colloidal silver / high dosage

[Guest guest]

Sota doesn't recommend you attempt higher concentrations than pale yellow with

their unit. At higher concentrations with their unit the current rises and the

particle size gets bigger . Higher particle size does not have the healthful

benefits.

Are you aware of this, Duncan? Do you have Current limits on your unit?

P.

colloidal silver / high dosage

>

>

> > Hi Gail;

> >

> > If you have time, check out the silver list...

> >

> > A recent poll on that list notes that the majority of us

hardcores are

> > taking more than 4 oz. per day, but most are using +- 15 PPM, we

guess.

> >

> > Having seen beneficial effects at much higher doses, I make mine

as strong

> > as I can until it sticks to the inside of the jar. Since

Colloidal Silver

> is

> > thought to be unstable at over 35 PPM, I peg it conservatively at

that

> > level.

> >

> > It is never toxic, but can at very high levels precipitate under

the skin

> > and cause grey discoloration, something that hasn't been seen at

all in

> the

> > colloidal silver users but has been seen, though very rarely, in

abusers

> of

> > FDA-approved compounds, which CS is not.

> >

> > It enters the bloodstream readily on an empty stomach.

> >

> > People claim relief from CFS and Lyme when using silver

(anecdotal). It IS

> > absolutely known to kill organisms, given enough concentration.

> >

> > If you gulp it, bear in mind that there will be a point someday

where you

> > won't need that much. You can do the higher dosage indefinitely in

> personal

> > safety. Most is eliminated in the feces, but saturation is

important

> > meanwhile to kill the boogers.

> >

> > Me, I'd pound it for a week, then lay off for a week. If it's

going to

> work,

> > it's onnly a six-minute kill given enough concentration. It

should at

> least

> > make any infections manageable if not kill them outright.

> >

> > Store it in the cupboard at room temperature. Thn you don't need

colored

> > bottles..

> >

> > any time.

> >

> > ciao

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Thanks for the response. Sorry, just don't have time to do the silver list

right now. Maybe later.

Just wanted to say, I am starting to love this stuff. I've only been on the

higher dosage for a couple of days now, but I'm seeing results already. At

first it fries my brain. What I mean by that is: I get really weird,

confussed, and can't think straight, sometimes sleepy also. Then after

around an hour that goes away and I'm left with increased energy. People

with cfs are not know for their enegry, so this is very enjoyable! Don't

know if it's killing off the cooties (you know the definition of a cootie is

a body louse? Disgusting but accurate!) in my brain at first or what.

I can't seem to figure out what the ppm stuff means that you're talking

about and 15 and 35. What does all that mean in laymen's terms? I doubt if

it's the same as pms. That I can undestand. I make mine with the black box

I got from Jaguar following 's instructions. He only says to make 8

oz. at a time. Can I make more at one batch? At this rate, I'm going to

have to make it every couple of days.

Many thanks.

Gail

colloidal silver / high dosage

> Hi Gail;

>

> If you have time, check out the silver list...

>

> A recent poll on that list notes that the majority of us hardcores are

> taking more than 4 oz. per day, but most are using +- 15 PPM, we guess.

>

> Having seen beneficial effects at much higher doses, I make mine as strong

> as I can until it sticks to the inside of the jar. Since Colloidal Silver

is

> thought to be unstable at over 35 PPM, I peg it conservatively at that

> level.

>

> It is never toxic, but can at very high levels precipitate under the skin

> and cause grey discoloration, something that hasn't been seen at all in

the

> colloidal silver users but has been seen, though very rarely, in abusers

of

> FDA-approved compounds, which CS is not.

>

> It enters the bloodstream readily on an empty stomach.

>

> People claim relief from CFS and Lyme when using silver (anecdotal). It IS

> absolutely known to kill organisms, given enough concentration.

>

> If you gulp it, bear in mind that there will be a point someday where you

> won't need that much. You can do the higher dosage indefinitely in

personal

> safety. Most is eliminated in the feces, but saturation is important

> meanwhile to kill the boogers.

>

> Me, I'd pound it for a week, then lay off for a week. If it's going to

work,

> it's onnly a six-minute kill given enough concentration. It should at

least

> make any infections manageable if not kill them outright.

>

> Store it in the cupboard at room temperature. Thn you don't need colored

> bottles..

