RE: help please?

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kathy

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Verna,

I am so sorry that you were having such trouble last night, and I hope you

made it through to this morning without a trip to the ER.

Yes, what you are describing sounds like a withdrawal problem from stopping

the Zoloft without weaning. It is now recognized that stopping SSRIs

abruptly

can lead to SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome. There can even be problems should

you try to taper off an SSRI. I would contact your doctor immediately for

advice.

Zoloft (sertraline) and Wellbutrin (bupropion) are both antidepressants,

but they work in different ways. Zoloft is considered to be a

serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). Wellbutrin is newer, and I'm

not sure if it is in a named category yet, but it is not thought to be an

SSRI.

From the little I read on the Web about Zoloft, withdrawal problems are

quite common and fit your description of your symptoms. I hope you can talk

to your doctor soon and get some help. I wish I could advise you further,

but I can't. I have no experience with either drug, and, since I'm not a

pharmacist or doctor and I don't know all the details of your particular

situation, it would be unwise for me to guess and for you to listen to me.

I am so sorry!

Here are some links that may help you:

On Zoloft:

http://rx.com/reference/factsheets/detail.jhtml?leafletname=sertraline

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/bupropionsystemic202098.html

On Wellbutrin:

http://rx.com/reference/factsheets/detail.jhtml?leafletname=bupropion

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/bupropionsystemic202098.html

On antidepressants:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~lataylor/antideplist.html

On SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome:

http://biopsychiatry.com/ssridiscon.htm

http://www.enw.org/Research-SSRI.htm

http://is.dal.ca/~pru/intervie.htm

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ssri000524.html

Good luck, Verna, and please let us know what happens. I hope you will also

ask your doctors how to best contact them in case of a future emergency like

this one.

----- Original Message -----

From: <vjbear73@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:44 PM

Subject: [ ] help please?

> Hi,

>

> It is 10:30 at night and of course there is no doctor available.

> I am having weird feelings and I don't know what to do. Can anyone

> help? My dr has changed my med from zoloft to wellbutrin. She did

> not say anything about tapering off the zoloft, I just stopped zoloft

> and started wellbutrin. I am at 150 mg of wellbutrin and will go up

> to 300 on Saturday. But I feel like I having withdrawal or something?

> I feel shakey, like my insides are shaking, my head has a weird buzz,

> like if you move your head too fast you get dizzy. Just shakey all

> over, inside and out. Not feeling good at all.

>

> , any help for me? Would it be ok to take another wellbutrin

> tonight instead of waiting til Saturday? Is wellbutrin the same kind

> of med as zoloft? Am i having withdrawal from zoloft? I don't know

> what to do.

>

> This happened a couple of years ago when I went off serzone and I had

> a big crash and ended up in the hospital. I don't want to do that

> again. I am having the same feelings of weirdness, shakiness.

>

> Verna

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Verna,

I am so sorry that you were having such trouble last night, and I hope you

made it through to this morning without a trip to the ER.

Yes, what you are describing sounds like a withdrawal problem from stopping

the Zoloft without weaning. It is now recognized that stopping SSRIs

abruptly

can lead to SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome. There can even be problems should

you try to taper off an SSRI. I would contact your doctor immediately for

advice.

Zoloft (sertraline) and Wellbutrin (bupropion) are both antidepressants,

but they work in different ways. Zoloft is considered to be a

serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitor (SSRI). Wellbutrin is newer, and I'm

not sure if it is in a named category yet, but it is not thought to be an

SSRI.

From the little I read on the Web about Zoloft, withdrawal problems are

quite common and fit your description of your symptoms. I hope you can talk

to your doctor soon and get some help. I wish I could advise you further,

but I can't. I have no experience with either drug, and, since I'm not a

pharmacist or doctor and I don't know all the details of your particular

situation, it would be unwise for me to guess and for you to listen to me.

I am so sorry!

Here are some links that may help you:

On Zoloft:

http://rx.com/reference/factsheets/detail.jhtml?leafletname=sertraline

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/bupropionsystemic202098.html

On Wellbutrin:

http://rx.com/reference/factsheets/detail.jhtml?leafletname=bupropion

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/bupropionsystemic202098.html

On antidepressants:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~lataylor/antideplist.html

On SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome:

http://biopsychiatry.com/ssridiscon.htm

http://www.enw.org/Research-SSRI.htm

http://is.dal.ca/~pru/intervie.htm

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ssri000524.html

Good luck, Verna, and please let us know what happens. I hope you will also

ask your doctors how to best contact them in case of a future emergency like

this one.

----- Original Message -----

From: <vjbear73@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:44 PM

Subject: [ ] help please?

> Hi,

>

> It is 10:30 at night and of course there is no doctor available.

