosal is still in the vaccines. They only raised the safety and

> concentration levels so that they can claim that there is no thimerosal in

> vaccines.........and that's just one ingredient.

>

> My granddaughter was born a healthy, happy little girl. She received the

> MMR when she was only a few months old, against my wishes. Since that day,

> she has symptoms of stroke and cannot use her right arm and although not as

> bad, she has trouble using her right leg. The doctors told my daughter that

> she had a stroke at birth. I have videos of her waving her right arm before

> the vaccination. None of my other grandchildren have been vaccinated.

>

> From:

> http://www.zhealthinfo.com/vac-myths.htm

>

> VACCINATION TRUTH #6: 

> " The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were underway

> before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up by

> health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both

> embraced and rejected the vaccine. "  

>

> VACCINATION MYTH #6: 

> " Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories... " ...or

> was it? 

> Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk

> vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to

> Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported increases as

> well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and Utah

> actually halted vaccination due to the 

> increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts'

> paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine). During

1962

> U.S. congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of

> Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health,

> testified that not only did the cases of polio 

> increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations-a 50% increase from

> 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959 but that the statistics

> were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the

opposite

> impression.  It is 

> important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally

> accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in European

> countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those that employed it. 

> According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were

> eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the

> disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine was

> continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when there

> were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of

> viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were

> routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before 

> the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics after

> the vaccine. Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was

> raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis

> statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms

lasting 60

> days (many polio victims' paralysis was 

> temporary). It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines

> at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio

> in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later

> declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine

and

> most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. 

> Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee

> that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio

> vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of

Medicine

> and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Katz of Duke

> University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine associated

> paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have 

> taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio

> from the western hemisphere. Scheer of the National Rehabilitation

> Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents

are

> un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails " a small number of

> human sacrifices each year. " Compounding 

> this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's

> experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine reactions,

which

> suggest that the actual number of VAPP " sacrifices " may be 10 to 100 times

> higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio virus is

> no longer in widespread use. 

> To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century

> does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the late

> 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by the

time

> the vaccine was introduced. 

>

> Dotsie

>  

>

[Guest guest]

Very scary and sad, sorry to hear it. How old was she when she got the vaccine?

Was it in nasal spray form or injection?

tnx,

bG

> >

> > In a message dated 8/27/2010 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > b7494@ writes:

> >

> > > The evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have

> > > debates about vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter.

> >

> > Until you have lived with the trauma of vaccine damage personally, you will

> > never know the real damage that these vaccines cause. The doctors who

> > innoculate our children with this ticking time bomb poison refuse to take

> > responsibility for the damage they have caused. Do you want to be told that

the

> > percentage for serious side effects is small when it's your child who won

the

> > jackpot?

> >

> > The thimerosal is still in the vaccines. They only raised the safety and

> > concentration levels so that they can claim that there is no thimerosal in

> > vaccines.........and that's just one ingredient.

> >

> > My granddaughter was born a healthy, happy little girl. She received the

> > MMR when she was only a few months old, against my wishes. Since that day,

> > she has symptoms of stroke and cannot use her right arm and although not as

> > bad, she has trouble using her right leg. The doctors told my daughter that

> > she had a stroke at birth. I have videos of her waving her right arm before

> > the vaccination. None of my other grandchildren have been vaccinated.

> >

> > From:

> > http://www.zhealthinfo.com/vac-myths.htm

> >

> > VACCINATION TRUTH #6: 

> > " The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were underway

> > before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up by

> > health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both

> > embraced and rejected the vaccine. "  

> >

> > VACCINATION MYTH #6: 

> > " Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories... " ...or

> > was it? 

> > Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk

> > vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to

> > Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported increases

as

> > well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and

Utah

> > actually halted vaccination due to the 

> > increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts'

> > paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine). During

1962

> > U.S. congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of

> > Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health,

> > testified that not only did the cases of polio 

> > increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations-a 50% increase from

> > 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959 but that the statistics

> > were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the

opposite

> > impression.  It is 

> > important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally

> > accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in European

> > countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those that employed

it. 

