Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Hey Folks, we have a volunteer! Who's going to do the needle stick? bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi Dotsie, Good point. The world is not the same as when one could let their children out the front door in the morning and tell them to be home for dinner. Those days are just gone. And so it is also with the manufacturer when they could openingly share what their units were doing for people. I got involved back in 2000 and it was even more open then but not now, and with good reason. The threat of jail time is a very real issue and not one to take lightly. I recall a woman (who has cfids herself and used the protocol to treat hersel) made the comment when was sentenced that she didn't know if she would be able to survive if it were her. On the comment about questioning their motives, I hope I did not come across as doing that because that was not my intent. I personally think all those that I have had contact with have had pure motives with a great desire to help the suffering. Gail - In , DotsieBoo@... wrote: > I would like to get this list back on track. I am in favor of questioning > these devices but I would like to leave the manufacturers of these products > out of the line of fire by questioning their motives or asking for advice. > There was a time when I thought these lists would be a safe place to ask these > questions but the price is too high to pay in this current political climate. > > Dotsie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Shanti, From what I've seen, tetrasilvertetroxide by IV is the closest thing to a 1-shot cure. Why is it not being researched? Peace, deenie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Yes , I am doing the FULL BB protocol. I am avoiding the things that he says to avoid. I lead a fairly healthy lifestyle. I watch what I eat and exercise regularly. Actually, it's too soon for me to speak and criticize the BB protocol for my own experience because I just started it on Dec. 18, 2006. Basically, I got frustrated cause I wasn't hearing any success stories from people that HAD BEEN using the protocol for months to years. I feel great right now, but it's just scary when you hear that the HIV virus eventually eats away at your immune system leaving you vulnerable for an opportunistic infection that could lead to a painful, slow death! I plan on trying alot of things other than the Bob Beck Protocol. Even if I can't erradicate the HIV virus, it would be awesome if I could just prevent the onset of an AIDS illness in the long run. It's really not about becoming HIV-free, it's about not getting sick with a deadly opportunistic infection. If I can just avoid that, life would be grand! Tavis Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Tavis, I've been watching you discussion but just now found time to weigh in. I'm sympathetic to your situation, as I have been hiv positive for nearly twenty years; most of that time I've remained pretty healthy. Most of that time, I've also stayed as far away from doctors and pharmaceuticals as humanly possibe, prefering instead to implement the less injurious protocols of Ozone Therapy and of course, blood electrification. I wish I could tell you that I applied these modalities and the next day woke up completely disiease free--but I can't. I can tell you though, without hesitation, that these techniques have not only provided relief, but most likely also saved my life. I could go on about that, but suffice it to say, my advice to you is to be patient, and believe in this miracle of blood electrifcation: It really does work. Another quick note: to make a long story short, I believe my first idiot doctor completely missed a simple diagnosis of syphilis in my case, and this alone has cost me dearly. I believe now, with all my heart, that the Ozone injections that I was taking to address my hiv infection, actually completely and swiftly cured me of late stage syphilis. I believe this because: #1, my medical history bears this out. My research into tertiary, or late stage, syphilis shows that sufferers are prone to neurological infections, i.e. brain inffection, as well as stroke, both of which were evident in the MRI scan that was done when was hospitalized. #2, When a patient is treated for late stage syphilis with powerful antibiotics, he can expect a mother of all herxheimer reactions, this is in the medical literature and well documented. Well, if you don't already know, Ozone acts exactly like a powerful antibiotic such as penicilin, and since two folow-up spinal taps yielded no sign of infection, I'm pretty confident in my conclusions. From an historical standpoint, the hiv infected individual would do well to remember the words of Dr. Luc Montagne(sp?), the original discoverer of the supposed hiv virus, the alleged cause of aids, he strongly recommended that research be continued in the co-factor theory, that is, that hiv is not the sole and necassary cause of this invented disease so-called aids. My advice to you, though you haven't asked me for it, is to have your own idiot doctor do a THOUROUGH test for other sexually transmitted diseases, especially syphilis. For more on this, read Coulter's " Aids & Syphilis; the Hidden Link " . The truth is, the commonly administered antibody tests are inadequate, and don't properly show an existing infection for syphilis, not surprising because the patient is generally already immuno suppressed. The body doesn't make antibodies, so it's no surprise that these tests routinely show a false negative results. That's why it's important to get the lumbar puncture test for syphilis. Neoro syphils is nothing to laugh at, believe me. My condition resulted in what the doctor termed " shrinkage of the brain " . He went on to say that everybody's brain shrinks with age, and that I would just be walking around with an older man's brain. How F**KING preposterous! I now have to be very careful how I move my head, and never too quickly, otherwise the room begins to spin and I loose my balance completely, Very distressing to be sure, and I'm insensed by the idiot doctor's trivialized portrayal of such a dire condition. Perhaps now you can understand