THIS IS GETTING VERY DISCOURAGING

[Guest guest]

Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually

helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read

lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I can

find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I

mean are there any references out there that this protocol actually

works. I mean common somebody give me some names and some serious

diseases that this protocol has helped I want to talk to them

personally. I mean I have talked to people that has talked to people

but even then they can't give me anybodies name and the people who

manufacture the equipment (which who names i will reframe from

mentioning) run when you ask then for advice or help. I mean they can

even give you any references or guide you to anybody who has

experience with the protocol. There was one person who I met on this

web site (again I will reframe from mentioning there name because I

am not about bashing I am merely making a statement here) and they

claim to have had extensive experience with the protocol and they

claim that they have personally seen the protocol at work and that it

help the body cure many diseases including HIV. So I ask this person

if I could call them they said sure but for the past six weeks all I

get is an answering machine and that they are every busy but then

they always tell me to call them a certain time all I always get is

an answering machine or an email apologizing to me why they are never

answering my phone calls. To whom it may concern I want to be a

believer I don't want to be a skeptic cause I am sick but after a

while when you run across so many brick walls you tend to come to

certain resolutions. Even as I write this I want to believe so can

somebody restore my faith in this protocol because it sounds so good?

And is there someone out there in the forum who even discuses the bob

beck protocol who has successes and experience with it. I must be

honest I'm to the point know where I feel like it was all just a

waste of money buying all the equipment just for the mere fact that

there isn't even a legitimate support group who dedicates the room

for the bob beck protocol even on this forum 89% of the topics are

about everything but the bob beck Protocol can some please comment on

this

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I'm sad to say, but I also think the protocol does not do all that is

implied. I do think it does help with some things. The magnetic

pulser is good for inflamation and also insect bites. The blood

electrification unit is good at reducing viral loads in people with

hpc and shingles, and it does produce enegry as increasing the ATP.

The ozonaed water does also give an elertness and energy. I think it

helps when detoxing to help mop things up. The colloidal silver is

also known as an antibicterial, and there are studies that have

actually been done on it. However, when using the complete protocol,

I can NOT say it cured me of cfids, although that is one of the

illnesses that is stated it can cure. However, some seemed to

have had good results when treating various maladies.

I think one of the reasons other subjects are discussed here is

because it so often takes a multiple of things to regain one's

health. Often the diet has to be improved, supplements have to be

added as well as an exercise program, drinking pure water, and

whatever else you can find that will help. But to say the Beck

protocol does it all is a streatch of the truth, imo. At least it

hasn't done it for me.

If people cannot be reached to talk to you, I would have wonder why.

I've said it before and will say it again, if I ever do find a cure

for cfids, I will shout it from the mountain tops and any and all

will be able to talk to me. Personally, I think if the protocol

really did CURE HIV, there wouldn't be the epidemic there is now.

Cure is often an iffy word for a lot of people, when claiming this or

that. I do think many recovery a portion of their health and will

often regain their life, but are NOT cured and will have to continue

with some protocol just to maintain their health. Often although

some health is restored, it is limited and simply not CURED from my

observations.

Bob has a list called, but can't remember the exact name now (he'll

have to chime in here), where some have reported good results with

hep C I believe. Maybe other things, too. It's been a long time

since Ive been on that list, but you might want to check it out.

Something like microgermelectricitykiller or maybe it's just

microgermelectricity .

Gail

>

> Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually

> helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read

> lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I

can

> find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I

> mean are there any references out there that this protocol actually

> works. I mean common somebody give me some names and some serious

> diseases that this protocol has helped I want to talk to them

> personally. I mean I have talked to people that has talked to

people

> but even then they can't give me anybodies name and the people who

> manufacture the equipment (which who names i will reframe from

> mentioning) run when you ask then for advice or help. I mean they

can

> even give you any references or guide you to anybody who has

> experience with the protocol. There was one person who I met on

this

> web site (again I will reframe from mentioning there name because I

> am not about bashing I am merely making a statement here) and they

> claim to have had extensive experience with the protocol and they

> claim that they have personally seen the protocol at work and that

it

> help the body cure many diseases including HIV. So I ask this

person

> if I could call them they said sure but for the past six weeks all

I

> get is an answering machine and that they are every busy but then

> they always tell me to call them a certain time all I always get is

> an answering machine or an email apologizing to me why they are

never

> answering my phone calls. To whom it may concern I want to be a

> believer I don't want to be a skeptic cause I am sick but after a

> while when you run across so many brick walls you tend to come to

> certain resolutions. Even as I write this I want to believe so can

> somebody restore my faith in this protocol because it sounds so

good?

