Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

[Guest guest]

> Hello family,

I've had amazing results from a similar gall bladder cleanse. But the

liver should be strengthened before doing a gall bladder cleanse. One

simple way to accomplish that is to drink at least 3 full cups of

organic unfiltered apple juice each day for 2 weeks before doing the

gall bladder cleanse.

[Guest guest]

Or take malic acid, right? (for non-secretors.)

Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

> Hello family,

I've had amazing results from a similar gall bladder cleanse. But the

liver should be strengthened before doing a gall bladder cleanse. One

simple way to accomplish that is to drink at least 3 full cups of

organic unfiltered apple juice each day for 2 weeks before doing the

gall bladder cleanse.

[Guest guest]

Apple Juice (and apples) are an avoid for me as an O, Non-Secretor. Any

other suggestions?

_____

From: mamaambota2003 [mailto:mama@...]

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

> Hello family,

I've had amazing results from a similar gall bladder cleanse. But the

liver should be strengthened before doing a gall bladder cleanse. One

simple way to accomplish that is to drink at least 3 full cups of

organic unfiltered apple juice each day for 2 weeks before doing the

gall bladder cleanse.

[Guest guest]

My understanding of the apple juice is to soften any stones.

Does apple juice give you any obvious problems?

For short term treatment you would be fine but I would do just 1 gallon spread

out over 4-5 days.

The milk thisle and lecithin is for the liver regeneration and bile flow and you

could do licorice herb also.

Kathy

Tom <tomwilson64@...> wrote:

Apple Juice (and apples) are an avoid for me as an O, Non-Secretor. Any

other suggestions?

_____

From: mamaambota2003 [mailto:mama@...]

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

> Hello family,

I've had amazing results from a similar gall bladder cleanse. But the

liver should be strengthened before doing a gall bladder cleanse. One

simple way to accomplish that is to drink at least 3 full cups of

organic unfiltered apple juice each day for 2 weeks before doing the

gall bladder cleanse.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I just finished my 2nd Gallbladder cleanse outlined in s

Moritz's book " The Key to Health and Rejuvenation " . This cleanse is

basically the same as Heidi's cleanse described by Tom. From my

experience the worst part is dealing with the bitter taste of the

Epson salts...yuck! Otherwise, both cleanses have produced numerous

stones especially my 1st cleanse 5 weeks ago. From what I've read 6

cleanses or more may be necessary to truly clean the gallbladder &

liver. I'm optimistic that in the long run my health will improve

from the cleansings.

My goal is to dramatically improve my digestive and immune systems.

Although the BTD-O diet has helped certain conditions, my digestive

system seem more stressed than ever, since I've been on the diet

(about1 yr). I believe this is due to the additional stress of

digesting more fats and proteins.

Anyway enough rambling. I'd also love to hear about other O's

experience with the Liver/Gall cleanses and their results.

Take care all,

Bill K.

[Guest guest]

> Apple Juice (and apples) are an avoid for me as an O, Non-

Secretor. Any

> other suggestions?

Nope. I'm an O, Non Secretor also. But I used the apple juice with

only positive results. ::shrug:::

[Guest guest]

Tom wrote:

> One thing that I keep coming back to is my liver/gallbladder. I have the

> characteristic little warning signs of my liver needing cleaning,

Hi,

I am puzzled by all the talk about liver cleanses on all the blood

type diet lists - or at least the two I'm on. What's going on to cause

this idea or this need, if indeed it is a need?

How does an appropriate diet mess up the liver, and why is it not

behaving and doing its detox job properly?

And how do you know it is not?

Is is really a liver issue or do people just think it is?

> Anyway, I keep reading so many good things about Heidi's liver cleanse,

What is a liver cleanse?

I have this vision of a little bar of soap travelling through hepatic

veins with a little brush propeller on board at the back....

In homeopathy we consider the liver can become loaded with toxins, and

need to have those drained. Is this what you are talking about perhaps?

But if so, what good is a BTD if it accumulates toxins?

A healthy liver should drain without help in my view???

I hope someone will be kind enough to explain what this is all about

please. I'm new at BTD and not so keen on doing a diet that causes liver

toxicity.

Is there a problem perhaps because there is poor selection of fats? A

high beef diet will be loaded with saturated fat and cause liver

problems from that if the eating of lean beef protein is not

differentiated from the eating of saturated fat laden pieces of beef.