better my distrust of all doctors! My first idiot doctor actually reacted as though he were insulted by my refusal to take azt fifteen years ago. I don't think I need to go into the obvious here, that that may have been one of the most important decisions I've made in the past fifteen years, and I would caution everyone to review their current medications and avoid the azt, which increadibly, is still be prescribed! Stay away from some of the earlier combination/cocktail drugs like combivir. Enough for now, sorry this is so long and I apologize for any mispelled words, I just don't have time to proof read this. I hope my words here are taken in the spirit intended: to offer a little advice and encouragement to a fellow traveler on the road of life. Take care. J. > > Yes , I am doing the FULL BB protocol. ... It's really not about becoming HIV-free, it's about not getting sick with a deadly opportunistic infection. If I can > just avoid that, life would be grand! > > > Tavis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Wonderful post . You are a very courageous person. :>) > > > > Yes , I am doing the FULL BB protocol. ... It's really not about > becoming HIV-free, it's about not getting sick with a deadly opportunistic > infection. If I can > > just avoid that, life would be grand! > > > > > > Tavis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hi J. , Thank you so much for your wonderful and encouraging post. So you have been living a little over 20 yrs. since your being diagnosed HIV+ huh? Wow, that is a testimony in itself. What health changes have your gone thru other than the syphilis (which I'm sure was enough in itself)? I need to hear more testimonies like yours as we are taught that HIV = DEATH unless you take the drugs. You don't know how much I appreciate you taking the time out to tell your testimony to me and the group. I have been so down and depressed since I found out that I am HIV+. In June I was so happy when I found out I was HIV- after the doctor told me that he believed that my fever and swollen glands were due to HIV. Then 5 months later, (Nov.2, '06) I go to get tested again and I am HIV+. It was devastating and I haven't been the same ever since. I'm at a point now where I don't know who to believe. I read the pros and cons for HIV drugs and I am afraid either way. I just want to find a way to live with HIV and hopefully find a way not to be overcome by opportunistic infections. It's just so scary because right now I am so healthy. I exercise regularly and watch what I eat. I don't smoke or do drugs. I zap constantly and drink alot of green tea, ozonated water, and colloidal silver. I just recently got my Hulda herbs in the mail. I need to hear more positive testimonies of people that DID NOT take HIV drugs and lived healthy for 15+ years. If you're out there, please don't hesitate to speak up! You guys have been such encouragement to me and I appreciate each and everyone of you. May God bless you all and keep showing the love. It makes us all stronger. Tavis ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Tavis, You're welcome. I would point out, that I've been infected for almost twenty years; history doesn't record the exact date when I was diagnosed, curiously. It might have been about five years later. I WELL remember though the night I was infected, I will NEVER forget THAT night as loing as I live. It was a long night of love, but I'll spair you the details... But I would point out, to all you heteros out there, you're being lied-to about infectablility among straight people, engaging in normal, hetero-sexual sex: this virus is very difficult to aquire, and involves a very specific act, one that most straight people don't engage in. (I'm one of those people who thinks Magic is a bald-faced lier.) Enough said about that. You say you don't know what to do, I can understand perfectly your dilema. there's so much conflicting information out there, many lies, it's difficult to know which way to jump. My advice to you now is to go deep inside yourself, and meditate on this. Never discount the power that you have inside YOU, and let that power be your guide. Surrender yourself to it. It will point the way. While I was formulating my plan of attack, I did much meditating, all the time, every chance I got. I didn't know what I would do, only what I WOULDN'T do. That seemed to be enough, and now, fifteen years later, I'm well on my way to the health that ten years ago I only dreamed of. (Part of this is to refer to hiv in lower case letters; you assign it too much power by using all caps when referencing this trivial virus. :-) ) It's things like this that help establish your new mindset, one of power over your perdicament. My twin brother, who has been a partner lately in my epic illiad quest for health, coined a phrase that comes to mind: " the unseen hand. " This refers to the seemingly serendipitous incidents that put us in touch with good and valuable information, be it a magazine article or news program. I stumbled on blood electrification by reading Nexus magazine, and this and other articles I read there helped guide me along the way. In the end, you'll be the one to decide what's best for you, drugs or no drugs, electrification, Ozone, etc, and if you access your inner self, you'll do the right thing. Guaranteed. READ, READ, READ. Read everything you can get your hands on pertaining to this issue. It's helpful to know what EVERYONE on both sides of this issue is thinking/saying, even if you don't agree. It helps you form your own opinion. Don't let this little blip in your life defeat you before you even try fighting it. You have access to the same powers that oppose you, tap into it. And by all means, don't give up hope. In my darkest hours, when it seemed I was loosing the battle, I can see now that these were actually turning points toward better health. When your Tcells are below 50, you're feeling weak, and everything seems hopeless, remember that sometimes things HAVE to get worse before they get better, and they almost always do both. Best wishes to you; be strong and have faith. Pat > > Hi J. , > > Thank you so much for your wonderful and encouraging > post. So you have been