> And is there someone out there in the forum who even discuses the

bob

> beck protocol who has successes and experience with it. I must be

> honest I'm to the point know where I feel like it was all just a

> waste of money buying all the equipment just for the mere fact that

> there isn't even a legitimate support group who dedicates the room

> for the bob beck protocol even on this forum 89% of the topics are

> about everything but the bob beck Protocol can some please comment

on

> this

>

[Guest guest]

bob Luhrs group:

/

and

2/

takes the beck blood electrification to such a level of simplicity with the

" godzilla " device that anyone can make one that's capable of buying a 6v

lantern (or alternatives) battery, stripping the ends of a couple wires, &

using according to directions.

it's a great group, just tripped the counter over 2500 members. people

actually fill out forms & submit them to the collection after they try it

for something or other, so results +/- can be observed & counted.

there's lots of simple refinements to making the device, mostly having to do

with ways of applying the electricity to the body for various purposes, &

they can all be done for nickels & dimes at the hardware store or home

depot.

it's the same basic principle as the beck device, but lower voltage (totally

safe) and something the authorities can't really do anything about (should

they be so stupid as to want to).

there's a lot of people who've tried a lot of devices costing them serious

money & inconvenience on that list, lots of them seem pretty smart, & the

prevailing idea seems to be that this godzilla is pretty much as good &

effective if not better for a zillion things as any of them. how it works

is mysterious, but seems to be by a number of different ways depending how,

where, & what one does with it....whatever, results matter most for most of

us.

i read an article re a study showing that electric currents along with

silver ions in the body where there's damage show indication of somehow

causing some cells to decide to turn back into stem cells that cause

regeneration of tissues...new one's get grown where & off the type needed.

brief article, scratching the surface, hopeful direction for the future ....

maybe a godzilla together with colloidal silver does some of that. i'll be

experimenting on myself when i can pop $5 on a battery one day soon, as i do

the CS every day & already get good results from it.

> Re: THIS IS GETTING VERY

> DISCOURAGING

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm sad to say, but I also think the protocol does not do all that is

> implied. I do think it does help with some things. The magnetic

> pulser is good for inflamation and also insect bites. The blood

> electrification unit is good at reducing viral loads in people with

> hpc and shingles, and it does produce enegry as increasing the ATP.

> The ozonaed water does also give an elertness and energy. I think it

> helps when detoxing to help mop things up. The colloidal silver is

> also known as an antibicterial, and there are studies that have

> actually been done on it. However, when using the complete protocol,

> I can NOT say it cured me of cfids, although that is one of the

> illnesses that is stated it can cure. However, some seemed to

> have had good results when treating various maladies.

>

> I think one of the reasons other subjects are discussed here is

> because it so often takes a multiple of things to regain one's

> health. Often the diet has to be improved, supplements have to be

> added as well as an exercise program, drinking pure water, and

> whatever else you can find that will help. But to say the Beck

> protocol does it all is a streatch of the truth, imo. At least it

> hasn't done it for me.

>

> If people cannot be reached to talk to you, I would have wonder why.

> I've said it before and will say it again, if I ever do find a cure

> for cfids, I will shout it from the mountain tops and any and all

> will be able to talk to me. Personally, I think if the protocol

> really did CURE HIV, there wouldn't be the epidemic there is now.

>

> Cure is often an iffy word for a lot of people, when claiming this or

> that. I do think many recovery a portion of their health and will

> often regain their life, but are NOT cured and will have to continue

> with some protocol just to maintain their health. Often although

> some health is restored, it is limited and simply not CURED from my

> observations.

>

> Bob has a list called, but can't remember the exact name now (he'll

> have to chime in here), where some have reported good results with

> hep C I believe. Maybe other things, too. It's been a long time

> since Ive been on that list, but you might want to check it out.

> Something like microgermelectricitykiller or maybe it's just

> microgermelectricity .

>

> Gail

>

>

> >

> > Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually

> > helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read

> > lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I

> can

> > find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I

> > mean are there any references out there that this protocol actually

> > works. I mean common somebody give me some names and some serious

> > diseases that this protocol has helped I want to talk to them

> > personally. I mean I have talked to people that has talked to

> people

> > but even then they can't give me anybodies name and the people who

> > manufacture the equipment (which who names i will reframe from

> > mentioning) run when you ask then for advice or help. I mean they

> can

> > even give you any references or guide you to anybody who has

> > experience with the protocol. There was one person who I met on

> this

> > web site (again I will reframe from mentioning there name because I

> > am not about bashing I am merely making a statement here) and they

> > claim to have had extensive experience with the protocol and they

> > claim that they have personally seen the protocol at work and that

> it

> > help the body cure many diseases including HIV. So I ask this

> person

> > if I could call them they said sure but for the past six weeks all

> I

> > get is an answering machine and that they are every busy but then

> > they always tell me to call them a certain time all I always get is

> > an answering machine or an email apologizing to me why they are

> never

> > answering my phone calls. To whom it may concern I want to be a

> > believer I don't want to be a skeptic cause I am sick but after a

> > while when you run across so many brick walls you tend to come to

> > certain resolutions. Even as I write this I want to believe so can

> > somebody restore my faith in this protocol because it sounds so

> good?

> > And is there someone out there in the forum who even discuses the

> bob

> > beck protocol who has successes and experience with it. I must be

> > honest I'm to the point know where I feel like it was all just a

> > waste of money buying all the equipment just for the mere fact that

> > there isn't even a legitimate support group who dedicates the room

> > for the bob beck protocol even on this forum 89% of the topics are

> > about everything but the bob beck Protocol can some please comment

> on

> > this

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's better than all that, I think. The key is what the target germ

is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and

it's easy to suppose one has them. Then spend money and see " no

results " . Most people aren't sick from germs, only about 1% of the

population actually dies from germs worldwide. So in the USA you are

not going to hear from many confirmed cases of microbial issues using

Beck's protocol. They are just very few and far between. Most are

too sick to find Beck's stuff. And the ones who know about Beck,

rarely know anyone who needs it. And if they did, there's legal

risks involved in getting it used. My answer to that is the verys

simple Apprentice Godzilla, which is just a piece of wire and a 6

volt battery. Under 10 bucks, under 10 minutes to build one. Anyone

can do it, copy it, give it away. It's still slow-going, though.

