Re: First message and note to

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Hello Jane, would you say then, that had you known about the food

intolerances that you might have kept your gallbladder?

Are you still doing flushes?

And what exactly was the article you read?

Thanks! laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " Jane Moran " <Jane.Moran@...>

" Gallstones " <gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:08 PM

Subject: First message and note to

> This is the first time that I have sent a message to this group. So, I

apologise if I am

> asking things that have already been covered previously.

> I had my gallbladder removed twelve years ago and was assured by the

surgeon that it

> would solve all my problems. Sorry, to I don't want to spoil any

optimism you may

> feel, but it didn't give me my old life back. I built up again until two

years ago the

> pain was again so bad that I was driven to go back to the doctor.But, I

just could not

> face going through all that again.

> I used a grapefruit and olive oil flush very sucessfully, but the stones

kept coming back.

> (I should mention at this point that it makes me really mad when I keep

being told to cut

> down on my fat, as this is causing the problem, I must be the only person

who actually

> prefers skimmed milk, hates cheese and cream, eats v. little meat with no

fat on- you may

> be getting the picture, so , I say this to the doctor/nurse etc., and they

say it must be

> genetic then!!! what a cop out that phrase is. That means they have no

idea why you keep

> getting stones). RANT, RANT!!

> Then, I read an article on the net (I just love the net), it was from

1949, suggesting

> that a huge variety of digestive problems, are caused by food

intolerances.(Sorry, if this

> has come up before). So, I tried eliminating small groups of food at a

time, while taking

> a very good multivitamin. It has taken me nearly 18 months to track down

some of them ,

> but I can't tolerate wheat, eggs, onions, tomatoes, pork, lamb and a few

other things just

> give me a bit of indigestion. I still feel that I have one more to find as

my daily pain

> level is barely noticeable, but not quite gone.

> Has anyone had a similar experience or any ideas,I am going to try the

other cereals next

> I think.

> Good, luck , with your op. I believe they always do the keyhole

surgery now, which is

> a lot easier to recover from.

> Bye from

> Jane.

>

>

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<< Good, luck , with your op. I believe they always do the keyhole

surgery now, which is

a lot easier to recover from. >>

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Hello,

glad to find out that you're doing better. I have tried not to write about

this, but here it goes.

No! GB surgery does not always help at all, and the so-called " keyhole "

surgery is not always easy. I did a survey of friends when I first started

having this problem with my GB to find out the pros and cons of GB surgery.

Here's the scoop.

I just recently called a good friend of mine who I worked at the hospital

with for 8 1/2 years. She had GB surgery after putting it off for a long

time. She just didn't wish to have surgery and tried a healthy diet and

never even heard of the cleanse. If she had heard of it at that time, I'm

100 percent sure she would have tried it. Anyway, she started off by saying

her digestion is just terrible. She can't even eat the foods that she loves

anymore like lettuce, she can't handle it. So now salads are out. It messes

up her digestion horribly. Also, she still has pain and she has diarrhea all

the time now. Always has the runs after everything she eats, even just

snacks.

Plus, she couldn't have the keyhole surgery, but had to have the major one.

Then she went on to tell me about her 30-year-old daughter who had GB surgery

not too long after her. Her daughter had the keyhole surgery, and after the

surgery while she was at home recovering, just kept getting sicker and

sicker. She had started leaking bile into her abdomen and it was making her

very ill and turning yellow from the bile. Well, they had to careflight her

to a major hospital in a big city, I won't say which. Then she had to stay

in ICU for several weeks to get her better before they could do a second

surgery on her to find the leaking.

Yes, she's out and fine now after a very long illness, and it took her time

to build up any strength. She really was fortunate they could find the leak

and fix it.

Then I've talked to a lady at the health food store that I frequently go to.

