Re: Godzilla, Median Nerve Stimulation

[Guest guest]

Others will find it a drag. It depends. The device is used for

microbial neutralization effects research. Other effects are not

known.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket. DC current is a known anesthetic.

30k frequencies as used by are known to kill pain temporarily.

What else it does could be good or bad.

The real miracle is the effects we seem to get with microbes. I'm

sorry not everyone can have everything, and those with microbes may

turn out to be quite lucky. No, not everyone has microbes in the

sense we mean it, u know who u are. Hep-c, HIV, yes. Not CFS,

Fibro, arthritis, etc, they don't do well on this, not the ones we've

tested. Curiously, protstate irritations seem to ease. But it could

be altering a substance in the blood that irritates. What else does

it alter? We aren't sure.

Caution says use it where there's really no choice, avoid it where

there is, until we know more.

bG, Godzilla's dad.

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[Guest guest]

> Others will find it a drag. It depends. The device is used for

> microbial neutralization effects research. Other effects are not

> known.

There is scientific research on median nerve stimulation.

> I don't mean to be a wet blanket. DC current is a known

anesthetic.

Only when applied to the head, at high current.

> 30k frequencies as used by are known to kill pain temporarily.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket about , but I really don't see

how her devices kill anything. You probably get more electromagnetic

exposure sitting in front of a computer monitor or passing by a power

line or using a hair dryer than with 's " zapper " . I would have

to call it a " subtle energy device " .

> Caution says use it where there's really no choice, avoid it where

> there is, until we know more.

What? Blood electrification?

[Guest guest]

Long term usage of godzilla is still unknown. used on the skin dc is

a numbing effect and burns occur without much sensation of them.

i've done it. 3rd degree burns with no sensation of it happening.

will it cause skin cancer over time? possibly. i maintain my view

use it only as needed, as a preventive of flu, etc, very sparingly.

it seems to work, but those who have overdone it now cannot use it,

as the skin is too sensitive to stand almost any current.

the buzz from a clark zpper does tend to remove pain temporarily via

nerves. i think besides that it depends on where it's applied and

then it's very weak. it can reduce HIV count but it's an accident. if

used on wrists, it will work better than in hands. hitting the

artery could make it work. it is not consistent like beck's because

it's based on the delusions of a criminal fraud (just my opinion).

beck's seems almost right, though flawed due to ac usage where the

research was done with dc, but still going in right direction.

bG

> > Others will find it a drag. It depends. The device is used for

> > microbial neutralization effects research. Other effects are not

> > known.

>

> There is scientific research on median nerve stimulation.

>

> > I don't mean to be a wet blanket. DC current is a known

> anesthetic.

>

> Only when applied to the head, at high current.

>

> > 30k frequencies as used by are known to kill pain

temporarily.

>

[Guest guest]

> --- In , " baby_grand "

> > I don't mean to be a wet blanket. DC current is a known

> > anesthetic.

> Only when applied to the head, at high current.

No, bG is right; it's an anaesthetic anywhere on the body. I once used DC and

felt absolutely nothing, then later a burn opened up from the inside.

[Guest guest]

> No, bG is right; it's an anaesthetic anywhere on the body. I once

used DC and felt absolutely nothing, then later a burn opened up from

the inside.

I was speaking of an action on the brain

, at relatively high levels but not as high

as, say, ECTs, not high enough to cause

real damage.

What you are talking about is neurolysis,

the " electrolysis " of nerves by DC current.

If the current and voltage are high enough

to cause a burn, then you probably need to

tone it down a lot.

[Guest guest]

You need an understanding beyond most people's to get the amount of

current right.

Fundamentally, the Beck-type wrist electrode (shaped like a small

cigarette) acts as a funnel. It concentrates the electricity into

the artery. This is unique to his design, nobody else uses the

shape, and placement of electrodes, as did Beck. I have copied this

in Godzilla, but used bigger ones at higher current, figuring

overkill is better, because people lose interest and drop the device

in a few weeks. The folks using it often report their stuff clears

up so fast that the burns are worth it. But it may still be

unecessary to use so much current.

1mA, for instance in the electrode would be spread over the area of

the electrode. When it gets into the artery, the conduction of the

blood channels most of it along the inside. It does not move

sideways, but in a line. Looking at the end of the artery, the

density of electrons in the " pipeline " would be greater than it was

on any similar-sized part of the electrode. It bunches up, in other

words, when it enters the artery. So, the 1mA becomes equivalent to

a lot more in a given area of the bloodstream than it was at the

surface of the electrode.

Thus, using only 0.1mA can still get a lot of current into the

bloodstream. This is why the Beck devices seem to outperform others,

they get the juice packed into the blood more efficiently.

One can use small currents with godzilla devices, IMHO. But for the

average doubting person with a disease, using the clobbering power

impresses them, and they get well so fast that it defeats their own

efforts to stay sick (a real problem).

Where it fails and also burns people from overuse is in cases where

it's being used for healthstore addicts who aren't sick but think

they are, and people with things having nothing to do with microbes.

SSort of helps rule out the placebo effect.