People are afraid of legal, of ridicule, or seeming like a busy-

body. You can find it at: ,

. The simple photos for assembly are in

the PHOTOS menu on the left side of the group main page. You have to

join to see them (free). Even so, before you do that, do you really

have anything germally wrong? I doubt you do. IF you did, you'd

mention it and fill us in on how you made out, right? Or are you

sick but want another person to take the risks and tell you, though

you haven't told anyone what's wrong with you and what you hope to do

with the Beck stuff? You have said or contributed nothing so far...

In my opinion, local infections that are known-microbial (not per Dr.

, per a lab test at a hospital) will respond if you use the

blood electrifier directly on the infected area..not on the

bloodstream as he always said. The tool is good, the craftsman was

no doctor, so you have to get some insight into your local microbe.

For systemic issues, the tools given by Beck can be used to hold off

infection to liveable levels without drugs, probably, in many cases.

So that is good. Again, you have to use the tools right against the

microbe itself..find it, directly attack it with the blood pulser

thingy. Blood electrification can help some things. We got a fine

remission with it on leukemia in an elderly woman, in whom they

cancelled her chemo since she improved so dramatically in a week or

two prior to her chemo schedule starting. She stayed well. It was

probably viral leukemia.

But, you have to take into account the few stories that get around

show there's little if any placebo effect. People, thinking they're

sick with microbes, buy Beck equipment and get nowhere. Which shows

two things: no microbe, no placebo effect.

I notice a big difference between people with microbe infections and

others. The ones with the microbes do sound lots more serious and

quiet. They get busy and you do hear back. The rest are making more

dust and fuss than they are worth, and I wish they'd get proper

diagnosis where possible. Sometimes that is not possible, the causes

of things might not be known.

But, for local infection like flesh eating bacteria, MRSA, and other

really obvious things you will find, if I'm right, these things work

just fine. It's the systemic infections that persist. You can

usually hold those easily back below clinically significant levels

without anything else.

But " I'm sick " is not going to work with Beck, you really need a

specific, targettable and known microbe for this to work. I say it

over and over since 5 years of monkeying and watching people come and

go buying this and that, it's the way it is. People insist on being

full of bugs when they aren't. It was really bad in one case of an

ear infection, where they used the electricity for days, increasing

the power as the infection got worse and worse. They threw up their

hands when bleeding and all sorts of pain set in, thinking this

simply did not work. They ended up in the hospital ER. Doctors

examined it and said there was no evidence of infection, just a bunch

of strange-looking burns around the ear! It probably cleared the

infection the first day, but the person used it so hard they got skin

irritation, leading later to actual burns. They gave him some burn

ointment and sent him home. nice.

bG

>

> Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually

> helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read

> lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I

can

> find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I

>

[Guest guest]

I wish to stress I have great sympathy for anyone in a non-microbial

illness situation! Afterall, I think microbes are not a problem, but

that other stuff, CFS, porphyria, fibromyalgia, arthritis, etc are all

terrbily debilitating ailments with real damage done to people. I hope

these are resolved and cures found for them.

bG

>

> It's better than all that, I think. The key is what the target germ

> is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and

> it's easy to suppose one has them. Then spend money and see " no

> results " . Most people aren't sick from germs, only about 1% of the

> population actually dies from germs worldwide. So in the USA you

[Guest guest]

But if the beck protocol is supposed to demobilize pathogens, viruses,bacteria why do you need to target anything why don't you just use it and see if it works?baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: It's better than all that, I think. The key is what the target germ is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and it's easy to suppose one has them. Then spend money and see "no results". Most people aren't sick from germs, only about 1% of the population actually dies from

germs worldwide. So in the USA you are not going to hear from many confirmed cases of microbial issues using Beck's protocol. They are just very few and far between. Most are too sick to find Beck's stuff. And the ones who know about Beck, rarely know anyone who needs it. And if they did, there's legal risks involved in getting it used. My answer to that is the verys simple Apprentice Godzilla, which is just a piece of wire and a 6 volt battery. Under 10 bucks, under 10 minutes to build one. Anyone can do it, copy it, give it away. It's still slow-going, though. People are afraid of legal, of ridicule, or seeming like a busy-body. You can find it at: , . The simple photos for assembly are in the PHOTOS menu on the left side of the group main page. You have to join to see them (free). Even so, before you do that, do you really have anything germally wrong? I doubt you do. IF

you did, you'd mention it and fill us in on how you made out, right? Or are you sick but want another person to take the risks and tell you, though you haven't told anyone what's wrong with you and what you hope to do with the Beck stuff? You have said or contributed nothing so far...In my opinion, local infections that are known-microbial (not per Dr. , per a lab test at a hospital) will respond if you use the blood electrifier directly on the infected area..not on the bloodstream as he always said. The tool is good, the craftsman was no doctor, so you have to get some insight into your local microbe.For systemic issues, the tools given by Beck can be used to hold off infection to liveable levels without drugs, probably, in many cases. So that is good. Again, you have to use the tools right against the microbe itself..find it, directly attack it with the blood pulser thingy. Blood electrification can