She had GB surgery several years ago. Her exact words to me are: " If I had

just known what I now know, I would never, never have had the surgery, ever! "

See, she's all messed up. She can't eat so many things now it's unreal and

still has pain. She drinks 1 pint or more of aleo vera juice every day cuz

of her stomach and the immense about of acid in it since the surgery. She

can't eat wheat, lettuce and many other things. I'll ask her how something

is, she says, " Oh, I can't have that either! " She said to me, do what you

can to avoid the surgery.

This is just a couple of people. My husband actually has talked to one

person who is glad they had the GB surgery. I haven't talked to anyone who

is glad. I'm sure there are some people who are glad, just I haven't talked

to them.

I will also say that in Dr. Cabot's books, she explains that those who must

have GB surgery have an extremely difficult time with their livers, having

fatty livers. It is just almost something that is going to happen to you if

you have your GB removed. Then you MUST always be on a special diet to fight

that. This is something that modern-day medicine -- if one wishes to call it

medicine -- doesn't tell you. So be prepared.

Sorry to put this on anyone who is having surgery. It's something to think

about, and I would be prepared. There is no such thing as " an easy surgery, "

never. All surgery is hard on your system. I know, I've had surgery several

times in the past. Nothing is ever the same again, so weigh everything

before you do it, please.

I have a friend who is probably in his 60s now. He had a severe gall bladder

attack over 10 years ago. This is the first person that I ever heard about

the cleanse from and it stuck in my mind. I talked to him back in about

July, and he's still doing his cleanses every year. Sometimes he has to do

it twice, but he hasn't had anymore attacks.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

That's really interesting about the food tollerance. I have been in

quite a bit of pain for over a week now, to the point that I'm eating

very small and light meals because I'm just not hungry. Today, I

don't really have any pain, just discomfort. It makes sense that I

might have food intollerances too, since my diet has completely

changed over the last week and the pain is abating. Thanks for the

info...

To everyone: Is this just wishfull thinking on my part, so that I

can avoid the doctor, or is this perhaps the normal cycle of

a " gallbladder attack " . Do they attack and then fade away, or are

they constant until you fix the problem?

Thanks,

Tal

> This is the first time that I have sent a message to this group.

So, I apologise if I am

> asking things that have already been covered previously.

> I had my gallbladder removed twelve years ago and was assured by

the surgeon that it

> would solve all my problems. Sorry, to I don't want to spoil

any optimism you may

> feel, but it didn't give me my old life back. I built up again

until two years ago the

> pain was again so bad that I was driven to go back to the

doctor.But, I just could not

> face going through all that again.

> I used a grapefruit and olive oil flush very sucessfully, but the

stones kept coming back.

> (I should mention at this point that it makes me really mad when I

keep being told to cut

> down on my fat, as this is causing the problem, I must be the only

person who actually

> prefers skimmed milk, hates cheese and cream, eats v. little meat

with no fat on- you may

> be getting the picture, so , I say this to the doctor/nurse etc.,

and they say it must be

> genetic then!!! what a cop out that phrase is. That means they have

no idea why you keep

> getting stones). RANT, RANT!!

> Then, I read an article on the net (I just love the net), it was

from 1949, suggesting

> that a huge variety of digestive problems, are caused by food

intolerances.(Sorry, if this

> has come up before). So, I tried eliminating small groups of food

at a time, while taking

> a very good multivitamin. It has taken me nearly 18 months to track

down some of them ,

> but I can't tolerate wheat, eggs, onions, tomatoes, pork, lamb and

a few other things just

> give me a bit of indigestion. I still feel that I have one more to

find as my daily pain

> level is barely noticeable, but not quite gone.

> Has anyone had a similar experience or any ideas,I am going to try

the other cereals next

> I think.

> Good, luck , with your op. I believe they always do the keyhole

surgery now, which is

> a lot easier to recover from.

> Bye from

> Jane.

[Guest guest]

Jane,

quick question, when you had your surgery, was a cholangiogram done?