Personally I trim of all the fat - and replace it with olive oil.

Saturated fat is a bad deal and needs care on O-type diet I should think.

Is that what the problem is?

> It would be my first intentional cleanse of any kind so I'm just trying to

> get there so I can get it over with and hopefully do it every three months

> or so.

I'm horrified at the idea of a cleanse needed so regularly - that makes

no sense and can not be healthy.

Stones are also mentioned - those only form when the diet is way out of

whack in terms of nutrient balance. Are gall stones stones a regular

thing on this BTD. If so there is a lot wrong with it that needs work.

> A trainer I'm working with has recommended some supplements to boost

> the liver's fat-burning functionality.

This makes sense - though I'd first make sure I was eating the right

kind of fat - it is saturated fat that the body can not use for

metabolic systems and that can cause liver problems.

> That set off my " hype-alarm) and I'd

> rather not use generic gym supplements which would surely have avoids in

> them.

Fat burning supplements are not big mixes nor are they hype - at least

the good ones are not. You can get them individually. Things like CLA -

conjugated linoleic acid - and ALCAR - acetyl-L-carnitine are able to

unlock saturated and cushing type fat - the kind that accumulates round

the middle and overhangs belts - so it can be burned.

As we age we do not make enough delta-6-desaturase to convert

linoleic acid to conjugated (active) linoleic acid for this job. It

helps to add some. ALCAR increases the rate of fat burning.

I've looked into fat burning supplements - there are maybe a dozen that

do something beneficial - as I have cushing's syndrome which has a lack

of ability to burn fat and an increased tendency to turn muscle to sugar

and store it as fat. So this is home territory for me - the fat burning

stuff. But I do not use gym mixes - those have hype ingredients :-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are right. Even secretors may prefer to use malic acid to avoid

all the sugar of apply juice.

Don

Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

> Hello family,

I've had amazing results from a similar gall bladder cleanse. But the

liver should be strengthened before doing a gall bladder cleanse. One

simple way to accomplish that is to drink at least 3 full cups of

organic unfiltered apple juice each day for 2 weeks before doing the

gall bladder cleanse.

[Guest guest]

The main thing I understand from reading Dr. D's website, Heidi's column and

other sources is that the diet of course is good for the liver, but that

doesn't mean that the liver came into the diet in good shape. It's quite

common for people to have from a few to many stones that need to be cleared

and passed. The older you are the higher the likelihood. The more stones

the more interference with the liver's function. The stones have no

relation to eating a compliant or beneficial blood type diet, but rather

were formed during all the time you lived before you stumbled on the blood

type diet. The blood type diet is not so efficient as to rid the liver and

gallbladder of stones so a cleanse protocol has been a regular discussion

topic on Heidi's column on Dr. D's website before she recently retired.

There is a protocol she suggests for everyone who feels like they might need

to try it. It's quite simple in ingredients.

I didn't intend to assume or intend that only thing causing any of this is

gallstones, but as I have read a lot on the internet and especially from

Heidi's column whom Dr. D recommends, this was quite the common topic. The

longer you follow Dr. D'Adamo the more you understand that' his ideas on

health and the implications of the blood type genetic sub groups have

effects beyond the diet. That's why I read the website! Each day I run

into more and more things that help me put together more of the puzzle of

the health.

The story continues each day in learning :-)

_____

From: Irene de Villiers [mailto:furryboots@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

Tom wrote:

> One thing that I keep coming back to is my liver/gallbladder. I have the

> characteristic little warning signs of my liver needing cleaning,

Hi,

I am puzzled by all the talk about liver cleanses on all the blood

type diet lists - or at least the two I'm on. What's going on to cause

this idea or this need, if indeed it is a need?

How does an appropriate diet mess up the liver, and why is it not

behaving and doing its detox job properly?

And how do you know it is not?

Is is really a liver issue or do people just think it is?

> Anyway, I keep reading so many good things about Heidi's liver cleanse,

What is a liver cleanse?

I have this vision of a little bar of soap travelling through hepatic

veins with a little brush propeller on board at the back....

In homeopathy we consider the liver can become loaded with toxins, and

need to have those drained. Is this what you are talking about perhaps?

But if so, what good is a BTD if it accumulates toxins?

A healthy liver should drain without help in my view???

