Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

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Your discussion here below makes me think you might have an answer to my question. I reduced the tumor in my left breast from 17/16" to 5/16" in six months using essiac tea, graviola, and several other botanicals. In the succeeding 7 months, the smaller, harder tumor has not moved nor changed. Am I to assume it is dead, and for some reason the body is not metabolizing it away? Would the low DC current melt it, or do any good? Thanx, Bob

Re: Early HIV infections

Until you have really got some great numbers going for you, stick with your doctor, you are alive and that is some credit to someone somewhere. Don't disconnect from the power that got you here, so to speak.If you are asking me, I can tell you what I know. I will refrain from quoting what I've read, and just speak from the viewpoint of what I've seen and seen tried. It may not be as broad and sweeping or as wonderful as what others have said, but at least it is genuine from my viewpoint...from me to you...1. DC current was tested in the lab on HIV. Say what you want about how simple and inelegant that is, it actually, verifiably worked, and was tested safe for healthy human cells at the levels tested. I don't see ANY lab studies that 4 hertz or any hertz works on HIV in a controlled lab study where the infectivity of the virus was measured, and the test was double-blinded. I therefore stick to DC in talking about HIV and electricity. It's true that in the body your joints may bet sore from DC or skin irritation is higher. But, to help with that, I've found reversing the current somewhere between every 30 seconds to around 5-10 minutes tends to avoid that issue.2. Beck and his blood idea isn't bad, it's just not based on the latest HIV/AIDS pathology findings. It assumes the HIV is in the bloodstream mostly, and does its damage to Tcells in blood. It ignores where most of the virus is located, and only applies electricity to the bloodstream. 2% of HIV is in blood. You are leaving out 98% of it if you only treat the bloodstream, and of course the numbers will not improve greatly, since it can re-enter the blood from numerous points at any time.3. If you are serious about living without the meds, realize that the meds do find the virus where it lives, and they do act upon it. They don't just enter the blood. The meds go all over you. They will go where Beck blood thing will not go. So, even if Beck's blood thing is more deadly to the virus, if it never TOUCHES the virus, it is not going to improve your condition--much at all. 4. If you are to change that equation, you will need to change the approach and apply electricity so that it does reach the virus, in my opinion, or you will continue to see bad numbers, and worse numbers if you quit the meds. This is just logical. 5. Your usage of the electrifier for longer times on the blood means you just don't quite get the idea. You are bombing till the bricks bounce, but you are not getting even close to the enemy. Electricity does not go everywhere, just takes the short path. The virus has to be part of the path, it has to be in the circuit where it gets bombarded with electrons and ions to effect the subtle changes that render it inert.bG3. 3. My viral load was up and my T cells were down. Is > this possibly because the blood purifier killed off more viruses, or am I > doomed to take the pharmacueticals the rest of my life? Has anybody there > any advice? Would really like to handle this thing without the medications. > Thanks> >>

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Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

One gram of Vit C (ascorbic acid as pure crystalline powder) every hour you are awake, will make it disappear completely in a short period of time. No meat, no fried food, a decent diet in general, fruits, nothing from the microwave and the other anti-oxydants will help as well.

Dirk Chardet

Hello Dick....how much Vit C per hour? And could you be a little more specific about a short period of time...are talking weeks or months here....I'm very interested. I have been a vegetarian for some time and that alone has done miracles. Curious, too...where did you hear about this Vit C every hour....I have never come across it. Thanks for your time.

Tom

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IMMUNE THERAPY WITH A.U.I.T. (autogenous urine immunotherapy)

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Courtesy of Wm. Hitt, M.D.,Ph.D. (our clinical collegue)

A.U.I.T. has a long term history of benefit. Used for over 15 years by sevral

physicians in the U.S.and taught in immunology courses at s Hopkins,

it is primarily being done in clinics outside the U.S. now by Hitt,

M.D.,Ph.D., retired Professor of Immunology from s Hopkins and LSU for

over 13 years. He is not in private practice & "semi-retired" in Tijuana,

primarily working with the WHO in Addictions research & Immunogenetics.