Debra

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>>Here's the scoop.<<

That would scare me, too, if I knew people with those experiences, but I can

honestly say that the many, many people I know who have had this surgey have

all had experiences similar to mine. I have never felt better, and my

digestion is great. If I had known I would feel this good, I would have

done it a year earlier.

I have no doubt that their are some lousy surgeons out there. If anyone

finds themselves at a point where surgery seems like the best option for

them, I would suggest thouroughly checking out your surgeon. I was too

panicky to do this, but was just lucky. I did not really start hearing how

highly people thought of him until after my surgery.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I went through a period of just not being hungry and even now I eat very

little

compared to people I know.I'm not entirely sure what this is all about, but it

does get

better if you can sort your diet out. You can try doing a food and drink diary

(write down

everything you eat and drink and your symptoms for the day- I found it useful to

do a pain

grading system, so that when I looked back I had some real indication of how bad

the pain

was that day). Then, see if you can see a pattern in pain and food.Sometimes

it's more

than one food , so it can be tricky.(patience)

There are suspect foods like-pork, onions, egg, wheat, cow's milk, but it can be

anything.

Yes, you can get periods where you have constant pain and then it seems to

almost go, this

is when stones move around and cause blockages and then pass through. Try

drinking a glass

of apple juice every day, it keeps the stones softer so that you don't get so

much pain.

I am going to put the source of the article where I first found out about all

this in

's reply, if you are interested. (If, you do read it, it is interesting to

note that

my brother suffers from Crohne's disease-is this a coincidence or is there a

pattern

here?- it must be genetic he! he!)

Bye from Jane.

-----Original Message-----

From: kpetty@... [mailto:kpetty@...]

Sent: 29 March 2001 23:31

gallstones

Subject: Re: First message and note to

That's really interesting about the food tollerance. I have been in

quite a bit of pain for over a week now, to the point that I'm eating

very small and light meals because I'm just not hungry. Today, I

don't really have any pain, just discomfort. It makes sense that I

might have food intollerances too, since my diet has completely

changed over the last week and the pain is abating. Thanks for the

info...

To everyone: Is this just wishfull thinking on my part, so that I

can avoid the doctor, or is this perhaps the normal cycle of

a " gallbladder attack " . Do they attack and then fade away, or are

they constant until you fix the problem?

Thanks,

Tal

> This is the first time that I have sent a message to this group.

So, I apologise if I am

> asking things that have already been covered previously.

> I had my gallbladder removed twelve years ago and was assured by

the surgeon that it

> would solve all my problems. Sorry, to I don't want to spoil

any optimism you may

> feel, but it didn't give me my old life back. I built up again

until two years ago the

> pain was again so bad that I was driven to go back to the

doctor.But, I just could not

> face going through all that again.

> I used a grapefruit and olive oil flush very sucessfully, but the

stones kept coming back.

> (I should mention at this point that it makes me really mad when I

keep being told to cut

> down on my fat, as this is causing the problem, I must be the only

person who actually

> prefers skimmed milk, hates cheese and cream, eats v. little meat

with no fat on- you may

> be getting the picture, so , I say this to the doctor/nurse etc.,

and they say it must be

> genetic then!!! what a cop out that phrase is. That means they have

no idea why you keep

> getting stones). RANT, RANT!!

> Then, I read an article on the net (I just love the net), it was

from 1949, suggesting

> that a huge variety of digestive problems, are caused by food

intolerances.(Sorry, if this

> has come up before). So, I tried eliminating small groups of food

at a time, while taking

> a very good multivitamin. It has taken me nearly 18 months to track

down some of them ,

> but I can't tolerate wheat, eggs, onions, tomatoes, pork, lamb and

a few other things just

> give me a bit of indigestion. I still feel that I have one more to

find as my daily pain

> level is barely noticeable, but not quite gone.

> Has anyone had a similar experience or any ideas,I am going to try

the other cereals next

> I think.

> Good, luck , with your op. I believe they always do the keyhole

surgery now, which is

> a lot easier to recover from.

