Re: Bob Beck Zapper

[Guest guest]

This is a quotation from Bob Beck paper, Take back your powerâ€, page 10:

„The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly

effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when correctly

applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms of hands,

soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens, fungi,

parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign lifeforms and

alien invaders and their byproducts. This should never be confused with Royal

Rife or Hulda technology. Effective results are found to require a minimum

of 27 Volts under load with low impedance output which must deliver up to

several milliamperes measurable current into skin to produce the required 50 to

100 microamperes internally through blood after the inevitable series resistance

losses through vessel walls plus several layers of tissue.

Electrical currents in blood can be measured with an ac microamp meter by IR

drop using partially insulated hypodermic needles inserted ~6 inches apart into

the same artery. ’s “syncro zap " running at her standard 30 khz

(considered many octaves too high to be effective) actually measures only ~2.6V

peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms. This is an order of magnitude to

low to have any real effect beyond placebo. The syncro-zapper's current is

unmeasurable directly in the blood and physically cannot produce the essential

50 to

100 uA required internally. This may only mask readouts of parasite presence

radionically. Unfortunately the live bugs remain undisturbed and are still there

and will still be observed in stool and microscopic blood diagnosisâ€.

So here Bob explains the main difference between his and Hulda technology.

Also, watch those „Beck-like†devices manufacturers who claim, that several

miliamperes (as Bob suggested) is way to high and you need ONLY few hundreds od

microamperes (an order of magnitude lower). According to Bob, they fall into the

same category as !

> > >

> > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier and have

a few

> > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany but I am

having a

> > > hard time choosing.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in zapping

The

> > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to most of the

> > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand on where

to

> > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their zapper:

> > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > >  

> > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > >

> > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is appreciated

and

> > > valued.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Dean

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

it does not neutralize all pathogens everywhere, just in the blood. that can be

useful, but for things like herpes, colds, local infections, HIV in gut, Hep-c

in liver cells, direct application to the area worked in our group's research

while blood electrification did not.

bG

> > > >

> > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier and

have a few

> > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany but I am

having a

> > > > hard time choosing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in

zapping The

> > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to most of

the

> > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand on

where to

> > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their zapper:

> > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > >  

> > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > >

> > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > valued.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Dean

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I thought we discussed Beck " zapper " or more correctly, Beck blood cleanser, and

no one said it neutralizes stuff " everywhere " . There is magnetic pulser though.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier and

have a few

> > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany but I am

having a

> > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in

zapping The

> > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to most of

the

> > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand on

where to

> > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their

zapper:

> > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > >  

> > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > valued.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dean

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have found that direct application works good using DC at much less then 1ma.

My skin will turn red under the electrode if left there for less then 1/2 hour.

As had been said by someone before, several milliamps can be very uncomfortable,

so most people will have to turn down the voltage applied. I think that Bob Beck

used 27 volts because he thought it would be easy to wire three 9 volt batteries

in series for safe operation and allowing for sufficient current level dependant

of skin conductivity and electrodes. I am sure that 2 to 3ma is better than 1 if

you can tolerate it. I believe his suggestions supported by his own research was

also geared to make it as easy as possible for people to build their own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier and

have a few

> > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany but I am

having a

> > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in

zapping The

> > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to most of

the

> > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand on

where to

> > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their

zapper:

> > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > >  

> > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > valued.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dean

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

.... " The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly

effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when correctly

applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms of hands,

soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens, fungi,

parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign lifeforms and

alien invaders and their byproducts.... "

This is not true, it turned out.

The magnetic pulser also did not work on these local infections such as herpes

and colds. It does not create enough total current to do that. It had been

conceived originally as a means to move lymph in bed-ridden people deprived of

motion whose lymph could store HIV. It was believed it would move the lymph flow

into the bloodstream and carry HIV into blood where it could be treated with the

blood electrifier. Trouble is, HIV infects the lymph cells themselves, and does

not just sit there trapped, and can't be moved that easily. Applying current

directly to the lymph nodes would work, but it's still remaining to find a good

way to do that. And we have little/no cooperation from the HIV community to

work with us to develop anything more effective.

