Re: Smart meters - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

[Guest guest]

Lucky you it's on your garage. I was unknowingly sitting 3-5 feet away from 7 of them for 8 months...now on heart drugs...Yes I agree we have to KNOW what we are doing re repelling them or could be scattering them in all kinds of directions. It's not just a simple answer.From: Dean <thomasdean@...>Subject: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !" " < >, "beabernhausen@..." <beabernhausen@...>Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 1:42 PMHello Bea and everyone, I have a smart meter that was installed without my knowledge in Toronto, Canada on my garage ...I do not personally sense anything as of yet and i am electrically sensistive...cell phone, blackberry's ipod ect.. What is the range of the hot spot I have heard 6 feet from the base unit however how deep is the penetration. Also, if you remove your or block it with emf blocking material from lessemf.com dependant on the depth of the radiation wouldn;t your direct neighbours of secondary exposure as well and this needs to be group effort one neighbourhood at a time.

Any comments of the range of exposure would be appreciated.

Regards,

Dean

[Guest guest]



HI,

how long have you been on your heart drugs for, when did you realize your need for heart medication?

was it after thy put the smart meters in?

"Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !" " < >, "beabernhausen@..." <beabernhausen@...>Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 1:42 PM

Hello Bea and everyone, I have a smart meter that was installed without my knowledge in Toronto, Canada on my garage ...I do not personally sense anything as of yet and i am electrically sensistive...cell phone, blackberry's ipod ect.. What is the range of the hot spot I have heard 6 feet from the base unit however how deep is the penetration. Also, if you remove your or block it with emf blocking material from lessemf.com dependant on the depth of the radiation wouldn;t your direct neighbours of secondary exposure as well and this needs to be group effort one neighbourhood at a time.

Any comments of the range of exposure would be appreciated.

Regards,

Dean

[Guest guest]

If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

Electricity can produce bad or good influence to health. But because this kind

of knowledge is not accepted in mainstream science, we get more electric device

that produce bad influence to health.

The remedy is to use non mainstream knowledge. Look for frank moody. He mention

simple wire interference neutralizer, an insulated wire wound over the electric

wire twice and then both copper end shorted.

To remedy the wifi part, you can use device that produce good energy. There are

many version, you can find it on product for anti EMF radiation. I made it my

self, I call it cemenite.

While I currently use it mainly to get better sleep and to increase my bike

power, I found it good enough to prevent headache cause by device that work on

high frequency.

It cost under $5 to make and it can do many good thing. If you interested,

search for cemenite.

BTW, this knowledge can be applied to zapper too. If your zapper make you unable

to sleep than yours produce bad energy. Detox effects happen because your zapper

produce bad energy.

By implementing this knowledge, my zapper can be used as sleeping aid too now.

Unfortunately each circuit is different, you have to find out yourself how to

make your zapper work as sleeping aid.

Sucahyo

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> Hello Bea and everyone, I have a smart meter that was installed without my

knowledge in Toronto, Canada on my garage ...I do not personally sense anything

as of yet and i am electrically sensistive...cell phone, blackberry's ipod ect..

What is the range of the hot spot I have heard 6 feet from the base unit however

how deep is the penetration. Also, if you remove your or block it with emf

blocking material from lessemf.com dependant on the depth of the radiation

wouldn;t your direct neighbours of secondary exposure as well and this needs to

be group effort one neighbourhood at a time.

>  

> Any comments of the range of exposure would be appreciated.

>  

> Regards,

>

> Dean

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[Guest guest]

Doesn't a Faraday Cage cancel EM radiation without a battery? That would be EM

science, correct?

all good,

Duncan

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> If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

>

[Guest guest]

Too much hype.

I design smart meters for water and gas. Our meters transmit less then 1 watt

radiated power. Our battery which is a C cell lithium ion is expected to last 20

years. This is acheivable by transmitting data in less than 3 milliseconds. The

number of transmissions per day can be as little as 3 or as much as 10,900.