> Bye from

> Jane.

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To answer 's question, no, I definately would not have had surgery, it

didn't solve

my problem, as I was promised, the stones just came back again and had nowhere

to live.

I did mention to my doctor several times over the years that I was still having

pain,

alost as if I hadn't had my gallbladder removed and he just kept fobbing me

off.(Oh, it's

just one of those post surgery things isn't it!)

Yes, I still do a flush once a month as a precaution.I have never starved myself

with a

flush though. I read somewhere that dieting or starving yourself can actually

cause

stones.

I do a flush, where I squeeze the juice from half a grapefruit and mix it with 3

tablespoons of olive oil, take last thing at night and then first thing in the

morning,

for three days. I also always have a glass of apple juice every day. I think

people have

to find what suits them personally, but that might work for someone. One size

does not fit

all!! I sound like a dress salesperson!

The article was " The Role of Hidden Food Allergy/Intolerance in Chronic

Disease " , by Alan

R. Gaby, M.D. www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/allergy3-2.html

It's a real eye opener. Also, just a bit of info I picked up somewhere else.

Some research

was done into this topic in USA, but unfortunately it was funded by the food

industry and

they didn't like the results, so they sat on it. Nothing like a bit of it

doesn't matter

how much people suffer as long as we make a profit selling our product, is

there? sorry

I'm ranting again,I don't know why , but these things make me very angry.

Hope this is of interest to you.

By the way does anyone else get a red itchy rash when they have an attack? I'm

not sure if

this is a gb thing or an intolerance thing or is it both. Confused? you soon

will be.

Bye from Jane.

-----Original Message-----

From: robert mcmullan [mailto:mcfam12@...]

Sent: 29 March 2001 23:13

gallstones

Subject: Re: First message and note to

Hello Jane, would you say then, that had you known about the food

intolerances that you might have kept your gallbladder?

Are you still doing flushes?

And what exactly was the article you read?

Thanks! laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " Jane Moran " <Jane.Moran@...>

" Gallstones " <gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 3:08 PM

Subject: First message and note to

> This is the first time that I have sent a message to this group. So, I

apologise if I am

> asking things that have already been covered previously.

> I had my gallbladder removed twelve years ago and was assured by the

surgeon that it

> would solve all my problems. Sorry, to I don't want to spoil any

optimism you may

> feel, but it didn't give me my old life back. I built up again until two

years ago the

> pain was again so bad that I was driven to go back to the doctor.But, I

just could not

> face going through all that again.

> I used a grapefruit and olive oil flush very sucessfully, but the stones

kept coming back.

> (I should mention at this point that it makes me really mad when I keep

being told to cut

> down on my fat, as this is causing the problem, I must be the only person

who actually

> prefers skimmed milk, hates cheese and cream, eats v. little meat with no

fat on- you may

> be getting the picture, so , I say this to the doctor/nurse etc., and they

say it must be

> genetic then!!! what a cop out that phrase is. That means they have no

idea why you keep

> getting stones). RANT, RANT!!

> Then, I read an article on the net (I just love the net), it was from

1949, suggesting

> that a huge variety of digestive problems, are caused by food

intolerances.(Sorry, if this

> has come up before). So, I tried eliminating small groups of food at a

time, while taking

> a very good multivitamin. It has taken me nearly 18 months to track down

some of them ,

> but I can't tolerate wheat, eggs, onions, tomatoes, pork, lamb and a few

other things just

> give me a bit of indigestion. I still feel that I have one more to find as

my daily pain

> level is barely noticeable, but not quite gone.

> Has anyone had a similar experience or any ideas,I am going to try the

other cereals next

> I think.

> Good, luck , with your op. I believe they always do the keyhole

surgery now, which is

> a lot easier to recover from.

> Bye from

> Jane.

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane! This eases my mind a lot. I'm off to read the article

now.

Taliba

> Yes, I went through a period of just not being hungry and even now