bG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier

and have a few

> > > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany but I

am having a

> > > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in

zapping The

> > > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to most

of the

> > > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand on

where to

> > > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their

zapper:

> > > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > > valued.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dean

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is this not true in your opinion for blood itself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a zapper/electrifier

and have a few

> > > > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany

but I am having a

> > > > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing in

zapping The

> > > > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to

most of the

> > > > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a hand

on where to

> > > > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their

zapper:

> > > > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > > > valued.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dean

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

if germ is in blood or in tissue, either way, it needs a critical amount of

" total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time. The

magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot of

current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So it

does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

In blood, the beck blood electrifier does work on germs flowing along under the

electrodes, in the path of the current. Once they leave it, they cease to be so

affected.

Germs in organs such as sinuses do not get any current unless you apply

directly. Blood flow in sinuses is almost non-existent, they are dumping bins

and get very little blood. So infections there persist a long time, decades in

fact. It is this type of germ reservoir that a direct application gets rid of

right away, in my experience over the last 9 years with my own and the list of

now some 4200 members all over the world.

bG

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a

zapper/electrifier and have a few

> > > > > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany

but I am having a

> > > > > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing

in zapping The

> > > > > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to

most of the

> > > > > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a

hand on where to

> > > > > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose their

zapper:

> > > > > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > > > > valued.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dean

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

//in all measurements, the research at Einstein College of medicine lab study of

HIV gave the guidelines which inspired Beck to design and do his own work. This

is the known-model. There are other theories, like harmonic frequencies, etc,

which are not in this model. The only thing we know for sure did inactivate HIV

was a certain amount of DC current.

Any device used must deliver, therefore, this amount for it to get the effect

specified in the model. Any less and we expect to not see the results, and

greater at some point it could do harm to healthy cells.

The mechanics of getting the right current to the germ involve two things:

1. germ is in the actual path of the current (blood vs sinus, or mucous

membranes, or intestinal walls, liver cells, etc)

2. the current runs at sustained levels for at least several minutes at safe

levels. A burst or series of bursts of milliseconds duration will not

accumulate enough charge on the microbes to achieve the desired inactivation or

death of them.

If you start with the above assumptions you can find strategies to get this

done. Beck did it for blood-borne illnesses, he found something like a cure for

Malaria this way. He thought HIV was blood-borne, then realized it hid in

lymph, but did not find out about the biggest location, the Peyer's patches in

the small intestine near the connection with the large intestine. Nor the

thymus gland, and possible other HIV hideouts. Had he fully known this info,

which was hidden from science until 2006, years after Beck passed away, he

certainly would have specified other strategies in order to achieve the full

results.

For us to stick with only what he did while alive, with only the knowledge he

had, and ignore the actual findings of HIV locations, would have made him

furious. It puts the failures at his door, when in fact he was onto it, but did

not live to see the full picture and get the chance to update the protocol to

take it into account.

bG

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Good day everyone, I am planning to purchase a

zapper/electrifier and have a few

> > > > > > > > > vendors on the list Sota, Mr. Forrest, MiniZap from Germany

but I am having a

> > > > > > > > > hard time choosing.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been reading over a comprehensive website specializing

in zapping The

> > > > > > > > > Ultimate Zapper http://zap.intergate.ca/  with comparisons to

most of the

> > > > > > > > > zappers on the market and was wondering if anyone can lend a

hand on where to

> > > > > > > > > invest on my soon to be first zapper.

> > > > > > > > > These are the claims that are made regarding why to choose

their zapper:

> > > > > > > > > 1. near 100% DUTY CYCLE

> > > > > > > > > 2. STABILIZED WAVE

> > > > > > > > > 3. CONSTANT HIGH VOLTAGE

> > > > > > > > > 4. PURE SQUARE WAVE

> > > > > > > > > 5. CONSTANT HIGH CONDUCTIVITY

> > > > > > > > > 6. STAINLESS STEEL FOOTPADS (optional)

> > > > > > > > > 7. LOW FREQUENCY

> > > > > > > > > 8. SUPERIOR HARMONICS

> > > > > > > > > 9. BLOOD PURIFICATION

> > > > > > > > > 10. ELECTROPORATION

> > > > > > > > > 11. AURA EXPANSION

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > Market Comparison chart http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any help on sifting through to make an intelligent decision is

appreciated and

> > > > > > > > > valued.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dean

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your info, now I have some specific questions:

Having my own built, well-operating, 27V/4Hz portable Beck BE is it better for

me to use it for let's say sinuses electrification (electrodes on the face) or

should I use single 9V battery (or Godzilla device)?

