Re: Brain Tuner questions: why not part of Beck Protocol ?; chronic depression

August 25, 2004

Hi Bob

I think it would be very interesting to see what Russ Tulage or Bil

Green has to say

about the frequency theory and the use of DC above the neck of the human

body or in fact the use of DC at all anywhere in the human Body..I think

that

it would be interesting to know exactly what to expect I haven't seen

any comments from Russ..

...Dr Beck did a large amount of research into this subject and

this is where

these warnings were given.

F-Scans too must be carefull not to use positive offset dc

in their waveforms above the neck..It can occur in using the NE555 timer

chip in the astable mode

to provide a positive dc offset..The solution is to use a coupling

capacitor to

block the dc component of the waveform..Dr s Zapper was used in

this mode

but the DC component was so low due to the low operating voltage that it

was not a

noticable effect.

A.R

baby_grand wrote:

>Yes, it does, thanks, Russ. I'm thinking of trying the BT on teeth,

>sinuses, etc. where a more direct approach to the microbe would seem

>workable. I've used DC to do that, and it does work, so it's a

>matter of refinement now.

>

>Alvin's mentioned, and I think very rightly, the problems in using

>DC above the neck mentioned by Beck. The BT should blow away all

>concern. 4 hertz above the neck would seem to be to also be a bit

>risky. The BT, though would seem an obvious next step to try on

>local things like throat, etc. The pulser never does anything for

>me that way, only application of current.

>

>bG

>

>>So much hidden information out there!

>>Hope this helps,

>>Russ ;>)

>>

>

August 25, 2004

Hi Bob

Yes I agree.... but the idea in any protocol is " to do no harm " ...If the

DC concept works well and does no harm to body cells..I think it is

a good and inexpensive idea..especially for poor people and people

in Africa etc..There is no doubt that DC will kill Bacteria, Microbes and

viruses..The current must be limited to a low value of 50 to 100 microamps

maybe up to 1 miliamp in some cases..However the Brain, Liver and kidneys

are very delicate organs and should be tried with caution...especially

the size of the

electrodes used which can spread out the current flow..I read the full

version patent of the

kalii lyman experiments which can be found on the tools for healing web

site and the

says that they used alternating current in their tests..You will find it

on the first page

of the patent paper.

A.R

baby_grand wrote:

>The type of current is certainly optional, unless one has no funds,

>then a simple battery is all you have: I think you should use that

>rather than dying.

>

>So, for the many who may need this in Africa and elsewhere, I don't

>want to be the one discouraging them from living. Devices can't be

>gotten to them, they will have to make their own, and they don't

>have Radio Shack, or funds to buy them with. They may have a car or

>truck somewhere they can connect up to, that's about it. If they

>understand the simple dc method, they can at least get well enough

>to work on getting more sophisticated units. So far, there's no AC

>unit simple enough for anyone to make it and use it over in poor

>nations.

>

>Russ did agree with me there, sure he still would.

>

>b

>

>>>

>>>>So much hidden information out there!

>>>>Hope this helps,

>>>>Russ ;>)

>>>>

>>>

August 25, 2004

Hi Russ

Thanks for the clarification..This is exactly what I was saying on

that subject.Any amount of direct current applied to the body for

a length of time will cause polarization of the cells..The frequency

band starts

at 0 and goes up in the GHZ or higher..The fast rise time biphasic

waveform is generated

in a generator chip ......as is ac 60 cycle power generated by a

generator which can

be excited by a dc field coil as required..I am presently building and

calibrating

a brain tuner today which uses a 42TM006 transformer from Mouser..It has no

dc component at the output but a well mixed output waveform into a 1300

ohm test load.

Works well .. Dr Beck was very specific about using direct current as he

did a lot of research

on the subject..If you drop below zero in the frequency band you have

all dc component

applied to the body..not a good Idea..Ionic accumulation is a real

threat if the time delay

of the current flow is in one direction in the bodys celular structure

and caution is required

A pulsed biphasic square wave with sharp and fast rise time is the

solution..

