Re: hard proof

[Guest guest]

yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the info shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

[Guest guest]

Hard proof is generally accepted as anything that is reproducible.

Clinical studies are just one way to provide hard proof... it's not the

only way.

Both Beck and Kaali and Lyman did clinical studies. Neither published

the results so we don't have access to them.

However SOTA apparently do have at least some of Becks stuff in their

files... but have never released it on the assumption that the HIV

testing is not conclusive (PCR testing is what Beck did)

Actually all HIV testing has been subjected to criticism by many people

becase it's not conclusive. This is at odds with most other diseases

which can be tested for with a great deal of precision.

I think we should publish and be damned. Let others do the

interpretation. Often someone else taking a look at the data will pull

stuff out of it that the people compiling the data didn't realise was

there.

BTW: has a nice site where he has been collecting scientific

evidence for electromedicine.

:-)

>

> yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the info

shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, can I have the adress for 's site?? (where he collects this info??)

thanks

Pilar

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Czajka <MC1@...> wrote:

Hard proof is generally accepted as anything that is reproducible.Clinical studies are just one way to provide hard proof... it's not the only way.Both Beck and Kaali and Lyman did clinical studies. Neither published

the results so we don't have access to them. However SOTA apparently do have at least some of Becks stuff in their files... but have never released it on the assumption that the HIV testing is not conclusive (PCR testing is what Beck did)

Actually all HIV testing has been subjected to criticism by many people becase it's not conclusive. This is at odds with most other diseases which can be tested for with a great deal of precision.I think we should publish and be damned. Let others do the

interpretation. Often someone else taking a look at the data will pull stuff out of it that the people compiling the data didn't realise was there. BTW: has a nice site where he has been collecting scientific

evidence for electromedicine. :-)>> yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the info shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.>

[Guest guest]

We share our data = we get shutdown and close shop

We make medical refrences = we get shutdown and close shop

We post testimonials = we get shutdown and close shop

We direct people to health-related websites = we get shutdown and

close shop

We answer questions on health = we get shutdown and close shop

We use any health-related words = we get shutdown and close shop

We do not do any of the above = we stay in business and this

technology is available to all

Simple, huh?

Russ

> >

> > yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the

info

> shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mainstream medicine is BIG business and they don't want anything upsetting their applecart which simply means they have to do everything they can to keep the stuff that actually does work from the public. The government does not work for the people, it works for big business and does what it can to keep the deception going.

The economy is going down. Eventually the dominoes will hit the medical community hard. It is already starting to hit them.

It will be interesting even if not all the pleasant for all of us, to watch the changes that will be taking place. As people have to actually pay more of the medical bills they will start looking for something cheaper that actually works rather than the expensive treatments that mainstream medicine mostly offers.

Mainstream medicine does not offer hard proof. The medical studies are mostly a joke. I've started reading a number of ones on vaccine studies. They single out one ingredient but ignore the rest of the toxic waste in the vaccine. The worst part of all are all the "secret ingredients". The public can't be told about all the various ingredients, because we supposedly are too stupid to understand how safe the crap is and we might object to vaccinating our children with the toxins.

The vast majority of medicines on the market do not have studies supporting the present use of the medicine. Nothing. I've even read some medical websites that the physician advising the public obviously hasn't read the package insert that comes with the medicine. The mother asked if the medicine could cause wheezing, doctor said no. One of the listed side-effects is wheezing. So never trust the doctor about a medicine. Read the information on the drug yourself before you take it or give it to your child. One doctor I had taken my child to had prescribed something that when I looked it up said that under no circumstances should it ever be prescribed for a child. I looked up a natural remedy and through the prescription in the trash.

I get tired of all the criticism of natural remedies because there is no "hard proof". The hard proof cannot get published unless you write your own book. And you can't sell a book and the device.

From: sotainstruments <russ@...>Subject: Re: hard proof Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 10:16 AM

We share our data = we get shutdown and close shopWe make medical refrences = we get shutdown and close shopWe post testimonials = we get shutdown and close shopWe direct people to health-related websites = we get shutdown and close shopWe answer questions on health = we get shutdown and close shopWe use any health-related words = we get shutdown and close shopWe do not do any of the above = we stay in business and this technology is available to allSimple, huh?Russ > >> > yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the info > shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.> >>

[Guest guest]

Here, here! Well written and a good perspective!