How these two options (4Hz square wave vs pure DC) compare in:

1. general efficiency (killing bad stuff)

2. safety (electrolysis etc.)?

>

> //in all measurements, the research at Einstein College of medicine lab study

of HIV gave the guidelines which inspired Beck to design and do his own work.

This is the known-model. There are other theories, like harmonic frequencies,

etc, which are not in this model. The only thing we know for sure did

inactivate HIV was a certain amount of DC current.

>

> Any device used must deliver, therefore, this amount for it to get the effect

specified in the model. Any less and we expect to not see the results, and

greater at some point it could do harm to healthy cells.

>

> The mechanics of getting the right current to the germ involve two things:

> 1. germ is in the actual path of the current (blood vs sinus, or mucous

membranes, or intestinal walls, liver cells, etc)

>

> 2. the current runs at sustained levels for at least several minutes at safe

levels. A burst or series of bursts of milliseconds duration will not

accumulate enough charge on the microbes to achieve the desired inactivation or

death of them.

>

> If you start with the above assumptions you can find strategies to get this

done. Beck did it for blood-borne illnesses, he found something like a cure for

Malaria this way. He thought HIV was blood-borne, then realized it hid in

lymph, but did not find out about the biggest location, the Peyer's patches in

the small intestine near the connection with the large intestine. Nor the

thymus gland, and possible other HIV hideouts. Had he fully known this info,

which was hidden from science until 2006, years after Beck passed away, he

certainly would have specified other strategies in order to achieve the full

results.

>

> For us to stick with only what he did while alive, with only the knowledge he

had, and ignore the actual findings of HIV locations, would have made him

furious. It puts the failures at his door, when in fact he was onto it, but did

not live to see the full picture and get the chance to update the protocol to

take it into account.

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

Do you have any data supporting inefficiency of Magnetic Pulser?

This is what Bob said about it:

" Latent I germinating HIV reservoirs in the body’s lymph or other tissue may

theoretically be neutralized with a second and separate device by the strategy

of generating a very high intensity (-10 kilogauss) short duration (-10 mS)

magnetic pulse of ~20 joules by discharging a modified strobe light's capacitor

through an applicator coil held at body points over lymph nodes, thymus,

kidneys, adenoids, and other possible internal sites of latent infection (see

pg. 8). By the physics of Eddy current I back emf “transformer actionâ€

(Lenz' law) the desired criteria of minimum current induced through infected

tissue on the order of 100 mA to 1 mA should be readily attained. Several pulses

repeated at each site may insure a reliable “overkill†for successful

disease neutralization "

Do you think Bob was wrong about all this? SUrely he was no doctor, but as a PhD

physicitst he knew what amount of current could be readily attained?

>

> if germ is in blood or in tissue, either way, it needs a critical amount of

" total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time. The

magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot of

current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So it

does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

[Guest guest]

The only thing that Bob did get incorrect was the gauss output figures. He was

basing the Gauss output on a calculated value, as no one had yet tested the

Gauss output of the camera strobe circuit. I was the first one to do actual

Gauss measurements, and the camera strobe outputted about 2,500 Gauss.

I did an experiment where I pulsed a loop of wire with a 2,000 OHM resistor in

series to replicate the skin resistance. With our mag pulser I measured 75uA

current flowing through the wire. This showed me that the mag pulser did indeed

induce the required 50-100uA current. If the resistance gets lower, even more

current would flow.

Cool, huh?

> >

> > if germ is in blood or in tissue, either way, it needs a critical amount of

" total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time. The

magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot of

current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So it

does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

>

[Guest guest]

Escept for the mycotoxins I believe this statement to be mostly true as it

relates to pathogens circulating in the blood. Of course, if the pathogen is

camped out in body tissues then it needs to be attacked directly there.

