Re: New member Irene- Type O neg

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In a message dated 7/27/2004 8:24:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

I'm so new I have not yet got a book on it - and I want to get the best

one so as to do this properly. Perhaps you can advise which one will

tell me the most about what is on a O-neg diet list and why?

The book I use virtually every day is the encyclopedia. It has the most

information. ER4YT has errors based on what was known in the late 80s. CR4YT

was

underwhelming for me. The only other book I read was the encyclopedia.

[Guest guest]

I would get the Live Right 4 your Type book, it has the latest food lists

for both secretor and non-secretors, and Rh and other variant differences.

However, each book has some good information. Whatever book you get I would

check the Dr.'s website for corrections. The TYPEbase 3 food item database

on the website is also a great reference for checking the status of a food

and a somewhat generic reason why.

As far as what foods seem to agree with you I would keep an open mind about

that. After you change your diet to the blood type approach and your body

heals from the years of abuse you may find that the foods that you thought

were OK actually do bother you. I find it sort of like an onion. As I peel

back one layer I find another layer. I have been eating this way for over

two years now and I am still discovering.

Once you know your blood type you need to buy a mail in saliva secretor test

kit to find out your secretor status.

Don

[Guest guest]

Hello Irene,

I agree that Live Right For Your Type is the best place to start.

There are very few differences based on Rh type. Secretor refers to

whether you secrete blood group antigens into your body fluids. 80%

of the population are secretors.

Food allergies will override blood type designation, that is if you

are allergic to a beneficial you still do not eat it based on your

allergy. All foods are not classified as avoids because of an

obvious digestive problem. Dairy is more of a problem because of

increased mucus production and sinus congestion. I do agree that

there are probably exceptions, since much of the classification is

based on genetic linkage of other genotypes with the blood type

antigen phenotype.

There is a brief discussion of blood type and animals, but I think in

general there is not an influence for animals. The proximity of the

allele for blood type antigen to some critical genes is the basis for

much of BTD.

Good luck,

Cheryl

> Hi,

> I am not only new to the list but new to the blood type diet.

so this

> email is at pre-kindergarten level and I hope you will not mind!

> I'm so new I have not yet got a book on it - and I want to get the

best

> one so as to do this properly. Perhaps you can advise which one will

> tell me the most about what is on a O-neg diet list and why? I see

D'Amo

> has more than one book.

>

> I have been toying with the idea a while of using the BTD and

finally

> decided it needs me to dive in. I was slow to convince as I keep

reading

> that salt is for Type O's and I KNOW it is not for me, I get very

ill if

> I eat something salty. And likewise dairy products said to be not

good

> for O - where I find milk agrees well with me though I prefer it

nonfat.

>

> But what convinced me is the wheat = swollen ankles thing.

> I know how to compete with Jumbo in the skinny ankles

department.....

> So here I am - ready and willing to learn, and hoping to hear which

book

> I need to read first?

>

> Also - Will I be finding out that diet for Rh-negative is different

than

> diet for Rh- positive? Is that maybe why I see anomalies from

articles I

> have read and what seems to suit me individually?

> Maybe the blood type approach is overall good but there are a few

> individual differences?

>

> Then too - I can't wait to find what a " secretor " is and how do I

know

> if I do or I do not?

>

> Thanks in advance for any advice on this.

> Namaste,

> Irene

>

> PS When I get a bit more educated on this, I want to see if I can

find

> differences in feline blood types regarding diet. As a veterinary

> homeopath, this is fascinating as an idea for me, and some of my

cats

> are indeed type B rather than the more common type A.

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene-

I lived on yogurt when I was pregnant, and it's fine for O secretors. (I'm

a non-secretor so will use the protein powder for my early AM

morning-sickness-chaser protein boost next time I'm pregnant). Just assume

you're a secretor until you make your initial dietary adjustments and get

the subtype test (can order it from the dadamo.com website).

I just had to get some sort of protein in my mouth practically before

sitting up in bed, or else I'd feel awful; I never understood the advice to

eat crackers, that totally backfired for me, in fact, I don't think I ate

more than 3 crackers my whole pregnancy. I think yogurt is in many of the

recipes in Eat Right 4 Your Baby. Dairy is a convenient form of protein,

mozzarella cheese is also acceptable for O secretors. Feta is fine too,

though I have heard pregnant women should heat it up before eating it to

kill any foodborn illnesses that may be present in a raw cheese.

