Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Hi Elena, Since you and I discussed the weight gain thing earlier, and the fears of starting these meds, I'll keep you updated. If I remember right, you're close to my age (23)...maybe we'll react similarly - who knows? I started on 40mgs Pred, and 50mg Imuran one week ago today. So far, so good. A couple aches here and there, but nothing serious. I don't feel very different really, but it may be too soon to tell. My doctors are aiming to get me off the Pred in two months (ideal case scenario), and keep me on Imuran for two years in remission. If this all goes as plans, I'll go off the drugs at this time. Hopefully! I'll let you know if I get any crazy side effects. >From: Elena P <brit71@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] 48 Hours >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > > >Hi all, > >I just wanted to tell you about the episode of 48 >hours I saw last night. It really affected me and >havent stopped thinking about it. It was about an >adorable little 5 year old girl who was born without a >digestive system. She did however, have a liver but >itwas deteriorating. She was put on a waiting list for >a 5 organ transplant. The little girl always had a >smile on her face even though she was slowly dying. >Luckily, just in time, she found a donor, and went >through the 5 organ transplant and of course woke up >with a smile on her face. She recovered, but >unfortunatley a year later died of a lung infection. > >It really was so sad and made me feel ashamed about >the fact of not wanting to go on meds because of the >weight gain, at least i have a chance and an option. I >also am lucky that i have had a chance to live a happy >fun life. This little girl only had 6 years. > >I hope everyone is well, >Take care >Elena > >=== >Elena AIH >San Diego, CA >_________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Hi all, I just wanted to tell you about the episode of 48 hours I saw last night. It really affected me and havent stopped thinking about it. It was about an adorable little 5 year old girl who was born without a digestive system. She did however, have a liver but itwas deteriorating. She was put on a waiting list for a 5 organ transplant. The little girl always had a smile on her face even though she was slowly dying. Luckily, just in time, she found a donor, and went through the 5 organ transplant and of course woke up with a smile on her face. She recovered, but unfortunatley a year later died of a lung infection. It really was so sad and made me feel ashamed about the fact of not wanting to go on meds because of the weight gain, at least i have a chance and an option. I also am lucky that i have had a chance to live a happy fun life. This little girl only had 6 years. I hope everyone is well, Take care Elena === Elena AIH San Diego, CA _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Hi , Yes your right we are close in age, im 27. I appreciate you keeping me updated as i would be interested in how it affects you. What were your enzyme level just before you started on meds? Take care Elena --- emily simpson <esimpson7@...> wrote: > From: emily simpson <esimpson7@...> > > Hi Elena, > > Since you and I discussed the weight gain thing > earlier, and the fears of > starting these meds, I'll keep you updated. If I > remember right, you're > close to my age (23)...maybe we'll react similarly - > who knows? I started > on 40mgs Pred, and 50mg Imuran one week ago today. > So far, so good. A > couple aches here and there, but nothing serious. I > don't feel very > different really, but it may be too soon to tell. > My doctors are aiming to > get me off the Pred in two months (ideal case > scenario), and keep me on > Imuran for two years in remission. If this all goes > as plans, I'll go off > the drugs at this time. Hopefully! I'll let you > know if I get any crazy > side effects. > > > > > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > >Reply- onelist > > onelist > >Subject: Re: [ ] 48 Hours > >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I just wanted to tell you about the episode of 48 > >hours I saw last night. It really affected me and > >havent stopped thinking about it. It was about an > >adorable little 5 year old girl who was born > without a > >digestive system. She did however, have a liver but > >itwas deteriorating. She was put on a waiting list > for > >a 5 organ transplant. The little girl always had a > >smile on her face even though she was slowly dying. > >Luckily, just in time, she found a donor, and went > >through the 5 organ transplant and of course woke > up > >with a smile on her face. She recovered, but > >unfortunatley a year later died of a lung > infection. > > > >It really was so sad and made me feel ashamed about > >the fact of not wanting to go on meds because of > the > >weight gain, at least i have a chance and an > option. I > >also am lucky that i have had a chance to live a > happy > >fun life. This little girl only had 6 years. > > > >I hope everyone is well, > >Take care > >Elena > > > >=== > >Elena AIH > >San Diego, CA > >_________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Elena, You strike me as a sensitive intelligent person and I understand this fight within yourself about whether to go on the meds or not. It would have been harder for me in many ways to handle if I were single and your age. (I believe you said you were in your twenties.) But, as I have mentioned before, although I would be the first to say prednisone is no cake walk, I am grateful and feel blessed that there is a treatment that is effective with most people. There are things you can do to minimize the side effects of prednisone to some extent and maybe that's where you should put your focus. Roxanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Roxanne, Thanks for your kind words. Yes, I should also be grateful there is an effective drug for us to take. Hopefully I will come to a solution soon. I hope you are well Elena --- CREE8V1@... wrote: > From: CREE8V1@... > > Elena, > > You strike me as a sensitive intelligent person and > I understand this fight > within yourself about whether to go on the meds or > not. It would have been > harder for me in many ways to handle if I were > single and your age. (I > believe you said you were in your twenties.) But, > as I have mentioned > before, although I would be the first to say > prednisone is no cake walk, I am > grateful and feel blessed that there is a treatment > that is effective with > most people. There are things you can do to > minimize the side effects of > prednisone to some extent and maybe that's where you > should put your focus. > > Roxanne > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 Hi Elena, My AST and ALT levels were over 400. Stage 4 inflammation. Unsure about scarring (the doctors have all told me something different)! I'll be sure to keep you updated though!!! >From: Elena P <brit71@...