>it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens, fungi,

parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign lifeforms and

alien invaders and their byproducts

[Guest guest]

I have one version of the magpulser with a short coil wound flat, maybe 20 feet

in length. This results in a very short pulse of less than 100usec. My muscles

twitch when I apply this coil. The other is a typical coil which I feel no

muscles twitches, but of course has a much longer pulse output.

I can't tell you which is better. Probably the question would be, do you need

longer current duration through the parasite to affect it more. Has anyone

studied the duration of the current and it affects?

> > >

> > > if germ is in blood or in tissue, either way, it needs a critical amount

of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time.

The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot

of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So

it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

How is it powered? What voltage do the caps get charged to? Do you use an SCR?

Size of caps?

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of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time.

The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot

of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So

it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

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I charge the cap to 320 volts, actually I have my old design in the files

section under JM Designs.

One thing that I noticed when I was using the flat spiral coil over my sinus

cavities was an improvement in vision. I later learned that the astigmatism I

had since 12 years old in both eyes went away. Note that it hasn't done anything

to get me off reading glasses at age 58. My Daughter also reported better vision

at 35 years old, but didn't elaborate if her astigmatism had gotten better.

I couldn't say whether the larger coil would have the same effect or not.

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> > > > > if germ is in blood or in tissue, either way, it needs a critical

amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

One thing I forgot to mention is that instead of using an electrolytic C3

capacitor, use an AC capacitor. I replaced it with two 40uf capacitors in

parallel and it ran cool unlike the electrolytic that ran hot.

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amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

, looks like the thing which makes your unit unique is the coil. I never

heard of mag pulser which causes muscle twitch, that must be really strong.

From basic principle of electromagnetism: if you have the same charge to be

relieved - the shorter time, the better (stronger impulse). Longer DC current

does nothing good for magnetic field, it only heats the coil.

Well, I built my coil from 14AWG wire a little bigger and heavier than average

I've seen on photos from different people. Now I think that maybe this was a

mistake. My coil gets hot pretty fast (5 minutes of autopulsing 0.5-1Hz). No

muscle twiching ;-)

Would you please give more details about your " flat " coil, pictures?

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amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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first the note " 100mA to 1mA " looks like a misprint. 100mA is fairly lethal.

Maybe it should read .100mA-1.0mA?

Anyway, the range of current from the pulser is not the issue, it's the duration

of pulses. Several pulses would add up to about 1/1000th of a second total

duration. The study showed that you need 3-6 minutes at the required current

levels, which is many thousands of times more total current.

The second evidence is the reports from people on my group, and from my own

personal experience with self and others close to me, that the magnetic pulser

did not disable cold or flu virus, no matter how many times it was applied.

This was the SOTA magnetic pulser, certainly approved by Beck.

Of course you (or anyone) may try this out for yourselves, it is very easy for

you to demonstrate.

There would be little point to using DC current devices, going to trouble of

building these, educating people, etc that we have researched the last 9 years

on , if a simple magnetic pulser would have done the

same thing. But it does not, in my experience. Has anyone on this group used

it reliably for, say a cold?

bG

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" total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time. The

magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot of

current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So it

does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

There is something I do not understand. This is the group for Beck blood

electrification, the key term being " Beck " , as there are many other

electrification groups like your own.

If you claim, that magnetic pulser does not work, if you claim that 4Hz blood

purifier does not work and you need DC current (40sec between polarity changes

or more) then...

.... what are you doing here?

You just negate the very heart of Bob Beck protocol.

Look, there is a difference between claming that Godzilla units work and that

Godzilla units work but Beck units DO NOT. Certainly, Godzilla units must work,

maybe in some situations they work better. But saying that magnetic pulser does

not work at all... you actually call Bob Beck a liar.

There are many magnetic pulser testimonies around. There are many possibilities

that in certain cases this unit does not bring desired results.

I had a look into your own group and found some testimonies, that godzilla did

not work for certain cases. So what, does it mean that it does not work at all?

Of course not.

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of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time.

The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot

of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So

it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

That is an assumption, and an incorrect one. If you posted a lack of results or

bad outcome to my group, then I would publish that along with the successes. I

routinely insist on my group that people publish their negative findings, so we

learn the truth. I don't publish any positive or negative testimonials here,

they are only found on my group. I refer to them as footnotes that people can

check if they like. You can skip my messages if you prefer filtered reading.

bG

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of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a time.