help some things. We got a fine remission with it on leukemia in an elderly woman, in whom they cancelled her chemo since she improved so dramatically in a week or two prior to her chemo schedule starting. She stayed well. It was probably viral leukemia.But, you have to take into account the few stories that get around show there's little if any placebo effect. People, thinking they're sick with microbes, buy Beck equipment and get nowhere. Which shows two things: no microbe, no placebo effect.I notice a big difference between people with microbe infections and others. The ones with the microbes do sound lots more serious and quiet. They get busy and you do hear back. The rest are making more dust and fuss than they are worth, and I wish they'd get proper diagnosis where possible. Sometimes that is not possible, the causes of things might not be known.But, for local infection like flesh eating

bacteria, MRSA, and other really obvious things you will find, if I'm right, these things work just fine. It's the systemic infections that persist. You can usually hold those easily back below clinically significant levels without anything else.But "I'm sick" is not going to work with Beck, you really need a specific, targettable and known microbe for this to work. I say it over and over since 5 years of monkeying and watching people come and go buying this and that, it's the way it is. People insist on being full of bugs when they aren't. It was really bad in one case of an ear infection, where they used the electricity for days, increasing the power as the infection got worse and worse. They threw up their hands when bleeding and all sorts of pain set in, thinking this simply did not work. They ended up in the hospital ER. Doctors examined it and said there was no evidence of infection, just a bunch of

strange-looking burns around the ear! It probably cleared the infection the first day, but the person used it so hard they got skin irritation, leading later to actual burns. They gave him some burn ointment and sent him home. nice.bG>> Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually > helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read > lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I can > find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I >

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

the various buggers aren't all evenly distributed in the bloodstream only. many like to hide in favorite places of their choosing. kill them in the blood, after a repro cycle more come out.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of AMOS LARKINS IISent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: THIS IS GETTING VERY DISCOURAGINGBut if the beck protocol is supposed to demobilize pathogens, viruses,bacteria why do you need to target anything why don't you just use it and see if it works?baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:

It's better than all that, I think. The key is what the target germ is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and it's easy to suppose one has them. Then spend money and see "no results". Most people aren't sick from germs, only about 1% of the population actually dies from germs worldwide. So in the USA you are not going to hear from many confirmed cases of microbial issues using Beck's protocol. They are just very few and far between. Most are too sick to find Beck's stuff. And the ones who know about Beck, rarely know anyone who needs it. And if they did, there's legal risks involved in getting it used. My answer to that is the verys simple Apprentice Godzilla, which is just a piece of wire and a 6 volt battery. Under 10 bucks, under 10 minutes to build one. Anyone can do it, copy it, give it away. It's still slow-going, though. People are afraid of legal, of ridicule, or seeming like a busy-body. You can find it at: , . The simple photos for assembly are in the PHOTOS menu on the left side of the group main page. You have to join to see them (free). Even so, before you do that, do you really have anything germally wrong? I doubt you do. IF you did, you'd mention it and fill us in on how you made out, right? Or are you sick but want another person to take the risks and tell you, though you haven't told anyone what's wrong with you and what you hope to do with the Beck stuff? You have said or contributed nothing so far...In my opinion, local infections that are known-microbial (not per Dr. , per a lab test at a hospital) will respond if you use the blood electrifier directly on the infected area..not on the bloodstream as he always said. The tool is good, the craftsman was no doctor, so you have to get some insight into your local microbe.For systemic issues, the tools given by Beck can be used to hold off infection to liveable levels without drugs, probably, in many cases. So that is good. Again, you have to use the tools right against the microbe itself..find it, directly attack it with the blood pulser thingy. Blood electrification can help some things. We got a fine remission with it on leukemia in an elderly woman, in whom they cancelled her chemo since she improved so dramatically in a week or two prior to her chemo schedule starting. She stayed well. It was probably viral leukemia.But, you have to take into account the few stories that get around show there's little if any placebo effect. People, thinking they're sick with microbes, buy Beck equipment and get nowhere. Which shows two things: no microbe, no placebo effect.I notice a big difference between people with microbe infections and others. The ones with the microbes do sound lots more serious and quiet. They get busy and you do hear back. The rest are making more dust and fuss than they are worth, and I wish they'd get proper diagnosis where possible. Sometimes that is not possible, the causes of things might not be known.But, for local infection like flesh eating bacteria, MRSA, and other really obvious things you will find, if I'm right, these things work just fine. It's the systemic infections that persist. You can usually hold those easily back below clinically significant levels without anything else.But "I'm sick" is not going to work with Beck, you really need a specific, targettable and known microbe for this to work. I say it over and over since 5 years of monkeying and watching people come and go buying this and that, it's the way it is. People insist on being full of bugs when they aren't. It was really bad in one case of an ear infection, where they used the electricity for days, increasing the power as the infection got worse and worse. They threw up their hands when bleeding and all sorts of pain set in, thinking this simply did not work. They ended up in the hospital ER. Doctors examined it and said there was no evidence of infection, just a bunch of strange-looking burns around the ear! It probably cleared the infection the first day, but the person used it so hard they got skin irritation, leading later to actual burns. They gave him some burn ointment and sent him home. nice.bG>> Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually > helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read > lots of information seen lots of videos read lots of papers but I can > find one person who the bob beck protocol has personally helped I >

Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

Beck's protocol will often miss the germ, even if one exists.