I hope someone will be kind enough to explain what this is all about

please. I'm new at BTD and not so keen on doing a diet that causes liver

toxicity.

Is there a problem perhaps because there is poor selection of fats? A

high beef diet will be loaded with saturated fat and cause liver

problems from that if the eating of lean beef protein is not

differentiated from the eating of saturated fat laden pieces of beef.

Personally I trim of all the fat - and replace it with olive oil.

Saturated fat is a bad deal and needs care on O-type diet I should think.

Is that what the problem is?

> It would be my first intentional cleanse of any kind so I'm just trying to

> get there so I can get it over with and hopefully do it every three months

> or so.

I'm horrified at the idea of a cleanse needed so regularly - that makes

no sense and can not be healthy.

Stones are also mentioned - those only form when the diet is way out of

whack in terms of nutrient balance. Are gall stones stones a regular

thing on this BTD. If so there is a lot wrong with it that needs work.

> A trainer I'm working with has recommended some supplements to boost

> the liver's fat-burning functionality.

This makes sense - though I'd first make sure I was eating the right

kind of fat - it is saturated fat that the body can not use for

metabolic systems and that can cause liver problems.

> That set off my " hype-alarm) and I'd

> rather not use generic gym supplements which would surely have avoids in

> them.

Fat burning supplements are not big mixes nor are they hype - at least

the good ones are not. You can get them individually. Things like CLA -

conjugated linoleic acid - and ALCAR - acetyl-L-carnitine are able to

unlock saturated and cushing type fat - the kind that accumulates round

the middle and overhangs belts - so it can be burned.

As we age we do not make enough delta-6-desaturase to convert

linoleic acid to conjugated (active) linoleic acid for this job. It

helps to add some. ALCAR increases the rate of fat burning.

I've looked into fat burning supplements - there are maybe a dozen that

do something beneficial - as I have cushing's syndrome which has a lack

of ability to burn fat and an increased tendency to turn muscle to sugar

and store it as fat. So this is home territory for me - the fat burning

stuff. But I do not use gym mixes - those have hype ingredients :-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

I have been on the BTD for less then 3 years that means I ate a lot of

avoids and was exposed to a lot of toxins in the previous 46 years or so and

to add to that I started to have hypothyroidism and other problems before I

started the BTD. With hypothyroidism cholesterol is typically elevated, In

fact, cholesterol levels may be used in the initial finding to leading to

the diagnosis of hypothyroidism. I mention cholesterol because that is what

most stones that are flushed out of the gallbadder and liver are made of.

I did 12 flushes over a period of about 6 months with the last flush I did

in March. By the end of the 12 flush I was not getting any more big stones,

but was still getting some small stones and I plan to do more flushes in

future to finish the cleaning process and to check to see if any more have

formed. The biggest stone I passed was almost 2 " x1 " and that was during the

7th or 8th flush.

I didn't know what I was going to discover when I did my first flush. I was

amazed and excited when I did it and discovered all of the stones that I

passed that previously were in my liver and/or gallbadder. At that point I

had to continue, because I wanted to get all of that junk out! I was very

hopeful that doing the flushes was going to greatly help my health. I

couldn't imagine how my liver and gallbadder were working properly with all

of those stones plugging up the works. I felt much better for a few days

after each flush especially while I as still passing a lot of stones each

time.

You are probably wondering what specific benefit I got from doing this. In

detail I can't tell you, but I have to believe it was very good for me to

unplug my liver and gallbadder and flush out the toxins behind them. I can

say that my sinuses are much better now. My sinuses problems are a long and

terrible chapter of my life. As it turned out I discovered after getting on

the BTD that eating many types of grains caused the worst of my sinus

symptoms. Now after spending much of the last 9 months focused on cleaning

up my liver I find that I can now eat those grains that caused me trouble

without sinus problem any more. This is a major breakthrough for me.

Although I can't say for sure that it was related to the liver flushes and

supplements I took for my liver.

You can find a lot more information about doing a wide variety of cleanse

and other health issues at http://curezone.com/ <http://curezone.com/> . I

also highly recommend Chang's website http://www.sensiblehealth.com/.

Her information and products are highly regarded in the forums at CureZone.

Don

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/2004 7:03:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

But if so, what good is a BTD if it accumulates toxins?