The mechanism of action in this particular type of therapy is similar to

Hannemann's Homeopathic law of cure...Like Cures Like. He is one of our clinical

consulting collegues and a friend...

AUIT has been found clinically effective in the treatment of the following

conditions:

ATOPIC DISEASES (reaction occurs in a distant area from contact region)

HAYFEVER, GASTROENTERITIS, DERMATITIS, ECZEMA, RASHES

FOOD ALLERGY / INTOLERANCE

STOMACH ACHES, RASHES, HEADACHES, DIARRHEA, I.B.S., CROHNS, ASTHMA, ARTHRITIS,

ETC.

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ETC.

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DIABETES,

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CANCER, HIV & RELATED SYNDROMES, ETC.

INFECTIOUS DISEASE

HIV, HERPES, HEP, HPV, MYCOPLASMA INFECTIONS, ETC.

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There is a multiplicity of compliated mechanisms involved. Indeed, uirine

contains many immunologically active substances, some antigen-specific, some

antigen-independent. Both enhancer and suppressor substances are present.

The term "immumodulators" serves well to describe the mechanism of action

with AUIT.

TYPE I Hypersensitivity

Many B-lymphocytes exhibit surfact antibodies--IgG and IgM. These antibodies

differ from circulating antibodies in 2 aspects: 1. They are smaller and

in the case of IgM are monomers rather than pentamers. IgG is suppressor,

and IgM is enhancer. IgG is controlled by two T-Cell supressor factors (TSF

& TSP2).

When a B-Cell is stimulated--directed or indirectly--by the proper antigen,

surface immunoglobulins multiply and polarize as switching occurs (surface

Ig is replaced by specific Ig, which the B-Cell produces and, eventually

is secreted by plasma cells), the B-Cell then sheds these surface Ig's. They

then circulate; some are metabolized, but a significant amount appear in

the urine via glomulaar filtration, where they are cross-linked and denatured

(urea, proteases).

When reinjected into the adipose tissue (fatty), they ABORT AN ALLERGENIC

REACTION IN PROGRESS (i.e. asthma attack) and, as memory cells are produced

by REPEATED INJECTIONS, (8-12 or more), a prolonged STATE OF NON-REACTIVITY

(Tolerance) is produced. The mechanism of action is dual...One is the immediate

stimulation of T-suppressor cells to produce TS1 and TS2. The second long

range action is the production of an anti-idiotypes as well as supressor

factors to other antibody-dependent reactions, such as auto-immune disease

or drug or transfusion or rejection responses.

TYPE II AND TYPE III (delated sensitivity)

So-called intlerances to foods, chemicals, etc. are mostly antigen-dependent

BUT NOT ANTIBODY DEPENDENT(although antibodies are often produced, they become

mostly "innocent bystanders".) We're dealing here with the cellular immune

system. Phagocytic cells and lymphokines play a very important role.

Neutrophils, in particular are affected in these reactions. NEUTROPHILS NOT

ONLYPHAGOCYTISE LARGE SUBSTANCES (PROTEINS), BUT ALSO ABSORB FOREIGN CHEMICAL

SUBSTANCES (insecticides, pesticides, mycotoxins, etc.). Neutrophils are

under autonomous and/or outside control. T-Cell, macrophages and cytokines

sensitize neutrophils to the point where they become hypersensitive to a

given substance(s) and over-react and eventually suffer damage or destruction.

AUIT supresses these reactions by regulating #1, autonomous reactions of

theneutrophils and #2, suppressing the production of cytokines.

VIRAL SYNDROMES

INTERFERON: The mode of action againse viral infections is due to the antiviral

effect of the interferons, Interferon Gamma (IFNg) is the most active one

in this respect. Cells have IFN receptors on their surfaces. When IFNg attaches

to them, it is internalized. Interferon-gamma then acts as an anti-replicator.

Interferons also inhibit mitosis (division) of infected cells. INF receptors

once internalized, DO NOT REPRODUCE. Usually, about 40% of receptors are

left on the cell surface.

INTERLUKINS: Another immunomodulator closely related in these activities

is Interlukin-1 (IL-1). IL1 has to be renewed by the proper stimulant in

order to cause its effects. Therefore, the cliical observation that AUIT

controls but does not kill (cure) infected cells, is supported by immunological

facts.