At 10,900 you have about a total of 32.7 seconds of transmissions per day. The

exposure time is very limited. The distance you are from the transmitter is very

important. For instance if you are 1 foot away you may receive radiated power of

200 milliwatts. Double the distance at 2 feet away you will receive 50

milliwatts, at three feet away you will receive 12.5 milliwatts and so on. The

output of most wireless phone handsets is 10 milliwatts or more (Cell Phones are

more). The exposure time is much greater then 32 seconds on a typical phone call

and it is right next to your head. So if you are 10 feet away from your smart

meter your are expeosed to .000762 milliwatts at most for only 32.7 seconds

maximum if you stay there all day.

Smart Meters on Electric Meters may transmit more, but you only need to transmit

so much data and you can send a lot in 3 milliseconds.

Limiting exposure is best, but we really have know what is far worse for us such

as Cell Phones and power lines in and outside your house.

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> > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

There has been conclusive tests done using radiation detectors that don't lie, the proof is in the pudding, and that is the biggest lie that these units only go off a couple times a day, they go of continuously all day according the radiation meters...like every 2-5 seconds of pulses...

there is many reports of astronomical readings from these smart meters at even 15 ft away and more.....so i don't know what planet your from?

sorry i don't buy this , "try to make me feel good hype" that these meters are actually healthy for you for a minute..

there has been reports that the smart meter radiation is 100X that of a cell phone...

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

Too much hype.I design smart meters for water and gas. Our meters transmit less then 1 watt radiated power. Our battery which is a C cell lithium ion is expected to last 20 years. This is acheivable by transmitting data in less than 3 milliseconds. The number of transmissions per day can be as little as 3 or as much as 10,900.At 10,900 you have about a total of 32.7 seconds of transmissions per day. The exposure time is very limited. The distance you are from the transmitter is very important. For instance if you are 1 foot away you may receive radiated power of 200 milliwatts. Double the distance at 2 feet away you will receive 50 milliwatts, at three feet away you will receive 12.5 milliwatts and so on. The output of most wireless phone handsets is 10 milliwatts or more (Cell Phones are more). The exposure time is much greater then 32 seconds on a typical phone call and it is right next to your head. So if you are 10 feet away from your smart meter your are expeosed to .000762 milliwatts at most for only 32.7 seconds maximum if you stay there all day.Smart Meters on Electric Meters may transmit more, but you only need to transmit so much data and you can send a lot in 3 milliseconds.Limiting exposure is best, but we really have know what is far worse for us such as Cell Phones and power lines in and outside your house.> >> > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> >>

[Guest guest]

I am a RF Engineer in the business. A typical cellular phone has a output of 500

milliwatt radiated. Our smart meters have less then one watt radiated output. So

your saying that they put out 100 times the power or 50 watts.

The FCC will not allow certification of a device with that amount of power for

this type of use in the the bands we are restricted to. We would like to

transmit more power but the FCC won't allow it. If we do find out that our

competitors exceed the radiated power we would report them to the FCC and they

will get fined and can no longer sell it that way. Guess what probably happened

in the past. In that case it was only 10 milliwatts too high in power for a

total of 20 milliwatts total.

If you think your wireless computer modem does less harm, then I really feel

sorry for you. That typically operates at around 2.4ghz which is the same

frequencies the microwave ovens use to cook food. Remember that doubling the

distance decreases the radiated power level by 1/4th.

I do stay away from the microwave oven when running and locate my wireless modem

further away. As for the radiation detectors, I don't believe it.

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> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

I am very happy you are an RF engineer in the business to make $$$

But are you a Qualified health care researcher in this field and the effects of RF? are you a doctor? who are you to say what will or what will not be harmful to a human body? The current so called FCC standards for so called being safe are not done by people who are doctors or health care professionals they are done by physicists and such who make there assumptions based on mathematical formulas..

watch this video to get a little more educated on the subject....