My understanding of the BTD is that it does detox us. People in heavy metal

environments or with organ specific problems is one thing but I question people

doing cleanses " just because " . I got talked into one epsin salt/olive oil

liver cleanse in my life and didn't have the 100s of " stones " they said I'd

have. Everytime I get next to a naturopath, they want to sell me a cleanse

(one

was enough to convince me that having a rectal system that is an open sore was

not for me). I was told I couldn't live without a colon cleanse and they

tried to sell me this Spanish Inquisition device. I may be speaking against

conventional wisdom here but I think maybe people are doing more damage than

good

with all of these cleanses. You could always swallow that cleansing knotted

yoga rope until it comes out the other end. I'm sure that going to church or

company meetings with coiled rope next to your mouth would be interesting.

Max

[Guest guest]

Being one of the " oldtimers " I can remember Dr. D. mentioning the diet would be

taking care of those probs if you are fairly compliant and there not being a

need for the cleanses.That's what I still go by. I do not relish the thought of

having to go thru those cleanses for no reason. I guess if you started with a

lot of congestion it might be a good thing.

And all the talk of older people needing to do this makes me uneasy. I AM

probably the oldest person on this list and NOT doing one of those. Blech..

[Guest guest]

And honestly I'm looking for any advantages. I'm trying to find things that

might help me expedite the weight loss I am trying to achieve and this is

one place I see a possible advantage since the liver digesting fats

efficiently is important. I don't think it will kill me or harm me too much

since its natural ingredients so I just assume it can't hurt too much and

with all the positive reports I would always hear from Heidi's website I

began to feel better about trying it.

_____

From: E. Andersen [mailto:meand@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:53 AM

Subject: Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

Being one of the " oldtimers " I can remember Dr. D. mentioning the diet would

be taking care of those probs if you are fairly compliant and there not

being a need for the cleanses.That's what I still go by. I do not relish the

thought of having to go thru those cleanses for no reason. I guess if you

started with a lot of congestion it might be a good thing.

And all the talk of older people needing to do this makes me uneasy. I AM

probably the oldest person on this list and NOT doing one of those. Blech..

[Guest guest]

Irene, thank you for this comment. The cleanses are not an official

part of BTD. I'm assuming any problems are from environmental toxins

or from habits pre-BTD. Dr. D'Adamo does have protocols for various

problems, none as extreme as these cleanses. The first liver

protocol supplement for O's is milk thistle extract. Green tea and L-

glutathione are listed as supplements beneficial to all blood types

for liver support. I'd have to check the encyclopedia to see which

protocol to use for gall bladder issues, but not a problem for me.

Cheryl

O+ secretor

Texas

> > One thing that I keep coming back to is my liver/gallbladder. I

have the

> > characteristic little warning signs of my liver needing cleaning,

>

> Hi,

> I am puzzled by all the talk about liver cleanses on all the

blood

> type diet lists - or at least the two I'm on. What's going on to

cause

> this idea or this need, if indeed it is a need?

> How does an appropriate diet mess up the liver, and why is it not

> behaving and doing its detox job properly?

> And how do you know it is not?

> Is is really a liver issue or do people just think it is?

>

> > Anyway, I keep reading so many good things about Heidi's liver

cleanse,

>

> What is a liver cleanse?

> I have this vision of a little bar of soap travelling through

hepatic

> veins with a little brush propeller on board at the back....

>

> In homeopathy we consider the liver can become loaded with toxins,

and

> need to have those drained. Is this what you are talking about

perhaps?

> But if so, what good is a BTD if it accumulates toxins?

> A healthy liver should drain without help in my view???

>

> I hope someone will be kind enough to explain what this is all

about

> please. I'm new at BTD and not so keen on doing a diet that causes

liver

> toxicity.

>

> Is there a problem perhaps because there is poor selection of fats?

A

> high beef diet will be loaded with saturated fat and cause liver

> problems from that if the eating of lean beef protein is not

> differentiated from the eating of saturated fat laden pieces of

beef.

> Personally I trim of all the fat - and replace it with olive oil.

> Saturated fat is a bad deal and needs care on O-type diet I should

think.

>

> Is that what the problem is?

>

> > It would be my first intentional cleanse of any kind so I'm just

trying to

> > get there so I can get it over with and hopefully do it every

three months

> > or so.

