Re: Beck and DC

October 31, 2010

Good stuff , apart from mentioning *your* electrifier as the only bla

bla... Any cheap TENS electrode can do its work together with any Beck device,

provided one knows how to connect it.

Back to the topic, I'm pretty sure that baby_grand jumped to conclusion to soon,

when he wrote on his own group, that:

" 4. AC vs DC, it is about half as effective to use AC current. They say it this

way: " 1 milliampere per square millimeter with direct current excitation to

about 2 milliamperes per square millimeter using alternating current excitation "

The amount of current needed with AC is twice that of DC, in other words. Or,

the time would have to be twice as long for the same amount of AC as DC current

used.

5. The Beck device uses AC current, so figure 40 minutes at the same current

levels vs godzilla's 20 minutes to do the same thing. This is limited by your

own ability to stand the pain of the spikes given off by the Beck device at

higher current settings, however, so maybe an hour or two might be more

realistic. Still, that is not too bad. "

I'm 99,9% positive, that Kaali used AC current in its *default* form, which is

sine wave. Beck, on the other hand, used SQUARE WAVE, which is nothing more than

DC current switching its polarization every 0,25 sec (4Hz).

Knowing why Beck refused to use plain DC (bad electrolysis, blood cells

clumping, sore joints etc.) I see no point to claim, that Godzilla device is

better than Beck device. Well, there is a point in " third world " , simplicity of

crude godzilla device, etc. But if anyone can afford or build Beck BE - it's

better (safety first) to use it.

There is no proof, that Beck BE is worse than Godzilla in terms of performance,

but there is substantial evidence, that it is MUCH SAFER!

>

> Technically Beck technology, in regard to blood electrification, is the use of

4Hz frequency of tolerable levels of electric current applied to electrodes

situated above the arteries. But the research he used as the basis utilized DC

(direct current with no frequency) to deactivate HIV. He found out that DC is

not as ideal to use as low frequency AC. It causes blood cell clumping and

caused severe chemical sensitivity in myself after 3 months of daily usage at 1

hour daily. But it does work for fighting circulating microbes and is a cheap

alternative to a Beck blood purifier. Other than Beck, I was the first to

experiment with it (on humans) and announce it as a cheap alternative on the

internet. My motivation was to find something cheap and easy for the millions of

poor people in the world who could benefit from it. So AC and DC blood

electrification are cousins although DC is not truly " Beck " .

>

> Yes Beck did say that magnetic pulsing neutralized microbes hiding out in

tissues. It was an assumption based upon observation of how pulsing helped fight

systemic infections. He was a bit off on his assumption but no one is claiming

he was lying. He was human and therefore had the luxury of being occasionally

wrong. But he was definitely right about how the Pulser can be an essential

adjunct to the blood purifier.

>

> In my experience I believe that any Beck blood electrifier, if using pad

electrodes (around 3 inches square), can be used for killing microbes hiding out

in tissues. Both low frequency AC and DC work for this. But my electrifier is

the only one that comes with pad electrodes for this purpose. You can't get

enough tolerable current using the small electrodes when trying to treat some

area such as the sinus area or the liver area against hepatitis. The godzilla,

with pad electrodes, is good for this use if it is designed to output up to 5mA

and allows the user to control the current.

>

> > There is something I do not understand. This is the group for Beck blood

electrification, the key term being " Beck " , as there are many other

electrification groups like your own.

> >

> > If you claim, that magnetic pulser does not work, if you claim that 4Hz

blood purifier does not work and you need DC current (40sec between polarity

changes or more) then...

> >

> > ... what are you doing here?

> >

> > You just negate the very heart of Bob Beck protocol.

> >

> > Look, there is a difference between claming that Godzilla units work and

that Godzilla units work but Beck units DO NOT. Certainly, Godzilla units must

work, maybe in some situations they work better. But saying that magnetic pulser

does not work at all... you actually call Bob Beck a liar.

>

November 1, 2010

Wow ! I can't believe you finally gave me some credit. You usually just

bust my you-know-what.

As far as effectiveness between AC and DC and the respective current levels b_g

probably has more experience comparing the two than I do and we should listen to

what he says.

If you read the original patent that lists the lab results of electricity

against HIV you will see that it was DC. Their second patent only theorized

using AC without having tested it in the lab. Beck first experimented with DC

but said that " it wrecks the blood " without giving details. Then he went to use

AC.

:-)

>Back to the topic, I'm pretty sure that baby_grand jumped to conclusion to

soon, when he wrote on his own group, that:

" 4. AC vs DC, it is about half as effective to use AC current. They say it this

way: " 1 milliampere per square millimeter with direct current excitation to

about 2 milliamperes per square millimeter using alternating current excitation "

The amount of current needed with AC is twice that of DC, in other words. Or,

the time would have to be twice as long for the same amount of AC as DC current

used.