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDUCryS6LY

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBtxjJbmDs & feature=related

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzxp1CCtILo & feature=related

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMI8RCKUHE4 & feature=related

Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ8F81tJwyw & feature=related

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I am a RF Engineer in the business. A typical cellular phone has a output of 500 milliwatt radiated. Our smart meters have less then one watt radiated output. So your saying that they put out 100 times the power or 50 watts.The FCC will not allow certification of a device with that amount of power for this type of use in the the bands we are restricted to. We would like to transmit more power but the FCC won't allow it. If we do find out that our competitors exceed the radiated power we would report them to the FCC and they will get fined and can no longer sell it that way. Guess what probably happened in the past. In that case it was only 10 milliwatts too high in power for a total of 20 milliwatts total.If you think your wireless computer modem does less harm, then I really feel sorry for you. That typically operates at around 2.4ghz which is the same frequencies the microwave ovens use to cook food. Remember that doubling the distance decreases the radiated power level by 1/4th.I do stay away from the microwave oven when running and locate my wireless modem further away. As for the radiation detectors, I don't believe it.> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

The proof is in the pudding....

people want to crank out all this wireless technology and label it as safe when they have no clue what the long term health effects will be, but hey so long as those RF guys have jobs right, that's all that matters and they will say and do anything to justify there profits...

wake up your killing the planet...

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I am a RF Engineer in the business. A typical cellular phone has a output of 500 milliwatt radiated. Our smart meters have less then one watt radiated output. So your saying that they put out 100 times the power or 50 watts.The FCC will not allow certification of a device with that amount of power for this type of use in the the bands we are restricted to. We would like to transmit more power but the FCC won't allow it. If we do find out that our competitors exceed the radiated power we would report them to the FCC and they will get fined and can no longer sell it that way. Guess what probably happened in the past. In that case it was only 10 milliwatts too high in power for a total of 20 milliwatts total.If you think your wireless computer modem does less harm, then I really feel sorry for you. That typically operates at around 2.4ghz which is the same frequencies the microwave ovens use to cook food. Remember that doubling the distance decreases the radiated power level by 1/4th.I do stay away from the microwave oven when running and locate my wireless modem further away. As for the radiation detectors, I don't believe it.> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

another infomative message on the dangers of smart meters from a professional trained in the field.. and i might add Qualified to speak..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7L21XOC2wA & feature=player_embedded

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I am a RF Engineer in the business. A typical cellular phone has a output of 500 milliwatt radiated. Our smart meters have less then one watt radiated output. So your saying that they put out 100 times the power or 50 watts.The FCC will not allow certification of a device with that amount of power for this type of use in the the bands we are restricted to. We would like to transmit more power but the FCC won't allow it. If we do find out that our competitors exceed the radiated power we would report them to the FCC and they will get fined and can no longer sell it that way. Guess what probably happened in the past. In that case it was only 10 milliwatts too high in power for a total of 20 milliwatts total.If you think your wireless computer modem does less harm, then I really feel sorry for you. That typically operates at around 2.4ghz which is the same frequencies the microwave ovens use to cook food. Remember that doubling the distance decreases the radiated power level by 1/4th.I do stay away from the microwave oven when running and locate my wireless modem further away. As for the radiation detectors, I don't believe it.> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Here is the emissions being tested from one persons house and how often the pulsed signals are being generated... so those who say it is only being broadcast a few times a day are full of POOP... and Lie to make there product sound safer....

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I am a RF Engineer in the business. A typical cellular phone has a output of 500 milliwatt radiated. Our smart meters have less then one watt radiated output. So your saying that they put out 100 times the power or 50 watts.The FCC will not allow certification of a device with that amount of power for this type of use in the the bands we are restricted to. We would like to transmit more power but the FCC won't allow it. If we do find out that our competitors exceed the radiated power we would report them to the FCC and they will get fined and can no longer sell it that way. Guess what probably happened in the past. In that case it was only 10 milliwatts too high in power for a total of 20 milliwatts total.If you think your wireless computer modem does less harm, then I really feel sorry for you. That typically operates at around 2.4ghz which is the same frequencies the microwave ovens use to cook food. Remember that doubling the distance decreases the radiated power level by 1/4th.I do stay away from the microwave oven when running and locate my wireless modem further away. As for the radiation detectors, I don't believe it.> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Faraday cage do not cancel this radiation. If you have family that is sensitive

to EMF radiation, they will still feel sick even if you let them sit inside

faraday cage.

The debate between and Mike is interesting, but note that this EMF

radiation can not currently be measured with meter. Using what measured in meter

would lead to wrong conclusion. Because the meter is not designed to measure

this kind of energy.