> > >

> > > yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the

> info

> > shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So Russ, Have the rules hurt your business? You don't have to answer

if you don't want to. Just seems like it would hinder, but word of

mouth can also go a long way.

Gail

-- In , " sotainstruments "

<russ@...> wrote:

>

> We share our data = we get shutdown and close shop

> We make medical refrences = we get shutdown and close shop

> We post testimonials = we get shutdown and close shop

> We direct people to health-related websites = we get shutdown and

> close shop

> We answer questions on health = we get shutdown and close shop

> We use any health-related words = we get shutdown and close shop

>

> We do not do any of the above = we stay in business and this

> technology is available to all

>

> Simple, huh?

> Russ

>

>

> > >

> > > yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say the

> info

> > shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

Rules have made it very difficult for us to share good information

with good folks. It is frustrating for us and those asking the

questions. We freely answered all questions when we opened shop in

1996 (wow, that's amazing, huh?). However, it did not take long for

both the FTC in the USA and Health Canada to send us threatening

letters stating we have mislead the public and we now have to

shutdown our business. Trust me, no one wants to get such letters.

But, we have prevailed. Why? Because we stand for truth. And I have

to say if it were not for Divine Intervention we would not have

survived. We were, and are, truly blessed.

Oddly we do not look this as a " business " , nor have we. Instead we

realized we were stewards of a great technology. A technology that

has helped so many people.

Word of mouth is by far the most powerful way to spread the

knowledge. We are working hard to support this. Word of mouth is

about one person sharing their experiences with another person. It is

a form of communication from the heart. It is about truth.

As long as we can continue to do what we are doing then we know we

are working in accordance with a divine plan. It is a wonderful

journey that inspires us all at SOTA everyday. We are grateful to

play a role in helping a person gain greater health and well-being.

Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the how

it feels knowing that you have saved a life.

A true blessing.

Russ :>)

> > > >

> > > > yeah we know electromedicine works but we can't really say

the

> > info

> > > shows HARD proof because that is reserved for clinical studies.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the how

> it feels knowing that you have saved a life.

>

> A true blessing.

>

> Russ :>)

>

> Hi Russ,

You can't say what the protocol does, but then you state it saved

lives. lol

Is it just me or does it seem like it is not as much fun (if that's

even the correct word) as it use to be? I use to love to participate

on these lists. Not anymore, tho. They have a different feel than

they use to, and I don't know why. Guess if you can't answer questions

then what's the point of asking?

I wish you and your family well.

Gail

ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even to

simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

what it is.

>

[Guest guest]

Ooops! I should not have said that! Oh well, truth slips out.

I think these lists are great for newcomers to the Beck Protocol. I

try to keep an ear to the ground to make sure information is being

shared in the right light. I am more of a by-stander now. Not because

I don't think these lists are valuable, it's because most questions

have been answered by the good folks on this list. There is much

experience here and it is great to have other people answer questions.

Russ ;>)

> >

> >

> Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the

how

> > it feels knowing that you have saved a life.

> >

> > A true blessing.

> >

> > Russ :>)

> >

> > Hi Russ,

>

> You can't say what the protocol does, but then you state it saved

> lives. lol

>

> Is it just me or does it seem like it is not as much fun (if that's

> even the correct word) as it use to be? I use to love to

participate

> on these lists. Not anymore, tho. They have a different feel than

> they use to, and I don't know why. Guess if you can't answer

questions

> then what's the point of asking?

>

> I wish you and your family well.

>

> Gail

> ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even

to

> simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

> what it is.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gterry22000@... writes:

To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a joke!

GT:

If you refer to the welcome letter that is sent when you join this group, you will see that most of the links are dead. This indicates they are no longer in business and were forced to close their doors. You can ask Forrest who is on this list what happened when he revealed "honest, factual testimony."

Below are the links that were sent in the welcome letter before the internet was whitewashed.......You can still access this information by using the internet archive.

