encyclopedia

[Guest guest]

Hi Hilda,

Shortly after the Encyclopedia came out Heide on the message board asked Dr D

for us about three beneficial foods that at one place in the book it said for

O's to avoid. His reply was that for this one and others to go to the list and

the Nutrition base. This would be more accurate.

Eventually the book is available in South Africa. Expensive suddenly got a

new meaning. Anyway, I think there was mention of a typo or two some time back.

Could somebody confirm details if I am right please?

Hilda

[Guest guest]

I heard it was mentioned that walnuts were an avoid for Os. That was

the only specific typo I heard of. I'm slowly reading mine.

E Long

> Eventually the book is available in South Africa. Expensive

suddenly got a new meaning. Anyway, I think there was mention of a

typo or two some time back. Could somebody confirm details if I am

right please?

>

> Hilda

[Guest guest]

Hilda,

I also have all the books and I wholeheartedly agree with your comments!

In fact, I use it more than the others (I think someone " borrowed " my ER4YT,

which I just recently noticed is missing) .

Jannette

" I have an encyclopedia and I find it very helpful. I have all the previous

books and in my opinion this one is the best......the protocols are in my

opinion an necessity. I don't know, what do the rest of you guys think?

Hilda Vosloo t/a "

[Guest guest]

Interesting. Guess I should look at it again. Ann

Re: Encyclopedia

Hilda,

I also have all the books and I wholeheartedly agree with your comments!

In fact, I use it more than the others (I think someone " borrowed " my ER4YT,

which I just recently noticed is missing) .

Jannette

" I have an encyclopedia and I find it very helpful. I have all the previous

books and in my opinion this one is the best......the protocols are in my

opinion an necessity. I don't know, what do the rest of you guys think?

Hilda Vosloo t/a "

[Guest guest]

I agree Hilda. I've also found the Encyclopedia very useful. I use it more

than the other 3 books.

Hilda Vosloo wrote:I have an encyclopedia and I find it very helpful.

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[Guest guest]

Works for me!

thanks...

Frances

(who has to avoid all her avoids, even though she is an A who doesn't eat

grains, and follows the Gottschall diet, and whose dh is an O non-secretor

and so must also avoid all his avoids...)

Encyclopedia

I have an encyclopedia and I find it very helpful. I have all the previous

books and in my opinion this one is the best. It does make provision for

secretor vs non secretor status. Where an item is different, it says

secretor/non secretor variant. Plus, the foods are listed in a table format

making it easy to see at a glance the status for everyone in the home; I don't

have to go to different chapters to check on different blood groups. And the

protocols are in my opinion an necessity. I don't know, what do the rest of you

guys think?

Hilda Vosloo t/a

Kwimpiko Zegolide

email: hildavosloo@...

cell: 0829229136

[Guest guest]

cherylhcmba wrote: The constipation related to dairy is where the

> slowing of the digestive tract comes in.

Is that not in direct correlation to magnesium?

If there is too much calcium in relation to magnesium instead of exactly

double the magnesium then you will get sluggish metabolism and

constipation. But add in the necessary magnesium and that's no longer

the case.

Perhaps there is more to this than just the blood type aspects. (and I

do not doubt those are there.) There may be nutritional defences as

well, such as the magnesium aspect for example in terms of motility of

gut. The relationship with magnesium is very relevant. If you take too

much magnesium you will speed the gut to much too. It's why people use

things like milk of magnesia for constipation. It works because there is

a magnesium deficiency causing it in the first place. (Alias an excess

of calcium - often from dairy.)

It may need more research to put together the blood type antigens with

the rest of the gut environment rather than seeing their particular

activity in isolation.

There may be dietary " defence " options in other words, that remove the

hassles of a diet issue like dairy. I especially think this is likely in

the case of dairy as nature would not permit a calcium-free diet - or

one so low in calcium as to be bad for health. But the O type BTD is

indeed poor in nutrition as regards calcium.

" Taking a supplement " is not how nature's clever design works ever.

The natural design is always magnificent. Man messes it up with toxins

and the like very often - but the natural design is still always fantastic.

