Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 I am eating no grains at all as I found a few years ago that I was really intolerant of wheat, yeast and most other grains. The only one I eat is rice and I have not had rice for a few months. After what you all report, I will try and give up the avoids at a faster rate and check everything on Dr D website for the latest info. I am generally quite healthy except for alot of arthritis and joint stiffness. Thanks for the encouragement. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 In a message dated 11/10/2004 11:24:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, tamaratornado@... writes: But I notice things like califlower are an avoid.... I have trouble believing that a vegetable like that could be bad for me....Califlower? I've never noticed a bad reaction to califlower...it's just a vegetable... After not eating cauliflower for about a year, I made some Faux Potatoes (tastes just like mashed potatoes) with it and was amazed at how sick I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Tamara wrote: > But I notice things like califlower are an avoid.... I have trouble > believing that a vegetable like that could be bad for > me....Califlower? I've never noticed a bad reaction to > califlower...it's just a vegetable... On the other hand though, I > don't especially like or dislike califlower, I can take it to leave > it.... so it's easy for me to avoid, and I go ahead and avoid it, why > not. Just to be sure. I do the same. But how nice if we could know why :-) > Then he says that sugar and chocolate are neutral. I sure don't > experience them as neutral. They really make me feel bad. For me they are bad if I have them alone. I recently read a book on insulin resistance diet, and I think it has a great way to plan foods whether one is insulin resistant or not. It says the right way to eat sugar or any carbohydrate, is at meal time with protein and in a proportion in which for every 14g of protein you never consume more than double that in carbs so a max of 28g carbs. You can add more protein but nor more carbs is the idea. If you really want to binge and overeat in a big way then at least balance the protein and carbs. She's talking about sugar and other high carb items. You can add as many green vegetables without considering carbs as you wish. I have found this works well for me, so it means no candy bars or birthday cakes by themselves - only as part of a high protein meal/snack. So to manage this I have discovered frozen salmon patties at costco which I can cook and take with me for a 32g shot of protein per pattie, plus some fat. I sneak one of these along and then I can handle something sugary if need be at a party. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RAISIN MUFFINS: Lately I have also sneaked raisin muffins with me to various places. My non-secretor recipe for 8 of these is mixed in one container: 1 cup of 50/50 mix of dark rye flour and pure rice bran. 4 eggs 1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil 4 tablespoons molasses (helps to use the same spoon after the oil) 1.5 teaspoons sodium-free baking powder giant handful of raisins 1/4 cup of rice milk or water Stir all together to mix, and cook. I cook it in heavy microwave-ware, one of those round cake things with a tower in the middle, but I have also used muffin paper cups. It takes 5 minutes at 1000 watts in the donut-shape thing, and then I just cut it in eight pieces. I suppose they'd cook in a regular oven too, but this is about ten minutes from the first thought to the first bite. I don't add salt to anything but if you do, you may also need more molasses to sweeten. --------------------------------------------------------------------- > How do you all experience avoids?neutrals/beneficials? I have a whole > list of avoids that don't seem to bother me and neutrals that bother > me alot. Well I also adjust. I see the beneficial/neutral lists as a grocery store from which I may select what I enjoy. I don't enjoy them all no. Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 When you say you get sick on things such as cauliflower what exactly happens to you? I eat it and it doesn't bother me. I'm pretty strict with everything else though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 7:15:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, dm12420@... writes: When you say you get sick on things such as cauliflower what exactly happens to you? Gave me reflux, bloating, and feeling of nausea. Other then that it was fine--LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 2:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, salbud@... writes: Keep in mind he said he hadn't eaten it for about a year when he tried it and got sick on it. How long has it been since the last time you ate it? Isn't it scarey that avoids you routinely eat don't make you sick but they're just as damaging and your body fights them off non-the-less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 That whole family of vegetables does (broccoli, brussels, etc.) . . . if eaten raw. They are okay cooked. > I don't remember where I read it - one of the books - but cauliflower > effects the thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Keep in mind he said he hadn't eaten it for about a year when he tried it and got sick on it. How long has it been since the last time you ate it? Re: Avoids > > When you say you get sick on things such as cauliflower what exactly happens > to you? I eat it and it doesn't bother me. I'm pretty strict with everything > else though. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 > >But I notice things like califlower are an avoid.... I have trouble > >believing that a vegetable like that could be bad for > >me....Califlower? I've never noticed a bad reaction to > >califlower...it's just a vegetable... On the other hand though, I > > I don't remember where I read it - one of the books - but cauliflower > effects the thyroid. Right. And thyroid is in connection with bone density, so we have to watch out. I've avoided cauliflower, too, but now I dined at a different place where I could not avoid it and it really made me feel sick.I felt so bad I was not sure i could drive home. I managed, but when I got home, I had to go to bed. It is also explained somewhere that the longer period you can avoid an avoid, the more you " spoil " your body/immune system, and the bigger the negative effect will be if you eat it again. Again and again I get tempted by dairy, then I get the spots, the sore throat and other forms of inflammation. Yes, our bodies are different, but once you can avoid an avoid, you'd better avoid it, with neutrals, avoid the ones that do you harm. Rose/Hungary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 In a message dated 11/12/2004 6:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, firesprite68@... writes: Still working on the potato elimination tho - tough one as we tend to have them a lot. I grew up in Indiana, land of meat, potatoes, and corn. I already knew that potatoes made me sick but last harvest I couldn't resist buying some fresh ears of corn. I was shocked at how sick they made me. They sure tasted good though--LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Hi Nini, Welcome to the group. You may have several answers to your questions, since we all have opinions and have a tendency to voice them. I want to welcome you to the group. No, I didn't have any problems with the extra meat. I was one of those who slowly adjusted to this way of eating, dropping one food group at a time. Some people may have some similar side affects like you mentioned right at first. Your body is adjusting to eating differently. It is also trying to get rid of things it's now able to start recognizing as toxic to your system. this may take a while. There may be some of the changes you just have to make more slowly. Have you visited the www.dadamo.com site? What book or books do you have available by Dr. D'Adamo? He has a book called " Eat Right 4Your Type Encyclopedia. " I'll give you the protocals suggested for O blood type for Lupus. That might help. 1. Immune-Enhancing Protocol; Woad root (Isatis tinctoris), 400 mg or tea: 1 capsule, twice daily (alternately, 1 cup tea, twice daily) Larch arabinogalactan (Larix officinalis) " ARA6 " : 1 tbsp, twice daily in juice or water Elderberry extract (Proberry Capsules): 1-2 capsules, twice daily Polyvite O multivitamin: 2-3 capsules daily Sprouted Food Supplement (Live Cell O): 2 capsules daily Polyflora O (ABO Specific Probiotic): 2 capsule daily 2. Anti-Inflammation Protocal; Glucosamine sulphate, 500 mg: 1-2 capsules away from food, twice daily Bromelain (Pineapple enzyme), 500 mg: 1-3 capsules, four times daily between meals, gradually decreasing dose and frequency as symptoms improve Ginger root (Rhizoma Zingiberis: Zingiber officinalis) Cayenne pepper (Capsicum sp), 300 mg: 1-2 capsules with meals Sprouted Food Supplement (Live Cell O): 2 capsules daily 3. Chronic Illness Recovery Protocol Gotu Kola leaf (Hydrocotyle asiatica), 250 mg, standardized extract: 1 capsule, twice daily L-Carnitine, 50 mg: 1-2 capsules, twice daily Sarsaparilla (Smilax sp), standardized extract, 150 mg: 1 capsule, twice daily Polyvite O (ABO specific multivitamin) : 2 capsules twice daily Type O Protein Blend: use as directed 10AM and 3PM These are the suggested products to help Lupus. If you would like to try them, try 1 product out of each group at a time, for several weeks. Some are available in the health food stores. Some are only made by North American Pharmacuticals or NAP, and can purchased online. Some people have gotten over all kinds or allergies by hanging in there. I've read on this list at times about allergies and other problems improving so much. And the problems only return if they have the avoids, that irritate them. Try to hang in there and give this way of eating a fair trial. We'll help all we can, and we really have some very knowedgable people on the list. Re: Avoids > > > Hi , > > I have recently joined the group and have been reading a lot about > this diet. You posting caught my eyes 'cause you have mentioned > arthritis. I was diagnosed with discoid lupus several years ago, > and have occasional arthritis symptoms. I started on the BTD a > couple of weeks ago (as I said, I am new to this whole thing) and > all of a sudden had real pain (on my ankles especially). I was > thinking maybe this diet plan is not for me, as I thought the high > protein intake caused it, as I had meat and/or sardine almost > everyday for a week. I just wanted to ask you if your arthritis > pain got worse when you first started this diet plan. Please let me > know what you know........ > > Also, if there is anyone else who knows about this subject matter, > please advise. > > By the way, I do not know if I am a secretor or a nonnie > > Thanks a lot, > > Nini > > > > > > > > > > It is also explained somewhere that the longer period you can > avoid > > > an > > > > avoid, the more you " spoil " your body/immune system, and the > bigger > > > > the negative effect will be if you eat it again. > > > > > > That's interesting. I've actually found the opposite. The more > > > compliant I am, whenever I eat an avoid, it has little to no > > > immediate effect. > > > Like everyone keeps saying ... how different we all are!!