>

> any time.

>

> ciao

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

I have the Sota silver pulser. I've made the standard concentration,

leaving the silver wires in a 12-16 oz. glass for about 30 minutes.

Do you have any idea how long I'd have to leave the wires in to get

at least 15 ppm? 35 ppm?

Thanks,

Steve

> Hi Duncan,

>

> Thanks for the response. Sorry, just don't have time to do the

silver list

> right now. Maybe later.

>

> Just wanted to say, I am starting to love this stuff. I've only

been on the

> higher dosage for a couple of days now, but I'm seeing results

already. At

> first it fries my brain. What I mean by that is: I get really

weird,

> confussed, and can't think straight, sometimes sleepy also. Then

after

> around an hour that goes away and I'm left with increased energy.

People

> with cfs are not know for their enegry, so this is very enjoyable!

Don't

> know if it's killing off the cooties (you know the definition of a

cootie is

> a body louse? Disgusting but accurate!) in my brain at first or

what.

>

> I can't seem to figure out what the ppm stuff means that you're

talking

> about and 15 and 35. What does all that mean in laymen's terms? I

doubt if

> it's the same as pms. That I can undestand. I make mine with the

black box

> I got from Jaguar following 's instructions. He only says

to make 8

> oz. at a time. Can I make more at one batch? At this rate, I'm

going to

> have to make it every couple of days.

>

> Many thanks.

>

> Gail

> colloidal silver / high dosage

>

>

> > Hi Gail;

> >

> > If you have time, check out the silver list...

> >

> > A recent poll on that list notes that the majority of us

hardcores are

> > taking more than 4 oz. per day, but most are using +- 15 PPM, we

guess.

> >

> > Having seen beneficial effects at much higher doses, I make mine

as strong

> > as I can until it sticks to the inside of the jar. Since

Colloidal Silver

> is

> > thought to be unstable at over 35 PPM, I peg it conservatively at

that

> > level.

> >

> > It is never toxic, but can at very high levels precipitate under

the skin

> > and cause grey discoloration, something that hasn't been seen at

all in

> the

> > colloidal silver users but has been seen, though very rarely, in

abusers

> of

> > FDA-approved compounds, which CS is not.

> >

> > It enters the bloodstream readily on an empty stomach.

> >

> > People claim relief from CFS and Lyme when using silver

(anecdotal). It IS

> > absolutely known to kill organisms, given enough concentration.

> >

> > If you gulp it, bear in mind that there will be a point someday

where you

> > won't need that much. You can do the higher dosage indefinitely in

> personal

> > safety. Most is eliminated in the feces, but saturation is

important

> > meanwhile to kill the boogers.

> >

> > Me, I'd pound it for a week, then lay off for a week. If it's

going to

> work,

> > it's onnly a six-minute kill given enough concentration. It

should at

> least

> > make any infections manageable if not kill them outright.

> >

> > Store it in the cupboard at room temperature. Thn you don't need

colored

> > bottles..

> >

> > any time.

> >

> > ciao

[Guest guest]

Hi All;

Gail that PPM is parts-per-million...

Steve, the concentration of course depends on the conductivity of the water,

which varies, even if the water is distilled.

For distilled, I expect 1.5 hours per glass should get you to the 20 PPM

range, for tap water, about 20 minutes. Stir often.

OR You could modify a microwave oven, bypassing the magnetron with

high-voltage wires to your electrodes, from the capacitor and the chassis.

Carefully bleed the capacitor as a first step - it will be dangerous until

that is done. You'd get 4000 volts DC with all the safeties still

functional. Then you get a quart of very strong CS in two minutes.

ciao

Duncan

Re: Re: Digest Number 349

| |

| |

| | >

| |

| | " but still, many people are using a couple of teaspoons per day

| | (nutritional supplement levels) of colloidal silver and still expecting

| | miracles. For miracles you need 1/2 quarts....

| | > > You have to ad lib, but a good rule is to use lots of colloidal

silver

| | for

| | > > desired effect. It's pretty reliable. "

| |

| | Hi Duncan,

| |

| | Miracles, eh? Don't mind if I do!!! I have a couple of questions for

| you.

| | How long can you do the higher dosage? Yesterday I drank 2/3 cups

through

| | out the day. Is it safe to continue that amount? When does one cut

back

| to

| | the couple of teaspoons per day dosage? Is any of this EVER toxic?