CRITICISMS

Much has been said in the past by critics of AUIT--who, by the way, have

no personal experience with this type of therapy--regarding the danger of

producing glomerula basement membrane disease (Goodpasturer's disease). In

some experimental models using animals, such a disease has been produced

using the injection of urine, often in previously sensitized animals. However,

in close to a million injections of urine in humans in both Texas and So.

Calif. clinics, not a single case of Goodpasture's disease, marked proteinuria

or hematuria (all patients undergo a urinalysis prior to the injection of

the urine) has been observed. Furthermore, in 5 cases of long-term (more

than 1 year) of AUIT, no glomerular basement membrane antigen was found in

the blood.

The objection to the presense of the CBM antigen in the urine of many normal

individuals can easily be overcome by the removal of this antigen by filtration.

The antigen has a MW of 80,000 daltons, which is the limit of glomerular

filtration. Removing all substances heaver than MW 60,000 daltons would leave

all the immunomodulators and remove the CBM antigen. The other critism of

AUIT is that the urine does not posess immunologically-active substances.

This statement is so patently false, that only someone alarmingly ignorant

of even the basic facts of immunology can render it.

It is suggested that in order to elevate AUIT to an "up-do-date" incontrovertible

therapeutic modality, the following studies must be undertaken:

1. A double-blind, randomized, placebo, controlled study in cases of atopic

disease

2. Measurement of IL, production of IL2, Receptor numbers, Interferon production

before and after AUIT

3. Publication in journals and dissemination of the findings to the Medical

and Lay communities...especially as it refers to AIDS

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References:

Auto-urine Therapy; 1984, Krebs, M.D.

Auto-urine Vaccine therapy for acute Hemorrhagic Nephritis, 1934, R. Tiberi,

M.D.

Urine Therapy, Prof. Lish. J. Plesch, M.D., 1947 English Medical Journal,l

The Effects of Human Urine on Tubercule Bacilli, 1951, Sweden

Bacterial Effects of URE, Tulane School of Medicine, 1961

Antibacterial Effects of Human Urine, 1968, Dr. Kaye, Cornell Univ.

Med. College

Neutralizing Antibody to Polioviruses in Normal Urine, 1962, Lesner, Remington,

Maxwell, Finland, Harvard Med. Serv.

AntiNeoplaston in Cancer Therapy, Stanislaw R. Burzynski

The Use of Injected and Subligual Urine in Allergy Therapy, 1981, Dunne,

M.D.

Immuno-Tollerance, Physicians Handbook, 1982 edition

Autoimmuno-therapy Against Human Allergenic Disease, a physiological self-defense

factor, 1983, C.W.M. , & A. Lend, M.D.

Bactericidal Properties of Urine for Neisseric Gonurrhuae, 1987, Noble,

M.D. & M.Darekh, M.S., Univ. Kentucky

The Role of Lymphokines in Allergy & Immune Diseases, DeWeck, A.L., Immun.Pract.,

357:15 ; Sept. 1985

Specific Immunologic Unresponsiveness, Linscott, W.D.; Basic & Clinical

Immunol. 3rd Ed; Lange Med. Pub., Palto Alto, CA, 1981

Proceedings of the 3rd Int'l. Lymphokine Workship; Oppenheimer, J.; Academic

Press, 1983

Interlukins & Interferons in Basic & Clinical Immunology, G.H. Edition;

Ruscotti, F.W.; Faltyner, C.R., Appleton & Lange, Los Altos, CA 1987

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tommer63@... wrote:

Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

One gram of Vit C (ascorbic acid as pure crystalline powder) every

hour you are awake, will make it disappear completely in a short period of

time. No meat, no fried food, a decent diet in general, fruits, nothing from

the microwave and the other anti-oxydants will help as well.

Dirk Chardet

Hello Dick....how much Vit C per hour? And could you be a little

more specific about a short period of time...are talking weeks or months

here....I'm very interested. I have been a vegetarian for some time and

that alone has done miracles. Curious, too...where did you hear about this

Vit C every hour....I have never come across it. Thanks for your time.