This photo bellow show how a spiral wire can make one side of the ice clear, and

the other side foggy. Imagine what happen if you wear them.

http://yfrog.com/0ipict010cj

I can assure you that I don't use any battery or magnet. You can easily test

this for your self. I doubt this spiral wire will show anything on any meter.

However, the ice definitely show reaction to an energy. Only solution that have

explanation for this experiment can be used to prevent EMF radiation

efficiently.

The science for this is odic energy science. Read book of Karl Reichenbach. It

is available for free in archive.org. Some simple solution also mentioned there.

Sucahyo

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> > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad I don't live near high power lines. Some people will say the same but

have an electric blanket (stupid). The safe levels the FCC allows may not be

safe. The FCC did not determine the exposure levels on their own. It was done by

qualified medical researchers. Who interests they were serving is another

question. So we do agree on some things.

No one can tell me that a wireless handset for your home phone is less harmful

than one of our smart meters. I have the facts. I am not going to argue about

how much is too much because I am not qualified and there is probably no

definite answer. Some people can tolerate a high exposure where the next person

can only tolerate 1/10th.

We all no how powerful Bob Beck electromedicine can be, so the body is sensitive

to external influences. The best thing is to limit your exposure. Unfortunately

that is difficult.

My dad was told back in the 1970s to eat margarine and not butter. There is no

debate now that butter is much better for you than margarine containing trans

fats. It was pushed by the companies who make it and the people that don't want

you to eat animal products.

Smart meters as far as the water industry detects leaks, monitors usage and

saves gas by not having someone visit your meter throughout the year. Saves

natural resources.

Just sitting next to someone using a cell phone for 5 minutes will give you more

exposure then your smart meter would in a year.

So most everyone has accepted the fact that we can't do without our cell phone

even if it shortens our average life span. But we will go after the ones that

expose us 1/1000th. I believe electric blankets are worse for you then smart

meters and some studies support it.

You should be more concerned about Cell Phones / Towers but probably like to

pick the easier fights which hardly does any good.

That is not to say that you may be very concerned about the Cell Phones.

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> > > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is

the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

I have a Faraday cage at work. It will not allow any electromagnetic radiation

to get through. If the frequency is high enough it will start to leak through,

but it is still greatly attenuated. The cracks in the doorway and around the

seams have to be sealed tight or even lower frequencies will leak through.

I don't know if someone that is sensitive to radiation would be helped by a

Faraday Cage since the sensitivity might be something that we don't fully

understand. Distance from the offending source is important. Think about what is

next to you when you sleep, clock radio, alarm etc.

I have seen articles about grounding your body. Some people use a metal screen

under their mattress which seems to help. 60hz power in your house may be just

as bad, but I really don't know.

> > >

> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

,

I'll agree all that other wifi stuff isn't good either...and they put that crap in schools with children all day....Bloody Criminal....

Unfortunately, I believe people should have a choice with these smart meters and other wireless technologies, there is no reason why a person who is against wireless technologies can not have the option to have a wired meter put in there home using telephone cable...

The governments and the Power companies are taking a stance just like HITLER and we all know what happend to him in the end, OH how the might have fallen...

Freedom of choice when it comes to health man, if something is questionable why take the risk, and yes of course i know the environment is chalk full of other harmful things but does this mean just because there is POOP in the POTTY that we should just keep adding more poop and say, "OH WELL there is already POOP in there a little more wont hurt

