Re: Colloidal silver 'brown'

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How about brown as a colour? Is that over-cooked too?

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Ya you have to kind of watch it mostly you want it a creamy white or gold or

yellowish sort of color if you use brown glass bottlwe to store it in like a

prune juice bottle or container. They say use distilled water but you have to

add a few drops of sea salt and warm it up say in a micro wave.

But really Bob Beck used ordinary tap water and only for a few minutes say 3-5

minutes. The thicker the Silver wire #10 or 12 gauge the better and or quicker

the results.

But even the brown stuff can be used say externally for skin rash or or a foot

soak for athletes foot or something.

if you want a stronger concentration just heat the water you are using. but

really it should only take4 a few minutes to make a batch or glass of water.

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You want clear, pale yellow or gold - never brown. It is either way over-cooked

or there are considerable other substances in the water. Just because some

bottled water suppliers claim their water is distilled doesn't mean it is so or

done very well.

Warmly, Vicki

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Excuse me for butting in here but I've been making this stuff for several years

and I have never seen a 'creamy white' solution. I use clear glass containers

for production and the same containers for storage.

My product is always absolutely clear and transparent, be it clear or yellow in

colour. On the odd occasion it will turn between lemon yellow, to yellow, and/or

thru to golden over time in storage, but not often, and this could be due to any

number or reasons.

As long as I observe NIL settlement/mud or gravel gravity has pulled out of

solution I am satisfied it's top quality stuff.

Some may say use salt but I would NEVER consider adding ANY form of salt to the

water, besides not being a good idea there is no need. Distilled Water will not

be *that* pure that electrolysis fails, it just takes a little longer to start.

I've found it impossible to give any approximation in time line for production

using a glass {250-300ml} of DW using a non current controlled battery unit. My

experience has shown there are far too many variables to suggest an approximate

time frame for a particular result {contrary to what I read in the public

domain}. A glass of Rain water, not a problem, approximately 40+ppm total

silver content in around 3-5 minutes {laboratory analysed}. Again, that would

vary depending on location and any impurities which may be present *in* the air

*where* it rains.

Out in the bush it could be just pollen or dust in the air, or animal poop dust

{who knows?}, near industrial cities or towns it could be any number of

contaminants in the air from any industrial enterprises, and then add dust

and/or pollen etc into that mix praps.

Although Bob Beck used plain old tap water, I believe we have come some way in

gaining a better understanding of improved and more accepted production

practices since then and as a consequence I would never use mains water under

any circumstance...with the exeption praps in emergency, and for very short term

only. Rain water, yes, mains water, never.

I personally don't subscribe to heating the water either {been there, done that,

and was not satisfied} as I am unsure of what occurs when that water cools...are

any particle clusters which form *larger* than desirable for example? Besides,

Bob Beck made this process a simple one, and I like to keep it that way.

Just passing on my experiences over several years for what they're worth. I

rarely use my battery unit nowadays, only in a real emergency, I use a current

controlled 24v DC mains powered unit.

There are as many differing opinions as there are information sites regarding

this stuff, as there are EIS/CS generator designs and configurations, mine are

just one of em <grin>.

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Had the same problem once. Bought distilled water which actually turned out to be plain contaminated tap water.Now buy from a CERTIFIED supplier and no problems. Mine is always clear or with a tinge of gold.In my humble opinion, never use tap water.Good health to you all.RBFrom: thisblaksheep <nevillemunn@...>Subject: Re: Colloidal silver 'brown' Received: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 6:33 AM

Excuse me for butting in here but I've been making this stuff for several years and I have never seen a 'creamy white' solution. I use clear glass containers for production and the same containers for storage.

My product is always absolutely clear and transparent, be it clear or yellow in colour. On the odd occasion it will turn between lemon yellow, to yellow, and/or thru to golden over time in storage, but not often, and this could be due to any number or reasons.

As long as I observe NIL settlement/mud or gravel gravity has pulled out of solution I am satisfied it's top quality stuff.

Some may say use salt but I would NEVER consider adding ANY form of salt to the water, besides not being a good idea there is no need. Distilled Water will not be *that* pure that electrolysis fails, it just takes a little longer to start.

I've found it impossible to give any approximation in time line for production using a glass {250-300ml} of DW using a non current controlled battery unit. My experience has shown there are far too many variables to suggest an approximate time frame for a particular result {contrary to what I read in the public domain}. A glass of Rain water, not a problem, approximately 40+ppm total silver content in around 3-5 minutes {laboratory analysed}. Again, that would vary depending on location and any impurities which may be present *in* the air *where* it rains.