Tom

[Guest guest]

One gram of Vit C (ascorbic acid as pure crystalline powder) every hour you are awake, will make it disappear completely in a short period of time. No meat, no fried food, a decent diet in general, fruits, nothing from the microwave and the other anti-oxydants will help as well.

Dirk Chardet

Re: Early HIV infections

Until you have really got some great numbers going for you, stick with your doctor, you are alive and that is some credit to someone somewhere. Don't disconnect from the power that got you here, so to speak.If you are asking me, I can tell you what I know. I will refrain from quoting what I've read, and just speak from the viewpoint of what I've seen and seen tried. It may not be as broad and sweeping or as wonderful as what others have said, but at least it is genuine from my viewpoint...from me to you...1. DC current was tested in the lab on HIV. Say what you want about how simple and inelegant that is, it actually, verifiably worked, and was tested safe for healthy human cells at the levels tested. I don't see ANY lab studies that 4 hertz or any hertz works on HIV in a controlled lab study where the infectivity of the virus was measured, and the test was double-blinded. I therefore stick to DC in talking about HIV and electricity. It's true that in the body your joints may bet sore from DC or skin irritation is higher. But, to help with that, I've found reversing the current somewhere between every 30 seconds to around 5-10 minutes tends to avoid that issue.2. Beck and his blood idea isn't bad, it's just not based on the latest HIV/AIDS pathology findings. It assumes the HIV is in the bloodstream mostly, and does its damage to Tcells in blood. It ignores where most of the virus is located, and only applies electricity to the bloodstream. 2% of HIV is in blood. You are leaving out 98% of it if you only treat the bloodstream, and of course the numbers will not improve greatly, since it can re-enter the blood from numerous points at any time.3. If you are serious about living without the meds, realize that the meds do find the virus where it lives, and they do act upon it. They don't just enter the blood. The meds go all over you. They will go where Beck blood thing will not go. So, even if Beck's blood thing is more deadly to the virus, if it never TOUCHES the virus, it is not going to improve your condition--much at all. 4. If you are to change that equation, you will need to change the approach and apply electricity so that it does reach the virus, in my opinion, or you will continue to see bad numbers, and worse numbers if you quit the meds. This is just logical. 5. Your usage of the electrifier for longer times on the blood means you just don't quite get the idea. You are bombing till the bricks bounce, but you are not getting even close to the enemy. Electricity does not go everywhere, just takes the short path. The virus has to be part of the path, it has to be in the circuit where it gets bombarded with electrons and ions to effect the subtle changes that render it inert.bG3. 3. My viral load was up and my T cells were down. Is > this possibly because the blood purifier killed off more viruses, or am I > doomed to take the pharmacueticals the rest of my life? Has anybody there > any advice? Would really like to handle this thing without the medications. > Thanks> >>

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Tom,

The 'one gram of ascorbic acid every hour' - protocol I 'invented' myself, but I was inspired by the vet who saved the live of his female (tame) wolf, who was seriously ill, by massaging her every hour for about 5/10 minutes.

At first I had people with a dog (Fox Terrier, 11 years old), who was paralyzed after a stroke, given the choice of

massaging , brushing him along the spine or magnetizing him for 5 minutes every hour. They did so - maybe 17 hours per day - and the dog (given up by their vet) was well after a few weeks and lived another healthy 6 years. Of course a lot of foodsupplements (incl.magnesium) were also given to him before and after getting well.

Then I had this girlfriend with a huge female Portuguese Mountaindog, that - 10 years old - all of a sudden had some growth on her side. According to me it wasn't a tumor, but I suggested to see a vet. The vet scheduled an operation - just to make sure - for about 8 days later.

Because the wrong kind of tissue gets 'encapsuled' after lots of Vit C and therefore is easier to be removed, I suggested - first time - to give that dog 1 gram of ascorbic acid every hour of the day. After 3 days it looked like the growth was getting smaller, after a week it had disappeared completely. No operation was necessary.

Next case (I think I mentioned this before) was my niece (in her early 40-ties) who was scheduled to have her ovaries removed because of cysts. I also suggested one gram of C every hour, she did so and when returning to some University Hospital in Amsterdam 3 weeks later all cysts had completely gone. Again there was no operation.