AR

sotainstruments wrote:

>Hi All,

>Both myself and Dr. Beck agreed that it is important to reduce any DC

>to zero or negligible amounts. Why? As noted DC creates a

>polarization effect which drives ions to one electrode or the other.

>This is the same effect as electroplating or electrolysis. In the

>body it is known as electrophoresis (sp.?). The Bio-Tuner has an AC

>coupling transformer on its output wich prevents DC from passing

>through 100%. On the Silver Pulser (blood cleaner) the output is a bi-

>phasic AC output. The polarity switches every 1/4 second. The lower

>the frequency the higher chance of DC polarization. However, Dr.

>Beck's research showed the 4 Hz output did not cause any significant

>polarization as there was not enough time for a build-up of ions to

>occur before the polarity switched over. I would say that 1-2 seconds

>on one polarity would be about the maximum I would suggest.

>Now, Dr. Hulda 's Zapper has a pulsed DC output. I can see that

>with would cause some electrophoresis, but the small amount that it

>would cause is offset by the positive benefits of the Zapper. Dr.

> found that a negative pulsed DC output was detrimental to her

>protocol.

>Hope this helps!

>Russ :>)

>

>>>

>>>>So much hidden information out there!

>>>>Hope this helps,

>>>>Russ ;>)

>>>>

>>>

September 19, 2004

Actually Dr. Beck did indeed include the Bio (Brain)-Tuner as part of

the protocol. He did in fact use it to try and undo the " death wish " ,

depression, etc., while people were on the other units. It has not

been widely mentioned because of governments squelching what can be

said about the protocol. It is one reason why we manufacture the Bio-

Tuner: it is a perfect compliment to the Beck Protocol as we know it.

So much hidden information out there!

Hope this helps,

Russ ;>)

> Hello !

> I want to know why Dr.Beck did not include the Brain Tuner (or Bio

> Tuner ) into his own Protocol ????

>

> Why didn`t he use or try it against the so-called " death wish " as

> there

> where problems with depression when people used the blood pulser

and

> the magpulser etc....... ???

>

> Wasn´t it working or wasn´t he satisfied with the effect ????

>

> Is it helping against chronic depression ???

September 19, 2004

Yes, it does, thanks, Russ. I'm thinking of trying the BT on teeth,

sinuses, etc. where a more direct approach to the microbe would seem

workable. I've used DC to do that, and it does work, so it's a

matter of refinement now.

Alvin's mentioned, and I think very rightly, the problems in using

DC above the neck mentioned by Beck. The BT should blow away all

concern. 4 hertz above the neck would seem to be to also be a bit

risky. The BT, though would seem an obvious next step to try on

local things like throat, etc. The pulser never does anything for

me that way, only application of current.

bG

> So much hidden information out there!

> Hope this helps,

> Russ ;>)

September 19, 2004

The type of current is certainly optional, unless one has no funds,

then a simple battery is all you have: I think you should use that

rather than dying.

So, for the many who may need this in Africa and elsewhere, I don't

want to be the one discouraging them from living. Devices can't be

gotten to them, they will have to make their own, and they don't

have Radio Shack, or funds to buy them with. They may have a car or

truck somewhere they can connect up to, that's about it. If they

understand the simple dc method, they can at least get well enough

to work on getting more sophisticated units. So far, there's no AC

unit simple enough for anyone to make it and use it over in poor

nations.

Russ did agree with me there, sure he still would.

b

> >

> >>So much hidden information out there!

> >>Hope this helps,

> >>Russ ;>)

> >>

> >

September 20, 2004

Hi All,

Both myself and Dr. Beck agreed that it is important to reduce any DC

to zero or negligible amounts. Why? As noted DC creates a

polarization effect which drives ions to one electrode or the other.

This is the same effect as electroplating or electrolysis. In the

body it is known as electrophoresis (sp.?). The Bio-Tuner has an AC

coupling transformer on its output wich prevents DC from passing

through 100%. On the Silver Pulser (blood cleaner) the output is a bi-

phasic AC output. The polarity switches every 1/4 second. The lower

the frequency the higher chance of DC polarization. However, Dr.