Out in the bush it could be just pollen or dust in the air, or animal poop dust {who knows?}, near industrial cities or towns it could be any number of contaminants in the air from any industrial enterprises, and then add dust and/or pollen etc into that mix praps.

Although Bob Beck used plain old tap water, I believe we have come some way in gaining a better understanding of improved and more accepted production practices since then and as a consequence I would never use mains water under any circumstance...with the exeption praps in emergency, and for very short term only. Rain water, yes, mains water, never.

I personally don't subscribe to heating the water either {been there, done that, and was not satisfied} as I am unsure of what occurs when that water cools...are any particle clusters which form *larger* than desirable for example? Besides, Bob Beck made this process a simple one, and I like to keep it that way.

Just passing on my experiences over several years for what they're worth. I rarely use my battery unit nowadays, only in a real emergency, I use a current controlled 24v DC mains powered unit.

There are as many differing opinions as there are information sites regarding this stuff, as there are EIS/CS generator designs and configurations, mine are just one of em <grin>.

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I believe the creamy white solution is silver chloride formed from the chorine in tap water. I only saw it once when I used a non distilled bottle of water. I disposed of both the bottled water and the creamy white solution and found a better source for my distilled water.Dave From: thisblaksheep <nevillemunn@...> Sent: Thu, 18 November, 2010 9:33:27 AMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver 'brown'

Excuse me for butting in here but I've been making this stuff for several years and I have never seen a 'creamy white' solution. I use clear glass containers for production and the same containers for storage.

My product is always absolutely clear and transparent, be it clear or yellow in colour. On the odd occasion it will turn between lemon yellow, to yellow, and/or thru to golden over time in storage, but not often, and this could be due to any number or reasons.

As long as I observe NIL settlement/mud or gravel gravity has pulled out of solution I am satisfied it's top quality stuff.

Some may say use salt but I would NEVER consider adding ANY form of salt to the water, besides not being a good idea there is no need. Distilled Water will not be *that* pure that electrolysis fails, it just takes a little longer to start.

I've found it impossible to give any approximation in time line for production using a glass {250-300ml} of DW using a non current controlled battery unit. My experience has shown there are far too many variables to suggest an approximate time frame for a particular result {contrary to what I read in the public domain}. A glass of Rain water, not a problem, approximately 40+ppm total silver content in around 3-5 minutes {laboratory analysed}. Again, that would vary depending on location and any impurities which may be present *in* the air *where* it rains.

Out in the bush it could be just pollen or dust in the air, or animal poop dust {who knows?}, near industrial cities or towns it could be any number of contaminants in the air from any industrial enterprises, and then add dust and/or pollen etc into that mix praps.

Although Bob Beck used plain old tap water, I believe we have come some way in gaining a better understanding of improved and more accepted production practices since then and as a consequence I would never use mains water under any circumstance...with the exeption praps in emergency, and for very short term only. Rain water, yes, mains water, never.

I personally don't subscribe to heating the water either {been there, done that, and was not satisfied} as I am unsure of what occurs when that water cools...are any particle clusters which form *larger* than desirable for example? Besides, Bob Beck made this process a simple one, and I like to keep it that way.

Just passing on my experiences over several years for what they're worth. I rarely use my battery unit nowadays, only in a real emergency, I use a current controlled 24v DC mains powered unit.

There are as many differing opinions as there are information sites regarding this stuff, as there are EIS/CS generator designs and configurations, mine are just one of em <grin>.

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Very well explained thisblacksheep.

The creamy white " stuff " is Silver Chloride (AgCl). It is formed whenever

chlorides are in the water from either chlorine (Cl2) or salt (sodium chloride

or NaCl).

Whent the silver ions (Ag+) are being produced (from the anode or + terminal)

they are in a strongly attractive state due to the net positive charge. It is a

cation. Cations are atoms that have lost an electron to become positively

charged. If there are any anions around then the Ag+ will glom onto them

readily. You then form AgCl (silver chloride) which is a non-soluable

particulate. It tells you there are contaminants in the water (chlorine, salt,

etc.).

Therefore, change the water! A good quality distilled water will have little or

none of these types of contaminants. The result should be a clear to slight

golden hue to your silver water.

Silver chloride consumed in large quantities will/may cause argyria. So, don't

drink it. Give it to your plants or toss it.

The latest constant-current silver makers (like SOTA's Silver Pulser) are the

preferred method for making ionic~colloidal silver.

Technically, with the low voltage method we are all making ionic silver with a

low percentage of elemental colliodal silver.

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Could you share the circuit schematic or the manufacturer of your CS device?