> I am having weird feelings and I don't know what to do. Can anyone

> help? My dr has changed my med from zoloft to wellbutrin. She did

> not say anything about tapering off the zoloft, I just stopped zoloft

> and started wellbutrin. I am at 150 mg of wellbutrin and will go up

> to 300 on Saturday. But I feel like I having withdrawal or something?

> I feel shakey, like my insides are shaking, my head has a weird buzz,

> like if you move your head too fast you get dizzy. Just shakey all

> over, inside and out. Not feeling good at all.

>

> , any help for me? Would it be ok to take another wellbutrin

> tonight instead of waiting til Saturday? Is wellbutrin the same kind

> of med as zoloft? Am i having withdrawal from zoloft? I don't know

> what to do.

>

> This happened a couple of years ago when I went off serzone and I had

> a big crash and ended up in the hospital. I don't want to do that

> again. I am having the same feelings of weirdness, shakiness.

>

> Verna

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Verna,

I'm sorry or I wasn't online last night to answer you. When one stops

Zoloft too rapidly a withdrawal syndrome may develop. Among the symptoms that

may be experienced are nausea, tremors, lightheadedness, muscle pains, weakness,

insomnia, and anxiety. While most people coming off Zoloft have none of these

symptoms, some people do have one or more. The withdrawal symptoms usually last

1-2 weeks but in some instances they may gradually decrease over a period as

long as a month. It is generally recommended that one taper off this medication

gradually under a doctor's supervision.

http://depression.about.com/health/depression/library/weekly/aa050498.htm?iam=dp\

ile & terms=%2Bzoloft+%2Bwithdrawal

It is NOT ok to take another Wellbutrin! The normal starting dose of

Wellbutrin is 150mg in the morning.

Gradual escalation is important to minimize the risk of seizures.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/buprop_ids.htm

Since you are having side effects, and who knows if it is from the Zoloft

withdrawal or a Wellbutrin side effect, I would contact your doctor immediately.

Please let us know what he says.

hugs,

a

-----Original Message-----

From: vjbear73@... [mailto:vjbear73@...]

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:45 PM

Subject: [ ] help please?

Hi,

It is 10:30 at night and of course there is no doctor available.

I am having weird feelings and I don't know what to do. Can anyone

help? My dr has changed my med from zoloft to wellbutrin. She did

not say anything about tapering off the zoloft, I just stopped zoloft

and started wellbutrin. I am at 150 mg of wellbutrin and will go up

to 300 on Saturday. But I feel like I having withdrawal or something?

I feel shakey, like my insides are shaking, my head has a weird buzz,

like if you move your head too fast you get dizzy. Just shakey all

over, inside and out. Not feeling good at all.

, any help for me? Would it be ok to take another wellbutrin

tonight instead of waiting til Saturday? Is wellbutrin the same kind

of med as zoloft? Am i having withdrawal from zoloft? I don't know

what to do.

This happened a couple of years ago when I went off serzone and I had

a big crash and ended up in the hospital. I don't want to do that

again. I am having the same feelings of weirdness, shakiness.

Verna

[Guest guest]

What protocol do you use for ALA? How often do you give it to your

child?

Thanks,

Pam

> >

> > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low

dosage

> > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals

> > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA

> at

> > all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might

not

> be

> > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a

> large

> > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little.

> But

> > too, his dr. had a random test done which was the morning after

> the

> > very last dosage.

> > With all 3 tests done so far, he is pulling more nickel and lead

> > than anything else. Maybe these have to go first before a big

> > mercury pull? And the nickel, I think it's coming from his

> sterling

> > silver caps on his teeth. All his molars are sterling silver

caps.

> > And he has one space maintainer.

> > But also, before we ever started chelation, we did the Bentonite

> > clay baths. Is it possible that he pulled more than thought in

the

> > baths? And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being

> > expelled through his stool? And since that was not tested maybe

we

> > are missing something.

> > I really have to call his dr. tomorrow and get an explanation

and

> > stuff. I just don't feel comfortable going ahead with ALA after

> only

> > 6 rounds. And 3 of the rounds she doesn't even know about. She

> only

> > knows that he's had 3 rounds so far.

> >

> > Any advice or experts out there? advice is just fine with me

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Trish

> >

>

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>

> Trish,

> If it helps you to feel any better, we have been using ALA right

> from round one with my 3.5 year old. DMSA is not known to pull a lot

> of mercury but mainly other metals.

Unless something has changed, DMSA chelates mercury just fine

and lots of people, kids and adults, use it for mercury.

It is mainly for extracellular mercury - same is true for

DMPS. ALA chelates intracellular and brain mercury.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage

> protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals

> tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at

> all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow?

