Re: HB Only Foodlist

[Guest guest]

Just catching up after being away from a computer for 5+ days!

Anyway, I would also love this list. Why don't you post it to the

group, or even add it to the recipe file? Or create your own new

folder or file with the list? Then all members of this group could

access it.

I had my first cold in awhile. I'm convinced it's because I splurged

on milk chocolate last Thu night. Started with lots of drainage on

Fri, that became a sore throat on Sat, which became a bad cold on

Sun, Mon & Tue. Now I'm on the other side and recovering. Still lots

of drainage though. I refuse to believe it's allergies, as everyone

in Austin is supposed to eventually get. We have " cedar fever " this

time of year. It's the juniper trees, which most call cedar.

I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! E Long

> Hi , I would love it too...I have the book but a list would be

helpful. Is for secretors or nonnies? I'm a nonnie. Thanks, Ann

[Guest guest]

What food list, where? What could you possibly be talking about.

<smile>

Thank goodness I've never liked gin. Yuk! Those danged juniper trees!

Maybe the pollen isn't an avoid...

I will salivate this weekend and send in my sample next week. I will

soon know if I will join the ranks with the likes of Axel or the

nonnies.

E Long

> What you are suggesting is possibly a BTD no-no

>

> Cedar Fever? That's a fun one. How about this: juniper berries are

avoids

> for Os. Ehh? Ehhh!?! Whaddyathink?

[Guest guest]

Axel wrote:

> Maskell still thinks oatmeal will solve ALL her problems

You must have missed a few posts. I've given up oatmeal for protein

and fat before bed. Final results won't be in until I'm back to a

normal schedule. I've been on vacation since I began this program and

my sleep schedule has been somewhat unpredictable as a result. I'm

opting for salmon or walnuts before bed, depending upon the time &

substance of my last meal.

As for oatmeal, I have only relayed what I have read and it's relative

success. It is recommended in - and I have quoted from - the

Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine. Insomnia is what brought me to this

program and oatmeal saved my life, allowing me to *finally* sleep

through the night. Now that I am sleeping, I am willing to

experiment - especially in light of the fact that oatmeal is a grain

and a carbohydrate, even if it is neutral for type O secretors. I am

a bit concerned that protein - which generally promotes mental

alertness - will be a problem for me if consumed so close to bedtime.

Only time - and experimentation - will tell.

[Guest guest]

....Well you are a nutter! Hehe

JK

-----Original Message-----

Welcome back, Elongated One! Did you hear? Taz and I found out we secrete,

Jacky from " Down Under " called me a " nutter " , Maskell still thinks oatmeal

will solve ALL her problems, and I'm becoming obsessed with saturated fatty

acids!

What you are suggesting is possibly a BTD no-no, maybe the Big Guy wants us

to keep the updated food lists under wraps in order to reserve them for the

newest published works (individual BT books and the big Encyclopedia [chorus

" ahhh! " ]). I certainly wouldn't want to risk endangering my status within

the Blood-Type Community... you never know who's watching, waiting, holding

their breath! Just look at all those members in the home page for this

mailing list.... they could log back on at any time and do a search with a

few key words and bamo! You're in trouble! You shouldn't even have suggested

it... (I'm not affiliated with ElongP in anyway, btw)

I totally agree with you on the symptoms of illness as mostly the body's own

means of detoxification! I'm getting whiplash from the gesticulations

(head-nodding that is...).

Cedar Fever? That's a fun one. How about this: juniper berries are avoids

for Os. Ehh? Ehhh!?! Whaddyathink?

[Guest guest]

I'm secreting some interjections...

RE: Re: HB Only Foodlist

> Axel wrote:

>

> > Maskell still thinks oatmeal will solve ALL her problems

>

> You must have missed a few posts. I've given up oatmeal for protein

> and fat before bed. Final results won't be in until I'm back to a

> normal schedule. I've been on vacation since I began this program and

> my sleep schedule has been somewhat unpredictable as a result. I'm

> opting for salmon or walnuts before bed, depending upon the time &

> substance of my last meal.

You must have missed ALL of my posts! I was being humorous... Good luck with

the walnuts... I hear they have a soporific effect! That and almonds....