> >Reply- onelist > onelist >Subject: Re: [ ] 48 Hours >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:15:37 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > >Hi , >Yes your right we are close in age, im 27. I >appreciate you keeping me updated as i would be >interested in how it affects you. What were your >enzyme level just before you started on meds? >Take care >Elena > >--- emily simpson <esimpson7@...> wrote: > > From: emily simpson <esimpson7@...> > > > > Hi Elena, > > > > Since you and I discussed the weight gain thing > > earlier, and the fears of > > starting these meds, I'll keep you updated. If I > > remember right, you're > > close to my age (23)...maybe we'll react similarly - > > who knows? I started > > on 40mgs Pred, and 50mg Imuran one week ago today. > > So far, so good. A > > couple aches here and there, but nothing serious. I > > don't feel very > > different really, but it may be too soon to tell. > > My doctors are aiming to > > get me off the Pred in two months (ideal case > > scenario), and keep me on > > Imuran for two years in remission. If this all goes > > as plans, I'll go off > > the drugs at this time. Hopefully! I'll let you > > know if I get any crazy > > side effects. > > > > > > > > > > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > > >Reply- onelist > > > onelist > > >Subject: Re: [ ] 48 Hours > > >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >From: Elena P <brit71@...> > > > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >I just wanted to tell you about the episode of 48 > > >hours I saw last night. It really affected me and > > >havent stopped thinking about it. It was about an > > >adorable little 5 year old girl who was born > > without a > > >digestive system. She did however, have a liver but > > >itwas deteriorating. She was put on a waiting list > > for > > >a 5 organ transplant. The little girl always had a > > >smile on her face even though she was slowly dying. > > >Luckily, just in time, she found a donor, and went > > >through the 5 organ transplant and of course woke > > up > > >with a smile on her face. She recovered, but > > >unfortunatley a year later died of a lung > > infection. > > > > > >It really was so sad and made me feel ashamed about > > >the fact of not wanting to go on meds because of > > the > > >weight gain, at least i have a chance and an > > option. I > > >also am lucky that i have had a chance to live a > > happy > > >fun life. This little girl only had 6 years. > > > > > >I hope everyone is well, > > >Take care > > >Elena > > > > > >=== > > >Elena AIH > > >San Diego, CA > > > >_________________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 Caught the piece and the part about how this perfectly healthy 12 yr old became paralyzed " coincidently " after getting hep b shot. They said it's caused by 20-30 different viruses, but don't " see " a correlation to a vaccine. It's too bad the Unsners can't be enlightened - could be one more public figure on our side. Also, on another segment, this one doctor is trying to get all mothers prescreened for strep b infection before giving birth, since it can be asymptomatic and fatal to the baby. It's not a routine test in pg yet. BUT she's also working on a vaccine.... for something that, if caught in the mother before birth, can be simply treated with antibiotics, I can't believe these people think that they can get the mother to come in to be vaccinated, but not just tested for it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Dear friends, The information below came in an e-mail to me today. I wanted to pass it on to you knowing that this is an issue that many of us have to contend with. I hope it is helpful to you. ^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & *^ & 48 Hours reports on the strange world of sleep. According to the National Sleep Foundation, 7 out of 10 adults say they have frequent sleep problems, while half have symptoms of insomnia at least a few nights a week. Don't miss " Sleep Tight " on 48 Hours, Thursday, April 19, 10 p.m. ET/PT. Check the 48 Hours site for more information. <http://cbsnews.com/now/section/0,1636,3410-412,00.shtml> ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- May God continue to provide each of us with a measure of strength, wisdom and peace. elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific crime. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific crime. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who and not why when why is many times more important than who. Charlie > I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE > minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the > " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on > the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of > the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for > Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at > the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't > trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take > Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's > mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a > brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific > crime. > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who and not why when why is many times more important than who. Charlie > I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE > minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the > " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on > the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of > the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for > Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at > the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't > trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take > Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's > mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a > brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific > crime. > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 It all about the stock market, the money grubbing lawyers, the pharmaceutical/stocjmarlet complex and multinationalism. We are caught in a vice that is sqeazing tighter and tighter. The old family Dr is gone, health care is a vast bureaucracy and you report to the bookeeper and not the DR. Science has been tossed out of the window and in its place the pseudoscience of 6-week trial and human experimentation with the hopes of hitting the JACKPOT by the pharmaceuticals. Thi isn't a political thing. Democreats and republicans alike participate. Our only hope is tha the mass of people who have been hooked on thse antidepressants or atypical antipshychotics plus folk damaged by vioxx, celebrex nsaids etcc fianlly reach bottom and form a voting block which demands to be heard. Democrats are all trial lawyers, Reinblicans, ironically, are the creators of one world government with their free trade multinational slave labor corporate money at any cost facilitators. I wont go into the FED but suffice it to say that they bekieve a living wage for people is inflationary. Ok I am on and then off topic but the guts of the problem is antidepressant are BIG money makers that have been rushed unto the market without any concern for the long term consequences and in some cases concealment of damaging evidence. Spell Checking Kathy cdvlcarpenter <cdvlcarpenter@...> wrote: I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who and not why when why is many times more important than who. Charlie > I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE > minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the > " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on > the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of > the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for > Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at > the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't > trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take > Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's > mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a > brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific > crime. > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 It all about the stock market, the money grubbing lawyers, the pharmaceutical/stocjmarlet complex and multinationalism. We are caught in a vice that is sqeazing tighter and tighter. The old family Dr is gone, health care is a vast bureaucracy and you report to the bookeeper and not the DR. Science has been tossed out of the window and in its place the pseudoscience of 6-week trial and human experimentation with the hopes of hitting the JACKPOT by the pharmaceuticals. Thi isn't a political thing. Democreats and republicans alike participate. Our only hope is tha the mass of people who have been hooked on thse antidepressants or atypical antipshychotics plus folk damaged by vioxx, celebrex nsaids etcc fianlly reach bottom and form a voting block which demands to be heard. Democrats are all trial lawyers, Reinblicans, ironically, are the creators of one world government with their free trade multinational slave labor corporate money at any cost facilitators. I wont go into the FED but suffice it to say that they bekieve a living wage for people is inflationary. Ok I am on and then off topic but the guts of the problem is antidepressant are BIG money makers that have been rushed unto the market without any concern for the long term consequences and in some cases concealment of damaging evidence. Spell Checking Kathy cdvlcarpenter <cdvlcarpenter@...> wrote: I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who and not why when why is many times more important than who. Charlie > I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just FIVE > minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously parroting the > " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side effect listed on > the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on the advice of > the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once worked for > Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to his position at > the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure wouldn't > trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have to take > Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was in 's > mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was exactly a > brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in this horrific > crime. > > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Charlie, A policeman has no right to pass any kind of judgement which is involved in ascertaining why. He doesn't write the laws - he has to enforce them regardless of what he thinks about them. The problem with juries is that they are just people - they do not have the medical or scientific background to understand or make discernments on who to believe or not to believe when expert witnesses are brought in which is really unfair to the defendent. And there is big money in providing expert opinions in court trials. In other words, opinions are for sale and can be had either way. The " drug " defense is also a slippery slope because most crimes (something like over 90%) are committed under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs. Precedent has been long established that the person is responsible for their actions regardless of what devil made them do it. I'm not defending the system which I think is rotten to the core but rather stating the way it is. The lawyers are becoming multimillionaires off of malpractice - their piece of the medical industry pie. They are not fighting to get things fixed. They like it the way it is because it means money in their own pockets if you have a tragic death result because of a pharmaceutical drug. Re: 48 Hours > > > I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that > why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the > important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think > police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who > and not why when why is many times more important than who. > > Charlie > > > > >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just > FIVE >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously > parroting the >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side > effect