As long as there hasn't been a recent (within 3 months) exposure to

Hg, doing ALA is fine.

Nell

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Trish (and others)

Is all that metal in his mouth OK for chelation? I realize they

aren't amalgams.

If so, don't be scared of Alpha lipoic acid. For us, it meant a

huge increase in progress when ALA was added to our DMSA regimen.

You can certainly wait a few more weeks. Perhaps until after the

first round of labs (CBC/metabolic panel to check liver/kidney

function). We did our testing after the first 6 rounds. That way,

you could rest assured he is tolerating DMSA (physically) before

adding something else. Just a thought.

You could be right about more mercury showing up in the stool.

However, I would also base success more on the behavior

changes/physical changes than a particular test result. That being

said, does your doc use DDI hair tests?

I doubt there is a perfect time to add ALA. I'm actually pretty

impressed that your doc uses ALA! I don't seem to hear ALA

discussed much on the groups like CK2 who all use DAN! docs.

Were you supposed to do DMSA on the 3/11 schedule and you chose the

3/4 schedule? Is that where the extra rounds come in to play?

I'd listen to what your doc has to say about ALA. You are already

using the low/slow method, so you can start with minimal amounts of

oral ALA and go from there. You might be surprised!

Take care,

Pam

>

> Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage

> protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals

> tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA

at

> all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not

be

> pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a

large

> amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little.

But

> too, his dr. had a random test done which was the morning after

the

> very last dosage.

> With all 3 tests done so far, he is pulling more nickel and lead

> than anything else. Maybe these have to go first before a big

> mercury pull? And the nickel, I think it's coming from his

sterling

> silver caps on his teeth. All his molars are sterling silver caps.

> And he has one space maintainer.

> But also, before we ever started chelation, we did the Bentonite

> clay baths. Is it possible that he pulled more than thought in the

> baths? And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being

> expelled through his stool? And since that was not tested maybe we

> are missing something.

> I really have to call his dr. tomorrow and get an explanation and

> stuff. I just don't feel comfortable going ahead with ALA after

only

> 6 rounds. And 3 of the rounds she doesn't even know about. She

only

> knows that he's had 3 rounds so far.

>

> Any advice or experts out there? advice is just fine with me

>

> Thanks,

> Trish

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage

> protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals

> tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at

> all.

Why? ALA is the only chelator I used for four kids.

>> Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not be

> pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a large

> amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little.

Mercury is commonly the last metal to come out. So yes, the DMSA is

probably pulling other metals first.

>>And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being

> expelled through his stool?

DMSA pulls thru the urine. ALA pulls thru the stool.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Okay, I feel much better now! I guess the reason why I was scared to

start ALA is because I thought that if he had too much mercury in

his body that by using ALA it might redistribute to his brain and

possibly cause more damage. But we will be using dmsa + ala so that

should be fine. I had the thought over and over that he is ready for

ala so perhaps it's time. Thanks for all your posts.

He is due for another round this weekend and the only brand of ALA i

have right now is Blue Bonnet? Has anyone heard of that brand or

used it? I just bought it a while ago just incase but I want to make

sure it's a good brand before i use it on my son. I got it for

myself thinking some time ago after I replaced all my amalgams. Next

round, I am planning to do all transdermal. And too I have to call

and remind his dr. that he is on the low dosage protocol. She forgot

and called in 100mg dmsa and ala for my son. But I'll just have to

remind her.

Thanks everyone,

Trish

Oh, to answer the other questions... Yes, I have seen positive

changes in my son using the low dosage protocol of dmsa. He is now

riding a bicycle w/training wheels which he wouldn't do before plus

he is playing with his little sister more. And he also will get in a

pool now. So, yeah, we are seeing good things so far!

> >

> > Trish,

> > If it helps you to feel any better, we have been using ALA right

> > from round one with my 3.5 year old. DMSA is not known to pull a

lot

> > of mercury but mainly other metals.

>

> Unless something has changed, DMSA chelates mercury just fine

> and lots of people, kids and adults, use it for mercury.

> It is mainly for extracellular mercury - same is true for

> DMPS. ALA chelates intracellular and brain mercury.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

We are using dmsa for my 23 mo. old daughter, and she is pulling

mercury in higher amounts than all the other metals except lead.

Jeni Lynn

> >

> > Trish,

> > If it helps you to feel any better, we have been using ALA right

> > from round one with my 3.5 year old. DMSA is not known to pull a

lot

> > of mercury but mainly other metals.

>

> Unless something has changed, DMSA chelates mercury just fine

> and lots of people, kids and adults, use it for mercury.

> It is mainly for extracellular mercury - same is true for

> DMPS. ALA chelates intracellular and brain mercury.

>

> --

>