5. The Beck device uses AC current, so figure 40 minutes at the same current

levels vs godzilla's 20 minutes to do the same thing. This is limited by your

own ability to stand the pain of the spikes given off by the Beck device at

higher current settings, however, so maybe an hour or two might be more

realistic. Still, that is not too bad. "

I'm 99,9% positive, that Kaali used AC current in its *default* form, which is

sine wave. Beck, on the other hand, used SQUARE WAVE, which is nothing more than

DC current switching its polarization every 0,25 sec (4Hz).

Knowing why Beck refused to use plain DC (bad electrolysis, blood cells

clumping, sore joints etc.) I see no point to claim, that Godzilla device is

better than Beck device. Well, there is a point in " third world " , simplicity of

crude godzilla device, etc. But if anyone can afford or build Beck BE - it's

better (safety first) to use it.

There is no proof, that Beck BE is worse than Godzilla in terms of performance,

but there is substantial evidence, that it is MUCH SAFER!

November 2, 2010

Well and good, but I still have to allow that DC put in a stronger performance,

though it was only one very dramatic case. We had one hep-c patient using

beck's 4 hertz blood electrifier for an hour a day for a whole year, with a

fairly persistent count for the year of 2,200,000 RNA strand in blood. He

wanted it lower, so made himself a godzilla device with 4 9v batteries, limit

resistor, potentiometer, meter. He used around .5mA daily for an hour..

When he switched to godzilla for an hour a day for 15 weeks, the count fell 99.3

percent to 14,000, almost undetectable, with testing every 3 weeks in which NO

blood test showed a rise in the count. This is the solid result that prompted

me making a comparison. Up to that point, I assumed they were about the same,

and that the only differences were cost and simplicity. If you could pay or

build one, use the 4 hertz, I thought. But after that case, I began to say use

the other if it's hep-c, for sure, and maybe other stuff as well.

Nor is this all. The next hep-c patient actually came to my house and we built

the same device and tried it on him. In 6 weeks he gained about 30 lbs, color

restored, cancelled the purchase of a funeral plot. I would have chosen the

Beck 4 hertz unit and happy to build one for him. But I had to honestly ask

myself " what do I KNOW, what have I SEEN " and the DC device had worked before.

Another case I sent a similar DC device to a guy in New York with Hep-c and he

went both on drugs and DC device for a month. He wound up with a full remission

from Hep-C, which only occurs 25 percent of the time on the drugs, so maybe the

device helped?

I have nothing against 4 hertz, per se. I used what I could count upon due to

the track record being so slim and so definite in the first case. These cases

were all pretty serious and I could not in good conscience just do what I heard

about versus what I had already done myself. If they wanted to come to me, they

get " me " not something I read and had not full experience with.

IDEAL DEVICE FOR THE PATIENT (VS THE RESEARCH EFFORT)

As long as my group members were asked to either buy or to build a device using

electronics parts, the group did not do a lot.

Now it's grown quite active, with many people jumping in, building at least one

simple battery device, and often more than one, then passing them around. The

device may be less than the ideal for the body compared to what we could build,

but it is very ideal for the legal problems of selling devices, doubt amongst

the newcomers, and grass roots casual ad hoc testing.

The users seem willing to throw together my quick devices, use them and report

in. There have not been serious issues with usage reported, in fact some who

were afraid at first said they could not even feel the 6 volts. I too find I

cannot feel it, but that it does work fine.

So that is some background in addition to the below information. Personally I

think either AC or DC should work, but since I did see dramatically better

results with Hep-c using DC versus AC, and lacking a theory as to why, that the

reversing of the current in the case of AC tends to, especially at higher rates

of reversal (frequencies) limit the net corrosive effects of the current. No

sooner does a charge build up in one direction than it is reversed and becomes

the opposite charge. If done fast enough, this could approach a " charge

neutral " average sort of condition that a microbe could survive. But that is

speculative on my part, and I don't hold onto it too tightly. It's just a

first hypothesis.

15 weeks using DC an hour a day on the wrist, reversing current manually every 5

minutes (there was a revesing switch in the unit) was not reported to have ill

effects, quite the contrary. There may be further refinements to make as well.

Perhaps using 4 sets of electrodes, each one using 4 hertz, could have done as

well, and satisfied the need for " non-DC " ?? Fine with me, so long as the tests

come back great.

bG

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> > Technically Beck technology, in regard to blood electrification, is the use

of 4Hz frequency of tolerable levels of electric current applied to electrodes