I've found the soporific effect of almonds to be enhanced with the live

soak, then blended to release the enzymes (a form of predigestion as

breaking the meat apart releases the enzymes, like mastication) and then

left in that broken, blended state for several hours to " mature " . I don't

know exactly WHY almonds are so much more soporific after this, other than

that maybe their energetic properties are more pronounced as they progress

along the digestive process even faster when blended and left at room

temperature for several hours... but that's just my theory so far. Also, it

is not good to eat much food three hours before bed time, gastric digestion

interferes with sleep! If you have unsteady blood-sugar levels the best

thing to do would be to pursue the O diet, low-carb is THE solution for the

hypoglycemic whiplash-effect from carbs... Meat too stimulating? I'll write

more below! Anyway, it sounds like the hypoglycemia might be the case,

sometimes by your admission. I know that route, I was experimenting with the

low-carb protein & fats meals and being " too healthy " to get to bed on time

and the other side: a big bowlful or two (or three after intense

weight-training!) of evil evil high-refined sugar ice cream! I could eat

over a thousand calories of ice cream in one hour, go to sleep after

enjoying the alcoholic high and waking up a scant 2-3 hours later with

incredible hunger pangs! I learned what it felt like to undergo the waking

process from the body freaking out saying " We're WAY too low in

blood-sugar!!! Emergency! Get more sugar! " Walnuts, sounds so good... it was

coincidentally about 2-3 weeks before we talked at the Wedge when one of my

favorite meat vendors at the Farmer's Market told me about walnuts... could

it be because of the EFA ratio? With an EFA ratio of n-6:n-3 of 6:1, like

sesame and pumpkin seeds (jam this into your heads fellow Os!!!) the omega

3s could be helping you reach that " sweet spot " ... I know fish high in the

EFAs has a calming, practically therapautic effect on my mind and mood.

Shouldn't enough food in a day be enough to allow you to sleep on time? I

know how you feel, sometimes have the same problem, got better after

abstaining from food three hours before scheduled bed time.

More below!

> As for oatmeal, I have only relayed what I have read and it's relative

> success. It is recommended in - and I have quoted from - the

> Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine. Insomnia is what brought me to this

> program and oatmeal saved my life, allowing me to *finally* sleep

> through the night. Now that I am sleeping, I am willing to

> experiment - especially in light of the fact that oatmeal is a grain

> and a carbohydrate, even if it is neutral for type O secretors. I am

> a bit concerned that protein - which generally promotes mental

> alertness - will be a problem for me if consumed so close to bedtime.

> Only time - and experimentation - will tell.

>

>

Hey hey! You're not the first person to find that the real world in your own

body doesn't agree with what is written in a book! I think carbs are a good

way to get those serotonin levels up for the sleepiness, but being an

ultra-healthy dude I've found even a bowl of rice at 7pm doesn't get me

unconscious by 10pm, I suppose if you like melatonin or have found melatonin

to be ineffective on the regular O meats and fats thang you might be able to

make good use of melatonin after a high-carb dinner... it works much better

for me (not just talking to you Maskell). As for meat's stimulating

properties... who would have thunk just eating the right kinds of foods

could result in having TOO much energy! As a vegetarian I couldn't get

enough energy... easy to go to sleep on the high carb diet. Salmon, sounds

good, fish aren't nearly as stimulating as RED MEAT (smack! smack!). Why

haven't you mentioned turkey?!? Gotta go for the big bird baby! Ever try

REAL turkey stock? Very healthy. All REAL stocks are terrific, joachim's

posted on this many times (he knows his stuff). I have had turkey stocks

that simply PUT ME OUT! I mean knocked out cold. Good way to go, very easily

digestible, very healthy and healing, good for knocking yourself out. In

fact, now that I think about the quickly assimilable stocks and turkey's

soporific effect turkey stock seems like a terrific pre-sleep meal. With

stock I'd be comfortable having an hour or hour and a half before sleep

instead of the 2.5-3 hour time seperation between solid foods and bed time.

Of course, if your really hungry no rule is going to keep a person from

eating, going to bed hungry isn't fun and I find it practically impossible

anyway. Tryptophan is not sold to the public in America (damn fuckers!)

anymore but you can make a kick-ass turkey stock! That's probably better

anyway.