listed on >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on > the advice of >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once > worked for >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to > his position at >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure > wouldn't >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have > to take >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was > in 's >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was > exactly a >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in > this horrific >> crime. >> >> >> " Blind Reason " >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's >> Unsafe At Any Dose >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Charlie, A policeman has no right to pass any kind of judgement which is involved in ascertaining why. He doesn't write the laws - he has to enforce them regardless of what he thinks about them. The problem with juries is that they are just people - they do not have the medical or scientific background to understand or make discernments on who to believe or not to believe when expert witnesses are brought in which is really unfair to the defendent. And there is big money in providing expert opinions in court trials. In other words, opinions are for sale and can be had either way. The " drug " defense is also a slippery slope because most crimes (something like over 90%) are committed under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs. Precedent has been long established that the person is responsible for their actions regardless of what devil made them do it. I'm not defending the system which I think is rotten to the core but rather stating the way it is. The lawyers are becoming multimillionaires off of malpractice - their piece of the medical industry pie. They are not fighting to get things fixed. They like it the way it is because it means money in their own pockets if you have a tragic death result because of a pharmaceutical drug. Re: 48 Hours > > > I think one of the unfortunate truth about the legal system is that > why isn't very important. The win or loss in court has become the > important thing for prosecuters in our world today. I also think > police departments ae the same way. Concerning themselves with who > and not why when why is many times more important than who. > > Charlie > > > > >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just > FIVE >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously > parroting the >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side > effect listed on >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on > the advice of >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once > worked for >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to > his position at >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure > wouldn't >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have > to take >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was > in 's >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was > exactly a >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in > this horrific >> crime. >> >> >> " Blind Reason " >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's >> Unsafe At Any Dose >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 , I understand the restrictions put on police officers and didn't mean to sound like I was saying they weren't doing their job. I actually did a poor job of conveying my thoughts so I'll try again. The system which the police are trying to operatn within doesn't care WHY, (CSI isn't the real world) therefore they aren't given adequate resources to do their job as it really needs to be done. I will also say that prosicuters need to be more concerned with why and take a stand to enact changes to make society a safer place. There is a huge difference between someone that decides without interference from any other source to get drunk and then gets involved in illegal activity and someone that is under the influence of a medication that was prescribed for them and the side effects lead them down the same path. I believe the court system has a moral obligation to uncover the truth which includes the why in the kinds of cases I'm talking about. It is our right to a fair trial not a trial in which the outcome is determined more by money than by facts. You however are correct it is all about the money from the manufacturers to the FDA to the lawyers and DR's and it's the victim that will end up paying for it all. Who is responsible, everyone that is willing to send the same incompetent people back to Washington term after term to do more of the same things that are at the root of these problems. I'm not talking about the President as much as I am the rest of the money grubbing power hungry hoard that define the rules we are forced to live by every day. and for the record I am talking about all parties equally. , I'm not arguing with what you said at all and I hope it doesn't seem that way. If it does I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. Charlie > >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just > > FIVE > >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously > > parroting the > >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side > > effect listed on > >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on > > the advice of > >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once > > worked for > >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to > > his position at > >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure > > wouldn't > >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have > > to take > >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was > > in 's > >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was > > exactly a > >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in > > this horrific > >> crime. > >> > >> > >> " Blind Reason " > >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > >> Unsafe At Any Dose > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 , I understand the restrictions put on police officers and didn't mean to sound like I was saying they weren't doing their job. I actually did a poor job of conveying my thoughts so I'll try again. The system which the police are trying to operatn within doesn't care WHY, (CSI isn't the real world) therefore they aren't given adequate resources to do their job as it really