Beck's research showed the 4 Hz output did not cause any significant

polarization as there was not enough time for a build-up of ions to

occur before the polarity switched over. I would say that 1-2 seconds

on one polarity would be about the maximum I would suggest.

Now, Dr. Hulda 's Zapper has a pulsed DC output. I can see that

with would cause some electrophoresis, but the small amount that it

would cause is offset by the positive benefits of the Zapper. Dr.

found that a negative pulsed DC output was detrimental to her

protocol.

Hope this helps!

Russ :>)

> >

> >>So much hidden information out there!

> >>Hope this helps,

> >>Russ ;>)

> >>

> >

September 20, 2004

good. I think the dc can be used cautiously, too. We haven't seen

harm enough to warrant abandoning it.

It's the current-density not the total amt of current. kaali-lyman

is always quoted at the total current, as if their tiny vial of

virus was the same as the body, but this is not equivalent.

The density at 100ua in their test apparatus was 7.7ua per sq mm

(which they referred to). It reduced the virus 94% in 3 minutes.

100ua applied to the human body would dilute to a much lower density

(625 mm per sq inch) and take longer and go slower, which really is

what we want, anyway.

In practice, the damage-freezone we are finding extends from a total

of 100ua-500ua.

bob

> >>>

> >>>>So much hidden information out there!

> >>>>Hope this helps,

> >>>>Russ ;>)

> >>>>

> >>>

September 21, 2004

>I would say that 1-2 seconds

> on one polarity would be about the maximum I would suggest

This would seem to imply that the Godzilla's 30 second setting might

be unsafe - or is this strictly in reference to using (DC) current

above the neck?

> > >

> > >>So much hidden information out there!

> > >>Hope this helps,

> > >>Russ ;>)

> > >>

> > >

September 22, 2004

this isn't apples to apples. safe and ______? If it's the same

effectiveness using 1/30 as 4 hertz, I say use 4 hertz. If it works,

stick with it. No question. If you can afford 4 hertz AND it

works, go for it.

But does it? Some have found 4 hertz ok (daddybob). But, others

(Justerl) found DC got the hep-c numbers 99 percent lower in 12

weeks than when they had been using 4 hertz for a whole year...your

call, your responsibility to find what works. It may vary and you

have to decide the benefits vs the risks you're willing to take.

Safe from ionization might also mean ionization isn't happening

enough to reduce the RNA in virus. Ionization will destroy RNA.

Kaali said in his patent he used AC. In the lab research, dc. This

could be because DC in lab is not going to hurt things it might hurt

in the body. And in the body, AC might be safer, stands to reason.

On the other hand, he said ionization might be the reason this

works, so you could lose effects if you don't allow it to run long

enough to ionize the microbes a bit. Neither he nor I know that

answer.

bG

> > > >

> > > >>So much hidden information out there!

> > > >>Hope this helps,

> > > >>Russ ;>)

> > > >>

> > > >

September 23, 2004

> Hi Russ

> Works well .. Dr Beck was very specific about using direct current

> as he did a lot of research on the subject..If you drop below zero

> in the frequency band you have all dc component

> applied to the body..not a good Idea..Ionic accumulation is a real

> threat if the time delay

> of the current flow is in one direction in the bodys celular

> structure

> and caution is required

> A pulsed biphasic square wave with sharp and fast rise time is the

> solution..

> AR

>

I have had my Godzilla set to change polarity every thirty seconds

when I've used it. Appears you are saying one ought not to do this.

I am aware cells may absorb things more easily as a result of

electricity; is there another problem the DC polarization can cause?

Best regards,

Theron

September 23, 2004

Thanks Bob for the information! As you know, I have been using the

30 second setting on my Godzilla(s) as part of my treatment protocol

and frankly I would hate to give it up. I remember you posting

something (on your group) about a person getting improved results

when they went to the 30 second speed after months of running at 4Hz

(sorry, I can't remember the details). That information led me to

start using the 30 second speed when running my Godzilla. I also

think (but cannot prove) the 30 second speed to be more effective

when using the pads, at least based on my own results.