So where is the natural design calcium in O types?

If we all eat enough leaves full of magnesium and meat with fat and fish

oil etc, then we would have naturally coated gut, with magnesium to

spare and a need to slow things down with some calcium-rich milk.

Just a theory I grant - but based on the tidbits we are looking at to

explain the strange BTD aspect concerning omission of proper calcium in

the food.

> Slower movement of waste

> means longer contact time with toxins and is related to higher

> incidence of colon and other cancers. That's the premise behind

> using fiber to attain regular bowel movements.

Fiber is another topic altogether.

All fiber is not created equal and wheat fiber is particularly useless.

Rice bran fiber is fermentable by decent gut bacteria to produce

butyrate to protect colonocytes, propionate to protect the liver and

acetates to protect the peripheral cells of the body - plus folic acid,

PABA and a host of other nutrients. We get none of that if we do not

consume fermentable fiber and a *lack* of toxins to kill the beneficial

bacteria. Toxins can be as simple as the nitrates in a hot dog, or the

bactericidal effect of sage or rosemary, so not only antibiotics.

Butyrate prevents colon cancer too by encouraging normal colonocyte

growth and inhibiting the cancerous ones.

Beet is another fermentable fiber suitable for us O types and which can

be fermented to make a particularly high butyrate amount.

I suspect the BTD diet will lead to a lot of other good related and

inter-related research.

There's more to food than meets the eye :-)

I can report that since using milk at night, I am feeling better despite

the bronchitis, and the intestinal issues I had are gone. For me, this

seems to work.

It also helps the pneumonia. I was too dry to expectorate the sticky

tenacious stuff which was accumulating. A little extra mucus is

enabling me to get rid of it, and there is less raw throat from coughing

without results.

What has helped me most in the BTD is leaving out wheat and corn. I love

corn bread, but have resisted it. The no wheat issue (apart from

sprouted Ezekiel bread - 1 or 2 slices a week- has been a great help.

Edema is amazingly less.

I'll continue to research what milk does and does not do and how to deal

with it.

Will I find the detailed reasons to not use milk and all the other

foods, in the encyclopaedia? Please let me know so I know if it will be

worth saving up for it? I'll do that if the scientific reasons are in

there in more detail than say the occasional skimpy notes in the online

database - as then it would have real value to me.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

The calcium in dairy may contribute to constipation, but then you've

just made the argument that it's not a " perfect " package. You also

say later that the O diet is loaded with magnesium yet it's not

counteracting the dairy effect.

Dr. D'Adamo has taken into consideration general nutritional

information as well as blood type specific information in classifying

foods.

The calcium in BTD is in foods like kale, collard greens and nuts as

well as the few cheeses that are allowed, mozarella and goat

cheeses. From a book called Eat, Drink and Be Healthy there is no

clear relationship between hip fractures and calcium intake. Hong

Kong had the lowest incidence with less than 500 mg calcium per day,

while the U.S. was much higher at 1000 mg per day. Type O's higher

intestinal alkaline phosphatase also gives us more efficient

absorption of the calcium that we do take in.

I wonder if you've tried yogurt or soy yogurt instead of skim milk.

At least you would be getting some probiotics. The Stoneyfields

Farms products also contains a bit of inulin, a prebiotic supporting

growth of healthy flora.

The fiber comment was from general nutritional info not BTD, but

explains why I ate a lot of fiber but still had infrequent bowel

movements. The type of fiber is definitely important.

Dr. D'Adamo does say that if O's only do one thing that should be to

eliminate wheat. I've observed the same effect on swollen ankles at

least.

Unfortunately, information is scattered through all the books. The

encyclopedia has sections on at least over a 100 health concerns with

suggested protocols by blood type. There is also a food listing with

a column for why the food is an avoid or beneficial. I find that

helpful in tailoring food choices to my particular concerns.