>

> I'm horrified at the idea of a cleanse needed so regularly - that

makes

> no sense and can not be healthy.

> Stones are also mentioned - those only form when the diet is way

out of

> whack in terms of nutrient balance. Are gall stones stones a

regular

> thing on this BTD. If so there is a lot wrong with it that needs

work.

>

> > A trainer I'm working with has recommended some supplements to

boost

> > the liver's fat-burning functionality.

>

> This makes sense - though I'd first make sure I was eating the

right

> kind of fat - it is saturated fat that the body can not use for

> metabolic systems and that can cause liver problems.

>

> > That set off my " hype-alarm) and I'd

> > rather not use generic gym supplements which would surely have

avoids in

> > them.

>

> Fat burning supplements are not big mixes nor are they hype - at

least

> the good ones are not. You can get them individually. Things like

CLA -

> conjugated linoleic acid - and ALCAR - acetyl-L-carnitine are able

to

> unlock saturated and cushing type fat - the kind that accumulates

round

> the middle and overhangs belts - so it can be burned.

> As we age we do not make enough delta-6-desaturase to convert

> linoleic acid to conjugated (active) linoleic acid for this job. It

> helps to add some. ALCAR increases the rate of fat burning.

> I've looked into fat burning supplements - there are maybe a dozen

that

> do something beneficial - as I have cushing's syndrome which has a

lack

> of ability to burn fat and an increased tendency to turn muscle to

sugar

> and store it as fat. So this is home territory for me - the fat

burning

> stuff. But I do not use gym mixes - those have hype ingredients :-)

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Adkins diet within O limits and exercise and you WILL

lose. I promise.

--- Tom <tomwilson64@...> wrote:

> And honestly I'm looking for any advantages. I'm

> trying to find things that

> might help me expedite the weight loss I am trying

> to achieve and this is

> one place I see a possible advantage since the liver

> digesting fats

> efficiently is important. I don't think it will

> kill me or harm me too much

> since its natural ingredients so I just assume it

> can't hurt too much and

> with all the positive reports I would always hear

> from Heidi's website I

> began to feel better about trying it.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: E. Andersen [mailto:meand@...]

> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:53 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder

> cleanse

>

>

>

> Being one of the " oldtimers " I can remember Dr. D.

> mentioning the diet would

> be taking care of those probs if you are fairly

> compliant and there not

> being a need for the cleanses.That's what I still go

> by. I do not relish the

> thought of having to go thru those cleanses for no

> reason. I guess if you

> started with a lot of congestion it might be a good

> thing.

> And all the talk of older people needing to do this

> makes me uneasy. I AM

> probably the oldest person on this list and NOT

> doing one of those. Blech..

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! Just poking my head in from my " vacation " for a moment. I

concur with Don on the reasons for cleansing. I spent 36 years

building up this stuff and I just wanted to help speed up the healing

process by flushing out some of the junk. I also have a long family

history of gall bladder surgery and a few symptoms of my own that

were distinctly gall/liver.

The difficult parts were this: locating all the things I needed,

especially ornithine (I'm very rural), drinking the epsom salts (I

didn't use the vitamin C for flavor), getting extremely hungry even

though Heidi said I wouldn't (I'm thin now and nursing a baby), and

dealing with my two young children while running to the toilet so

many times.

The parts I thought would be difficult but weren't: drinking the

olive oil/grapefruit stuff, (it was delicious!)and passing the stones

(effortless even though some were very large).

I feel better for having done just one cleanse back in July. I need

to do another follow up but haven't had the time during this very

busy summer. Now that my liver isn't aching, I now can notice a need

for some kidney therapy. I love being at a point where I'm fine

tuning my body rather than being overwhelmed by all that's wrong.

Cheers,

Robin

[Guest guest]

Using Epsom salt and ornithine are optional. In fact, I never used

ornithine and only used Epsom salt about half the time. I probably won’t

use Epson salt any more in the future. Instead I will just take some

magnesium, if I have some around at the time.

Don

Re: Heidi's Liver/Gall Bladder cleanse

Hi! Just poking my head in from my " vacation " for a moment. I

concur with Don on the reasons for cleansing. I spent 36 years

building up this stuff and I just wanted to help speed up the healing

process by flushing out some of the junk. I also have a long family

history of gall bladder surgery and a few symptoms of my own that

were distinctly gall/liver.