> > According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were

> > eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the

> > disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine

was

> > continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when

there

> > were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of

> > viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were

> > routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before 

> > the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics after

> > the vaccine. Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was

> > raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis

> > statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms

lasting 60

> > days (many polio victims' paralysis was 

> > temporary). It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines

> > at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio

> > in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later

> > declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine

and

> > most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. 

> > Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee

> > that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio

> > vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of

Medicine

> > and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Katz of Duke

> > University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine associated

> > paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have 

> > taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio

> > from the western hemisphere. Scheer of the National Rehabilitation

> > Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents

are

> > un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails " a small number of

> > human sacrifices each year. " Compounding 

> > this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's

> > experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine

reactions, which

> > suggest that the actual number of VAPP " sacrifices " may be 10 to 100 times

> > higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio virus

is

> > no longer in widespread use. 

> > To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century

> > does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the late

> > 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by the

time

> > the vaccine was introduced. 

> >

> > Dotsie

> >  

> >

>

[Guest guest]

She was 13. I think she might still be only 13, don't know when her birthday is.

They told me but can't remember if it was the spray or injection. What I do

know is they come with risks. gail

> > >

> > > In a message dated 8/27/2010 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > b7494@ writes:

> > >

> > > > The evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have

> > > > debates about vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter.

> > >

> > > Until you have lived with the trauma of vaccine damage personally, you

will

> > > never know the real damage that these vaccines cause. The doctors who

> > > innoculate our children with this ticking time bomb poison refuse to take

> > > responsibility for the damage they have caused. Do you want to be told

that the

> > > percentage for serious side effects is small when it's your child who won

the

> > > jackpot?

> > >

> > > The thimerosal is still in the vaccines. They only raised the safety and

> > > concentration levels so that they can claim that there is no thimerosal in

> > > vaccines.........and that's just one ingredient.

> > >

> > > My granddaughter was born a healthy, happy little girl. She received the

> > > MMR when she was only a few months old, against my wishes. Since that

day,

> > > she has symptoms of stroke and cannot use her right arm and although not

as

> > > bad, she has trouble using her right leg. The doctors told my daughter

that

> > > she had a stroke at birth. I have videos of her waving her right arm

before

> > > the vaccination. None of my other grandchildren have been vaccinated.

> > >

> > > From:

> > > http://www.zhealthinfo.com/vac-myths.htm

> > >

> > > VACCINATION TRUTH #6: 

> > > " The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were

underway

> > > before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up

by

> > > health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both

> > > embraced and rejected the vaccine. "  

> > >

> > > VACCINATION MYTH #6: 

> > > " Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories... " ...or

> > > was it? 

> > > Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk

> > > vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to

> > > Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported

increases as

> > > well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and

Utah

> > > actually halted vaccination due to the 

> > > increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts'

> > > paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).

During 1962

> > > U.S. congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of

> > > Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public

Health,

> > > testified that not only did the cases of polio 

> > > increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations-a 50% increase from

> > > 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959 but that the

statistics

> > > were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the

opposite

> > > impression.  It is 

> > > important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally

> > > accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in

European

> > > countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those that employed

it. 

> > > According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases

were

> > > eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the

> > > disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine

was

> > > continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when

there

> > > were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of

> > > viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were

> > > routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before 

> > > the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics

after

> > > the vaccine. Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was

> > > raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis

> > > statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms

lasting 60

> > > days (many polio victims' paralysis was 

> > > temporary). It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines

> > > at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of

polio

> > > in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later

> > > declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the

vaccine and

> > > most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. 

> > > Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee

> > > that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio

> > > vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of

Medicine

> > > and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Katz of

Duke

> > > University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine

associated

> > > paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have 

> > > taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio

> > > from the western hemisphere. Scheer of the National Rehabilitation

> > > Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most

parents are

> > > un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails " a small number of

> > > human sacrifices each year. " Compounding 

> > > this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's

> > > experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine

reactions, which

> > > suggest that the actual number of VAPP " sacrifices " may be 10 to 100 times

> > > higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio virus

is

> > > no longer in widespread use. 