But you can adapt the protocol so it will hit the germ. You can't

take a " try it and see " approach with this, you do need to

understand how a microbe hit with a current will succumb. A microbe

NOT hit with a current will NOT succumb.

By placing the device to hit the microbes, you can defeat them. Up

to you. I think the world of the concept and am fine changing the

protocol a little with some understanding. Lots of things in life

are that way, no surprises there.

Go ahead and spend the money and see what happens. But if it fails,

it will probably be because of no germ in the first place, or

because it did not reach it and you used it out-of-the-box instead

of with understanding. Should we fly using the Brothers' out

of the box design? Course not, yet we can fly because the idea was

right, just needed more thought to make it fully usable.

Reading Beck, I get the idea he thought we were all full of bugs.

We're not. Sure there's some things that will dieoff, we will feel

some symptoms like the flu as things go away. But lots of that is

baggage and not harmful stuff.

Hep-C virus can travel in blood. But it lives and reproduces inside

the liver cells. If you don't electrify the liver cells, you don't

reach the area of largest concentration. You have to reach both

areas. Beck didn't know where Hep-c virus lived. Nor HIV. Nobody

did at the time he died. Only recently have we found its main

location in the body and you need to put some electric pads over it,

then it will reduce the numbers of it. Otherwise you cleanly miss

it.

Beck was onto something. But he left the scene tragically by

accident, fell off a ladder at 70 and had complications. So, we are

the ones who have to fill in the details. He did not leave a fully

usable protocol that would do everything. But the tools are there

and you can easily think it out and it all makes sense. I caution

you to take this approach, otherwise this incredibly useful and

beneficial stuff won't do you any good, and you could be far worse

off.

IF you have things wrong, see a doctor. Get a diagnosis. No

microbial things suspected by the doc? OK, then it's really up to

you. You can insist there might be and try Beck or some other thing

for microbes. You will either get something done or you won't.

Right now you would need to modify Beck's protocol in the following

cases:

1. hiv (should be able to keep under control, not gone)

2. hep-any (ditto)

3. CFS (probably have to use DC on brain to reach any microbe

causing it and I'm not sure anyone wants to try that)

4. Lyme's (spirochete gets into the brain, needs a very high power

mag pulser, not Beck's, or DC on the brain to remove the bug there,

along with systemic anti-biotics for rest of body as it lives

everywhere)

5. Skin cancer (needs to be applied directly to basal-cell

carcinoma, not sure about malignant melanoma have not tried it on

that yet)

6. Most colds, flu, lung infections require very close use to the

local area of the infection

7. Abcessed teeth, jawbones, etc (direct to area)

8. Osteomyelitis (direct to area or won't reach bone marrow)

bG

It's better than all

that, I think. The key is what the target germ

> is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and

[Guest guest]

Here is an example from another group from someone using Beck's

wrist type electrifier:

tac> I thought I would share with the group a number of benefits I

have noticed

tac> since I started using a Beck Device regularly. The unit I have

is one of

the

tac> Bioelectrifiers that uses 4 - 9volt

tac> batteries. I have been using it

tac> about 1 hour each day early mornings before going to work. The

benefits I

tac> notice since using it regularly for about 2 months now are :

tac> 1) No more migraine headaches

tac> 2) No more leg cramps

tac> 3) Increased energy throughout the day

tac> 4) Better concentration, ability to focus

tac> I continue to notice other small improvements in health and

well-being

tac> each day I continue to use it. Relief from the

tac> migraine headaches alone is

tac> well worth the slight effort of using it each day! - Todd R

Anyone would say great this is awesome results. But...how likely is

this due to a microbe or any condition we can say this works on

repeatedly? It's a nice story, that's about it. The next person

will report nothing happened with their migraines or sore legs, most

likely. This was just a story, it will probably help to sell stuff

if someone has the same symptoms and was eager to try Beck but not

sure if it matched their symptoms.

But there's no way to know what it did, and under what circumstances

this can be expected. It is like a lot of vitamin or herbal

stories. If that happens, great, but there's nothing in the system

to say it must be true for the next person.

With germs, properly used, the devices should have much more

predictable results. The reports I get on germs are all consistent

over 5 years with very few exceptions. The reports like this fellow

are one in ten or less. We really don't know why it happens that

symptoms are reduced or not, if we don't know we have an actual

microbe at work and we kill it off by directing electricity at it.