needs to be done. I will also say that prosicuters need to be more concerned with why and take a stand to enact changes to make society a safer place. There is a huge difference between someone that decides without interference from any other source to get drunk and then gets involved in illegal activity and someone that is under the influence of a medication that was prescribed for them and the side effects lead them down the same path. I believe the court system has a moral obligation to uncover the truth which includes the why in the kinds of cases I'm talking about. It is our right to a fair trial not a trial in which the outcome is determined more by money than by facts. You however are correct it is all about the money from the manufacturers to the FDA to the lawyers and DR's and it's the victim that will end up paying for it all. Who is responsible, everyone that is willing to send the same incompetent people back to Washington term after term to do more of the same things that are at the root of these problems. I'm not talking about the President as much as I am the rest of the money grubbing power hungry hoard that define the rules we are forced to live by every day. and for the record I am talking about all parties equally. , I'm not arguing with what you said at all and I hope it doesn't seem that way. If it does I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. Charlie > >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for just > > FIVE > >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously > > parroting the > >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side > > effect listed on > >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on > > the advice of > >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once > > worked for > >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment to > > his position at > >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! Sure > > wouldn't > >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all have > > to take > >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was > > in 's > >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was > > exactly a > >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in > > this horrific > >> crime. > >> > >> > >> " Blind Reason " > >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > >> Unsafe At Any Dose > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I agree with you completely Charlie. You made me think of a small suburban community (its own town) I lived in for a number of years. Our police did not spend their days trying to rack up revenue by setting speed traps and what not. Everybody knew everybody - if a kid was picked up for something, they usually knew the parents and dealt with the situation outside of court. I think that is what you meant. But I now live in another town where the #1 priority is to generate income for the city and that is what the police spend most of their time doing. Jueveniles are hit with tickets. I got stopped for something really silly and lost my temper at the cop. I chewed him for pulling me over while the drug dealers were running a particular city park - a place built for children - and they do @#$% about it because they are out making money all the time. He called for backup. I ended up before the judge who for some bizarre reason, dismissed my case. I had followed another case where they had ticketed an ambulance for speeding without the emergency light on - the emergency was beside the point. What really galls me about lawyers is that they think building a case and winning in court constitutes their revealing the truth. They pick this fact and ignore another one. They put slants on the perspectives. They want the cases where they can pocket bucks. That's it - that is what it is really about - they really have no regard for truth. Try suing a lawyer for malpractice. I still have this doubt in my mind over Petterson. I think he probably did it but there were just too many opportunists making money off of the situation, especially the news. How can " fair trial " occur when the witnesses are profiting big time? It is now next to impossible to even get social security disability unless you hire a lawyer who gets a significant cut. And I am talking people with terminal illnesses who desparately need the money, their cases are clear cut. Why should it take a year or two and you have to pay a lawyer 30+% of the back award?!! It's this way because it has been set this way by the politicians who are predominantly lawyers. They are crooks. Drug company manipulators wrap them around their little fingers because of their warped egos, same play to practioners, Both only creat delusions - the opposite of truths. Neil Cavuto (who has MS) did an interview with the CEO of Pfizer this past week. The man was defending his drugs and the rapid approval process. He had this speel about the fear mongering going on was going to prevent " needed great " medicines from getting to people who need them. Philanthropist? Doctor? Scientist? No - he is a business man. But he admits that every single pharmaceutical has negative side affects that will affect some small percentage of the population, but that small percentage should not prevent the majority from getting help. So..... the small percentage should pay the price for the good of the majority and his profitability? Neil didn't catch it. Are we talking capitalism here or are we talking communism? They could really be honest about the side affects and own up to the damage they do. If they want sacrificial lambs, they should pay for them. Doing it this way and cutting the lawyers would probably actually end up being cheaper. But they don't want any responsibility which is rediculos. They could have funds set aside from the profits they make. They'd still be rich. These cases with SSRIs induced violence don't belong in courts at all but that is where they are going to be. Same with malpractice suits. You are suppose to have a jury of 12 peers. Now how can people with no medical education judge a doctor. How can they fairly assess a drug induced psychosis? How can a judge even assess such situations? It's rediculos for a socalled educated nation to function like we do. I'm sorry I missed 48 hours. Sounds that they did make a significant point - doctors and scientists are not running things. It's businessmen and politicians who couldn't even pronounce most of the chemical structures of the