I hope not many Os out there regularly have oatmeal or any other

gluten-containing grains... now that I know I'm a secretor I'm even more

leery of freakin' gluten. I'm supposed to be in the 80% camp who can

tolerate it better and have a neutral relationship with almost all gluten

grains... I have a lot of experience being on a high-compliant BTD and I

know that the gluten is NO good, even for secretors... and oatmeal is

particularly bad for people who wish to lose weight, it's in CR4YT... of

course, if you're not " pure " enough you probably can't tell, but the

fucked-up feeling from the gluten is unmistakeable. A few of those Kavli rye

crisps I can handle, some manna bread (that stuff is the exception because

of the sprouting process) but that's about it, otherwise I can feel the

distension and sluggishness of my intestines.

: are you food-combining? Have you tried the various teas that help for

sleepy-time? There are many... a quick look through in a book or internet

site would give you many that are acceptable for your type (or are at least

not defined as avoids).

Also, I read someone saying to blunt the high carb meal with fats and some

proteins... yes, that will most likely blunt the rapid absorption of carbs,

which can be the cause of the hypoglycemic whiplash, but eating a meal of

carbs with fat and/or protein can also elevate the level of insulin released

into the bloodstream, or so I've read. Carbs are definently the worst

insulin releaser, which is the problem with the high carb meals/diet and

obesity/diabetes/CVD etc. etc. but if the over-insulin release that causes

the rebound low-blood sugar is the culprit I wonder if eating a carb meal

with protein and fats would only increase the amount of insulin released

(only read it once and studies vary...). Oh yeah, good to add even protein

and fat (though fats are miniscule insuline-releasers) cause a secretion of

insulin, the more food in the tummy the more insulin released... protein

will produce insulin-release, protein with fat will produce more, and carbs

of course are the biggest insulin reactions possible. Depending on the speed

of glucose conversion (note I did not say " glycemic index value " ). Sweet

potatoes and some squash are awesome for maintaining stable blood-sugar

levels.

Axel O+ secretor

[Guest guest]

What does that MEAN? You're from Australia... does it mean what I think it

means? Look, I've worked in a " bookstore " with a very diverse... range of

books and I've spent about 8 months censoring the video tape sleeves of the

more... sophisticated videos in the " library " ... Videos full of naughty

people doing all sorts of naughty naughty things to each other... I've spent

countless hours sticking on sticker after sticker... of sticky things

sticking to each other! So fess up, or else!

Or is this in reference to my live nut/seed angle on nutrition? Or is this

from my... innuendo from a post on that topic? Or are you called me a nutter

because you're saying I'm CRAZY?!? Fess up. Or else.

P.S. I've just now (as I type) had my first rutabega... my homelife (1-18)

didn't have the best variety of foods and neither of my parents was much of

a cook... Wow! Terrific, also called " swedish turnip " . Good root vegetable,

very tasty, a surprise. Kind ok like turnip. Yummy. Anyone with ideas on how

to prepare/eat? I chopped it up and boiled it till soft, then mashed and

added some organic butter and salt.

Axel O+ and a nutter... and a secretor!

RE: Re: HB Only Foodlist

> ...Well you are a nutter! Hehe

> JK

>

> -----Original Message-----

> Welcome back, Elongated One! Did you hear? Taz and I found out we secrete,

> Jacky from " Down Under " called me a " nutter " , Maskell still thinks oatmeal

> will solve ALL her problems, and I'm becoming obsessed with saturated

fatty

> acids!

>

> What you are suggesting is possibly a BTD no-no, maybe the Big Guy wants

us

> to keep the updated food lists under wraps in order to reserve them for

the

> newest published works (individual BT books and the big Encyclopedia

[chorus

> " ahhh! " ]). I certainly wouldn't want to risk endangering my status within

> the Blood-Type Community... you never know who's watching, waiting,

holding

> their breath! Just look at all those members in the home page for

this

> mailing list.... they could log back on at any time and do a search with a

> few key words and bamo! You're in trouble! You shouldn't even have

suggested

> it... (I'm not affiliated with ElongP in anyway, btw)

>

> I totally agree with you on the symptoms of illness as mostly the body's

own

> means of detoxification! I'm getting whiplash from the gesticulations

> (head-nodding that is...).