bG

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So other words you are saying that when Bob Beck insisted that if you use his protocol with out any modification( meaning the four steps ) for cancer , HIV and i think it was hep c. you are saying that his studies and research was just bogus you are saying that he was on the right track but he was just exaggerating and not telling the truth about his studies , his research and that what he claimed was merely bogus statements on his behalf and it was just fact and not theory and if that is the case that means that anyone who knew him and who is even selling the approved devices/tool that are used in his protocol are just capitalizing on the fact that people are just looking for a magic wand?baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: Beck's protocol will often miss the germ, even if one exists.But you can adapt the protocol so it will hit the germ. You can't take a "try it and see" approach with this, you do need to understand how a microbe hit with a current will succumb. A microbe NOT hit with a current will NOT succumb.By placing the device to hit the microbes, you can defeat them. Up to you. I think the world of the concept and am fine changing the protocol a little with some understanding. Lots of things in life are that way, no surprises there. Go ahead and spend the money and see what happens. But if it fails, it will probably be because of no germ in the first place, or because it did not reach it and you used it

out-of-the-box instead of with understanding. Should we fly using the Brothers' out of the box design? Course not, yet we can fly because the idea was right, just needed more thought to make it fully usable.Reading Beck, I get the idea he thought we were all full of bugs. We're not. Sure there's some things that will dieoff, we will feel some symptoms like the flu as things go away. But lots of that is baggage and not harmful stuff. Hep-C virus can travel in blood. But it lives and reproduces inside the liver cells. If you don't electrify the liver cells, you don't reach the area of largest concentration. You have to reach both areas. Beck didn't know where Hep-c virus lived. Nor HIV. Nobody did at the time he died. Only recently have we found its main location in the body and you need to put some electric pads over it, then it will reduce the numbers of it. Otherwise you cleanly miss it.

Beck was onto something. But he left the scene tragically by accident, fell off a ladder at 70 and had complications. So, we are the ones who have to fill in the details. He did not leave a fully usable protocol that would do everything. But the tools are there and you can easily think it out and it all makes sense. I caution you to take this approach, otherwise this incredibly useful and beneficial stuff won't do you any good, and you could be far worse off. IF you have things wrong, see a doctor. Get a diagnosis. No microbial things suspected by the doc? OK, then it's really up to you. You can insist there might be and try Beck or some other thing for microbes. You will either get something done or you won't. Right now you would need to modify Beck's protocol in the following cases:1. hiv (should be able to keep under control, not gone)2. hep-any (ditto)3. CFS (probably have to use DC on

brain to reach any microbe causing it and I'm not sure anyone wants to try that)4. Lyme's (spirochete gets into the brain, needs a very high power mag pulser, not Beck's, or DC on the brain to remove the bug there, along with systemic anti-biotics for rest of body as it lives everywhere)5. Skin cancer (needs to be applied directly to basal-cell carcinoma, not sure about malignant melanoma have not tried it on that yet)6. Most colds, flu, lung infections require very close use to the local area of the infection7. Abcessed teeth, jawbones, etc (direct to area)8. Osteomyelitis (direct to area or won't reach bone marrow)bG It's better than all that, I think. The key is what the target germ > is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and

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>

> Does anybody know anyone who the bob beck protocol has actually

> helped with a chronic case or a chronic disease? I mean I have read

> lots of information... I must be

> honest I'm to the point know where I feel like it was all just a

> waste of money buying all the equipment just for the mere fact that

> there isn't even a legitimate support group who dedicates the room

> for the bob beck protocol even on this forum 89% of the topics are

> about everything but the bob beck Protocol can some please comment on

> this

To amoslarkinsii,

I'm happy to weigh in. I've been involved with these newsgroups and have

found them to be very informative and extrememly helpful, and if I had one

thing to say to you, it would be: " Be patient " . If you thought that using the

blood

electrifier and the magnetic pulser one week, or even one month, would yield

instant results, your expectations are too high. I just wish I'd been hip to all

this

great information ten years ago. I think I'm really close to a great report as

to

results in treating my hiv infection, but my blood tests aren't scheduled for

another month. This is truly the hardest part of it all for me, the waiting.

When

Bob Beck reported that it only took a month or so for a person's immune

system to return to more normal levels, he was going on the best information

he had at the time. Back then, there weren't people infected for over a decade

like myself, and he didn't know about post mortem studies because none

existed. We now know more than ever, and it's important to realize that the

protocols must be adjusted, along with our expectations. I would like to add

that I'm greatly disappointed in the apparant failure of mainstream medicine to

accurately diagnose and then treat my specific infection (I don't think there

really is such a disease as aids at all, but in fact, syphilis that has gone

undiagnosed). It was my distrust of their answers, I truly believe, that has

saved my life. If I had taken my first doctor's advice, and the poisonous AZT,

I'd

have been dead ten years ago like so many of my cohorts. Seriously. Now,

armed with good information from like-minded individuals, on these valuable

and important newsgroups, I can go about treating my infection with a lot

more confidence. My thanks to all who contribute, and watch for an update

from me in the near future. (For now, I'll tell you that my health is better

than it's

been in five years, and I'm growing hair now on my head that I didn't think I'd

ever have again: too bad it's mostly grey!) Keep up the great work.

[Guest guest]

After reading the complete discouragement of some users, I'm glad I

never tried the Beck protocall! Instead I used the cheaper Godzilla.

I am very satisfied with the results from the 'zilla. It seems to

have extended my life by a few years already, may have been helpful

in destroying my liver cancer along with herbs, and might be

instrumental in the regrowth of liver tissue detected by CAT scans.

If you are going to try the 'zilla remember that it takes time,

maybe years of treating yourself to establish results. And never

give up on your own research into herbs. You have to be willing to

be your own lab rat, with some things working and others making you

worse, but keep pecking away at it and you may be pleasantly

surprised.