The difficult parts were this: locating all the things I needed,

especially ornithine (I'm very rural), drinking the epsom salts (I

didn't use the vitamin C for flavor), getting extremely hungry even

though Heidi said I wouldn't (I'm thin now and nursing a baby), and

dealing with my two young children while running to the toilet so

many times.

The parts I thought would be difficult but weren't: drinking the

olive oil/grapefruit stuff, (it was delicious!)and passing the stones

(effortless even though some were very large).

I feel better for having done just one cleanse back in July. I need

to do another follow up but haven't had the time during this very

busy summer. Now that my liver isn't aching, I now can notice a need

for some kidney therapy. I love being at a point where I'm fine

tuning my body rather than being overwhelmed by all that's wrong.

Cheers,

Robin

[Guest guest]

Don St. wrote: I probably won’t

> use Epson salt any more in the future. Instead I will just take some

> magnesium, if I have some around at the time.

Don,

As a magnesium fanatic (due to my kidney defect - I toss it out

constantly) may I make a few suggestions on choice of magnesium. I agree

epsom salts is not the nicest form.

Two options I'd suggest:

Slowmag or generic equivalent (as the slowmag factory is down at the

moment) is good as it has magnesium chloride which takes 8 hours to

absorb - and it comes with some calcium for mineral balance. The

chloride is good because it protects the stomach acid you need to digest

protein. Magnesium oxide (a common form as one tablet has a lot of Mg in

it) steals the chloride from your stomach acid leaving you with severe

indigestion when you try to eat protein.

An even better form of magnesium but very hard to find, is magnesium

gluconate. (K-mart pharmacists can get it) It comes in 500mg tabs with

only 27mg of Mg in it so you need a lot- but this is bio-available

magnesium and no calcium incase you want it pure. It's pricier but worth

it in my opinion.

So those are alternates to epsom salt the chloride being IMO the best

inorganic form and the gluconate the best organic form of Mg. The

gluconate is fast absorbing - about an hour or two - so fast results -

where the chloride takes a long time to absorb and you'd maybe take it

at night to absorb by morning.

(Magnesium deficiency is the norm in USA)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Tom wrote:

> The main thing I understand from reading Dr. D's website, Heidi's column and

> other sources is that the diet of course is good for the liver, but that

> doesn't mean that the liver came into the diet in good shape.

Hi,

I do understand a lot of people have stones. Research shows that

abdominal discomfort occurs as often in people without stones as in

those with stones however. So I suspect the liver can be in bad shape

stones or not.

> The stones have no

> relation to eating a compliant or beneficial blood type diet, but rather

> were formed during all the time you lived before you stumbled on the blood

> type diet. The blood type diet is not so efficient as to rid the liver and

> gallbladder of stones

Well that part means to me that the diet lacks something - maybe it

lacks some rules on how to use foods in a certain ratio or whatever -

but a good diet should cleanse the liver continuously, stones or not,

and at least should slowly get rid of old clutter and stones.

My view do far of the BTD is that is starts the ball rolling but lacks

rules for health within the diet. For example there is no rule to eat a

proper level of antioxidants - not is there a rule to avoid inflammatory

aspects of foods. I believe if we added in the Perricone ideas, we'd

have a far better use of O type foods.

I've found that Perricone style eating has done a lot for my own organ

health for good reasons.

The O diet by itself can involve way too much saturated fat and way

too few fibers and antioxidants and good fats. Those are the cleansing

things. So I would add in the Perricone rules which in short are:

Eat 5 meals/snacks a day, and a minimum of:

Some antioxidant at each.

Have extra-virgin olive oil or fish oil (as in salmon) at each

Have 5 g fiber at each.

Have 1/4 lb of protein at each.

Have NO saturated fat or sugar.

There are other details but that is the key. The idea is to eat a lot of

foods that are anti-inflammatory at cell level (like antioxidants, fiber

and EV olive or fish oil) and no foods that are inflammatory at cell

level (like trans fats, saturated fats and sugar.)

This anti-inflammatory diet has cleaned up my system I believe. I am not

a great believer in " cleanses " . They tend to consist of damaging things

at cell level and those tissues in our gut for example are extremely

delicate and do not need to be damaged by harsh " cleanses " .