If you copy and paste the web address to the Internet Archive, you will be able to view the website as it once appeared. http://www.archive.org/index.php

http://healthtronics.co.nz/aboutbl.htmhttp://sotainstruments.com/http://www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/bbstuff.htmlhttp://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/cancerremissions.htmhttp://www.toolsforhealing.com/products/Product_differences.htmhttp://www.rtvc-2000.com/http://www.bettahealth.com.au/beck.htmlhttp://leadingedgenews.com/bobbeck.htmhttp://silver-lightning.com/beck/http://www.rarebooks.net/beck/http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumind.htmhttp://www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_article.htmlhttp://www.krc.com.au/blood_electrification.htmhttp://www.2012.com.au/BCD.htmlhttp://www.bioelectrifier.com/article.htmhttp://healthalternative.freeyellow.com/http://healthalternative.freeyellow.com/bobbeck.htmhttp://www.sightings.com/health/electrohealth.htm

Dotsie

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I can say it has save lives...I just can't tell you how!

> >

> >

> Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the

how

> > it feels knowing that you have saved a life.

> >

> > A true blessing.

> >

> > Russ :>)

> >

> > Hi Russ,

>

> You can't say what the protocol does, but then you state it saved

> lives. lol

>

> Is it just me or does it seem like it is not as much fun (if that's

> even the correct word) as it use to be? I use to love to

participate

> on these lists. Not anymore, tho. They have a different feel than

> they use to, and I don't know why. Guess if you can't answer

questions

> then what's the point of asking?

>

> I wish you and your family well.

>

> Gail

> ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even

to

> simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

> what it is.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi to all!

As an individual with HIV for 11 years without meds, I would love to document the effects of administering Becks protocol via blood testing for immune and viral load levels. It is ridiculous to believe or think that if I documented my results and made them public I, or anyone else, would be in trouble for anything. To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a joke! If it works than you have a moral obligation to support peoples testimony of successful treatment. But, because perhaps it does not help at all leads me to believe that companies selling these devices are hiding behind the "legal issue" card. There is no law known that if I healed myself and could properly document with physician assistance I could not yell from the highest mountain top of my revolutionary progress accomplished naturally. Big pharma or the US government is not going to prosecute, kill or

threaten me for healing myself. Thats absurd! So, if anyone has any factual evidence of this protocals effectivness, get some courage and morals to share it with the rest of the world! Peace- GT

From: sotainstruments <russ@...>Subject: Re: hard proof Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:01 AM

Actually, I can say it has save lives...I just can't tell you how!> >> > > Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the how > > it feels knowing that you have saved a life. > > > > A true blessing. > > > > Russ :>)> > > > Hi Russ,> > You can't say what the protocol does, but then you state it saved > lives. lol> > Is it just me or does it seem like it is not as much fun (if that's >

even the correct word) as it use to be? I use to love to participate > on these lists. Not anymore, tho. They have a different feel than > they use to, and I don't know why. Guess if you can't answer questions > then what's the point of asking?> > I wish you and your family well.> > Gail> ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention. ..even to > simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is > what it is.> >>

[Guest guest]

yes, you can shout success or failure from the rooftops. however, if you're in the business of selling the products attributed to the outcome then you can't... at least not in the same place where the products are marketed, or with direct references or links between the two.

i suppose it's because testimonials can be faked easily and could be seen as an indirect way of advertising a product for medical use which would put the seller in the position of making unlawful claims for an unapproved medical drug or device.

if someone got their hands on sota's collection of testimonials and published them without Sota's knowledge or permission, then Sota wouldn't be making any claims and should be safe. Sota might then not be under legal obligation to stop such publication either, but it would probably open an issue with authorities that could bankrupt Sota while defending itself. the might be prohibited from doing business while such a dispute or investigation is ongoing, and while in a legally correct position still the authorities would accomplish their desired result anyway.

this is speculation on my part.