living a little over 20 yrs. > since your being diagnosed HIV+ huh? Wow, that is a > testimony in itself. What health changes have your > gone thru other than the syphilis (which I'm sure was > enough in itself)? I need to hear more testimonies > like yours as we are taught that HIV = DEATH unless > you take the drugs... ....I need to hear more positive testimonies of people > that DID NOT take HIV drugs and lived healthy for 15+ > years. If you're out there, please don't hesitate to > speak up! You guys have been such encouragement to me > and I appreciate each and everyone of you. May God > bless you all and keep showing the love. It makes us > all stronger. > > > Tavis > > > > ____________________________________________________________ ________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Amen brother... Pat > > Thanks for the sad story,I also have good reasons to distrust anyone who got out of school,and just stopped learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Sahib Bob Beck said it best: " Take back your power! " It's just that simple. I'm happy to share, that's why I joined these newsgroups! Pat > > J., > thank you so much for having the courage to share your story! You are > living proof that one can have a chronic illness and live healthy and happy! It > is up to each one of us to take our healing into our own hands and be > diligent about it. Keep up the phenominal work on yourself. You are a beacon of > light amongst many. > Shanti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hello Pat, Thank you for your beautiful story of courage and perseverance in such a trying time! I'm sure your testimony meant more to Tavis than anything anybody else said. We so need to hear from more people infected. I have a few questions and suggestions for you. You mentioned doing ozone therapy as well as blood electrification. You also mention getting ozone injections. May I ask if you did other ozone applications? If not, how many injections did you get, and are you still getting them. I am thinking (after bG's post about it being in the gut) rectal insufflating would be most beneficial. I also wanted to mention curcumin for the brain shrinkage. It is suppose to be very good for all brain diaorders as well as the nervous system. Reported it actually increasing the brain by 3% in only 6 weeks of recommended daily dosage. Also, is suggested to get the one with Bioperine in it as the Bioperine greatly enhances the bioavailablity. It's easily found by googling it; Curcumin98 100,000mg with Bioperine. Regular curcumin without the bioperine doesn't seem to be as effective. You are a lovely soul. Thank you for sharing. Gail -- In , " Kluesner " <jpjk@...> wrote: > > prefering instead to implement the less injurious protocols of Ozone Therapy > and of course, blood electrification. <snip> I could go on about that, but > suffice it to say, my advice to you is to be patient, and believe in this miracle > of blood electrifcation: It really does work. <snip> > I believe now, with all my heart, that the Ozone injections > that I was taking to address my hiv infection, actually completely and swiftly > cured me of late stage syphilis. <snip> , > Neoro syphils is nothing to laugh at, believe me. My condition resulted in what > the doctor termed " shrinkage of the brain " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 We must have radar love, I've been mulling over the hiv in the gut thing and remembered Ed McCabe's story of how a couple of guys used Ozone just like that and reported sero-negativity in the space of maybe, over a year. I dabbled with rectal insufflation, but found it very uncomfortable. However, in light of bG's very enlightening posts regarding hiv/in the gut, I've got a whole new attitude about it. For now, I'm giving his Godzilla Paddles a whirl, using them twice daily most days, backing off whenever it feels right to do so. I gotta say, these things are amazingly powerful! As far as Ozone injections go, I did this daily myself, with my brother's assistance of course, and injected many, many CC's each time. I don't recall now exactly how much, I'd have to look it up, but I did record the amounts for the sake of scientific research of course. I had a pick line put in to facilitate the injections, as many years of this protocol had caused my veins to retreat. No problem there, though I'm no longer doing the Ozone injections. Anyone considering Ozone for any condition, I say go for it. It worked for me and I'd do it all over again. I amaze myself sometimes, when I think back to that syphilis infection that we CURED using Ozone, and I didn't even know I had it! I want to thank you for the Circumin tip, from the bottom of my heart. At this point, I'm willing to try anything to help this condition. It never occured to me that anything could be done about it; that's what I get for not following my own advice and ignoring ANYTHING a doctor tells me. All this excitement about my courage and all that stuff, let's not get carried away. I did what most people do when they get backed into a corner: that is, they come out fighting! That's always been my attitude, especially when it comes to my health considerations. I'm not afraid to die, in fact, I look forward to that glorious moment. But i'll be damned if I'm going to lie down and die just because some idiot doctor points a bone at me. 'Nuf said. Pat > > Hello Pat, > > Thank you for your beautiful story of courage and perseverance in > such a trying time!... Thank you for sharing. > > Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 shanti, Point taken. I've watched helplessly while friends or loved ones did just that. Hard to believe. Pat > > Hi Pat, > you know what you said about the courage thing.. No not everybody comes out > fighting.. they believe everything the doctors tell them to do even if it is > killing them and when that doesn't work they give up.. seen more folks doing > that than following their heart so yes we are all courageous. we that trust > our intuition, follow our hearts and don't give up when the first therapy > doesn't work. > shanti > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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