Thanks,

Randy

From: thisblaksheep <nevillemunn@...> Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 2:33:27 PMSubject: Re: Colloidal silver 'brown'

Excuse me for butting in here but I've been making this stuff for several years and I have never seen a 'creamy white' solution. I use clear glass containers for production and the same containers for storage.My product is always absolutely clear and transparent, be it clear or yellow in colour. On the odd occasion it will turn between lemon yellow, to yellow, and/or thru to golden over time in storage, but not often, and this could be due to any number or reasons....

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Excuse me! For sounding like an idiot!

Must have been a bad day that day when I wrote this. But I have gotten both the

brown disolored water and the white precipitate.

If I use tap water or filtered for chlorine water.

And are we not all experimentors on this blog? If not we might we not be shut

down by what we discuss on here? So I reserve the right to be wrong from time to

time

My best results have come from distilled water. But still unknown to me are

these so-called " Colloidal silver generators " . As I just use 3 9v batteries in

series type connector for my power to the electrodes.

Could it also be bad or impurities in the supposed pure .9999 silver rods?

As there are people in this world who will try to make a buck any way they can

especially off the internet maybe even to disrupt this Bob Beck protocol!

As far as salt goes Bob Beck mentioned the addition of pure " Sea Salt only " . 1/2

teaspoon for 4 oz. Distilled h2o . And only a few drops per 8 oz glass or cup or

larger batches of water to help the reaction. And he also provided the info on

heating the water to various temperatures above 70 degree's. To increase the ppm

in any batch of say 70, 80, 90 degree F water and or above.

It is in one of the pdf's I downloaded from his site.

I also imagine he used tap water for his video demonstrations, to more quickly

expedite or demonstrate the " tyndal effect " of the silver or other particles

floating in the water or solution while shining a laser pointer light in the

glass of water.

Also as far as concentration goes I would guess bigger or more ppm is not always

better when dealing with microbes on the molecular or cell level. So short

duration say 3-5 minutes of rod exposure to solution in small batches or amounts

of pure water can some times be just as powerful as a more concentrated

solutions.

Maybe some day I will switch to DC power unit but as long as what I use works I

will keep doing it the same for now.

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One other thing Mr " Excuse me " !

Did you ever watch any of Bob's video's on u-tube or google about colloidal

silver? Cuz it sure looks like a whiteish colored precipitate when he makes " his

batches of colloidal silver " , and then drinks it down right away in his video's

as well!

We don't see any gold or yellow color liquids! When " Bob Beck " makes a batch

live on camera either. Though he talks about the yellow type sold in health food

stores in a few of his Bob Beck pdf's . Even the fact that some manufacturers

have added yellow food coloring as well.

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Cuz?

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Oops, sounds like you were thinking I was having a shot at you...I wasn't, just

passing on my personal experience.

I sell nothing and I promote nothing, and I'm a 'black sheep' cos I don't

subscribe to a lot of what I read in the public domain, I act for myself only.

OK, that's out of the way <grin>.

I have nothing against battery units, I started out with one and STILL use it in

an emergency, but it did became apparent that current controlled units were the

way to go, shop bought, home made, made by a friend...doesn't matter. And I use

that battery unit cos I know {from laboratory analysis} that I can get very high

total silver content in a very short brew time using rain water, and if ingested

IMMEDIATELY upon cessation of brewing it is *mostly* silver ions that it

contains, besides chlorides and anything else which may be in that rain water.

The longer it sits in storage the more ions are lost to particle clusters until

a point of solution stabilization is reached over time, so I make small batches

and use it immediately it finishes brewing to maximise on that silver ion

content. I should add here that this type solution WILL be milky white of

course.

I've gotten a 'tea' coloured solution ONCE, and I believe it was because I used

a crystal glass brewing vessel. I've asked the question elsewhere as to whether

the lead in that crystal could have had some influence on that colour...NO

REPLY, so I must make my own determination and assume it WAS the lead in that

crystal container which caused that result. I intend to repeat that excercise

one day to see if I get another 'tea' coloured solution, and I've used it to

spray in the mouth for a glandular issue {experimenting...but it seemed to fix

the swollen gland issue...and pronto}.

Was is that 'tea' coloured solution that returned those glands back to normal? -

I have no idea - but I'm not afraid to use it sublingually if I consider it

necessary, contrary to popular opinion regarding 'coloured' solutions. I would

NOT ingest it every day as I do with my normal solutions however.