Re: hard proof Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:01 AM

Actually, I can say it has save lives...I just can't tell you how!> >> > > Many times, this protocol has saved lives. I cannot express the how > > it feels knowing that you have saved a life. > > > > A true blessing. > > > > Russ :>)> > > > Hi Russ,> > You can't say what the protocol does, but then you state it saved > lives. lol> > Is it just me or does it seem like it is not as much fun (if that's > even the correct word) as it use to be? I use to love to participate > on these lists. Not anymore, tho. They have a different feel than > they use to, and I don't know why. Guess if you can't answer questions > then what's the point of asking?> > I wish you and your family well.> > Gail> ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention. ..even to > simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is > what it is.> >>

[Guest guest]

Maybe they are not in business anymore because of not selling enough products/services, nor had enough documented testimony to support their business. I do not know if Becks protocol works or not. I am inclined to think it can help, but have serious doubts as well.

I would think if it did actually work, it would have been proven over the past decade in this great big world of ours...

From: DotsieBoo@... <DotsieBoo@...>Subject: Re: Re: hard proof Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:01 AM

In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gterry22000 writes:

To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a joke!

GT:

If you refer to the welcome letter that is sent when you join this group, you will see that most of the links are dead. This indicates they are no longer in business and were forced to close their doors. You can ask Forrest who is on this list what happened when he revealed "honest, factual testimony."

Below are the links that were sent in the welcome letter before the internet was whitewashed. ......You can still access this information by using the internet archive.

If you copy and paste the web address to the Internet Archive, you will be able to view the website as it once appeared. http://www.archive. org/index. php

http://healthtronic s.co.nz/aboutbl. htmhttp://sotainstrume nts.com/http://www.ioa. com/~dragonfly/ bbstuff.htmlhttp://www.mrbean. net.au/~wlast/ cancerremissions .htmhttp://www.toolsfor healing.com/ products/ Product_differen ces.htmhttp://www.rtvc- 2000.com/http://www.bettahea lth.com.au/ beck.htmlhttp://leadingedgen ews.com/bobbeck. htmhttp://silver- lightning.

com/beck/http://www.rarebook s.net/beck/http://216.60. 190.54/biology/ thumind.htmhttp://www.explorep ub.com/articles/ beck/hiv_ article.htmlhttp://www.krc. com.au/blood_ electrification. htmhttp://www.2012. com.au/BCD. htmlhttp://www.bioelect rifier.com/ article.htmhttp://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/bobbeck. htmhttp://www.sighting s.com/health/ electrohealth. htm

Dotsie

The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.

[Guest guest]

OK GTerry - So document the effects!

>

> Hi to all!

> As an individual with HIV for 11 years without meds, I would love

to document the effects of administering Becks protocol via blood

testing for immune and viral load levels. It is ridiculous to believe

or think that if I documented my results and made them public I, or

anyone else, would be in trouble for anything. To hear that people or

companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a

joke! If it works than you have a moral obligation to support peoples

testimony of successful treatment. But, because perhaps it does not

help at all leads me to believe that companies selling these devices

are hiding behind the " legal issue " card. There is no law known that

if I healed myself and could properly document with physician

assistance I could not yell from the highest mountain top of my

revolutionary progress accomplished naturally. Big pharma or the US

government is not going to prosecute, kill or threaten me for healing

myself. Thats

> absurd! So, if anyone has any factual evidence of this protocals

effectivness, get some courage and morals to share it with the rest

of the world! Peace- GT    

[Guest guest]

HI GT,

I think where they got into trouble was with the 'cure' word. Can't

make that claim without clinical studies to back it up, which I don't

think they have. Even with allopathy medicine, when treating cancer,

will not use the 'cure' word until they have been cancer free for 5

or maybe even 10 years.

The thing about testimonies is there usually not over a long time

frame, as in 5-10 years. The ones I've read go something like, " I've

used the Beck protocol for such and such amount of time and have such

and such improvement. "

There are also those who have written in stating that it didn't cure

or help them. Usually, those people don't hang around long and

disappear into the background. But that fact that they do exist is

testimony of (at least for some) the protocol did not help.

Sometimes it is because they didn't do it correctly and sometimes it

is because it just didn't work for them. Great when it does save

lives (as Russ states), but equally disappointing when it does not.

That's the reality of it for some.

I've with you, tho. If it truly did cure HIV or cancer, then there

should be people shouting it from the rooftops. Where are those

people? Even if those that sell the produts can't tell, I would

think they could put others in touch with those that have been

cured. And I would think those that were cured would also be willing

to share their story with others.

