Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 In a message dated 10/7/2002 11:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lowell.barron@... writes: << As a nonnie, it is difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. >> I could be wrong here but I think we are supposed to stay away from complex carbs like sugar and honey etc, especially us nonnies. Simple carbs in moderation are OK but complex carbs are bad because our bodies don't process them well. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Pumpernickel should be neutral as long as it is avoid-free. Check the ingredients. -R On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 10:54 AM, Lowell Barron wrote: > Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the > ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is > difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye > bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, does > not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify! Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely. , do you have any informations or comments? Thanks-Louise. Lowell Barron wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the > ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is > difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye > bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, > does not. > > I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the > glycemic index? > > I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a > nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would > have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho > I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly) > so there may be books around still. > > Thanks, Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 I don't know the GI for Kamuth, but I know that it WOULD be ok, if they wouldn't mix it with wheat all the time - ask before you buy it and thell them you are allergic to wheat, because often the people selling there don't know for sure, but if they know you are " allergic " they ask if they don't know ... love Ikin wrote: > In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book > LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that > suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify! > Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut > bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of > a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely. > , do you have any informations or comments? > > Thanks-Louise. > > > Lowell Barron wrote: > >> Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the >> ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is >> difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye >> bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, >> does not. >> >> I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the >> glycemic index? >> >> I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a >> nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would >> have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho >> I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly) >> so there may be books around still. >> >> Thanks, Ann >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 You should be focusing on proteins and not starches. As an O if ever you eat breads it should be once in a blue moon. Again the O diet is not about replacing wheat bread with so called " " neutral " " grains. Especially if you have sugar problems. I'll assume that you started this diet to get healthier. If that is the case, give up starches. I am sure you have had your share over the years. Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet. Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " . M2c Re: Pumpernickel In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify! Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely. , do you have any informations or comments? Thanks-Louise. Lowell Barron wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the > ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is > difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye > bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, > does not. > > I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the > glycemic index? > > I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a > nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would > have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho > I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly) > so there may be books around still. > > Thanks, Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I have been following the O diet for 1 1/2 year. Almost no avoids and no bread, no starches ( no pasta, no rice ) but on occasion a little plain 2% fat yogourt with natural fruits. In the morning, I was eating a fruit then " Omega 3 " eggs or egg white, 1/2 a slice of Kamut bread or a muffin without sugar and wheat with either Mozzarella cheese, goat cheese or almond butter. Lunch and dinner was chicken or steak or fish with vegetables and always a salad. No dessert, except a few times fresh fruits with plain 2% yogourt. Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit because my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. My protein intake is very high but my carbs are too low. Dangerously too low, my energy is very low. I only weight 113 lbs and I am 5 feet 4 inches tall. I started to read more on diabetes and hypoglycemia. I found an interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my reading I realized that I had cut the carbs too much even if I had problem with my sugar. So, I started to eat more frequently. I would like to increase my carbs but still respect the diet. That's why I would like to know about Pumpernickel bread for O. Is it an avoid ? And if it is, I would like to used Kamut bread instead but is it high on the GI? Also oatmeal cereal is a possibility, isn't it? I know the recommendation for O type is to increase fat and cut carbs. My problem with this is that I do not have a gall bladder and my liver does not seem to tolerate much fat. I exercise regularly. Part of my exercice this summer and to this point is one to two hours of cycling after breakfast ( three/four times a week). If I do not increase my carbs I will not be able to continue. Recently it has been very difficult. can you help ? Anyone else with suggestions ? Will appreciate your comments and or recommendations. Thanks - Louise Dekany wrote: > > You should be focusing on proteins and not starches. As an O if ever > you > eat breads it should be once in a blue moon. Again the O diet is not > about replacing wheat bread with so called " " neutral " " grains. > Especially if you have sugar problems. I'll assume that you started > this > diet to get healthier. If that is the case, give up starches. I am > sure > you have had your share over the years. > Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and > some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet. > Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " . > M2c > > Re: Pumpernickel > > In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book > LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that > suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify! > Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume > Kamut > bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because > of > a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely. > , do you have any informations or comments? > > Thanks-Louise. > > Lowell Barron wrote: > > > > Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at > the > > ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is > > difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye > > bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, > > does not. > > > > I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on > the > > glycemic index? > > > > I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a > > nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I > would > > have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good > altho > > I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian > (mostly) > > so there may be books around still. > > > > Thanks, Ann > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 I hear you , Louise. I too find that I lose more wieght than I wish to when I cut the carbs low....am always trying to eat more of everything. How much protein are you eating? I too do not have a gallbladder and whereas animal fat like turkey gravy will cause me a lot of problem, I have found that good fats like avocado and walnuts do not. Also I seem to be able to take good oils and a bit of butter. Also eggs do not bother me. How long since you had the operation? I think that the body adapts. In the beginning I took Choline and Inositol to help with fat digestion. Perhaps you need enzymes to help with the fat? Re your blood sugar. YUou do need carbs but need to find slow burning. Unless you are a nonnie, I would strongly suggest oatmeal...but not the processed kind but the kind that takes a long time to cook. When you had rice was it brown rice that is slower to digest? I think from my own experience that Kamut is fairly high GI. Also, do you eat starchy vegetables? Like sweet potato and peas and squash? Re pumpernickel...it was an avoid...you would have to look it up on the list to see what it is now. I find that I get clogged up when I eat much of it. Glycemic load is something I read about here and it makes sense to me....what you eat with the higher glycemic food and how much of it. Have a search on that term. I have been meaning to....don't know who the author of that concept is. How are you testing your blood sugar? And what are the values ...10 minutes after, 1 hour after? You know, of course that the blood sugar is supposed to rise and then the body deals with it...does yours stay high? Or does sugar cause a reactive hypoglycemia? Tell us more and perhpas we can help. Ann Re: Pumpernickel ...Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit because my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. ... I found an interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my reading that's why I would like to know about Pumpernickel bread for O. > Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and > some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet. > Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " . > M2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 The answer to that is: consume more fat. So simple. Lovely weekend to you. Re: Pumpernickel I hear you , Louise. I too find that I lose more wieght than I wish to when I cut the carbs low....am always trying to eat more of everything. How much protein are you eating? I too do not have a gallbladder and whereas animal fat like turkey gravy will cause me a lot of problem, I have found that good fats like avocado and walnuts do not. Also I seem to be able to take good oils and a bit of butter. Also eggs do not bother me. How long since you had the operation? I think that the body adapts. In the beginning I took Choline and Inositol to help with fat digestion. Perhaps you need enzymes to help with the fat? Re your blood sugar. YUou do need carbs but need to find slow burning. Unless you are a nonnie, I would strongly suggest oatmeal...but not the processed kind but the kind that takes a long time to cook. When you had rice was it brown rice that is slower to digest? I think from my own experience that Kamut is fairly high GI. Also, do you eat starchy vegetables? Like sweet potato and peas and squash? Re pumpernickel...it was an avoid...you would have to look it up on the list to see what it is now. I find that I get clogged up when I eat much of it. Glycemic load is something I read about here and it makes sense to me....what you eat with the higher glycemic food and how much of it. Have a search on that term. I have been meaning to....don't know who the author of that concept is. How are you testing your blood sugar? And what are the values ...10 minutes after, 1 hour after? You know, of course that the blood sugar is supposed to rise and then the body deals with it...does yours stay high? Or does sugar cause a reactive hypoglycemia? Tell us more and perhpas we can help. Ann Re: Pumpernickel ...Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit because my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. ... I found an interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my reading that's why I would like to know about Pumpernickel bread for O. > Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and > some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet. > Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " . > M2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 But , She is having difficulty with fat...no gallbladder. I try for a reasonable balance albeit higher in fats and proteins than in carbs. I enjoyed the fish soup, BTW....am collecting recipes. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Didn't know that. Re: Pumpernickel But , She is having difficulty with fat...no gallbladder. I try for a reasonable balance albeit higher in fats and proteins than in carbs. I enjoyed the fish soup, BTW....am collecting recipes. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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