cheers

Mike

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I am glad I don't live near high power lines. Some people will say the same but have an electric blanket (stupid). The safe levels the FCC allows may not be safe. The FCC did not determine the exposure levels on their own. It was done by qualified medical researchers. Who interests they were serving is another question. So we do agree on some things.No one can tell me that a wireless handset for your home phone is less harmful than one of our smart meters. I have the facts. I am not going to argue about how much is too much because I am not qualified and there is probably no definite answer. Some people can tolerate a high exposure where the next person can only tolerate 1/10th.We all no how powerful Bob Beck electromedicine can be, so the body is sensitive to external influences. The best thing is to limit your exposure. Unfortunately that is difficult.My dad was told back in the 1970s to eat margarine and not butter. There is no debate now that butter is much better for you than margarine containing trans fats. It was pushed by the companies who make it and the people that don't want you to eat animal products.Smart meters as far as the water industry detects leaks, monitors usage and saves gas by not having someone visit your meter throughout the year. Saves natural resources.Just sitting next to someone using a cell phone for 5 minutes will give you more exposure then your smart meter would in a year.So most everyone has accepted the fact that we can't do without our cell phone even if it shortens our average life span. But we will go after the ones that expose us 1/1000th. I believe electric blankets are worse for you then smart meters and some studies support it. You should be more concerned about Cell Phones / Towers but probably like to pick the easier fights which hardly does any good.That is not to say that you may be very concerned about the Cell Phones. > > > >> > > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Be careful with grounding yourself , you might get some Stray voltage from ground currents..depending what is in your area electrically...i've heard

a good website that has some sleeping tents i'm considering now that my living space is going to be violated against my will

lessemf.com

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I have a Faraday cage at work. It will not allow any electromagnetic radiation to get through. If the frequency is high enough it will start to leak through, but it is still greatly attenuated. The cracks in the doorway and around the seams have to be sealed tight or even lower frequencies will leak through. I don't know if someone that is sensitive to radiation would be helped by a Faraday Cage since the sensitivity might be something that we don't fully understand. Distance from the offending source is important. Think about what is next to you when you sleep, clock radio, alarm etc. I have seen articles about grounding your body. Some people use a metal screen under their mattress which seems to help. 60hz power in your house may be just as bad, but I really don't know.> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sucahyowhat is the specific name of that book? and I am wondering if this energy you are speaking of is the same as ORGONE?

Thanks

MIke

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

Faraday cage do not cancel this radiation. If you have family that is sensitive to EMF radiation, they will still feel sick even if you let them sit inside faraday cage. The debate between and Mike is interesting, but note that this EMF radiation can not currently be measured with meter. Using what measured in meter would lead to wrong conclusion. Because the meter is not designed to measure this kind of energy.This photo bellow show how a spiral wire can make one side of the ice clear, and the other side foggy. Imagine what happen if you wear them.http://yfrog.com/0ipict010cjI can assure you that I don't use any battery or magnet. You can easily test this for your self. I doubt this spiral wire will show anything on any meter. However, the ice definitely show reaction to an energy. Only solution that have explanation for this experiment can be used to prevent EMF radiation efficiently.The science for this is odic energy science. Read book of Karl Reichenbach. It is available for free in archive.org. Some simple solution also mentioned there.Sucahyo> >> > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> >>

[Guest guest]

I agree, choice would be good.

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> > > > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is

the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

I prefer to call this energy odic force than orgone. Because current

understanding of orgone consider any orgone device produce good effect, while I

think it can be bad too.

Metal will not shield this energy. It is mentioned by Tesla story of 90 years

ago, it is also mentioned by book written 175 year ago.

Tesla story is about energy that can penetrate copper or glass shield. The same

kind of energy that said to be used by HAARP. It is mentioned in a book by garry

vassilatos, lost science. Royal Rife is mentioned in this book too.

Book bellow describe an energy produced by things that can make people sick. The

same kind of sickness mentioned caused by of smart meter.

http://www.archive.org/details/somnambulismcram00reiciala

Sun have an energy that is not light that can be transfered via metal wire to

make underground plants grow like being exposed directly to sun. A friend

already test this.

It is said that people who is sensitive will feel worse during full moon. Any

metal come from the outside to the bedroom will act as antenna and transfer the

moon influence to inside the bedroom.

In electric company this energy is commonly know as negative ion and positive

ion. There is an article that mention electric wire strangely produce negative

ion on rural area indicated by mist and fog. Where electric wire near busy city

or power plant always produce positive ion.

Positive ion will have the same influence as full moon, make people sick.

Sucahyo

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> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the

solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

hmmm so sounds like from what you say Negative Ions are good for people.

let me know what devices and things you find that are good and protect people

thankyou

mike

Re: "Smart meters" - Citizens of BC, Read carefully... You need to know this !