There has been quite an assault on the alternative field of health.

They have to be careful in what they say. Inspite of that, there are

those that have had great success with various alternative treatments

but they are not so easy to find anymore. People just aren't talking.

For those that sell the units, the price they have to pay for sharing

what it has done for others just is not worth it. They've been put

in jail and run out of business with a great financial strain on them

and their families. That also is the reality of it.

All the consumer can do is give it a try. What do you really have to

lose anyway? When you very life is at risk, I think anything is

worth trying. Often various products do help but don't always cure.

Fot others, I have read of people curing themself of cancer and other

ailments but it is usually with a variety of methods which will also

include pharmaceutical drugs along with alternative things.

Gail

-- In , GREGG TERRY

<gterry22000@...> wrote:

>

> Maybe they are not in business anymore because of not selling

enough products/services, nor had enough documented testimony to

support their business. I do not know if Becks protocol works or not.

I am inclined to think it can help, but have serious doubts as well.

> I would think if it did actually work, it would have been proven

over the past decade in this great big world of ours...  

>

>

>

> From: DotsieBoo@... <DotsieBoo@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: hard proof

>

> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:01 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

gterry22000 writes:

> To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest,

factual testimony is a joke!                 

>  

> GT:

>  

> If you refer to the welcome letter that is sent when you join this

group, you will see that most of the links are dead.  This indicates

they are no longer in business and were forced to close their doors. 

You can ask Forrest who is on this list what happened when he

revealed " honest, factual testimony. "  

>  

> Below are the links that were sent in the welcome letter before the

internet was whitewashed. ......You can still access this information

by using the internet archive. 

>

>

>

>

> If you copy and paste the web address to the Internet Archive, you

will be able to view the website as it once appeared.

http://www.archive. org/index. php

>  

>

> http://healthtronic s.co.nz/aboutbl. htm

> http://sotainstrume nts.com/

> http://www.ioa. com/~dragonfly/ bbstuff.html

> http://www.mrbean. net.au/~wlast/ cancerremissions .htm

> http://www.toolsfor healing.com/ products/ Product_differen ces.htm

> http://www.rtvc- 2000.com/

> http://www.bettahea lth.com.au/ beck.html

> http://leadingedgen ews.com/bobbeck. htm

> http://silver- lightning. com/beck/

> http://www.rarebook s.net/beck/

> http://216.60. 190.54/biology/ thumind.htm

> http://www.explorep ub.com/articles/ beck/hiv_ article.html

> http://www.krc. com.au/blood_ electrification. htm

> http://www.2012. com.au/BCD. html

> http://www.bioelect rifier.com/ article.htm

> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/

> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/bobbeck. htm

> http://www.sighting s.com/health/ electrohealth. htm

>  

> Dotsie

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards.

AOL Music takes you there.

>

[Guest guest]

Z-fool,

I was intentionally raising a simple question in search for a logical answer.

When the time arrives that I can show a marked difference in my health I will certainly

do am independant clinical trial in conjunction with a reputable clinic/doctor willing to assist in this documentation. It is finding that person/organization with enough courage to challenge the "fear" factor brought about by Big Brother and Big Pharma. Stay tuned...GT

From: zappingfool <zappingfool@...>Subject: Re: hard proof Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 12:10 PM

OK GTerry - So document the effects! >> Hi to all!> As an individual with HIV for 11 years without meds, I would love to document the effects of administering Becks protocol via blood testing for immune and viral load levels. It is ridiculous to believe or think that if I documented my results and made them public I, or anyone else, would be in trouble for anything. To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a joke! If it works than you have a moral obligation to support peoples testimony of successful treatment. But, because perhaps it does not help at all leads me to believe that companies selling these devices are hiding behind the "legal issue" card. There is no law known that if I healed myself and could properly document with physician assistance I could not yell from the highest mountain top of my

revolutionary progress accomplished naturally. Big pharma or the US government is not going to prosecute, kill or threaten me for healing myself. Thats> absurd! So, if anyone has any factual evidence of this protocals effectivness, get some courage and morals to share it with the rest of the world! Peace- GT

[Guest guest]

Dear Gail

Thank you for your honest assessment of this issue. That was an intelligent response to what I consider a reasonable debate on this matter. Have a great weekend!

