Re: Pumpernickel

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In a message dated 10/7/2002 11:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lowell.barron@... writes:

<< As a nonnie, it is difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex

carbs. >>

I could be wrong here but I think we are supposed to stay away from complex

carbs like sugar and honey etc, especially us nonnies. Simple carbs in

moderation are OK but complex carbs are bad because our bodies don't process

them well.

Max

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Pumpernickel should be neutral as long as it is avoid-free. Check the

ingredients.

-R

On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 10:54 AM, Lowell Barron wrote:

> Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the

> ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is

> difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye

> bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have, does

> not.

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In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book

LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that

suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify!

Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut

bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of

a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely.

, do you have any informations or comments?

Thanks-Louise.

Lowell Barron wrote:

>

> Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the

> ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is

> difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye

> bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have,

> does not.

>

> I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the

> glycemic index?

>

> I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a

> nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would

> have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho

> I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly)

> so there may be books around still.

>

> Thanks, Ann

>

>

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I don't know the GI for Kamuth, but I know that it WOULD be ok, if they

wouldn't mix it with wheat all the time - ask before you buy it and

thell them you are allergic to wheat, because often the people selling

there don't know for sure, but if they know you are " allergic " they ask

if they don't know ...

love

Ikin wrote:

> In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book

> LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that

> suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify!

> Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut

> bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of

> a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely.

> , do you have any informations or comments?

>

> Thanks-Louise.

>

>

> Lowell Barron wrote:

>

>> Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the

>> ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is

>> difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye

>> bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have,

>> does not.

>>

>> I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the

>> glycemic index?

>>

>> I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a

>> nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would

>> have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho

>> I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly)

>> so there may be books around still.

>>

>> Thanks, Ann

>>

>>

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You should be focusing on proteins and not starches. As an O if ever you

eat breads it should be once in a blue moon. Again the O diet is not

about replacing wheat bread with so called " " neutral " " grains.

Especially if you have sugar problems. I'll assume that you started this

diet to get healthier. If that is the case, give up starches. I am sure

you have had your share over the years.

Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and

some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet.

Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " .

M2c

Re: Pumpernickel

In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book

LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that

suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify!

Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume Kamut

bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because of

a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely.

, do you have any informations or comments?

Thanks-Louise.

Lowell Barron wrote:

>

> Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at the

> ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is

> difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye

> bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have,

> does not.

>

> I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on the

> glycemic index?

>

> I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a

> nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I would

> have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good altho

> I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian (mostly)

> so there may be books around still.

>

> Thanks, Ann

>

>

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I have been following the O diet for 1 1/2 year. Almost no avoids and no

bread, no starches ( no pasta, no rice ) but on occasion a little plain

2% fat yogourt with natural fruits. In the morning, I was eating a fruit

then " Omega 3 " eggs or egg white, 1/2 a slice of Kamut bread or a muffin

without

sugar and wheat with either Mozzarella cheese, goat cheese or almond

butter. Lunch and dinner was chicken or steak or fish with vegetables

and always a salad. No dessert, except a few times fresh fruits with

plain

2% yogourt.

Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit because

my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet

Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that

Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. My protein

intake is very high but my carbs are too low. Dangerously too low, my

energy is very low. I only weight 113 lbs and I am 5 feet 4 inches

tall. I started to read more on diabetes and hypoglycemia. I found an

interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my reading

I realized

that I had cut the carbs too much even if I had problem with my sugar.

So, I started to eat more frequently. I would like to increase my

carbs but still respect the diet. That's why I would like to

know about Pumpernickel bread for O. Is it an avoid ? And if it is, I

would like to used Kamut bread instead but is it high on the GI? Also

oatmeal cereal is a possibility, isn't it? I know the recommendation

for O type is to increase fat and cut carbs. My problem with this is

that I do not have a gall bladder and my liver does not seem to tolerate

much fat.

I exercise regularly. Part of my exercice this summer and to this point

is one to two hours of cycling after breakfast ( three/four times a

week).

If I do not increase my carbs I will not be able to continue.

Recently it has been very difficult.

can you help ? Anyone else with suggestions ? Will appreciate

your comments and or recommendations.

Thanks - Louise

Dekany wrote:

>

> You should be focusing on proteins and not starches. As an O if ever

> you

> eat breads it should be once in a blue moon. Again the O diet is not

> about replacing wheat bread with so called " " neutral " " grains.

> Especially if you have sugar problems. I'll assume that you started

> this

> diet to get healthier. If that is the case, give up starches. I am

> sure

> you have had your share over the years.

> Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and

> some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet.

> Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " .

> M2c

>

> Re: Pumpernickel

>

> In the book Pumpernickel is an avoid, but in the new book

> LR4YT-O Pumpernickel is not mentionned. Does anyone know what is that

> suppose to mean? Actually the category BREADS is not specify!

> Kamut is a neutral in the " Grains " categoty of LR4YT-O - I assume

> Kamut

> bread is OK for O - Does anyone know the GI for Kamut Bread - Because

> of

> a problem with my sugar I have to follow the GI closely.

> , do you have any informations or comments?

>

> Thanks-Louise.