I prefer to call this energy odic force than orgone. Because current understanding of orgone consider any orgone device produce good effect, while I think it can be bad too.Metal will not shield this energy. It is mentioned by Tesla story of 90 years ago, it is also mentioned by book written 175 year ago.Tesla story is about energy that can penetrate copper or glass shield. The same kind of energy that said to be used by HAARP. It is mentioned in a book by garry vassilatos, lost science. Royal Rife is mentioned in this book too.Book bellow describe an energy produced by things that can make people sick. The same kind of sickness mentioned caused by of smart meter.http://www.archive.org/details/somnambulismcram00reicialaSun have an energy that is not light that can be transfered via metal wire to make underground plants grow like being exposed directly to sun. A friend already test this.It is said that people who is sensitive will feel worse during full moon. Any metal come from the outside to the bedroom will act as antenna and transfer the moon influence to inside the bedroom.In electric company this energy is commonly know as negative ion and positive ion. There is an article that mention electric wire strangely produce negative ion on rural area indicated by mist and fog. Where electric wire near busy city or power plant always produce positive ion.Positive ion will have the same influence as full moon, make people sick.Sucahyo> > >> > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling device that work without battery, that is not EM science.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I believe negative ion are good for people.

I believe that my zapper produce negative ion kind of energy too since it can

make people sleep:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=1463599645823

With car coil or other high voltage transformer, the above circuit will also

produce negative ion, but only if wired/utilized correctly. We use the circuit

to produce corona, and the part that exposed to the air must be the part with

the most negative polarity.

For passive device I use cemenite:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=1352127579091

Sucahyo

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> > > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is

the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

I forget to mention the easiest clue. From Bob Beck Body Electric, positive for

infection, negative for regeneration.

Bob Beck use positive to kill the infection and do not use it long. He apply

negative for cell regeneration.

Regeneration means growth and preserve life.

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> > > > If you look at people testimony, notice that the working solution is

the solution that do not use EM science. The marketer talk about EMF canceling

device that work without battery, that is not EM science.

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[Guest guest]

I know him as Bob Becker first though.

LED said to work more efficiently if it is turned on with pulse. 1Khz if I am

not mistaken. LED may also transmit pulse from it's switching power supply too.

I don't think health risk would be proportional with the strength or the

frequency of a device. Else the operator or repairman of such device would be at

risk first.

I am a fan of free energy. There is a circuit that is know to produce headache,

joule thief. My zapper is not too different than joule thief, but I never

experience headache. If I run both at same frequency and same power level, the

reaction is different.

About intention, I think it will also depend on " talent " . And I think the effect

would not be permanent. It will wear off over time.

For cellphone sticker, I think it is not to prevent EM radiation, but to prevent

what being carried along the EM radiation. Those sticker power may wear off

sooner or later.

I believe that my cemenite will reduce headache caused by cellphone or TV or

anything related. But I also use cemenite to increase the signal of my cellphone

to get less internet interruption on places with weak signal.

I get less annoyance but more signal. I believe that what make people sick is

not electric nor magnetic.

Sucahyo.

>

> You mean Becker, he wrote that book.

>

>

>

> But now to the 'Smart Meter' issue, I have the following thoughts.

>

>

>

> I am a physicist 'but' interested in other things, like what is discussed

> here. In many ways, I have to side with , the RF engineer. We are so

> bombarded with RF from radio, satellite TV, cell towers, WiFi, cell phones,

> wireless handsets, that it seems ridiculous that such a smart meter, as he

> describes, could do any harm. I remember even the discussion about

> electromagnetic waves from TVs and computer monitors. I have not heard

> anything about this anymore, because we now have flat panel LCDs which

> transmit just a tiny amount of RF. However, I measured once the low

> frequency EM from the backlighter power supply of my laptop LCD screen, it

> runs in the 16 kHz or so. That I picked up! The technology is even very

> interesting, it is a capacitive voltage multiplier that they use to drive

> the electroluminescence backlighter. You don't have that with the new LED

> backlight LCD panels (I think). But these produce a lot of infrared and I

> wonder if that is good for your eyes, sometimes my face feels very warm from

> working long in front of them.