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Good for you . You'll get through that one also. Do you'll like sweet potatoes? I put them in everything I used to use potatoes for. Re: Re: Avoids > > >>My obsevations have been that as your system clears out your reactions are more pronounced and obvious when it is not competing with lots of other avoids. > **I have had this with dairy, I stopped with milk years ago but kept on with cheese for a while [ used to have jacket potatoes with cheese] and always found I got bloated and stomach pains - as I was using trophology generally apart from those occasions, I thought it was because I was having carbs and proteins together; then one day my dh did me a jacket potato with tuna mayo and I didn't have any of the problems at all so it was obviously the cheese. > Now I have reactions or different uncomfortable feelings with any bread or dairy. > Still working on the potato elimination tho - tough one as we tend to have them a lot. > > ) > > http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Do you'll like sweet > potatoes? I put them in everything I used to use potatoes for. > ** Can you bake them like potatoes ? That I will miss - are they actually sweet ? thanks ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 In a message dated 11/12/2004 4:35:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, firesprite68@... writes: Can you bake them like potatoes ? That I will miss - are they actually sweet ? Yes. You can fix them any way you fix white potatoes. They are sweet and, to me, not as tasty because of that but they are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 In a message dated 11/12/2004 7:41:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, salbud@... writes: Thanks for the seasoning tip on beets. I always eat mine plain. I cook mine and stir in a little lemon juice, honey, and some thickening agent (like flour, arrow root, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 wrote: > Do you'll like sweet > >>potatoes? I put them in everything I used to use potatoes for. >> > > ** Can you bake them like potatoes ? Yes - bake, roast, whatever - and they have a nice flavour, somewhat sweet, not too much. I wish Mcs did their fries with them They make great potato chips too. You can also use yams - the ones in the store are actually sweet potato family too. So there is some variety. Beets are also okay, and make a nice vegetable, good with butter and nutmeg. ...Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 To me they are. You can bake them. You can mash them. You can thin slice or a little thicker and make frys or chips by oven baking them. I also put them in roasts along with parsnips and carrots and celery. Re: Avoids > > > Do you'll like sweet > > potatoes? I put them in everything I used to use potatoes for. > > > ** Can you bake them like potatoes ? That I will miss - are they > actually sweet ? > thanks > ) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Thanks for the seasoning tip on beets. I always eat mine plain. Re: Re: Avoids > > > > wrote: > > Do you'll like sweet > > > >>potatoes? I put them in everything I used to use potatoes for. > >> > > > > ** Can you bake them like potatoes ? > > Yes - bake, roast, whatever - and they have a nice flavour, somewhat > sweet, not too much. I wish Mcs did their fries with them > They make great potato chips too. > > You can also use yams - the ones in the store are actually sweet > potato family too. So there is some variety. Beets are also okay, and > make a nice vegetable, good with butter and nutmeg. > > ..Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. > P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. > http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html > Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Hi , Thank you very much for taking the time to give me all the information. I do not have any of the books you have mentioned, but I have been reading the information on D'Adamo's website. That's actually how I have gotten interested in joining this group and giving the diet a try. I have been lucky so far that I did not have " real " (systemic lupus) symptoms ...other than the occasional artheritis pain. But I do have problem with the " discoid " part of the disease,....(nodules on my arms/shoulders)which has a lot to do with skin. In anycase, I would probably try some of the supplements suggested sometime in the future. I will try to stick to the protein and drop some of the avoids one at a time. Dairy product and coffee, being the hardest to drop for me, would go last. We will see how my system adjusts. Once again, I would like to say thank you for your support. It is appreciated! Nini > > > > > > > > > It is also explained somewhere that the longer period you can > > avoid > > > > an > > > > > avoid, the more you " spoil " your body/immune system, and the > > bigger > > > > > the negative effect will be if you eat it again. > > > > > > > > That's interesting. I've actually found the opposite. The more > > > > compliant I am, whenever I eat an avoid, it has little to no > > > > immediate effect. > > > > Like everyone keeps saying ... how different we all are!!!! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 > > ** Can you bake them like potatoes ? > > Yes - bake, roast, whatever - and they have a nice flavour, somewhat > sweet, not too much. I wish Mcs did their fries with them > They make great potato chips too. > > You can also use yams - the ones in the store are actually sweet > potato family too. So there is some variety. Beets are also okay, and > make a nice vegetable, good with butter and nutmeg. I mostly use yams because they are sweeter, but I haven't been eating a lot of them lately anyway. Why is there a difference -- yams are neutrals, but sweet potatoes are beneficials? Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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