As I stated earlier, if my solutions are absolutely transparent and gravity

fails to pull any silver out of my solutions over time in storage, I consider

that solution to be 100% bioavailable. Sure, those particle clusters which may

be present may be larger in size than may be desirable, but they are not too

large so as to NOT be bioavailable {opinion}. Anything we produce will/should

be *well* below half a micron, or 500nm, to me it just means that the larger

those particle clusters are the less efficacious they *may?* be, but they will

STILL be efficaious to some degree. As for Argyria, I'm a 'black sheep' again

because I don't believe that is an option caused by the product we produce today

by the electrolysis process. Of course if one ingests 20 gallons a day, then

all bets are off.

It won't be impurities in the silver {as long as it's minimum 3x9 silver, or

99.9 silver}. Three nine silver, or 99.9 silver in all probability will be

99.98% or something silver, which is that close to 99.99, or 4x9 silver it

doesn't matter. Extra effort must be made to get the assay done for 99.99 if

you get my drift, so it's put out as 99.9 to be accurate and not mislead

percentages. Any impurities in that silver will be so minimal when producing

EIS/CS that it pails into insignificance in the scheme of things.

Regarding Bob Beck:

(1) Again, as I stated earlier, we have come a long way since he made available

the methods for producing this stuff {and all EIS/CS producers and users today

owe him an eternal debt of gratitude} but I still maintain adding salt will

NEVER be an option for ME. Others can do as they wish, but I will never consider

salt in any way, shape or form as we are basically a bag of salt, besides, I

don't believe any DW will be so pure as to make electrolysis impossible, it will

just extend the time for electrolysis to start that's all, and I don't mind

waiting.

(2) And again, I don't find heating the water to be of any value *TO ME* as I

don't mind being around for the amount of time it takes to produce either a

glass or 2 litres of EIS/CS. Others can do so if they wish it matters not to

me, but as I need to remove my electrodes at every 30 minute mark to wipe them

clean and swap the polarity over I don't care if I have to be in close proximity

for a while. I am particularly pedantic, or fussy, about my production methods.

(3) He *insisted* that garlic was never to be consumed while using EIS/CS...I

don't subscribe to that theory either. I eat garlic in my cooking almost every

day of the week and I don't consider there have been too many of my brain cells

killed off, well no more than would be dying normally...consistant with age <g>.

Solution concentration:

I agree, I don't believe higher concentration of silver is better either. The

reason I use the battery unit to get that high ppm {by my standards is high

anyway} is so I can hit the impending health issue *fast and hard*, and while

the bulk of that silver is predominantly still in ionic form.

I may have misread your reply but it sounded like you thought I was having a go

at you, I repeat...I wasn't. I'm no expert on this stuff for the several years

of my involvement, but I have made my own determinations over considerable time,

considerable reading, and considerable deliberation and reading between the

lines from all I have read and heard in the public domain. It doesn't help me

make too many friends I know, but I pass on whatever I do as an additional form

of information. People can agree or they can severely criticise me for my

opinions, it matters little to me. I've been doing what I've been doing for

quite some time now and I ain't blue, my fingernail moons/beds ain't grey or

blue, and my fingernails aren't breaking or falling off because I don't take

selenium either.

OH, just to conclude, most information states that the ratio of ion/particle

content will be around 70% or so in ionic form and the remaining 20% or so will

be in particulate form...well I've had several samples analysed using AAS and I

can get far closer to 50/50 than anywhere I've read in the public domain. I

believe it's important to remember WHEN the sample is analysed. Example: if

it's analysed immediately after cessation of production then that ratio could be

higher in ionic content, but if that sample is analysed a week later the result

could be somewhat different...I'm open to correction on that so anyone can feel

free to offer their findings.

Sometimes it's really hard to get adequate answers to some questions when one

gets into the nitty gritty of this stuff. It's a simple concept, but very

complex at the same time. I believe there are still some questions that cannot

be answered adequately and this is why I am encouraged to form some of my own

personal determinations on some matters EIS/CS related {everyone else in the

public domain seems to}. I'm always open to learning more, but sometimes it's

not that straightforward due to lack of scientific studies or whatever, and what

studies that may be available one has to pay for to get access to.

I am also of the belief that for every generator design and/or configuration,

coupled with any ancillary equipment used in the production process, the

environmental conditions where that production takes place plus numerous other

variables...each individual *may* get a differing resultant solution from that

which appears in the public domain. Who is to say that one will get a similar

result as compared to something one reads in the public domain - if they are not

using the exact same equipment, the same methods principals and practices, and

are in similar environmental conditions etc etc?

Over time one is forced to make some determinations for themselves hence I've

been steered into making some determinations for myself, be they right or wrong,

I have to live with them. But I'm still open to learning where it could be

considered I'm wrong I hasten to add. We are all 'backyard scientists' are we

not? As with everything in life, there are some things we believe and there are

some things we don't...unless proven otherwise.