>

> Cedar Fever? That's a fun one. How about this: juniper berries are avoids

> for Os. Ehh? Ehhh!?! Whaddyathink?

[Guest guest]

> You must have missed ALL of my posts! I was being

> humorous...

I was afraid of that!

> I've found the soporific effect of almonds to be enhanced

> with the live

> soak, then blended to release the enzymes (a form of predigestion as

> breaking the meat apart releases the enzymes, like

> mastication) and then

> left in that broken, blended state for several hours to

> " mature " .

Sounds ... interesting. What else do you usually put in your live nut

smoothies?

> If you have unsteady blood-sugar

> levels the best

> thing to do would be to pursue the O diet, low-carb is THE

> solution for the

> hypoglycemic whiplash-effect from carbs...

I was thinking about this the other day. I should be able to decrease

my hypoglycemic preventive measures regularly by adhering to the type

O - low carb diet.

> I know how you feel, sometimes have the same problem, got better

after

> abstaining from food three hours before scheduled bed time.

Sometimes I don't get to eating dinner until close to 8pm. I try hard

to have dinner (my last meal) between 5:30 - 6, but work and life can

interfere. Next thing I know, it's 8 o'clock and I'm fixing dinner.

I think about skipping it and recall those days, not long past, of 2am

wakings and choose to err on the side of eating.

> Why haven't you mentioned turkey?!?

Only because it's neutral. I'm trying to stick with HB foods,

although I do occasionally partake of the big bird.

> : are you food-combining?

Yes, mostly because I'm not eating fruits or grains - other than the

oatmeal and that was solo.

> Have you tried the various teas that help for

> sleepy-time?

On occasion, but since I don't have difficulty falling asleep, only

staying asleep, it's never been a priority.

> Sweet potatoes and some squash are awesome for maintaining stable

> blood-sugar levels.

I recently read that chickpeas were good for this as well.

[Guest guest]

> is for

no character is my earlier post

and * is the new me!

RE: Re: HB Only Foodlist

You must have missed ALL of my posts! I was being humorous...

> I was afraid of that!

*[ voice and pointing finger] " Ha ha! "

I've found the soporific effect of almonds to be enhanced with the live

soak, then blended to release the enzymes (a form of predigestion as

breaking the meat apart releases the enzymes, like mastication) and then

left in that broken, blended state for several hours to " mature " .

>Sounds ... interesting. What else do you usually put in your live nut

smoothies?

* For almonds I often use the sweet Cs of India, cloves, cardamom,

coriander, with cayenne, ginger (juice or grated), maybe allspice or star

anise if feeling special... but these are warming spices, not great for

sleep. Maybe try sweet basil or anything else good for sleepy-poo...

If you have unsteady blood-sugar levels the best thing to do would be to

pursue the O diet, low-carb is THE solution for the hypoglycemic

whiplash-effect from carbs...

> I was thinking about this the other day. I should be able to decrease my

hypoglycemic preventive measures regularly by adhering to the type O - low

carb diet.

I know how you feel, sometimes have the same problem, got better after

abstaining from food three hours before scheduled bed time.

>Sometimes I don't get to eating dinner until close to 8pm. I try hard to

have dinner (my last meal) between 5:30 - 6, but work and life can

interfere. Next thing I know, it's 8 o'clock and I'm fixing dinner. I think

about skipping it and recall those days, not long past, of 2am wakings and

choose to err on the side of eating.

Why haven't you mentioned turkey?!?

>Only because it's neutral. I'm trying to stick with HB foods, although I

do occasionally partake of the big bird.

* Hmph. Well... if that's how you're gonna be about it. Very well. It's not

like I care or anything. Really. No problem here. Alright!!! Why!?! Red meat

is almost all HB, but not appropriate for sleepy-poo, because it is so

stimulating. The strength from many HB foods is probably not appropriate for

someone who wishes for sleepy-poo, so, on that note, a neutral turkey is a

" situational HB " because of its unique properties! Neutral is okay, really,

it's okay. Tom Turkey wants in, I can hear him gobbling for you... " gobble

gobble gobble, please, Maskell, consume my flesh and rest easy, the

big D says I'm okay and Axel is pushing for you to eat me! Gobble gobble

gobble! "

: are you food-combining?