I understand an aversion to meat during pregnancy. I couldn't stand chicken

or fish the whole time. Luckily I still liked beef.

Every step you take away from wheat will have great rewards!

-

New member Irene- Type O neg

Hi,

I am not only new to the list but new to the blood type diet. so this

email is at pre-kindergarten level and I hope you will not mind!

I'm so new I have not yet got a book on it - and I want to get the best

one so as to do this properly. Perhaps you can advise which one will

tell me the most about what is on a O-neg diet list and why? I see D'Amo

has more than one book.

I have been toying with the idea a while of using the BTD and finally

decided it needs me to dive in. I was slow to convince as I keep reading

that salt is for Type O's and I KNOW it is not for me, I get very ill if

I eat something salty. And likewise dairy products said to be not good

for O - where I find milk agrees well with me though I prefer it nonfat.

But what convinced me is the wheat = swollen ankles thing.

I know how to compete with Jumbo in the skinny ankles department.....

So here I am - ready and willing to learn, and hoping to hear which book

I need to read first?

Also - Will I be finding out that diet for Rh-negative is different than

diet for Rh- positive? Is that maybe why I see anomalies from articles I

have read and what seems to suit me individually?

Maybe the blood type approach is overall good but there are a few

individual differences?

Then too - I can't wait to find what a " secretor " is and how do I know

if I do or I do not?

Thanks in advance for any advice on this.

Namaste,

Irene

PS When I get a bit more educated on this, I want to see if I can find

differences in feline blood types regarding diet. As a veterinary

homeopath, this is fascinating as an idea for me, and some of my cats

are indeed type B rather than the more common type A.

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I think you actually meant to write to me - I'm pregnant but I

don't think Irene is. Two newbies signing up at once got folks a bit

confused!

Thanks for the tips on dairy, I'm going to try and find D'Adamo's

pregnancy book today.

- Hollie

RE: New member Irene- Type O neg

Hi Irene-

I lived on yogurt when I was pregnant, and it's fine for O secretors. (I'm

a non-secretor so will use the protein powder for my early AM

morning-sickness-chaser protein boost next time I'm pregnant). Just assume

you're a secretor until you make your initial dietary adjustments and get

the subtype test (can order it from the dadamo.com website).

I just had to get some sort of protein in my mouth practically before

sitting up in bed, or else I'd feel awful; I never understood the advice to

eat crackers, that totally backfired for me, in fact, I don't think I ate

more than 3 crackers my whole pregnancy. I think yogurt is in many of the

recipes in Eat Right 4 Your Baby. Dairy is a convenient form of protein,

mozzarella cheese is also acceptable for O secretors. Feta is fine too,

though I have heard pregnant women should heat it up before eating it to

kill any foodborn illnesses that may be present in a raw cheese.

I understand an aversion to meat during pregnancy. I couldn't stand chicken

or fish the whole time. Luckily I still liked beef.

Every step you take away from wheat will have great rewards!

-

[Guest guest]

Whoops! Sorry about that! I'll blame my two-year old for climbing on me

while I email

Re: New member Irene- Type O neg

Hi, I think you actually meant to write to me - I'm pregnant but I

don't think Irene is. Two newbies signing up at once got folks a bit

confused!

Thanks for the tips on dairy, I'm going to try and find D'Adamo's

pregnancy book today.

- Hollie

RE: New member Irene- Type O neg

Hi Irene-

I lived on yogurt when I was pregnant, and it's fine for O secretors.

(I'm

a non-secretor so will use the protein powder for my early AM

morning-sickness-chaser protein boost next time I'm pregnant). Just

assume

you're a secretor until you make your initial dietary adjustments and get

the subtype test (can order it from the dadamo.com website).

I just had to get some sort of protein in my mouth practically before

sitting up in bed, or else I'd feel awful; I never understood the advice

to

eat crackers, that totally backfired for me, in fact, I don't think I ate

more than 3 crackers my whole pregnancy. I think yogurt is in many of the

recipes in Eat Right 4 Your Baby. Dairy is a convenient form of protein,

mozzarella cheese is also acceptable for O secretors. Feta is fine too,

though I have heard pregnant women should heat it up before eating it to

kill any foodborn illnesses that may be present in a raw cheese.