Problems with dairy include:

Lectin related due to similarity to B antigen

Indican toxicity due to high content of methionine

Polyamine toxicity due to naturally high content in milk

Metabolic inhibition especially with low-fat and fat-free forms

(glycemic index)

Casomorphin info is not from BTD, but from a book on food addictions,

plenty of other problems even if it's not valid, but since O's are

susceptible to addictive behavior it probably factors in

The constipation related to dairy is where the

> > slowing of the digestive tract comes in.

>

> Is that not in direct correlation to magnesium?

> If there is too much calcium in relation to magnesium instead of

exactly

> double the magnesium then you will get sluggish metabolism and

> constipation. But add in the necessary magnesium and that's no

longer

> the case.

>

> Perhaps there is more to this than just the blood type aspects.

(and I

> do not doubt those are there.) There may be nutritional defences as

> well, such as the magnesium aspect for example in terms of motility

of

> gut. The relationship with magnesium is very relevant. If you take

too

> much magnesium you will speed the gut to much too. It's why people

use

> things like milk of magnesia for constipation. It works because

there is

> a magnesium deficiency causing it in the first place. (Alias an

excess

> of calcium - often from dairy.)

>

> It may need more research to put together the blood type antigens

with

> the rest of the gut environment rather than seeing their particular

> activity in isolation.

>

> There may be dietary " defence " options in other words, that remove

the

> hassles of a diet issue like dairy. I especially think this is

likely in

> the case of dairy as nature would not permit a calcium-free diet -

or

> one so low in calcium as to be bad for health. But the O type BTD

is

> indeed poor in nutrition as regards calcium.

> " Taking a supplement " is not how nature's clever design works ever.

> The natural design is always magnificent. Man messes it up with

toxins

> and the like very often - but the natural design is still always

fantastic.

>

> So where is the natural design calcium in O types?

> If we all eat enough leaves full of magnesium and meat with fat and

fish

> oil etc, then we would have naturally coated gut, with magnesium to

> spare and a need to slow things down with some calcium-rich milk.

> Just a theory I grant - but based on the tidbits we are looking

at to

> explain the strange BTD aspect concerning omission of proper

calcium in

> the food.

>

> > Slower movement of waste

> > means longer contact time with toxins and is related to higher

> > incidence of colon and other cancers. That's the premise behind

> > using fiber to attain regular bowel movements.

>

> Fiber is another topic altogether.

> All fiber is not created equal and wheat fiber is particularly

useless.

> Rice bran fiber is fermentable by decent gut bacteria to produce

> butyrate to protect colonocytes, propionate to protect the liver

and

> acetates to protect the peripheral cells of the body - plus folic

acid,

> PABA and a host of other nutrients. We get none of that if we do

not

> consume fermentable fiber and a *lack* of toxins to kill the

beneficial

> bacteria. Toxins can be as simple as the nitrates in a hot dog, or

the

> bactericidal effect of sage or rosemary, so not only antibiotics.

> Butyrate prevents colon cancer too by encouraging normal colonocyte

> growth and inhibiting the cancerous ones.

> Beet is another fermentable fiber suitable for us O types and which

can

> be fermented to make a particularly high butyrate amount.

>

> I suspect the BTD diet will lead to a lot of other good related and

> inter-related research.

>

> There's more to food than meets the eye :-)

>

> I can report that since using milk at night, I am feeling better

despite

> the bronchitis, and the intestinal issues I had are gone. For me,

this

> seems to work.

> It also helps the pneumonia. I was too dry to expectorate the

sticky

> tenacious stuff which was accumulating. A little extra mucus is

> enabling me to get rid of it, and there is less raw throat from

coughing

> without results.

>

> What has helped me most in the BTD is leaving out wheat and corn. I

love

> corn bread, but have resisted it. The no wheat issue (apart from

> sprouted Ezekiel bread - 1 or 2 slices a week- has been a great

help.

> Edema is amazingly less.

>

> I'll continue to research what milk does and does not do and how to

deal

> with it.

> Will I find the detailed reasons to not use milk and all the other

> foods, in the encyclopaedia? Please let me know so I know if it

will be

> worth saving up for it? I'll do that if the scientific reasons are

in

> there in more detail than say the occasional skimpy notes in the

online

> database - as then it would have real value to me.