>

>

>

> Anyway, we are surrounded by a big mess of RF, now if one were to measure

> the RF output from the smart meter, how would you know that you don't pick

> up the neighbor's WiFi or cell phone?? You would need an expensive spectrum

> analyzer, not a cheap 'radiation detector'.

>

>

>

> However, why then is there such a big problem that people are reporting???

> This does not compute for me! What else can be going on then? I mean, I

> don't not disregard the people that obviously got into harm's way with these

> smart meters.

>

>

>

> If the RF amplitude is not the problem it can only be the 'data'. How could

> the data affect people's health? Is there a problem with the data rate, does

> it hit a 'Rife frequency' or something similar, that somehow negatively

> affects people's health?

>

>

>

> How would the body know how to react to that signal, which is only

> transmitted such a few times with such low power?? That is probably buried

> in all the other RF trash that we have already.

>

>

>

> Or is it the negative association that people have with these meters, a

> so-called thought-pattern or 'program', that makes it harmful? Even if it is

> an 'unintended intent' so-to-say, it could still be powerful that it could

> produce harm. I am familiar with dowsing and harmful energy lines

> (gridlines, Hartmann and Curry grid), they can be neutralized with the most

> ridiculous methods. This brings up an interesting story: It was in the

> 1990s, when I would drive from Reno to the Sacramento Dowsers Meetings. At

> one of these meetings, we were introduced to the 'shielding' properties of

> glass fiber matts (which are used with epoxy in boat repairs, etc.). There

> was a power panel in the meeting room and people 'measured' with their

> pendulum the harmful energies emerging from that panel. Then the instructor

> put the glass fiber piece inside the panel and closed it, after which the

> people in the audience were convincingly astonished how well that worked!

> Especially one gifted woman who was very impressed with this method. Because

> of other things that I knew, I told her that I could also make an absorber,

> I tore the corner off of my note pad, wrote " Absorber " on it and stuck it

> onto the panel. She used her pendulum and said 'yes, it works but not as

> good as the glass fiber', so I said I would fix that and took the piece of

> paper and put an " 10x " in front of the " Absorber " and told her that now the

> efficiency of the absorber is ten-fold! I stuck it back onto the panel and

> she tried to find any bad energy coming out of the panel and said: 'It's

> gone, I can't sense it anymore!'

>

>

>

> So here we have an example of how powerful an intent can be. Or I influenced

> her, who knows. But believe can be very strong and we all know how important

> that is in one's health.

>

>

>

> If you are getting a smart meter and you believe it is going to kill or harm

> you, then it will - 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. But you can always grab a

> note pad, tear a piece off, write " 10xAbsorber " on it and I believe that it

> will work, as many other amazing things as I have seen, this should do it -

> or the glass fiber matts for sure!

>

>

>

> Has anyone seen these little round stickers that you can stick on your cell

> phone (or computer monitor, etc.) that supposedly stop the harmful radiation

> from one's cell phone? A friend of mine here in Reno has it and he swears by

> it. It is the same thing like my little piece of torn paper! If these

> stickers really would block the radiation from the cell phones, the cell

> phones would stop working!!!!

>

>

>

> So now we have to find out what is 'wrong' with these smart meters. It is

> not a conspiracy, these are supposed to make life easier for the utility

> companies, nothing else.

>

>

>

> It can't (or shouldn't) be the power. Does it have to do with the data or

> data rate that is transferred? Is it due to a negative association, a

> 'thought pattern' with these devices? What else could be the matter? I am

> also familiar with Reich's orgone and Reichenbach's od, that is tough to

> verify, similar to dowsing noxious energies.

>

>

>

> With best wishes,

>

>

>

> Stephan

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of sucahyo a

> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:49 PM

>

> Subject: Re: " Smart meters " - Citizens of BC,

> Read carefully... You need to know this !

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> I forget to mention the easiest clue. From Bob Beck Body Electric, positive

> for infection, negative for regeneration.

>

> Bob Beck use positive to kill the infection and do not use it long. He apply

> negative for cell regeneration.

>

> Regeneration means growth and preserve life.

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