> > > > >

> > > > >>So much hidden information out there!

> > > > >>Hope this helps,

> > > > >>Russ ;>)

> > > > >>

> > > > >

September 23, 2004

I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try the 30 Sec

setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get burned?

Re: Brain Tuner questions: why not

part of " Beck Protocol " ?; chronic depression

>

> Thanks Bob for the information! As you know, I have been using the

> 30 second setting on my Godzilla(s) as part of my treatment protocol

> and frankly I would hate to give it up. I remember you posting

> something (on your group) about a person getting improved results

> when they went to the 30 second speed after months of running at 4Hz

> (sorry, I can't remember the details). That information led me to

> start using the 30 second speed when running my Godzilla. I also

> think (but cannot prove) the 30 second speed to be more effective

> when using the pads, at least based on my own results.

>

>> > > > >

>> > > > >>So much hidden information out there!

>> > > > >>Hope this helps,

>> > > > >>Russ ;>)

>> > > > >>

>> > > > >

September 23, 2004

If you turn it up too high for too long, yes, otherwise no.

bG

> I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try the 30

Sec

> setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get burned?

>

September 23, 2004

yeah, well I think 30 seconds switching should handle most of the

issues. But that's just my take on it. We saw a hep-c patient go

like this:

4 hertz: 1 year 2,200,000 lowest could get it, stable at that level

for 1 year using 4 hertz an hour a day

godzilla manual device switched every 5 min: 12 weeks, 14,000 using

an hour a day.

that's 99.7% reduction over the 4 hertz one year treatmen-- with

godzilla.

It's one good reason I have to stay loyal to what I found originally

when I didn't know how to build a Beck or AC 4 hertz device, I just

build godzilla with some batteries in a box.

Measure your results before you dump this from some superior

persons's say-so. Test it yourself and see. IF you can get the

same results more safely with greater confidence from a commercial

Beck 4 hertz or other device, you go for it, I want you to do that

and be well, safe and happy. IF your results begin to dry up, for

heaven's sakes return to what worked.

Bob

> Thanks Bob for the information! As you know, I have been using the

> 30 second setting on my Godzilla(s) as part of my treatment

protocol

> and frankly I would hate to give it up. I remember you posting

> something (on your group) about a person getting improved results

> when they went to the 30 second speed after months of running at

4Hz

>have been removed]

September 23, 2004

I'm trying the 30sec setting and I don't feel anything, hand doesn't bounce

around like at 4Hz

Re: Brain Tuner questions: why not

part of " Beck Protocol " ?; chronic depression

> If you turn it up too high for too long, yes, otherwise no.

>

> bG

>

>> I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try the 30

> Sec

>> setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get burned?

>>

>

September 24, 2004

Nerve feelings are irrelevant and misleading, that's why a meter in

the unit is essential.

> >> I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try the

30

> > Sec

> >> setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get burned?

> >>

> >

September 24, 2004

yes my Godzilla has a meter that goes up to 2.5 I believe. Today I have 2

red marks on my wrist even though I didn't feel much last night.

Ed

Re: Brain Tuner questions: why not

part of " Beck Protocol " ?; chronic depression

>

> Nerve feelings are irrelevant and misleading, that's why a meter in

> the unit is essential.

>

>> >> I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try the

> 30

>> > Sec

>> >> setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get burned?

>> >>

>> >

September 25, 2004

at a level of current or length of time that's different for

different people, current tends to find a conductive spot, more of

it goes there, and it can do damage to the skin. when damage

occurs, it makes the damaged area even MORE conductive. our group

found that .2-.5mA is the range that usually does no damage. But

skin can be a bit tender if left run too long at this rate. The

damage usually heals up, but don't keep doing it if damaged, let it

fully heal. It varies by person. I've known people who used 1.0mA

for an hour or more and not even redness. Others get red marks or

soreness. You have to test carefully, not just " test " .

> >> >> I've only tried the 4Hz setting on my Godzilla. I will try

the

> > 30

> >> > Sec

> >> >> setting and see what happens. Think my wrist will get

burned?

> >> >>

> >> >

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