>

> Namaste,

> IRene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

cherylhcmba wrote:

> The calcium in dairy may contribute to constipation, but then you've

> just made the argument that it's not a " perfect " package. You also

> say later that the O diet is loaded with magnesium yet it's not

> counteracting the dairy effect.

It isn't? It may well be that the greens we are eating are grown on

leached soil. Fertilizers cause magnesium to be leached from the soil -

we have known that since the 30's, but the chances are nobody has done

anything about it, and so the green leaves that should be full of

magnesium are not so.

In my book that is a sign to double up on the leaves and take a

magnesium supplement and I find it no hassle then. Surveys show

practically everyone is deficient in magnesium nowadays. We also need

more than we were designed to use up, due to stress - since magnesium is

a nerve nutrient.

Either way - the constipation is not caused by dairy being dairy but by

calcium being out of balance with magnesium. It needs to be 2 to 1 -

two parts calcium (about 1000mg) to 1 part Mag (about 500mg daily)

whatever the source and with the poor magnesium in foods grown on

fertilized soil, that is really hard to do in any normal diet.

> Dr. D'Adamo has taken into consideration general nutritional

> information as well as blood type specific information in classifying

> foods.

I would love to reads his detailed research to know what he did or did

not use in this regard. I would find it most interesting to correlate

with my own background in nutrition. It is about time someone did some

new proper nutrition research and I respect that he has done this, and

would much like to see the details.

Looking in the National Library there is nothing at all written by

D'Adamo such as any scientific study on any aspect of his work. That

seems odd. Where is the research hiding out then?

In connection with calcium and blood type, there is some research to

see completed this year by the Koreans. It shows that all else being

equal, type O women have less osteoporosis than non-type O women with

the worse osteoporosis among those with type AB.

That certainly would line up with the idea of the alk phos in type O

to help calcium absorption in type O. But it still needs the calcium to

be there in reasonable quantity.

> The calcium in BTD is in foods like kale, collard greens and nuts as

> well as the few cheeses that are allowed, mozarella and goat

> cheeses.

Except it is not enough calcium by anyone's estimate. Also there are no

cheeses at all for non-secretors.

To get the minimum requirement of 1000mg of Calcium per day for an

average person of 150 lbs one would need DAILY the following per the 4th

Ed food value tables of the Nutrition Almanac:

10.5 cups of cooked Kale

or

6.75 cups of collards

or

37 ounces of English walnuts

or

62.5 ounces of black walnuts.

That uses the examples you suggested that are okay for non-secretors.

I guarantee you - nobody eats any of those in that kind of quantity to

come even close to their minimum requirement of calcium in a day!

If you ate 22 sardines per day, (5 cans of them) that would do it.

My cats might get through that much by ratio of body weight but I don't

know a two-legger who does :-)

So the idea that we can get enough calcium from the O diet by eating

nuts etc all day, is nuts :-)

The O would stand for Osteoporosis :-)

> From a book called Eat, Drink and Be Healthy there is no

> clear relationship between hip fractures and calcium intake.

You believe that book?

I'm fussy, I only believe books that have valid research behind them.

That assertion is not supported by the masses of research in the Medical

Library which proves quite the opposite - repeatedly. Osteoporosis and

hip fractures have a clear relationship, and there is also a clear

relationship between calcium intake and osteoporosis. Here for example a

recent research paper to show just the opposite yet again:

Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2004;13(Suppl):S133.

Physical activity and calcium consumption are important determinants of

lower limb bone mass in elderly women. Devine A, Dhaliwal SS, Dick IM,

Bollerslev J, Prince RL. School of Medicine and Pharmacology, University

of Western Australia.

" Although there is general agreement that increased dietary calcium

consumption and exercise can slow bone loss in elderly women the amount

required to have this effect in an elderly population remains uncertain.