Like my Granma always said, " God helps those who help themselves " .

Good Luck!

It's better than all

> that, I think. The key is what the target germ

> > is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not

and

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no.

It's better than all

> that, I think. The key is what the target germ

> > is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not

and

>

>

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so what exactly are you saying?baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: no. It's better than all > that, I think. The key is what the target germ > > is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not and

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use the devices or equivalent ones you can make, and aim them

directly at the germ instead of just the bloodstream as Beck thought

was right. He wasn't right on that point..he was almost there and he

thought he was there. He was honest, just not fully-informed.

It's better than all

> > that, I think. The key is what the target germ

> > > is. Most people simply don't know if they have any germ or not

> and

> >

> >

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You may not need the full Beck protocol. We used the colloidal

silver and magnetic pulser parts to clear two cases of drug-

resistant osteomyelitis of the leg. In both cases the doctors had

been treating it for a year or more and were considering

amputation, and in both cases they were amazed at the sudden

remission.

For more information on the second case, the ten year old boy,

I'll give you the contact of the parents' chiropractic clinic for

verification by private mail if you requst it privately.

We've reliably cleared viral chest flu overnight, and also

cleared a drug-resistant bonchial infection with colloidal silver

alone. This last one was a lifesaver as the man had been sent

home from the hospital to die when they couldn't treat him any

more.

We've also cleared four out of four jaw infections with the

magnetic pulser, and two with electrical current.

Duncan

On 15 Nov 2006 at 13:01, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 1713 wrote:

> > > Does anybody know anyone who the bob

> beck protocol has actually > helped with a chronic case or a chronic

> disease? I mean I have read > lots of information...

[Guest guest]

Exactly. You use the concepts and tools of the protocol and get

directed, intensive results by attacking the germ sites.

Osteomyelitis with a mag-pulser makes sense as the pulser drives

fluids out of the area and drives germs out with it. If it's an

alternating or pulsed DC pulser, then it will also have some

germicidal effects. The single spike pulser drives fluids, and

usually does not attack germs in my experience other than to move

them out of an area where they are stuck and don't get reached by

other means.

I have CS and an air compressor-artist's brush that can nebulize it

to breathe into the lungs and hoping that might help with bird flu

should we get an attack of that...

Each Beck tool is useful and you should know what each thing does.

Then you can master it fully. Just using per the directions will

fix some people without their knowing why. When you know why and

how, and you can adapt it, then your rate of success goes way way up

as has Duncan's here. Good work, Duncan!!

bG

> > Does anybody know anyone who the bob

> > beck protocol has actually > helped with a chronic case or a

chronic

> > disease? I mean I have read > lots of information...

>

[Guest guest]

The magnetic pulser cures osteomyelitis, which usually involves

the bone as well as the marrow, leading me to think it's killing

(or at least, attenuating) the infection as well as moving it,

because there's very little fluid in the bone interstices to

move.

Anyway, we're glad it works, and reliably too

Duncan

On 16 Nov 2006 at 15:37, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 1714 wrote:

>

> Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> Date: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:25 am ((PST))

>

> Exactly. You use the concepts and tools of the protocol and get

> directed, intensive results by attacking the germ sites.

>

> Osteomyelitis with a mag-pulser makes sense as the pulser drives

> fluids out of the area and drives germs out with it. If it's an

> alternating or pulsed DC pulser, then it will also have some

> germicidal effects. The single spike pulser drives fluids, and

> usually does not attack germs in my experience other than to move them

> out of an area where they are stuck and don't get reached by other

> means.

>

> I have CS and an air compressor-artist's brush that can nebulize it to

> breathe into the lungs and hoping that might help with bird flu should

> we get an attack of that...

>

> Each Beck tool is useful and you should know what each thing does.

> Then you can master it fully. Just using per the directions will fix

> some people without their knowing why. When you know why and how, and

> you can adapt it, then your rate of success goes way way up as has

> Duncan's here. Good work, Duncan!!

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

Interesting how many times have you seen this effect? I've only got

one case to compare with, but we only used dc current on it. It

went away came back, we did again, went away, etc. Very well behaved

over a year or more, always responds to dc. this avoided surgery

nicely. Will be going on two years occasional use with a flare-up

gets it back under control.

one complicating factor is this person is on immuno-suppressant

meds. So, that could explain why no permanent remission with this

osteo-m.

bG

>

> >

> > Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> > Date: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:25 am ((PST))

> >

> > Exactly. You use the concepts and tools of the protocol and get

> > directed, intensive results by attacking the germ sites.

> >

> > Osteomyelitis with a mag-pulser makes sense as the pulser drives

> > fluids out of the area and drives germs out with it. If it's an

> > alternating or pulsed DC pulser, then it will also have some

> > germicidal effects. The single spike pulser drives fluids, and

> > usually does not attack germs in my experience other than to

move them

> > out of an area where they are stuck and don't get reached by

other

> > means.

> >

> > I have CS and an air compressor-artist's brush that can nebulize

it to

> > breathe into the lungs and hoping that might help with bird flu

should

> > we get an attack of that...

> >

> > Each Beck tool is useful and you should know what each thing

does.

> > Then you can master it fully. Just using per the directions

will fix

> > some people without their knowing why. When you know why and

how, and

> > you can adapt it, then your rate of success goes way way up as

has

> > Duncan's here. Good work, Duncan!!