Also,

| | do you have any suggestions where to get the brown or blue glass bottle

to

| | put the stuff in. I have a blue glass bottle; but it's not completely

| light

| | proof, so I taped some electrical tape around it. Well I guess that's

| more

| | than a couple of questions.

| |

| | Thanks a bunch.

| |

| | Gail

| | > >

| | > >

| | > >

| | > > ciao

| | > >

| | > > Duncan

| | > >

| | > >

| | > >

| | > >

| | > >

| | > >

| | > > ---

| |

| |

| |

| |

| | ________________________________________________________________________

| | ________________________________________________________________________

| |

| |

| |

| |

[Guest guest]

, I've not even gotten a pale yellow solution, just clear.

So, I think there is some leeway to leave the wires in the solution a

bit longer.

Duncan, thanks for the solutions timing information. I'm not sure

I'm ready to try the microwave oven idea, but it's certainly an

intriguing idea!

What's the most popular CS solution maker that works more rapidly

than the Sota unit?

Steve

> | |

> | | " but still, many people are using a couple of teaspoons per day

> | | (nutritional supplement levels) of colloidal silver and still

expecting

> | | miracles. For miracles you need 1/2 quarts....

> | | > > You have to ad lib, but a good rule is to use lots of

colloidal

> silver

> | | for

> | | > > desired effect. It's pretty reliable. "

> | |

> | | Hi Duncan,

> | |

> | | Miracles, eh? Don't mind if I do!!! I have a couple of

questions for

> | you.

> | | How long can you do the higher dosage? Yesterday I drank 2/3

cups

> through

> | | out the day. Is it safe to continue that amount? When does

one cut

> back

> | to

> | | the couple of teaspoons per day dosage? Is any of this EVER

toxic?

> Also,

> | | do you have any suggestions where to get the brown or blue

glass bottle

> to

> | | put the stuff in. I have a blue glass bottle; but it's not

completely

> | light

> | | proof, so I taped some electrical tape around it. Well I guess

that's

> | more

> | | than a couple of questions.

> | |

> | | Thanks a bunch.

> | |

> | | Gail

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > > ciao

> | | > >

> | | > > Duncan

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > >

> | | > > ---

> | |

> | |

> | |

> | |

> | |

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> | |

> | |

> | |

[Guest guest]

Steve,

is totally correct about particle size being the key factor.

The smaller the particle size for a given amount of silver the

greater the surface area covered, the quicker the kill.

Sure you can get high concentrations by using high voltage to blast

great chunks of silver off the anode, but if the increased particle

size reduces the effectiveness, what's the point?

Even with precise current control there is a limit to the

concentration you can realistically achieve. At a given point the

conductivity of the water will increase and the silver particles will

begin to collect on the cathode, in effect you are extracting silver

from the solution by plating the cathode. when the cathode starts to

darken that is pretty much as strong as it will get, and remain

effective.

I think the microwave oven idea falls in to the " Don't try this at

home, kiddies " department. Although I'm pleased that someones actually

found a practice use for the microwave, besides destroying food.

Steve

> > | |

> > | | " but still, many people are using a couple of teaspoons per

day

> > | | (nutritional supplement levels) of colloidal silver and still

> expecting

> > | | miracles. For miracles you need 1/2 quarts....

> > | | > > You have to ad lib, but a good rule is to use lots of

> colloidal

> > silver

> > | | for

> > | | > > desired effect. It's pretty reliable. "

> > | |

> > | | Hi Duncan,

> > | |

> > | | Miracles, eh? Don't mind if I do!!! I have a couple of

> questions for

> > | you.

> > | | How long can you do the higher dosage? Yesterday I drank 2/3

> cups

> > through

> > | | out the day. Is it safe to continue that amount? When does

> one cut

> > back

> > | to

> > | | the couple of teaspoons per day dosage? Is any of this EVER

> toxic?

> > Also,

> > | | do you have any suggestions where to get the brown or blue

> glass bottle

> > to

> > | | put the stuff in. I have a blue glass bottle; but it's not

> completely

> > | light

> > | | proof, so I taped some electrical tape around it. Well I

guess

> that's

> > | more

> > | | than a couple of questions.