This study of women of mean age 75+/-3y was devised to examine the

effects of calcium consumption (CC) and physical activity (PA) on bone

mass in an elderly female population......... [i clipped out the gory

details of the research process].... High or medium CC caused increase

in bone density of 3%. The combination of high PA and CC, achieved by

24% of the population, was associated with a total hipbone density 5.7%

higher. If the whole population undertook and achieved a high physical

activity and calcium consumption lifestyle the population risk of hip

fractures may be expected to be reduced by about 17% in this age group. "

> Type O's higher

> intestinal alkaline phosphatase also gives us more efficient

> absorption of the calcium that we do take in.

That much I can believe. But is it higher for people with type O in

general (research says yes) - or is it higher for people on O-compliant

diets (no research on this yet)?

I ask because lactose in milk is known to increase the presence of alk

phos in the gut (per research). It's true alk phos increases ability to

absorb calcium - and it is equally true that nature induces the increase

along with the lactose supplied in dairy - good design :-))

The problem is that no matter how well O's can absorb calcium - it

still has to be there via 5 cans of sardines a day or ten cups of kale a

day :-)

> I wonder if you've tried yogurt or soy yogurt instead of skim milk.

I like them but I use powdered milk as I like to put it into my food and

vegetable gravy/sauce. I find the optimum amount I need at supper is a

cup of powder. This would be 3 cups made up but I don't put it in three

cups of liquid - maybe 2 cups max for a meal.

> At least you would be getting some probiotics.

I take probiotics, put olive oil in the supper mix, and also rice bran

as a pre-biotic. It puts all I need in the supper mix. I really like

moist and juicy type textures in my food so I make mine that way. I

assemble onion, meat(or fish), and all the veggies I need into a skillet

dish in my wok, and add in a rich " gravy " made from green tea, milk

powder, rice bran and rye flour, salt-free stock flavour, herbs and

spices, red pepper flakes and a little olive oil. Along with all the veg

juice and meat juice it is my idea of yummy. Call it hamburger helper my

way or salmon chowder my way.

> The Stoneyfields

> Farms products also contains a bit of inulin, a prebiotic supporting

> growth of healthy flora.

Thanks. I'm enjoying rice bran as a pre-biotic, it is very much

fermentable by the right bacteria and seems to agree with me rather

well. Besides, my cats like it too :-))

> The fiber comment was from general nutritional info not BTD, but

> explains why I ate a lot of fiber but still had infrequent bowel

> movements. The type of fiber is definitely important.

Absolutely yes. But for comfortable insides you need enough magnesium,

enough EV olive and enough fermentable fiber - all three.

It needs to be fiber fermentable by the relevant bacteria. Rice bran

fiber and beet fiber are good fermentable dietary ones for O. Ener-G

makes pure rice bran sold in HF stores or Fred Meyer nutrition dept.

> Dr. D'Adamo does say that if O's only do one thing that should be to

> eliminate wheat. I've observed the same effect on swollen ankles at

> least.

I have to say this made a HUGE difference for me too. I have not eaten

wheat since I started the diet - and it is so nice to be minus a lot of

the bloat and edema. (14 lbs less of it so far.)

> Unfortunately, information is scattered through all the books. The

> encyclopedia has sections on at least over a 100 health concerns with

> suggested protocols by blood type. There is also a food listing with

> a column for why the food is an avoid or beneficial. I find that

> helpful in tailoring food choices to my particular concerns.

Then it seems I had best get the encyclopaedia as well. Thank you for

helping me to gather information meantime, it is so helpful and I really

appreciate it. It widens my options and enables me to make better

informed choices. I value that a lot, and am keeping these emails for

future ref.

> Problems with dairy include:

Thanks - a very necessary list for me to know about as I need to address

each item as best I can.

> Lectin related due to similarity to B antigen

> Indican toxicity due to high content of methionine

> Polyamine toxicity due to naturally high content in milk

> Metabolic inhibition especially with low-fat and fat-free forms

> (glycemic index)

> Casomorphin info is not from BTD, but from a book on food addictions,

> plenty of other problems even if it's not valid, but since O's are

> susceptible to addictive behavior it probably factors in

Lots ot investigate and overcome till I can do something better.

I hope I can find out what the consequences are of these things.

Thanks again.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.