> >

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

We're not sure whether the four out of four jaw infections were

osteomyelitis, but the two leg infections were diagnosed.

Duncan

> 1b.

> Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:53 pm ((PST))

>

> Interesting how many times have you seen this effect? I've only got

> one case to compare with, but we only used dc current on it. It

> went away came back, we did again, went away, etc. Very well behaved

> over a year or more, always responds to dc. this avoided surgery

> nicely. Will be going on two years occasional use with a flare-up

> gets it back under control.

>

> one complicating factor is this person is on immuno-suppressant

> meds. So, that could explain why no permanent remission with this

> osteo-m.

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

great, that's lots of info. forgot to ask: what type of pulser? the

single shot recharge for 5 seconds, or the oscillating type?

bob

>

> We're not sure whether the four out of four jaw infections were

> osteomyelitis, but the two leg infections were diagnosed.

>

> Duncan

>

> > 1b.

> > Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> > Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:53 pm ((PST))

> >

> > Interesting how many times have you seen this effect? I've only

got

> > one case to compare with, but we only used dc current on it. It

> > went away came back, we did again, went away, etc. Very well

behaved

> > over a year or more, always responds to dc. this avoided surgery

> > nicely. Will be going on two years occasional use with a flare-

up

> > gets it back under control.

> >

> > one complicating factor is this person is on immuno-suppressant

> > meds. So, that could explain why no permanent remission with

this

> > osteo-m.

> >

> > bG

>

[Guest guest]

We used a SOTA with a pulse every 5 sec for the legs and a

similar one on the jaws.

Duncan

> Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:32 pm ((PST))

>

> great, that's lots of info. forgot to ask: what type of pulser? the

> single shot recharge for 5 seconds, or the oscillating type?

>

> bob

>

>

> >

> > We're not sure whether the four out of four jaw infections were

> > osteomyelitis, but the two leg infections were diagnosed.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > > 1b.

> > > Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@... Baby_grand

> > > Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:53 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > Interesting how many times have you seen this effect? I've only

> got

> > > one case to compare with, but we only used dc current on it. It

> > > went away came back, we did again, went away, etc. Very well

> behaved

> > > over a year or more, always responds to dc. this avoided surgery

> > > nicely. Will be going on two years occasional use with a flare-

> up

> > > gets it back under control.

> > >

> > > one complicating factor is this person is on immuno-suppressant

> > > meds. So, that could explain why no permanent remission with

> this

> > > osteo-m.

> > >

> > > bG

> >

>

>

>

>

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Why did you use a different pulse genarator on the legs than on the

jaw?

> > >

> > > We're not sure whether the four out of four jaw infections were

> > > osteomyelitis, but the two leg infections were diagnosed.

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> > > > 1b.

> > > > Posted by: " baby_grand " bobluhrs@ Baby_grand

> > > > Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:53 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > Interesting how many times have you seen this effect? I've

only

> > got

> > > > one case to compare with, but we only used dc current on it.

It

> > > > went away came back, we did again, went away, etc. Very well

> > behaved

> > > > over a year or more, always responds to dc. this avoided

surgery

> > > > nicely. Will be going on two years occasional use with a

flare-

> > up

> > > > gets it back under control.

> > > >

> > > > one complicating factor is this person is on immuno-

suppressant

> > > > meds. So, that could explain why no permanent remission with

> > this

> > > > osteo-m.

> > > >

> > > > bG

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dream

> > Posted by: " mary_c_grace " mary_c_grace@... mary_c_grace

> > Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:28 pm ((PST))

> >

> > Hey everyone. I got this message on one of my other lists I am

> > subscribed to and thought I'd forward it to all of you because I

got

> > my CDs in the other day and think they're wonderful! Anyways, you

> > can get yours at http://www.freecdbooks.com. They're all free but

> > you still have to pay for shipping ($5) but it's way worth it.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Greetings,

> > >

> > > My name is Neal. I am writing to let you know about my

> > > free CD-ROMs, including the Herbal Encyclopedia which

> > > contains information about thousands of herbs, their

> > > uses, home remedies, and more! You can quickly access

> > > reference material on herbal health and alternative

> > > treatments for most common ailments. This CD is the

> > > most comprehensive source of herbal information

> > > available, and best of all it's FREE!

> > >

> > > Also available is the amazing Course in Hypnosis CD-ROM

> > > which teaches you how to hypnotize anyone, quickly and

> > > easily. Or the Psychic Powers CD-ROM which teaches you

> > > how to unlock your hidden psychic gifts. And the 10,000

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The SOTA pulser belonged to a guy who subsequently sold it when

he was done treating his own leg, to treat the child's

osteomyelitis of the leg.

I always had the other pulser on-hand at the office.

Duncan

On 22 Nov 2006 at 16:01, Beck-blood-

electrification

Digest Number 1718 wrote:

>

> Posted by: " amoslarkinsii " amoslarkinsii@... amoslarkinsii

> Date: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:08 am ((PST))

>

> Why did you use a different pulse genarator on the legs than on the

> jaw?

>

[Guest guest]

i have been using the sota blood zapper for about 1 1/2 months. a

very clear result was that a wart on my finger that i have had for a

few years has totally disapeared. it must be doing something for tha

to of happend!!