>Yes, mostly because I'm not eating fruits or grains - other than the

oatmeal and that was solo.

* Good to hear, food-combiners rock! If I haven't eaten meat in 3-4 hours I

feel free to drink a small glass (4-6 oz) of juice, I don't care if it's

cooked (dead) concentrate, I just want the sugar to help me get to sleep.

Helps.

Have you tried the various teas that help for sleepy-time?

>On occasion, but since I don't have difficulty falling asleep, only staying

asleep, it's never been a priority.

* My problem is getting to sleep. Is your dog waking you to go out on a

regular basis? Does he/she expect it? Do you acquiesce to a canine

everytime? Are you psychically-bonded to your furry friend? Inquiring minds

want to know!!!

* Also, if the waking is attributable to hypoglycemia or the body wanting

more food... that sounds strange, one of the many advantages to going

low-carb (natural for us Os) is the near ketosis or ketosis physiological

state which IS the body using fat (dietary or adipose tissue reserves, i.e.

fat stored in fat cells) for fuel, in this case the body shouldn't be

sending ANY alert signals to wake the sleeper (station control) up, it

should be a graceful uneventful transition from using the dietary fuel (the

fat you ate the previous day) to body fuel (stored body fat us primitives

used during the inconvenient ages when junk food vending machines did not

exist and the tribe had eaten their fill of beast and it was cold and

daylight had not broken and... you get the idea). One of the advantages to

ketosis or near ketosis is the stable blood-sugar; if you are really there

or on the cusp your body should be stable enough to have a calm stomach...

even through the night... one idea is: the body adapts to how we treat it,

even if the body becomes accustomed to late-night/early-morning snacks it

can become UN-accustomed to it, if someone were to refuse to cater to the

need, this way the body changes its " bio-rhythms " .

Sweet potatoes and some squash are awesome for maintaining stable

blood-sugar levels.

>I recently read that chickpeas were good for this as well.

* Oh yeah? Well, I read a long time ago that all legumes were pretty much

low glycemic, slow releaser, though high-carb starchies they are probably

one of the safest categories of starch carbs in existence... black-eyed peas

and adzukis for me! Chickpeas are yummy, high fat and quite versatile, find

out if your a nonnie or secretor 'cause garbys are avoid for the nons. I had

so many bad experiences with foods that were avoids for nonnies I suspected

I was one of them (whew!), I think even for secretors the nonnies no-no list

is something to take heed of. I think what's discouraged for our simpler Os

is an indicator of foods to be wary of... for some things. Just m2c.

>

[Guest guest]

OK , I will add my 2cw

Re: Re: HB Only Foodlist

.. in this case the body shouldn't be

sending ANY alert signals to wake the sleeper (station control) up, it

should be a graceful uneventful transition from using the dietary fuel (the

fat you ate the previous day) to body fuel (stored body fat ................

Ann: And a graceful transition from stored body fat to fuel for immediate use.

I am wondering when I am eating low carb if I am therefore not making glycogen

stores...Really don't understand all this...therefore my fuel supply goes

directly from what is in blood stream to stored fat and that is why it is a

bumpy transition. As a matter of fact, when I am having sugars, my body starts

to screan as soon as they run low but when I don't have sugars, it doesn;t

(after the first few days)

Ann: I think my body does not make a " graceful transition " - it used to be

that i could feel that transition in the daytime but as blood sugar regulating

becomes better, it is less. I agree that low sugar helps the body tremendously.

One of the advantages to

ketosis or near ketosis is the stable blood-sugar; if you are really there

or on the cusp your body should be stable enough to have a calm stomach...

even through the night... one idea is: the body adapts to how we treat it,

even if the body becomes accustomed to late-night/early-morning snacks it

can become UN-accustomed to it, if someone were to refuse to cater to the

need, this way the body changes its " bio-rhythms " .

Ann: For sure...the body will adapt and night time eating is not what should

be...

Thanks as always for all the info. Ann