> > > To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century

> > > does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the late

> > > 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by

the time

> > > the vaccine was introduced. 

> > >

> > > Dotsie

> > >  

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hm the most likely would be spray, which is a live virus. Injections usually

are used under 2 years old or over 50 (like me). Injections are dead virus and

you need 2 shots since it does not produce a big immune reaction.

Dead virus cannot mutate, so the other stuff in the vaccine is main risk with

the shots. Live virus in the nasal spray might have mutated from the harmless

form to a harmful one. Wish they'd just used the dead virus approach, but

probably panicked as the early reports came in of hospitalizations and deaths.

condolences, and it's a warning for sure.

bG

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2010 2:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > > b7494@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > > The evidence of this quietness, it seems to me, is the freedom to have

> > > > > debates about vaccines as if one had a lot of choices in the matter.

> > > >

> > > > Until you have lived with the trauma of vaccine damage personally, you

will

> > > > never know the real damage that these vaccines cause. The doctors who

> > > > innoculate our children with this ticking time bomb poison refuse to

take

> > > > responsibility for the damage they have caused. Do you want to be told

that the

> > > > percentage for serious side effects is small when it's your child who

won the

> > > > jackpot?

> > > >

> > > > The thimerosal is still in the vaccines. They only raised the safety

and

> > > > concentration levels so that they can claim that there is no thimerosal

in

> > > > vaccines.........and that's just one ingredient.

> > > >

> > > > My granddaughter was born a healthy, happy little girl. She received

the

> > > > MMR when she was only a few months old, against my wishes. Since that

day,

> > > > she has symptoms of stroke and cannot use her right arm and although not

as

> > > > bad, she has trouble using her right leg. The doctors told my daughter

that

> > > > she had a stroke at birth. I have videos of her waving her right arm

before

> > > > the vaccination. None of my other grandchildren have been vaccinated.

> > > >

> > > > From:

> > > > http://www.zhealthinfo.com/vac-myths.htm

> > > >

> > > > VACCINATION TRUTH #6: 

> > > > " The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were

underway

> > > > before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up

by

> > > > health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both

> > > > embraced and rejected the vaccine. "  

> > > >

> > > > VACCINATION MYTH #6: 

> > > > " Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories... "

....or

> > > > was it? 

> > > > Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the

Salk

> > > > vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to

> > > > Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported

increases as

> > > > well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho

and Utah

> > > > actually halted vaccination due to the 

> > > > increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts'

> > > > paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).

During 1962

> > > > U.S. congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of

> > > > Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public

Health,

> > > > testified that not only did the cases of polio 

> > > > increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations-a 50% increase from

> > > > 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959 but that the

statistics

> > > > were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the

opposite

> > > > impression.  It is 

> > > > important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally

> > > > accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in

European

> > > > countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those that

employed it. 

> > > > According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases

were

> > > > eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the

> > > > disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk

vaccine was

> > > > continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when

there

> > > > were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of

> > > > viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were

> > > > routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before 

> > > > the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics

after

> > > > the vaccine. Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was

> > > > raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis

> > > > statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to

symptoms lasting 60

> > > > days (many polio victims' paralysis was 

> > > > temporary). It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after

vaccines

> > > > at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of

polio

> > > > in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later

> > > > declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the

vaccine and

> > > > most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. 

> > > > Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee

> > > > that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio

> > > > vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of

Medicine

> > > > and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Katz of

Duke

> > > > University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine

associated

> > > > paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have 

> > > > taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio

> > > > from the western hemisphere. Scheer of the National

Rehabilitation

> > > > Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most

parents are

> > > > un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails " a small number

of

> > > > human sacrifices each year. " Compounding 

> > > > this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's

> > > > experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine

reactions, which

> > > > suggest that the actual number of VAPP " sacrifices " may be 10 to 100

times

> > > > higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio

virus is

> > > > no longer in widespread use. 

> > > > To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century

> > > > does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the

late

> > > > 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by

the time

> > > > the vaccine was introduced. 

> > > >

> > > > Dotsie

> > > >  

> > > >

> > >

> >

>