The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and not a lot

of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for instance. So

it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate virus or kill

bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

Please, don’t get me wrong. I like to read your posts, they make me think. I

just asked you some questions and got no answers.

Do you think that Bob Beck was not aware of a super-short timing of

magnetic/electrical impulse coming from his magnetic pulser? Yet he designed it

this way and found it to be effective. If you claim that magnetic pulser does

not work, then you must have been doing something wrong, cause there are many

testimonies around (as good as yours, or your group members) proving it

otherwise.

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amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

I see, ok,..well I have not heard yet, besides beck saying so, of anyone using a

mag pulser on a cold or herpes, or other germ that is easy to observe and to

test, and getting rid of it, have you? I read beck, too, I thought no reason to

doubt it..then I tried it, and give me some heart-credit here, I still liked

beck as my hero... but I also found it did not work. investigating why not, I

found the time was too short, that could be a very strong reason it could not

work...right? if you look at the kaali-lyman study you will read the times

used. when I read that, and examined my own results and those of a few others,

then used the same dc current used by Kaali-Lyman, it worked. now who do you

suggest I believe? I can reproduce the effect one way but not the other way..I

refused for awhile to believe beck could have been sloppy or wrong, instead,

maybe there's more...but as far as my colds, at the first sign of them, I

grab...not the magpulser, but the 6 volt battery, and I get rid of the cold,

everytime. you can easily go through the same hoops as have others in my own

group, we all seem to find the same thing.

bG

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amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

there is also some difference between a cold virus and HIV. HIV replicates once

per 1.2 days. A cold virus is every 20 minutes. Plus it can live outside the

body, where HIV cannot.

However, the times of use on HIV are still evidently, 3-6 minutes per

Kaali-Lyman study. So colds would be somewhat higher--maybe. I use my battery

gizmo about 20-30 minutes per session, and a new session every few hours for a

total of about 2-3 sessions per cold to get rid of them.

In the case of HIV, the urgency of repeating the sessions would be somewhat

less, since it takes 1.2 days to form a new generation. Still it would be wise

to interrupt the cycle every 12 hours rather than one big session per day..if

you want perfection I guess.

Hope that helps.

bG

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amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for so long a

time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a second, and

not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc battery for

instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to inactivate

virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

The use of what I called " godzilla " to have a name for it, is purely pragmatic.

It is available, legally less risky than buy/sell device schemes, cheap but any

device of this type other than a Rife machine is cheap, and it duplicate closely

the lab method used by Kaali-Lyman.

Currently I am looking into an inductive device that uses a plasma globe to

create a current in the body without contact. I doubt it will take place of

other devices, seems we only add more, but it's another interesting approach.

These are simply used now for desk ornaments. See you Tube for some demos of

it. Might be useful in some way.

I doubt if Beck would care about what device or method you use to apply the

current so long as you get the right amount for the right time and it actually

hits the microbes, not just some unrelated part of the body. I read him as

being an engineer with a solution that saved lives of AIDS patients and more.

It's all good. It's limits are few, and the knowledge needed about the current

and time are pretty simple. So not to get hung up on some device or other.

bG

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critical amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for

so long a time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a

second, and not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc

battery for instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to

inactivate virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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[Guest guest]

Ah, one last thought, then I promise to quit this thread:

There is no one who will EVER take the place of (Bob) Beck. It is not

without precedent: Despite Albert (Al) Einstein's Laws, we still study the laws

of Sir Isaac(Izzy) Newton.

Without Beck having understood the new science, the only knowledge of the

disablement of microbes by safe electric currents would have remained buried in

an obscure study in a medical college.

If I can learn anything from Beck it is not about the ideal device (he used DC

too at first till he got results and then took some time to improve upon it, but

DC still works) but rather to understand the new science and APPLY IT TO PEOPLE.

If you idolize him, as I do, then get it used by people, and persist at getting

it used.

bG

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critical amount of " total current " which translates into so many electrons for

so long a time. The magnetic pulser emits a burst of a few millionths of a

second, and not a lot of current during that time, less than would a plain dc

battery for instance. So it does not have the flow or the duration of flow to

inactivate virus or kill bacteria in any location.

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