If I felt an organ needed some help, I'd use a homeopathic tissue

sarcode to encourage it, or else just the homeopathic tissue salts

(Schuessler salts) taken daily for health. Or third choice is a

homeopathic drainage remedy, which is not harsh but encourages a detox

when it is especially needed for some reason.

> Each day I run

> into more and more things that help me put together more of the puzzle of

> the health.

That is indeed a challenge for each of us :-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Don St. wrote: With hypothyroidism cholesterol is typically

elevated, In

> fact, cholesterol levels may be used in the initial finding to leading to

> the diagnosis of hypothyroidism. I mention cholesterol because that is what

> most stones that are flushed out of the gallbadder and liver are made of.

Diet can certainly reverse that - with the Perricone approach. It took

me three months (I am also hypothyroid along with my other issues) to

get my high cholesterol under control.

Lots of blueberries, strawberries, turmeric, spinach etc for antioxidant

each meal/snack. Rice bran fiber and Ezekiel bread and black beans for

fermentable fiber. (It needs to be fermentable to support gut bacteria

that make the SCFAs needed.)

Total saturated fat and trans fat (hydrogenated stuff) avoidance. For

example I'd brown hamburger, and run it under the hot tap in a metal

colander to take out saturated fat - and replace with EV olive.

I have been using a teaspoon of EV olive daily 5 times a day for a while.

And I eat as much salmon as I can afford/tolerate.

It worked like a charm. Without the full set of components - it did

not work. Previously I tried low fat - that did not work, and I tried

other diets to lower cholesterol - all were not useful in my case.

But this worked. (I mentioned the Perricone meal rules in another email.)

Hope you find what works for you.

Namaste,

Irene

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E. Andersen wrote:

> AM probably the oldest person on this list and NOT doing one of those.

> Blech..

I'm with you :-)))

Namaste,

Irene

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Tom wrote: the liver digesting fats

> efficiently is important.

In my opinion it matters what fats you give your liver a lot more than

how the liver handles fat in general. (Digesting fats is an issue for

cats too so it's in my specialty area.)

the liver is only a factory and can only do what it is designed to do.

Handling saturated fats and trans fats is not easy - it is not usual to

eat those. Cooking over a fire drips the saturated fat out - and in

nature trans fats do not exist.

Olive oil helps you digest and burn fat - how much extra virgin olive

oil and/or fish oil is in your current diet?

Is it 5 times the amount of saturated fat?

If not that would be something to aim for to give your liver a chance.

The O diet lists EV olive oil as beneficial - and I feel like many folks

here are into ghee and butter and such - those are saturated, and give

the liver a VERY hard time. Why eat them? The connection to cholesterol

is well proven, and fatty liver disease etc stands in line behind that :-)

EVO is very tasty - you can add any number of beneficial herbs to it as

well, and brush it over veg for flavour or add it to cooking or salads

or use it to make salad dressing or to replace fat in meat. So as to get

a little five times a day.

(You do not want it all at once in the day.)

Just a suggestion. Might be worth a try :-)

Namaste,

Irene

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susan forrester wrote:

> Adkins diet within O limits and exercise and you WILL

> lose. I promise.

Also the (Dr.) Perricone prescription within O limits or Dr Phil weight

loss solution within O limits. (Those include beneficial foods, right

thinking, emotional eating management, setting up a winning environment,

exercise, stress relief and a support system - plus food supplements if

you are weight loss resistant - all essential components.)

...Irene

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Maddviking@... wrote: I may be speaking against

> conventional wisdom here but I think maybe people are doing more damage than

good

> with all of these cleanses.

I feel that way too. You only have to look at the delicate construction

of cells at the microscopic level to realize how important it is to

respect that design and not stick it through the mill.

There are gentle ways to build health that are within the design of

our complex systems, without the need for harsh anything.

> You could always swallow that cleansing knotted

> yoga rope until it comes out the other end.

:-)))

Waste of good rope right :-))

Namaste,

Irene

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In a message dated 8/13/2004 4:08:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

The O diet lists EV olive oil as beneficial

While we're talking about Extra Virgin Olive Oil, I've read an article that

says that many of the brands that " say " they are EVO may be made from

combinations of oils depending on what's cheap and what's at hand. Canola,

vegetable,

saflower, etc. Any thoughts on this? I use only EVOs that swear they are

100% olive oil and have the company address on them. They are a little more

expensive but they taste a lot better.