I understand an aversion to meat during pregnancy. I couldn't stand

chicken

or fish the whole time. Luckily I still liked beef.

Every step you take away from wheat will have great rewards!

-

[Guest guest]

Hey I have a two-year old too, I know how it is!

- Hollie

RE: New member Irene- Type O neg

Whoops! Sorry about that! I'll blame my two-year old for climbing on me

while I email

[Guest guest]

> The book I use virtually every day is the encyclopedia. It has the most

> information. ER4YT has errors based on what was known in the late 80s.

CR4YT was

> underwhelming for me. The only other book I read was the encyclopedia.

I use the small pocket-sized O list. Is this the most current version?

When I got the Diabetes book, I noticed there were some differences -- is

this only for those with or predisposed to diabetes?

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

The Diabetes book also covers obesity if that's an issue. Take the

quizzes to determine whether it applies to you. The O pocket list is

edited to be suitable for both secretors and non-secretors. There

have probably also been some changes, check the website for updates.

A food can also change categories based on disease risk. Domestic

mushrooms go from avoid to beneficial for cancer.

> > The book I use virtually every day is the encyclopedia. It has

the most

> > information. ER4YT has errors based on what was known in the

late 80s.

> CR4YT was

> > underwhelming for me. The only other book I read was the

encyclopedia.

>

> I use the small pocket-sized O list. Is this the most current

version?

> When I got the Diabetes book, I noticed there were some

differences -- is

> this only for those with or predisposed to diabetes?

>

> Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Don St. wrote:

> I would get the Live Right 4 your Type book, it has the latest food lists

> for both secretor and non-secretors, and Rh and other variant differences.

Ah thanks Don - I'm going to change my order which was the ER4YT -

sounds less useful than either the LR or the encyclopaedia also recommended.

> However, each book has some good information. Whatever book you get I would

> check the Dr.'s website for corrections. The TYPEbase 3 food item database

> on the website is also a great reference for checking the status of a food

> and a somewhat generic reason why.

:-))) My computer unfortunately is a non-secretor - that is it chokes

royally if I try to see more than one database item - and hard-crashes.

So I'll have to try and look at the database elsewhere on someone else's

puter if possible.

> As far as what foods seem to agree with you I would keep an open mind about

> that. After you change your diet to the blood type approach and your body

> heals from the years of abuse you may find that the foods that you thought

> were OK actually do bother you.

I am open to testing this, but so far leaving out nonfat or lowfat milk

seems to be a big no-no for me. The rest looks in tune well enough to

try in earnest - and much of the diet I currently eat is not far off

base as far as I can tell so far - it's based on the Perricone

Prescription approach.

> Once you know your blood type you need to buy a mail in saliva secretor test

> kit to find out your secretor status.

I've long known my blood type is O neg, and today I am as convinced as

possible that I'll test non-secretor. So I am ready to roll ;-))

Not too literally :-)

Thanks for the ideas!

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

cherylhcmba wrote:

Thanks for your helpful ideas Cheryl.

I'm specially interested in the reason for avoiding dairy for O's:

> Dairy is more of a problem because of

> increased mucus production and sinus congestion.

I have to admit I get sinus congestion, dry congestion/swelling - not

mucus. I tend to be dry in general.

I may be oddball due to the kidney defect concerning electrolytes, I'll

need to experiment. But mucus is something I need more of :-) Even my

tears are dry and I need eyedrops for lubrication. However I now think

it may be because I eat too little fat - and tears need oil as well as

water to be good lubricating ones. Indeed since I discovered olive oil

that seems to be improved.

> I do agree that

> there are probably exceptions, since much of the classification is

> based on genetic linkage of other genotypes with the blood type

> antigen phenotype.

>

> There is a brief discussion of blood type and animals, but I think in

> general there is not an influence for animals.

I wonder about that. I do not know enough to comment on any animal

except cats which is my speciality. Most cats have the same blood type -

type A - but a few have type B and I definitely see differences between

them enough to know from health considerations whether a cat is type B!

It's not the same kind of A and B as people have, (B is recessive to

A in cats and there is no O) and there is a third one called AB that is

too rare and inherited separately for me to " know " the type. I'd be

interested because I have an interest in cat genetics and cat

generations are faster than ours so it is easier to study the traits.