drugs. Bottom line is that it is just an evil world full of man's inhumanity to man. . Re: 48 Hours > > > , > > I understand the restrictions put on police officers and didn't mean > to sound like I was saying they weren't doing their job. I actually > did a poor job of conveying my thoughts so I'll try again. The > system which the police are trying to operatn within doesn't care > WHY, (CSI isn't the real world) therefore they aren't given adequate > resources to do their job as it really needs to be done. I will also > say that prosicuters need to be more concerned with why and take a > stand to enact changes to make society a safer place. There is a > huge difference between someone that decides without interference > from any other source to get drunk and then gets involved in illegal > activity and someone that is under the influence of a medication > that was prescribed for them and the side effects lead them down the > same path. I believe the court system has a moral obligation to > uncover the truth which includes the why in the kinds of cases I'm > talking about. It is our right to a fair trial not a trial in which > the outcome is determined more by money than by facts. You however > are correct it is all about the money from the manufacturers to the > FDA to the lawyers and DR's and it's the victim that will end up > paying for it all. Who is responsible, everyone that is willing to > send the same incompetent people back to Washington term after term > to do more of the same things that are at the root of these > problems. I'm not talking about the President as much as I am the > rest of the money grubbing power hungry hoard that define the rules > we are forced to live by every day. and for the record I am talking > about all parties equally. > > , I'm not arguing with what you said at all and I hope it > doesn't seem that way. If it does I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. > > Charlie > > > > > >> >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for > just >> > FIVE >> >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously >> > parroting the >> >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side >> > effect listed on >> >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on >> > the advice of >> >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once >> > worked for >> >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment > to >> > his position at >> >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! > Sure >> > wouldn't >> >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all > have >> > to take >> >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was >> > in 's >> >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was >> > exactly a >> >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in >> > this horrific >> >> crime. >> >> >> >> >> >> " Blind Reason " >> >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue >> >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's >> >> Unsafe At Any Dose >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 I agree with you completely Charlie. You made me think of a small suburban community (its own town) I lived in for a number of years. Our police did not spend their days trying to rack up revenue by setting speed traps and what not. Everybody knew everybody - if a kid was picked up for something, they usually knew the parents and dealt with the situation outside of court. I think that is what you meant. But I now live in another town where the #1 priority is to generate income for the city and that is what the police spend most of their time doing. Jueveniles are hit with tickets. I got stopped for something really silly and lost my temper at the cop. I chewed him for pulling me over while the drug dealers were running a particular city park - a place built for children - and they do @#$% about it because they are out making money all the time. He called for backup. I ended up before the judge who for some bizarre reason, dismissed my case. I had followed another case where they had ticketed an ambulance for speeding without the emergency light on - the emergency was beside the point. What really galls me about lawyers is that they think building a case and winning in court constitutes their revealing the truth. They pick this fact and ignore another one. They put slants on the perspectives. They want the cases where they can pocket bucks. That's it - that is what it is really about - they really have no regard for truth. Try suing a lawyer for malpractice. I still have this doubt in my mind over Petterson. I think he probably did it but there were just too many opportunists making money off of the situation, especially the news. How can " fair trial " occur when the witnesses are profiting big time? It is now next to impossible to even get social security disability unless you hire a lawyer who gets a significant cut. And I am talking people with terminal illnesses who desparately need the money, their cases are clear cut. Why should it take a year or two and you have to pay a lawyer 30+% of the back award?!! It's this way because it has been set this way by the politicians who are predominantly lawyers. They are crooks. Drug company manipulators wrap them around their little fingers because of their warped egos, same play to practioners, Both only creat delusions - the opposite of truths. Neil Cavuto (who has MS) did an interview with the CEO of Pfizer this past week. The man was defending his drugs and the rapid approval process. He had this speel about the fear mongering going on was going to prevent " needed great " medicines from getting to people who need them. Philanthropist? Doctor? Scientist? No - he is a business man. But he admits that every single pharmaceutical has negative side affects that will affect some small percentage of the population, but that small percentage should not prevent the majority from getting help. So..... the small percentage should pay the price for the good of the majority and his profitability? Neil didn't catch it. Are we talking capitalism here or are we talking communism? They could really be honest about the side affects and own up to the damage they do. If they want sacrificial lambs, they should pay for them. Doing it this way and cutting the lawyers would probably actually end up being cheaper. But they don't want any responsibility which is rediculos. They could have funds set aside from the profits they make. They'd