> > | |

> > | | Thanks a bunch.

> > | |

> > | | Gail

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > > ciao

> > | | > >

> > | | > > Duncan

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > >

> > | | > > ---

> > | |

> > | |

> > | |

> > | |

> > | |

>

______________________________________________________________________

> __

> > | |

>

______________________________________________________________________

> __

> > | |

> > | |

> > | |

> > | |

[Guest guest]

Has anybody on this list tried the silver colloidal product

called Water-Oz? Supposedly the particle size is atomic vs.

micron in the CS made with the Sota units.

Ethel

steve@... wrote:

> Steve,

> is totally correct about particle size being the key factor.

> The smaller the particle size for a given amount of silver the

> greater the surface area covered, the quicker the kill.

>

> Sure you can get high concentrations by using high voltage to blast

> great chunks of silver off the anode, but if the increased particle

> size reduces the effectiveness, what's the point?

>

> Even with precise current control there is a limit to the

> concentration you can realistically achieve. At a given point the

> conductivity of the water will increase and the silver particles will

> begin to collect on the cathode, in effect you are extracting silver

> from the solution by plating the cathode. when the cathode starts to

> darken that is pretty much as strong as it will get, and remain

> effective.

>

> I think the microwave oven idea falls in to the " Don't try this at

> home, kiddies " department. Although I'm pleased that someones actually

> found a practice use for the microwave, besides destroying food.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

>>> | |

>>> | | " but still, many people are using a couple of teaspoons per

>>

> day

>

>>> | | (nutritional supplement levels) of colloidal silver and still

>>

>> expecting

>>

>>> | | miracles. For miracles you need 1/2 quarts....

>>> | | > > You have to ad lib, but a good rule is to use lots of

>>

>> colloidal

>>

>>> silver

>>> | | for

>>> | | > > desired effect. It's pretty reliable. "

>>> | |

>>> | | Hi Duncan,

>>> | |

>>> | | Miracles, eh? Don't mind if I do!!! I have a couple of

>>

>> questions for

>>

>>> | you.

>>> | | How long can you do the higher dosage? Yesterday I drank 2/3

>>

>> cups

>>

>>> through

>>> | | out the day. Is it safe to continue that amount? When does

>>

>> one cut

>>

>>> back

>>> | to

>>> | | the couple of teaspoons per day dosage? Is any of this EVER

>>

>> toxic?

>>

>>> Also,

>>> | | do you have any suggestions where to get the brown or blue

>>

>> glass bottle

>>

>>> to

>>> | | put the stuff in. I have a blue glass bottle; but it's not

>>

>> completely

>>

>>> | light

>>> | | proof, so I taped some electrical tape around it. Well I

>>

> guess

>

>> that's

>>

>>> | more

>>> | | than a couple of questions.

>>> | |

>>> | | Thanks a bunch.

>>> | |

>>> | | Gail

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > > ciao

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > > Duncan

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > >

>>> | | > > ---

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>

> ______________________________________________________________________

>

>> __

>>

>>> | |

>>

> ______________________________________________________________________

>

>> __

>>

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>> | |

>>> | |

[Guest guest]

It was my understanding that 5ppm were better than (more effective) than 15

++ ppm.

Regards

Fractionuk

>From: Snooks <emsnooks@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: colloidal silver / high

>dosage

>Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:05:41 -0500

>

>Has anybody on this list tried the silver colloidal product

>called Water-Oz? Supposedly the particle size is atomic vs.

>micron in the CS made with the Sota units.

>

>Ethel

>

>steve@... wrote:

>

> > Steve,

> > is totally correct about particle size being the key factor.

> > The smaller the particle size for a given amount of silver the

> > greater the surface area covered, the quicker the kill.

> >

> > Sure you can get high concentrations by using high voltage to blast

> > great chunks of silver off the anode, but if the increased particle

> > size reduces the effectiveness, what's the point?

> >

> > Even with precise current control there is a limit to the

> > concentration you can realistically achieve. At a given point the

> > conductivity of the water will increase and the silver particles will

> > begin to collect on the cathode, in effect you are extracting silver

> > from the solution by plating the cathode. when the cathode starts to

> > darken that is pretty much as strong as it will get, and remain

> > effective.