Battery unit:

Whether I use my non current controlled/limited? battery unit or my current

controlled/limited? mains powered unit I use a one hour timer and remove those

electrodes from the water each and every 30 minutes to wipe them clean and swap

polarity over until I have the ppm level I desire. I am not specific with ppm,

I just work within a 'range' of ppm. In fact, that's probly the main reason I

use meters, they give me a reading of when to shut the brewing process down.

One cannot expect a meter to give an accurate ppm figure anyway, only laboratory

analysis can do that, but it's near enough, they give me some idea that I have

produced *something*.

If I brew any volume *over* 300ml I incorporate a stirring method without

question {I make my own simple magnetic stirrers}.

Apologies for lengthy rant etc {this is probly why I don't participate in too

much discussion in the public domain, some things are best kept to oneself to

avoid getting off side with anyone, call me a coward <g>}.

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Please keep in mind that at the time of the video, Bob was working on his

current level of knowledge about the ionic~colloidal silver process.

Since then, much has been understood, discovered, and refined. At the time, Bob

wanted to show how one could make ionic~colloidal silver in emergency

conditions. Since the video, Bob's knowledge base expanded and in his later

years started using the constant-current method as well as using distilled water

to ensure he was making a better quality ionic~colloidal silver. The only way I

know this is because I was in constant communication with Bob and also Bob used

our later model SOTA Silver Pulser for both blood pulsing and making his

ionic~colloidal silver. This later model had the constant-current

ionic~colloidal silver output.

So, please consider the advancement of the technology since this early video.

The milky-white substance shown is silver chloride (AlCl) and it is not

recommended to drink this. It is a contaminant.

However, if you find yourself in an emergency situation and need to make a batch

of ionic~colloidal silver right away, then you can follow the method on the

early video.

I hope this helps,

Russ

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I have been making CS using distilled water and 1.2ma constant current. To make

one gallon takes about 9 hours. It comes out very clear until I run it through a

coffee filter, where it appears to have a distinct silver but clear color to it.

It remains that way for at least several weeks or more.

Even exposing it to light doesn't seem to affect it. I have no idea as to the

PPM.

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How much current do you use?

Bernie

Re: Colloidal silver 'brown'

Please keep in mind that at the time of the video, Bob was working on his current level of knowledge about the ionic~colloidal silver process.Since then, much has been understood, discovered, and refined. At the time, Bob wanted to show how one could make ionic~colloidal silver in emergency conditions. Since the video, Bob's knowledge base expanded and in his later years started using the constant-current method as well as using distilled water to ensure he was making a better quality ionic~colloidal silver. The only way I know this is because I was in constant communication with Bob and also Bob used our later model SOTA Silver Pulser for both blood pulsing and making his ionic~colloidal silver. This later model had the constant-current ionic~colloidal silver output.So, please consider the advancement of the technology since this early video. The milky-white substance shown is silver chloride (AlCl) and it is not recommended to drink this. It is a contaminant.However, if you find yourself in an emergency situation and need to make a batch of ionic~colloidal silver right away, then you can follow the method on the early video.I hope this helps,Russ > > > >> > > > How about brown as a colour? Is that over-cooked too?> > > >> > >> >>

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Hello :

Anything other than clear, light yellow or gold is a silver compound, has bigger

particle size and is not what you want to have. Bob Beck used tap water in one

of his first videos as an example. The length of time again was only an example

for the video, not as instructions. It should not be made that way. Don't add

salt.

Warm regards,

Vicki

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Hi .

It is important to know that much of what is on the internet is very old video

footage of Bob so one doesn't see the chronological changes in Bob's approach

and his own learning over the years. Sharing Health has copyright or

rights-to-use to most of the footage of Bob now and when the www.bobbeck.com

site is fully up, what will be shared is the most accurate and up-to-date

information - up to Bob's passing - plus the information that we have learned in

the last 8 years. There were a few people that knew Bob well and worked with him

closely. The Bob Beck blood electrifier and his protocol as he left it will

always be honored. He is the inventor of the making of ionic silver there is no

doubt. Before that there was only a complicated way to make colloidal silver. In

later years, Bob stopped using salt in the making of ionic silver - specifically

when sota developed their constant current unit as it was a superior method that

Bob was very pleased with.

It is good to experiment and I applaud you for doing your own thing. I think the

folks here just want to let you know the benefit of their experience over the

years. It is true that ingesting silver compounds in large quantities over long

periods of time will cause problems. Because people don't know each others level

of expertise on this forum, we are simply putting forward the blanket warnings

to everyone.

Good wishes to you.

Vicki

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1.5 mA

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