GT > > From: DotsieBoo@.. . <DotsieBoo@. ..>> Subject: Re: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: hard proof> Beck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.com> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:01 AM> > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gterry22000 writes:> To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a

joke! > > GT:> > If you refer to the welcome letter that is sent when you join this group, you will see that most of the links are dead. This indicates they are no longer in business and were forced to close their doors. You can ask Forrest who is on this list what happened when he revealed "honest, factual testimony." > > Below are the links that were sent in the welcome letter before the internet was whitewashed. ......You can still access this information by using the internet archive. > > > > > If you copy and paste the web address to the Internet Archive, you will be able to view the website as it once appeared. http://www.archive. org/index. php > > > http://healthtronic s.co.nz/aboutbl. htm> http://sotainstrume nts.com/> http://www.ioa. com/~dragonfly/ bbstuff.html> http://www.mrbean. net.au/~wlast/ cancerremissions .htm> http://www.toolsfor healing.com/ products/ Product_differen ces.htm> http://www.rtvc- 2000.com/> http://www.bettahea lth.com.au/ beck.html> http://leadingedgen

ews.com/bobbeck. htm> http://silver- lightning. com/beck/> http://www.rarebook s.net/beck/> http://216.60. 190.54/biology/ thumind.htm> http://www.explorep ub.com/articles/ beck/hiv_ article.html> http://www.krc. com.au/blood_ electrification. htm> http://www.2012. com.au/BCD. html> http://www.bioelect rifier.com/ article.htm> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/bobbeck. htm> http://www.sighting s.com/health/ electrohealth. htm> > Dotsie> > > > > > > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.>

[Guest guest]

By all means, document it. However leave the doctors name out of it. He could well lose his license just for helping. Especially now, with the national health database being set up (part of the economic stimulous bill) to further inhibit doctors from truly working for the patients benefit.

Bernie

Re: hard proof

OK GTerry - So document the effects! >> Hi to all!> As an individual with HIV for 11 years without meds, I would love to document the effects of administering Becks protocol via blood testing for immune and viral load levels. It is ridiculous to believe or think that if I documented my results and made them public I, or anyone else, would be in trouble for anything. To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest, factual testimony is a joke! If it works than you have a moral obligation to support peoples testimony of successful treatment. But, because perhaps it does not help at all leads me to believe that companies selling these devices are hiding behind the "legal issue" card. There is no law known that if I healed myself and could properly document with physician assistance I could not yell from the highest mountain top of my revolutionary progress accomplished naturally. Big pharma or the US government is not going to prosecute, kill or threaten me for healing myself. Thats> absurd! So, if anyone has any factual evidence of this protocals effectivness, get some courage and morals to share it with the rest of the world! Peace- GT

[Guest guest]

Funny how a religious comment can come up in a thread of " hard

proof " . I left the symphonichealth group after calling, or rather culling, a

similar comment from you Gail. tsk

Duncan

> Gail

> ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even

to

> simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

> what it is.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Sorry if I've offended you in some way. I honestly don't remember the

comment you are referring to as I can't even remember being on the

symphonichealth list. Perhaps it was on another list? Anyway, I meant

no offense and apologize if I did offend you. Other than that I don't

know what else I can do. If you would like to refresh my memory, I

would love to make amends with you if possible. If so, perhaps

privately would be more appropriate. Life has enough hardships to face

without offenses on these lists.

The comment I made now was in regard to Russ's comment about how he was

only able to stay in business due to Divine intervention.

Wonder why you didn't find his comment offensive....hummmmm.

Any

-- In , " Duncan Crow "

<duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> Funny how a religious comment can come up in a thread of " hard

> proof " . I left the symphonichealth group after calling, or rather

culling, a

> similar comment from you Gail. tsk

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > Gail

> > ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even

> to

> > simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

> > what it is.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Eh,

For things to run smoothly, other things need to let slide.

Oversensitivity is a hand grenade.