I've tried to be simple in this explanation, but it is still

challenging to grasp if you are not habituated to electricity,

electronics, etc. That is one thing we really owe to Beck, a total

slam-dunk (though I like bigger electrodes as above). The ingenuity

of the electrodes surpasses almost everything else in his design,

IMHO. I would even say you could hook up a Zapper (they have a

weak current compared to Beck's) to Beck electrodes and find it

working somewhat in blood electrification. Be sure to exchange

electrode positions every few minutes so they are reversed, as

devices tend to be unipolar. They don't have levels adjustment, so

the question of current isn't relevant. It's worth a try to find out

if her pulsed dc is better than regular dc, and thus could be used at

lower levels. I tend to think not, because the Kaali literature

stated that current times time is proportional to the reduction of

HIV. he emphasized that spikes of current had no effect, but a

steady flow -- did. nobody listened to him, yet he was the only one

who did a competent experiment to definitely point to this

relationship. Even Beck altered his work, using AC with a square

wave, etc. the likely result of type devices, even if the

power is increased, will be to double the amount of time needed, as

the square pulsed dc wave shuts the current on and off in a 50-50

ratio. If left on the whole time (dc current, just like from a plain

old battery) you should see twice the speed of action, according to

Kaali's words.

bG

> > No, bG is right; it's an anaesthetic anywhere on the body. I once

> used DC and felt absolutely nothing, then later a burn opened up

from

> the inside.

>

> I was speaking of an action on the brain

> , at relatively high levels but not as high

> as, say, ECTs, not high enough to cause

> real damage.

> What you are talking about is neurolysis,

> the " electrolysis " of nerves by DC current.

> If the current and voltage are high enough

> to cause a burn, then you probably need to

> tone it down a lot.

>

[Guest guest]

> You need an understanding beyond most people's to get the amount of

> current right.

Nevertheless, the term " electroanesthesia " refers to either a high-

frequency or static DC applied to the front and back of the head,

high current, medium voltage. I forget which, back or front, are

positive or negative.

The phenomenon of local anesthesia is no doubt operating by a

different means.

That's what I meant to say.

[Guest guest]

> I was speaking of an action on the brain

> , at relatively high levels but not as high

> as, say, ECTs, not high enough to cause

> real damage.

> What you are talking about is neurolysis,

> the " electrolysis " of nerves by DC current.

I'm just replying to the point raised that DC is an anaesthetic when used in

blood electrification, the point being that you can't feel it burning until

after it already happens. I affirmed that, based on my own experience with

stick-on TENS electrodes, which get a " hot spot " under the point where the wires

attach to them. Stick-on EKG electrodes are designed to conduct tiny signals

*from* the body, not deliver current *to* the body. Their surface area is too

small for this, and there is also the possibility of the current driving

unidentified ions from the adhesive/conductive coating into the skin. On the

other hand the shape of Beck's electrodes " stretches out " the hot-spot

lengthwise over more skin so that it is no longer a hot-spot, yet the total

current all ends up in the same blood vessel, so it's possible to concentrate a

current level in the blood that's high enough to work without burning the tissue

that conducts it there.

I still say the intelligent way to electrify the blood is to use a frequency

that passes through the skin easily and modulate it by a frequency that is

readily absorbed by the blood, but I lost interest and went a different way:

beyond_rife_therapy/

[Guest guest]

...frequencies MAY interrupt the effect on the microbes, by using a

reversing current you may be undoing what you just did, leaving them

net charge zero. We don't know, for sure but this could be. We see

much faster, and deadlier results in dieoffs and recoveries with dc

than with AC.

bG

> > I was speaking of an action on the brain

> > , at relatively high levels but not as high

> > as, say, ECTs, not high enough to cause

> > real damage.

> > What you are talking about is neurolysis,

> > the " electrolysis " of nerves by DC current.

>

> I'm just replying to the point raised that DC is an anaesthetic

when used in blood electrification, the point being that you can't >

I still say the intelligent way to electrify the blood is to use a

frequency that passes through the skin easily and modulate it by a

frequency that is readily absorbed by the blood, but I lost interest

and went a different way:

>

> beyond_rife_therapy/

[Guest guest]

> ..frequencies MAY interrupt the effect on the microbes, by using a

> reversing current you may be undoing what you just did, leaving them

> net charge zero.

My mistake, I forgot the part about having a DC bias. I was looking at using a

sine-wave carrier of 10,000Hz for penetration, and modulating it by 321.9, Barb

Hero's frequency correspondence for the blood. The idea was that by using

footplates instead of small electrodes over an artery, the carrier would pass

freely through large parts of the body, but the blood frequency would be

absorbed wherever it hit blood, and the DC component would leave a net charge

there. It wouldn't involve any sort of resonant shattering with pathogen

frequencies, it would just be a way to focus the power into the blood while

letting it pass freely through other tissue.

[Guest guest]

OK, is this feasible for you to build, photograph, parts list, etc

and get a group going to test it? might be great fun for you.

bG

> > ..frequencies MAY interrupt the effect on the microbes, by using

a

> > reversing current you may be undoing what you just did, leaving

them

> > net charge zero.

>

> My mistake, I forgot the part about having a DC bias. I was

looking at using a sine-wave carrier of 10,000Hz for penetration,

and modulating it by 321.9, Barb Hero's frequency correspondence for

the blood. The idea was that by using footplates instead of small

electrodes over an artery, the carrier would pass freely through

large parts of the body, but the blood frequency would be absorbed

wherever it hit blood, and the DC component would leave a net charge

there. It wouldn't involve any sort of resonant shattering with

pathogen frequencies, it would just be a way to focus the power into

the blood while letting it pass freely through other tissue.