still be rich. These cases with SSRIs induced violence don't belong in courts at all but that is where they are going to be. Same with malpractice suits. You are suppose to have a jury of 12 peers. Now how can people with no medical education judge a doctor. How can they fairly assess a drug induced psychosis? How can a judge even assess such situations? It's rediculos for a socalled educated nation to function like we do. I'm sorry I missed 48 hours. Sounds that they did make a significant point - doctors and scientists are not running things. It's businessmen and politicians who couldn't even pronounce most of the chemical structures of the drugs. Bottom line is that it is just an evil world full of man's inhumanity to man. . Re: 48 Hours > > > , > > I understand the restrictions put on police officers and didn't mean > to sound like I was saying they weren't doing their job. I actually > did a poor job of conveying my thoughts so I'll try again. The > system which the police are trying to operatn within doesn't care > WHY, (CSI isn't the real world) therefore they aren't given adequate > resources to do their job as it really needs to be done. I will also > say that prosicuters need to be more concerned with why and take a > stand to enact changes to make society a safer place. There is a > huge difference between someone that decides without interference > from any other source to get drunk and then gets involved in illegal > activity and someone that is under the influence of a medication > that was prescribed for them and the side effects lead them down the > same path. I believe the court system has a moral obligation to > uncover the truth which includes the why in the kinds of cases I'm > talking about. It is our right to a fair trial not a trial in which > the outcome is determined more by money than by facts. You however > are correct it is all about the money from the manufacturers to the > FDA to the lawyers and DR's and it's the victim that will end up > paying for it all. Who is responsible, everyone that is willing to > send the same incompetent people back to Washington term after term > to do more of the same things that are at the root of these > problems. I'm not talking about the President as much as I am the > rest of the money grubbing power hungry hoard that define the rules > we are forced to live by every day. and for the record I am talking > about all parties equally. > > , I'm not arguing with what you said at all and I hope it > doesn't seem that way. If it does I'm sorry it wasn't my intention. > > Charlie > > > > > >> >> I'd like to get that prosecuting attorney alone in a room for > just >> > FIVE >> >> minutes and rattle his cage about these drugs. He was obviously >> > parroting the >> >> " Pfizer Prosecution Manual " -- back in 1994 the very first side >> > effect listed on >> >> the PIL for Zoloft was SUICIDE. That was eventually removed on >> > the advice of >> >> the now-resigned head lawyer for the FDA, Troy, who once >> > worked for >> >> Pfizer and continued to consult with them after his appointment > to >> > his position at >> >> the FDA. And as for the juries in South Carolina -- UGH!!! > Sure >> > wouldn't >> >> trust my life to a bunch of idiot rednecks!! They should all > have >> > to take >> >> Zoloft for just a day or two and then try to understand what was >> > in 's >> >> mind. Of course ct'ing him off Paxil to put him on Zoloft was >> > exactly a >> >> brilliant idea either, so in my mind Paxil also played a part in >> > this horrific >> >> crime. >> >> >> >> >> >> " Blind Reason " >> >> a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue >> >> Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's >> >> Unsafe At Any Dose >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 >> They pick this fact and ignore another one. They put slants on the perspectives. They want the cases where they can pocket bucks. That's it - that is what it is really about - they really have no regard for truth. It's called the injustice system. Where whoever has the most money, wins. Our whole system is screwed up from one end to the other. >>Are we talking capitalism here or are we talking communism? That's a good question! It's one screwed up, corrupt, greed ridden messed up system we live in. I know that for sure and why more people don't get it is beyond me. They keep voting, but nothing improves. >>How can they fairly assess a drug induced psychosis? How can a judge even assess such situations? It's rediculos for a socalled educated nation to function like we do. lol, i'm sorry girl, lol your on a roll!!! Ditto! Very good questions!!! I know your not joking here and i'm sorry i'm laughing, but when you really put things into perspective and i'm talking *reality* here, that is exactly what this system is, *a joke!* From one end to the other. People vote thinking that voting is the answer, but the only answer that is *real* is God's system that he is going to replace this one with. There is just way to much that needs to be fixed. >>I'm sorry I missed 48 hours. Sounds that they did make a significant point - doctors and scientists are not running things. It's businessmen and politicians who couldn't even pronounce most of the chemical structures of the drugs. Bottom line is that it is just an evil world full of man's inhumanity to man. . Well, the Bible put's it like this: (Ecclesiastes 8:9) 9Â All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury. Man dominates man to his own injury. (Psalm 146:3) Â 3Â Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. Isn't this what we do when we vote. We trust nobles and men and women to make choices that are suppose to make things better, but consistantly decisions are made according to what lobbyist is paying the most money. Again, dominating us to our own injury. If people would acctually apply what the Bible says, they wouldn't be so confident in our leaders. What i think is soooooo interesting is that the UN and all the little governments underneath it are going to crush *all* false religion. So people that have put their faith in this system are going to wake up one day and wonder what happen. Their government they have bought into is going to give them their reality check and it isn't going to be pretty. That is when people will figure it out and then it will be to late. I here ya girl, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 >> They pick this fact and ignore another one. They put