> The proximity of the

> allele for blood type antigen to some critical genes is the basis for

> much of BTD.

Oh that's interesting, which book gets into that aspect?

(Genes fascinate me, can you tell :-))

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Maddviking@... wrote:

>

> The book I use virtually every day is the encyclopedia. It has the most

> information.

This sounds right for me - thanks!

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> I lived on yogurt when I was pregnant, and it's fine for O secretors. (I'm

> a non-secretor so will use the protein powder for my early AM

> morning-sickness-chaser protein boost next time I'm pregnant). Just assume

> you're a secretor until you make your initial dietary adjustments and get

> the subtype test (can order it from the dadamo.com website).

Hi Mellissa,

I have cats who type for me, so I understand how my name got there

when it's Holly who is pregnant:) But I used to be pregnant too. My

" little ones " are currently 6 foot 6 and 6 foot 10.

> I just had to get some sort of protein in my mouth practically before

> sitting up in bed, or else I'd feel awful;

I STILL have to do that - and I have discovered that the easiest way to

do this is a liquid breakfast.

This one has milk but I'll explain it anyway as perhaps substitution is

no hassle and the principle is good: Milk works for me, and I make 2

cups of egg nog:

Beat together and enjoy:

1 egg, 1/2 teaspoon turmeric, 1 cup skim milk powder, 1 teaspoon olive

oil, and 2 cups of hot green tea.

(Separately I eat 2 tablespoons of pure rice bran fiber.)

This is fast to prepare - while the tea is in the microwave for 3

minutes the rest is assembled ready to go and I swallow my fiber.

It is satisfying and being liquid is easy to digest and fast to digest.

Rationale:

The turmeric is a fantastic antioxidant and anti-cancer item.

The fiber is fermentable by beneficial bacteria and helps me with

electrolyte balance, and helps the meal to feel satisfying.

The egg and milk make 32g protein and provide iron and calcium and the

carbohydrate that the brain needs to function.

The EV olive oil puts in some fat of the kind that helps burn calories

and other benefits like antioxidant, and also helps the meal feel

satisfying.

I really do not know what would be a milk substitute with the nutrient

density of milk.

> Every step you take away from wheat will have great rewards!

This I can believe. It never agreed with me and recently I made rice

bran muffins and they went over much better than wheat ones.

Wonder what the diet says about rice bran?

Thanks to everyone for all the nice replies with helpful ideas. I am

quite overwhelmed and at the moment out of time for tonight to answer

them all.

This looks like quite a project.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

The diabetes book is also for loosing weight. The typebase 3 on the

www.dadamo.com site has the latest information. It is later than the

booklet.

Re: New member Irene- Type O neg

> > The book I use virtually every day is the encyclopedia. It has the most

> > information. ER4YT has errors based on what was known in the late 80s.

> CR4YT was

> > underwhelming for me. The only other book I read was the encyclopedia.

>

> I use the small pocket-sized O list. Is this the most current version?

> When I got the Diabetes book, I noticed there were some differences -- is

> this only for those with or predisposed to diabetes?

>

> Carolyn

[Guest guest]

ER4YT, LR4YT and the encyclopedia will all discuss the genetic

linkage. It's a key feature of the diet. You will end up buying all

the books, as I did.

The lack of fats is probably the bigger influence on tears. Dry eye

is sometimes an autoimmune disease, O's are at risk for autoimmune

disorders in general.

I wonder about your lowfat milk. What are you eating it with? It

may be more that it's masking the effect of a worse avoid rather than

it's beneficial for you.

>

> Thanks for your helpful ideas Cheryl.

> I'm specially interested in the reason for avoiding dairy for O's:

>

> > Dairy is more of a problem because of

> > increased mucus production and sinus congestion.

>

> I have to admit I get sinus congestion, dry congestion/swelling -

not

> mucus. I tend to be dry in general.

> I may be oddball due to the kidney defect concerning electrolytes,

I'll

> need to experiment. But mucus is something I need more of :-) Even

my

> tears are dry and I need eyedrops for lubrication. However I now

think

> it may be because I eat too little fat - and tears need oil as well

as

> water to be good lubricating ones. Indeed since I discovered olive

oil

> that seems to be improved.