I strongly distrust ALL other firms of Vit C - the buffered forms, the time release forms, etc. - because in my opinion they are only 'invented' to increase profits and I am absolutely not convinced that they are as safe in large doses as Ascorbic Acid.

Ascorbic Acid doesn't stay in the body very long ; what isn't used goes out.

In order to have a constant and high plasma level of C, it should be taken regularly during the day.

Taking small quantities spread over the day, is also the only way to avoid diarrea ; so there is a very practical reason as well.

The more serious the disease, the higher the frequency at which it should be taken.

Dirk Chardet.

Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

One gram of Vit C (ascorbic acid as pure crystalline powder) every hour you are awake, will make it disappear completely in a short period of time. No meat, no fried food, a decent diet in general, fruits, nothing from the microwave and the other anti-oxydants will help as well.

Dirk Chardet

============================

Hello Dick....how much Vit C per hour? And could you be a little more specific about a short period of time...are talking weeks or months here....I'm very interested. I have been a vegetarian for some time and that alone has done miracles. Curious, too...where did you hear about this Vit C every hour....I have never come across it. Thanks for your time.

Tom

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> Dirk wrote:

> I strongly distrust ALL other firms of Vit C - the buffered forms, the

> time release forms, etc. - because in my opinion they are only

> 'invented' to increase profits and I am absolutely not convinced that

> they are as safe in large doses as Ascorbic Acid.

A caveat on vitamin C use -- You'd probably die if you take large

IV doses of ascorbic acid. For oral use ascorbic acid is a better

match, but buffered vitamin C (e.g. sodium ascorbate) is a

requirement for IV use.

Duncan

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A Cuban technician on the video Ozone and the Politics of

Medicine professed a 100% cure if an ozone therapy program was

given early in the infection process, before the patient had it

thoughout the lymph. I think they were giving it by MAHT.

Viral load was considerably reduced with cold-processed whey

alone in the glutathione studies.

Duncan

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Duncan

We routinely give IV sodium ascorbate 60 gms to 70kgm adult patients with

lipoic acid & glutathione for cancer treatment according to the research of

Riordan.

It is diluted 150ml ascorbate in 300ml normal saline and given over 1 to 2

hours.

It is very effective for the cancer patients.

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Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

> Dirk wrote:

> I strongly distrust ALL other firms of Vit C - the buffered forms, the

> time release forms, etc. - because in my opinion they are only

> 'invented' to increase profits and I am absolutely not convinced that

> they are as safe in large doses as Ascorbic Acid.

A caveat on vitamin C use -- You'd probably die if you take large

IV doses of ascorbic acid. For oral use ascorbic acid is a better

match, but buffered vitamin C (e.g. sodium ascorbate) is a

requirement for IV use.

Duncan

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Why BUFFERED when used IV ?

Wasn't it buffered because the acid is supposed to be too hard on the

stomach lining ?

My 'caveat' only applies to the forms of vit C that do not exist in nature

and according to me that is the entire range except for ascorbic acid.

Dirk Chardet

Re: Re: Early HIV infections et al

>

> > Dirk wrote:

> > I strongly distrust ALL other firms of Vit C - the buffered forms, the

> > time release forms, etc. - because in my opinion they are only

> > 'invented' to increase profits and I am absolutely not convinced that

> > they are as safe in large doses as Ascorbic Acid.

>

> A caveat on vitamin C use -- You'd probably die if you take large

> IV doses of ascorbic acid. For oral use ascorbic acid is a better

> match, but buffered vitamin C (e.g. sodium ascorbate) is a

> requirement for IV use.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Posted by: " Xeender " xeender@... Xeender

> Date: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:43 pm (PDT)

>

> Might be of interest

>

>

> http://grouppekurosawa.com/blog/2006/01/from-hiv-fast-progressor-to-

> almost.htm

Similarly, the Cuban ozone technician interviewed on the video

Ozone and the Politics of Medicine commented that 100% cure rate

can be reliably obtained in early HIV infection with a program of

ozone therapy.

Duncan