slants on the perspectives. They want the cases where they can pocket bucks. That's it - that is what it is really about - they really have no regard for truth. It's called the injustice system. Where whoever has the most money, wins. Our whole system is screwed up from one end to the other. >>Are we talking capitalism here or are we talking communism? That's a good question! It's one screwed up, corrupt, greed ridden messed up system we live in. I know that for sure and why more people don't get it is beyond me. They keep voting, but nothing improves. >>How can they fairly assess a drug induced psychosis? How can a judge even assess such situations? It's rediculos for a socalled educated nation to function like we do. lol, i'm sorry girl, lol your on a roll!!! Ditto! Very good questions!!! I know your not joking here and i'm sorry i'm laughing, but when you really put things into perspective and i'm talking *reality* here, that is exactly what this system is, *a joke!* From one end to the other. People vote thinking that voting is the answer, but the only answer that is *real* is God's system that he is going to replace this one with. There is just way to much that needs to be fixed. >>I'm sorry I missed 48 hours. Sounds that they did make a significant point - doctors and scientists are not running things. It's businessmen and politicians who couldn't even pronounce most of the chemical structures of the drugs. Bottom line is that it is just an evil world full of man's inhumanity to man. . Well, the Bible put's it like this: (Ecclesiastes 8:9) 9Â All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury. Man dominates man to his own injury. (Psalm 146:3) Â 3Â Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. Isn't this what we do when we vote. We trust nobles and men and women to make choices that are suppose to make things better, but consistantly decisions are made according to what lobbyist is paying the most money. Again, dominating us to our own injury. If people would acctually apply what the Bible says, they wouldn't be so confident in our leaders. What i think is soooooo interesting is that the UN and all the little governments underneath it are going to crush *all* false religion. So people that have put their faith in this system are going to wake up one day and wonder what happen. Their government they have bought into is going to give them their reality check and it isn't going to be pretty. That is when people will figure it out and then it will be to late. I here ya girl, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 In a message dated 4/17/05 4:49:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mhysmith@... writes: > The lawyers are becoming multimillionaires off of malpractice - their piece > > of the medical industry pie. They are not fighting to get things fixed. > They like it the way it is because it means money in their own pockets if > you have a tragic death result because of a pharmaceutical drug. > > > I want to take a moment to many of the attorney I know because they are out there. Rare. But they do exist. The ones I work with are not in this for the money. Their focus is on a child or truth they have come to love, and they cry just like we do when things go wrong. Most have spent a fortune themselves in an effort to secure protection for those they defend. I have seen them work day and night with passion and fury, all at the same time they were not paid nothing for their efforts. This was not only to change a child's life but to make a change for all of society. Their efforts are valiant and real. Marhoefer The Defense Foundation for Children USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 In a message dated 4/17/05 4:49:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mhysmith@... writes: > The lawyers are becoming multimillionaires off of malpractice - their piece > > of the medical industry pie. They are not fighting to get things fixed. > They like it the way it is because it means money in their own pockets if > you have a tragic death result because of a pharmaceutical drug. > > > I want to take a moment to many of the attorney I know because they are out there. Rare. But they do exist. The ones I work with are not in this for the money. Their focus is on a child or truth they have come to love, and they cry just like we do when things go wrong. Most have spent a fortune themselves in an effort to secure protection for those they defend. I have seen them work day and night with passion and fury, all at the same time they were not paid nothing for their efforts. This was not only to change a child's life but to make a change for all of society. Their efforts are valiant and real. Marhoefer The Defense Foundation for Children USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Thanks , I want to say the same thing. I know it's not a black or white thing and even good hearted lawyers have to make a living. I have met some stellar lawyers and they are doing that job for the right reasons. I know that it's all around the case and if the case is good then the lawyyer will take it. If the case is not a good case in facts, data and evidence then they will not take it. I have known several lawyers that have relished a righteous case, it feels good fighting for the right thing. Jim In a message dated 4/17/05 4:49:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mhysmith@... writes: > The lawyers are becoming multimillionaires off of malpractice - their piece > > of the medical industry pie. They are not fighting to get things fixed. > They like it the way it is because it means money in their own pockets if > you have a tragic death result because of a pharmaceutical drug. > > > I want to take a moment to many of the attorney I know because they are out there. Rare. But they do exist. The ones I work with are not in this for the money. Their focus is on a child or truth they have come to love, and they cry just like we do when things go wrong. Most have spent a fortune themselves in an effort to secure protection for those they defend. I have seen them work day and night with passion and fury, all at the same time they were not paid nothing for their efforts. This was not only to change a child's life but to make a change for all of society. Their efforts are valiant and real. Marhoefer The Defense Foundation for Children USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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