>

> > I do agree that

> > there are probably exceptions, since much of the classification

is

> > based on genetic linkage of other genotypes with the blood type

> > antigen phenotype.

> >

> > There is a brief discussion of blood type and animals, but I

think in

> > general there is not an influence for animals.

>

> I wonder about that. I do not know enough to comment on any animal

> except cats which is my speciality. Most cats have the same blood

type -

> type A - but a few have type B and I definitely see differences

between

> them enough to know from health considerations whether a cat is

type B!

> It's not the same kind of A and B as people have, (B is

recessive to

> A in cats and there is no O) and there is a third one called AB

that is

> too rare and inherited separately for me to " know " the type. I'd be

> interested because I have an interest in cat genetics and cat

> generations are faster than ours so it is easier to study the

traits.

>

> > The proximity of the

> > allele for blood type antigen to some critical genes is the basis

for

> > much of BTD.

>

> Oh that's interesting, which book gets into that aspect?

> (Genes fascinate me, can you tell :-))

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

>

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Irene this is a project for adults, LOL.

No matter what, we do NOT do milk, you'll find out later (when you've been on

the diet for a while ) how milk is the pits. Some people sub soy or rice milk. I

can't stand those myself. Usualy sub cream and water when a rep. calls for milk,

works ok.

Rice is ok for O's.

Wish we'd had a homeopath versed in vaccinations when my kids where little. My

son (44)has severe immune probs now (ankylosing spondilitis, sp.?)

Have a nice day,

Emmi

[Guest guest]

I'd actually suggest pineapple juice with egg white powder or Type O

protein powder. You might have flaxseed oil instead of olive oil

sometimes. Not sure about non-secretors, but brown rice is neutral

for secretors, so may be OK. Somewhere D'Adamo says if you're eating

the wrong kind of fiber you'll have gas. Psyllium or larch

arabinogalacan are other fiber options. A calcium supplement might

be needed. Many problems with dairy, especially if you have a weight

issue. Most inhibit the metabolism, not what you want to lose

weight. How many grams of fiber in that rice bran? Would you need

it without the dairy which is also constipating.

I love cheese myself, that was probably the hardest to eliminate,

still sneak in a little cheddar.

I think you asked what to eat besides protein since so fewer grains.

Probably fruit, 3 a day for nonnies, 6 for secretors and of course

vegetables, root vegetables and sweet potatoes instead of bread.

I used to be pregnant too. My

> " little ones " are currently 6 foot 6 and 6 foot 10.

>

> > I just had to get some sort of protein in my mouth practically

before

> > sitting up in bed, or else I'd feel awful;

>

> I STILL have to do that - and I have discovered that the easiest

way to

> do this is a liquid breakfast.

> This one has milk but I'll explain it anyway as perhaps

substitution is

> no hassle and the principle is good: Milk works for me, and I make

2

> cups of egg nog:

> Beat together and enjoy:

> 1 egg, 1/2 teaspoon turmeric, 1 cup skim milk powder, 1 teaspoon

olive

> oil, and 2 cups of hot green tea.

> (Separately I eat 2 tablespoons of pure rice bran fiber.)

>

> This is fast to prepare - while the tea is in the microwave for 3

> minutes the rest is assembled ready to go and I swallow my fiber.

> It is satisfying and being liquid is easy to digest and fast to

digest.

>

> Rationale:

> The turmeric is a fantastic antioxidant and anti-cancer item.

> The fiber is fermentable by beneficial bacteria and helps me with

> electrolyte balance, and helps the meal to feel satisfying.

> The egg and milk make 32g protein and provide iron and calcium and

the

> carbohydrate that the brain needs to function.

> The EV olive oil puts in some fat of the kind that helps burn

calories

> and other benefits like antioxidant, and also helps the meal feel

> satisfying.

>

> I really do not know what would be a milk substitute with the

nutrient

> density of milk.

>

> > Every step you take away from wheat will have great rewards!

>

> This I can believe. It never agreed with me and recently I made

rice

> bran muffins and they went over much better than wheat ones.

> Wonder what the diet says about rice bran?

>

> Thanks to everyone for all the nice replies with helpful ideas. I

am

> quite overwhelmed and at the moment out of time for tonight to

answer

> them all.

>

> This looks like quite a project.

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.