Chuck

Jesus saves. Allah forgives. Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich

On 2/13/2009 3:36:44 PM, wanda85929 (wanda85929@...) wrote:

> Hi Duncan,

>

> Sorry if I've offended you in some way. I honestly don't remember the

> comment you are referring to as I

> can't even remember being on the

> symphonichealth list. Perhaps it was on another list? Anyway, I meant

> no offense and apologize if I did offend you. Other than that I don't

>

> know what else I can do. If you would like to refresh my memory, I

> would love to make amends with you if possible. If so, perhaps

> privately would be more appropriate. Life has enough hardships to face

> without offenses on these lists.

>

> The comment I made now was in regard to

> Russ's comment about how he was

> only able to stay in business due to Divine intervention.

>

> Wonder why you didn't

> find his comment offensive....hummmmm.

>

> Any

>

> -- In , " Duncan Crow "

> <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> >

> > Funny how a religious comment can come up in a thread of

> " hard

> > proof " . I left the symphonichealth group after calling, or

> rather

> culling, a

> > similar comment from you Gail. tsk

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

> > > Gail

> > > ps. Nobody ca

[Guest guest]

I would say a " spiritual " comment as opposed to a religious one...

>

> Funny how a religious comment can come up in a thread of " hard

> proof " . I left the symphonichealth group after calling, or rather

culling, a

> similar comment from you Gail. tsk

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > Gail

> > ps. Nobody can do anyting anyway without Divine intervention...even

> to

> > simply take a breath. Sometimes, tho, they just don't know that is

> > what it is.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

99% of our business is by way of word-of-mouth. We don't advertise,

and our websites are stipped down (even key-word searches).

It's simple. If the products work, people tell other people and we

are here to serve them the best we can. If the products do NOT work,

people stop telling other people and the interest in these products

drop off rapidly. If they did not work, we would not have been in

business today, let alone for over 13 years. People tell us our

products work - verbally, and by written testimonials. Sometimes the

products do not work on a particular person for whatever reason. e

are told those testimonials as well and document them thoroghly. I

have to say, these products work for at least 95% of the people using

them. We get very, very few returns if any. One day these stories

will be available for all to read. I do believe that day will come.

We do not fully understand " why " the products work, as stringent

research needs to be done to get the data. We just know the products

have helped many, many folks. All of us at SOTA are users of our own

products! The work for us. There is no one product that is for

everyone as we are all so very different. That is why we have diverse

products based on light, magnetism, ozone, and electricity. There is

no " one vitamin " that works for everyone!

Russ :>)

>

> From: DotsieBoo@... <DotsieBoo@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: hard proof

>

> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:01 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

gterry22000 writes:

> To hear that people or companies are scared of revealing honest,

factual testimony is a joke!                 

>  

> GT:

>  

> If you refer to the welcome letter that is sent when you join this

group, you will see that most of the links are dead.  This indicates

they are no longer in business and were forced to close their doors. 

You can ask Forrest who is on this list what happened when he

revealed " honest, factual testimony. "  

>  

> Below are the links that were sent in the welcome letter before the

internet was whitewashed. ......You can still access this information

by using the internet archive. 

>

>

>

>

> If you copy and paste the web address to the Internet Archive, you

will be able to view the website as it once appeared.

http://www.archive. org/index. php

>  

>

> http://healthtronic s.co.nz/aboutbl. htm

> http://sotainstrume nts.com/

> http://www.ioa. com/~dragonfly/ bbstuff.html

> http://www.mrbean. net.au/~wlast/ cancerremissions .htm

> http://www.toolsfor healing.com/ products/ Product_differen ces.htm

> http://www.rtvc- 2000.com/

> http://www.bettahea lth.com.au/ beck.html

> http://leadingedgen ews.com/bobbeck. htm

> http://silver- lightning. com/beck/

> http://www.rarebook s.net/beck/

> http://216.60. 190.54/biology/ thumind.htm

> http://www.explorep ub.com/articles/ beck/hiv_ article.html

> http://www.krc. com.au/blood_ electrification. htm

> http://www.2012. com.au/BCD. html

> http://www.bioelect rifier.com/ article.htm

> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/

> http://healthaltern ative.freeyellow .com/bobbeck. htm

> http://www.sighting s.com/health/ electrohealth. htm

>  

> Dotsie

>

>

>  

>

>

>

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