> >

> > I think the microwave oven idea falls in to the " Don't try this at

> > home, kiddies " department. Although I'm pleased that someones actually

> > found a practice use for the microwave, besides destroying food.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>> | |

> >>> | | " but still, many people are using a couple of teaspoons per

> >>

> > day

> >

> >>> | | (nutritional supplement levels) of colloidal silver and still

> >>

> >> expecting

> >>

> >>> | | miracles. For miracles you need 1/2 quarts....

> >>> | | > > You have to ad lib, but a good rule is to use lots of

> >>

> >> colloidal

> >>

> >>> silver

> >>> | | for

> >>> | | > > desired effect. It's pretty reliable. "

> >>> | |

> >>> | | Hi Duncan,

> >>> | |

> >>> | | Miracles, eh? Don't mind if I do!!! I have a couple of

> >>

> >> questions for

> >>

> >>> | you.

> >>> | | How long can you do the higher dosage? Yesterday I drank 2/3

> >>

> >> cups

> >>

> >>> through

> >>> | | out the day. Is it safe to continue that amount? When does

> >>

> >> one cut

> >>

> >>> back

> >>> | to

> >>> | | the couple of teaspoons per day dosage? Is any of this EVER

> >>

> >> toxic?

> >>

> >>> Also,

> >>> | | do you have any suggestions where to get the brown or blue

> >>

> >> glass bottle

> >>

> >>> to

> >>> | | put the stuff in. I have a blue glass bottle; but it's not

> >>

> >> completely

> >>

> >>> | light

> >>> | | proof, so I taped some electrical tape around it. Well I

> >>

> > guess

> >

> >> that's

> >>

> >>> | more

> >>> | | than a couple of questions.

> >>> | |

> >>> | | Thanks a bunch.

> >>> | |

> >>> | | Gail

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > > ciao

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > > Duncan

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > >

> >>> | | > > ---

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>

> > ______________________________________________________________________

> >

> >> __

> >>

> >>> | |

> >>

> > ______________________________________________________________________

> >

> >> __

> >>

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

> >>> | |

[Guest guest]

<<<<There's also a body of research abstracts and reports, compiled on that

list

by Terry Wayne.>>>>

I posted these reports in the " FILES " section on the homepage of this group

if anyone is interested.

Dotsie

[Guest guest]

Hi ;

I don't use SOTA units to make the colloidal silver, although we have one.

Takes too long. Whatever the SOTA limitations are can be circumvented by

making your own unit. Several folks on the silver list use a neon sign

transformer at about 10,000 volts, or a TV flyback at 25,000 to 31,000

volts. Admittedly, not for the faint-hearted.

In the case of my 4000 volt circuit, curent-limiting is accomplished by

a) the distance of the electrodes,

resistivity of the water, and

c) the time of exposure. (1.8 minutes per quart) and

d) surface area of the silver electrode (6.25 square inches per side, 12.5

square inches total)

I also stir the batch three or 4 times.

There's enough power there to warm the batch about 10 degrees F. The

colloidal silver, though it is very strong, never changes color until it

cools, then goes pale yellow overnight. Yes, that's a larger particle than

the clear colloid achieved initially, but the concentration is high enough

to do the work required. Reliably too.

Let's not discuss ionic vs. particulate forms of colloidal silver. Most

peoples' batches are primarily ionic, but nearly all contain both particles

and ions. The research abstracts do show that larger particles indeed have

healthful benefits. Swallowing a coin ....( a Very Large Particle) helped

Roman soldiers avoid dysentery. Anyway, agglomeration (silver sticking to

silver ions AFTER the batch has been made) is a very weak bond that has been

shown to break apart again in the acidic stomach.

Different strokes, . The point is that when a swift and sure kill is

required you can simply up the concentration or drink 2.5 times as much. I

want STRONG colloidal silver because I know it works and it works reliably.

For a more complete discussion I'd refer you to the silver list where all of

this has been well-covered.

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ciao

Duncan

|

| Sota doesn't recommend you attempt higher concentrations than pale yellow

with their unit. At higher concentrations with their unit the current rises

and the particle size gets bigger . Higher particle size does not have the

healthful benefits.

|

| Are you aware of this, Duncan? Do you have Current limits on your unit?

|

| P.

|

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