>

> Lowell Barron wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone have an idea why Pumpernickel is an avoid? I looked at

> the

> > ingredients and it looks like they are all OK. As a nonnie, it is

> > difficult ot get bread and yet I need some complex carbs. Most rye

> > bread sold has wheat flour in it but the pumpernickel that I have,

> > does not.

> >

> > I am assuming it is a complex carb...I guess that owould depend on

> the

> > glycemic index?

> >

> > I really need help with finding some recipes for complex carbs. As a

> > nonnie, lentil soup is a possibility. Can anyone tell me what I

> would

> > have with it to make a balanced meal? Also recipes would be good

> altho

> > I may have some here...some of my kids are A's and vegetarian

> (mostly)

> > so there may be books around still.

> >

> > Thanks, Ann

> >

> >

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I hear you , Louise. I too find that I lose more wieght than I wish to when I

cut the carbs low....am always trying to eat more of everything.

How much protein are you eating? I too do not have a gallbladder and whereas

animal fat like turkey gravy will cause me a lot of problem, I have found that

good fats like avocado and walnuts do not. Also I seem to be able to take good

oils and a bit of butter. Also eggs do not bother me. How long since you had the

operation? I think that the body adapts. In the beginning I took Choline and

Inositol to help with fat digestion. Perhaps you need enzymes to help with the

fat?

Re your blood sugar. YUou do need carbs but need to find slow burning. Unless

you are a nonnie, I would strongly suggest oatmeal...but not the processed kind

but the kind that takes a long time to cook. When you had rice was it brown rice

that is slower to digest? I think from my own experience that Kamut is fairly

high GI.

Also, do you eat starchy vegetables? Like sweet potato and peas and squash?

Re pumpernickel...it was an avoid...you would have to look it up on the list to

see what it is now. I find that I get clogged up when I eat much of it.

Glycemic load is something I read about here and it makes sense to me....what

you eat with the higher glycemic food and how much of it. Have a search on that

term. I have been meaning to....don't know who the author of that concept is.

How are you testing your blood sugar? And what are the values ...10 minutes

after, 1 hour after? You know, of course that the blood sugar is supposed to

rise and then the body deals with it...does yours stay high? Or does sugar cause

a reactive hypoglycemia?

Tell us more and perhpas we can help.

Ann

Re: Pumpernickel

...Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit because

my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet

Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that

Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. ... I found an

interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my reading

that's why I would like to

know about Pumpernickel bread for O.

> Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies and

> some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet.

> Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " .

> M2c

[Guest guest]

The answer to that is: consume more fat. So simple.

Lovely weekend to you.

Re: Pumpernickel

I hear you , Louise. I too find that I lose more wieght than I wish to

when I cut the carbs low....am always trying to eat more of everything.

How much protein are you eating? I too do not have a gallbladder and

whereas animal fat like turkey gravy will cause me a lot of problem, I

have found that good fats like avocado and walnuts do not. Also I seem

to be able to take good oils and a bit of butter. Also eggs do not

bother me. How long since you had the operation? I think that the body

adapts. In the beginning I took Choline and Inositol to help with fat

digestion. Perhaps you need enzymes to help with the fat?

Re your blood sugar. YUou do need carbs but need to find slow burning.

Unless you are a nonnie, I would strongly suggest oatmeal...but not the

processed kind but the kind that takes a long time to cook. When you had

rice was it brown rice that is slower to digest? I think from my own

experience that Kamut is fairly high GI.

Also, do you eat starchy vegetables? Like sweet potato and peas and

squash?

Re pumpernickel...it was an avoid...you would have to look it up on the

list to see what it is now. I find that I get clogged up when I eat much

of it.

Glycemic load is something I read about here and it makes sense to

me....what you eat with the higher glycemic food and how much of it.

Have a search on that term. I have been meaning to....don't know who the

author of that concept is.

How are you testing your blood sugar? And what are the values ...10

minutes after, 1 hour after? You know, of course that the blood sugar is

supposed to rise and then the body deals with it...does yours stay high?

Or does sugar cause a reactive hypoglycemia?

Tell us more and perhpas we can help.

Ann

Re: Pumpernickel

...Recently I had to cut the bread, the muffin and even the fruit

because

my blood sugar was too high. I then decided to take a bowl of Millet

Rice with almonds, pumkin seeds and flax seeds until I found out that

Millet rice is high GI so I stopped. ... I found an

interesting book entitled " The Glucose Revolutionary " . From my

reading

that's why I would like to

know about Pumpernickel bread for O.

> Try eating 1gr of protein per bodyweight along with enough veggies

and

> some fruits and HB fat with each meal. That is the O diet.

> Leave the bread for those that are " unaware " .

> M2c

[Guest guest]

But , She is having difficulty with fat...no gallbladder. I try for a

reasonable balance albeit higher in fats and proteins than in carbs.

I enjoyed the fish soup, BTW....am collecting recipes. Ann

[Guest guest]

Didn't know that.

Re: Pumpernickel

But , She is having difficulty with fat...no gallbladder. I try

for a reasonable balance albeit higher in fats and proteins than in

carbs.

I enjoyed the fish soup, BTW....am collecting recipes. Ann