Re: Sugars and Starches and Blood Type Food Values

[Guest guest]

thanks for emphasizing 's work. I often wonder why so many

people are keep looking elsewhere for the Magic Answer. It is all in

ER/LR4YT. m2c

Sugars and Starches and Blood Type Food Values

I'm afraid that someone mis-informed you. Amylopectin creates a far

higher glycemic response than amylose due to it's branched (vs linear)

configuration12.

Fructose (found in fruits) and galactose don't cause much insulin

secretion, which is why sucrose, which is half fructose, has a lower GI

than many starches. Additionally, the enzymes that reduce disaccharides

and convert them to glycogen reduce the level of glucose in the

bloodstream. Unripe fruits have lower GI's. For example, an unripe

banana is almost 90% starch (some of which is resistant starch). The GI

rises as the starches turn into sugars. Upon ripening, the starch

content in a banana is less than ten percent3.

Resistant starch

While starch was long thought to be completely digested, it is now

recognized that there is a portion (resistant starch) which resists

digestion, passes into the lower intestine, and is fermented there.

Resistant starch has been defined as " the sum of starch and products of

starch degradation not absorbed in the small intestine of healthy

individuals " (41). Three types of resistant starch have been identified

(41,42):

I've snipped the RS1 & RS3 for brevity. See the source for more

info. -R

2. RS2 - Resistant starch granules: Certain raw (native) starch

granules, such as potato and green banana, are known to resist attack by

a -amylase. This is probably related to the crystalline nature of the

starch (i.e., crystalline regions of the starch granule are less

susceptible to attack by acid and enzymes than the amorphous regions).

Gelatinization normally occurs during cooking and food processing,

although the extent is dependent on the moisture content of the food

product and may not be complete in water-limited systems (e.g. sugar

cookies). Gelatinized starch is much more rapidly digested by enzymes

than is raw starch. Gelatinized potato and green banana starch are

digested by a -amylases4.

Raw banana's generally have about 40-60% of the glycemic response of

glucose5. Beets, carrots, and sweet potatoes all have similar values6.

Oftentimes, foods that seem to have a high GI actually contain

phytochemicals that lower the glycemic response7.

In short, trust Dr. D'Adamo's food values more than any glycemic index

value. Believe me, he is well aware of the glycemic index and makes his

food value determinations while taking it into consideration. Grains

(high-amylopectin) are the things to be avoided for Diabetics.

Be well,

P.S. Ann, you may now consider your question of Tuesday, September 10,

2002, namely: " What kind of sugar is in starchy vegetables and how does

starch differ from sugars? " answered. Thanks for keeping me on my

toes. -RDP

1.) http://www.fao.org/docrep/w8079e/w8079e0m.htm

2.) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~ckk0121/Amylose.html

3.) http://www.supplements2000.com/nutrition/constant.html

4.) http://www.fao.org/docrep/w8079e/w8079e0h.htm

5.) http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm

6.) Ibid.

7.) Note the watermelon reference here:

http://www.dadamo.com/columns/begin/ask2.pl?20020518.txt

On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 10:57 AM, Jaen Treesinger wrote:

> beets, carrots, banana, and sweet potatoes have very high levels of

> amylose which is changed immediately to sugar, beginning in the

> mouth's saliva.......a no no for anyone w/ Type 2 Diabetes.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/2002 9:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

info@... writes:

<< I often wonder why so many

people are keep looking elsewhere for the Magic Answer. >>

From what I've found, they seem to think it's a pill solution or a starvation

diet. I am amazed that I can't seem to convince ANYONE about the BTD. I

guess they're just not sick enough yet. There seems to be some hope though

from some main stream reports I've come across here and there. In spite of

tremendous resistance, some of these findings are getting to the public.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Well, I just spent the past couple of hours trying to wade through all

this material...have bookmarked too to come back to later but alas, have quite a

pile waiting already.

I thought that the article on GI load was particularlyt interesting. I guess

that I take from all that that fruits are less challenging to the system than

grains in general. I wish I had more time to really simplify and

therefore " digest " all the info there. but I am leaving for Europe in a few days

and as usual have lots to do.

Re my question answered...???...pretty complex....no short answer.

I guess that in fine tuning my diet that I learn some new distinctions beyond

just what are Avoids vs Beneficial etc. ie some Neutrals are more problematic

than others.

Thanks for your help. Ann

Fructose (found in fruits) and galactose don't cause much insulin

secretion, which is why sucrose, which is half fructose, has a lower GI

than many starches. .....

... there is a portion (resistant starch) which resists

digestion, passes into the lower intestine, and is fermented there.

....

...In short, trust Dr. D'Adamo's food values more than any glycemic index

value. Believe me, he is well aware of the glycemic index and makes his

food value determinations while taking it into consideration. Grains

(high-amylopectin) are the things to be avoided for Diabetics.

P.S. Ann, you may now consider your question of Tuesday, September 10,

2002, namely: " What kind of sugar is in starchy vegetables and how does

starch differ from sugars? " answered. Thanks for keeping me on my

toes. -RDP

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. Noone (family or friends) listen to me regarding the

BTD, but then I am not a doctor or nurse.

All the evidence I have is how much healthier I have become.

Although I wasn't " real " sick, but did get rid of my dermatologist.

Hehe....

Love, Gaye

I am amazed that I can't seem to convince ANYONE about the BTD. I

> guess they're just not sick enough yet. There seems to be some

hope though from some main stream reports I've come across here and

there. In spite of tremendous resistance, some of these findings

are getting to the public.

[Guest guest]

These are my opinions now too. Even though the blood type diet isn't that

extreme (except for the no wheat part), no one wants to try it. I believe they

aren't desperate enough. I was. There are so many fad diets out there that no

one can figure out what's really healthy for them anymore. I listened to people

who had gone to the naturopath I was considering and how much healthier they are

then they were before. Plus, I had nothing to lose. Until you get to that

point and you have people with the right info and experience to convince you,

you tend to " listen and nod " .

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Re: Sugars and Starches and Blood Type Food Values

Yes, I agree. Noone (family or friends) listen to me regarding the

BTD, but then I am not a doctor or nurse.

All the evidence I have is how much healthier I have become.

Although I wasn't " real " sick, but did get rid of my dermatologist.

Hehe....

Love, Gaye

I am amazed that I can't seem to convince ANYONE about the BTD. I

> guess they're just not sick enough yet. There seems to be some

hope though from some main stream reports I've come across here and

there. In spite of tremendous resistance, some of these findings

are getting to the public.

[Guest guest]

-Do you ever think some people like to stay the way they are because

it gives them attention from others. Like feeling sorry for them. I

have a daughter who is 22. She smokes is pre-diabetic but refuses

not to give up eating bags of candy daily. She is on I believe on 7

different kinds of medicine. She is always sick, I mean always.

She's overweight and miserable. I believe she likes people to feel

sorry for her. But I dont, I told her to get healthy or she will die

from diabetes its up to her. Her female organs dont work properly

and she has a 3yr old. I told her if she gets sick her x get the

child its her choice. Everytime she tells me she might have to have

surgery, I tell her this is just what you wanted right.

-- In @y..., " & Bruce Doyle " <bruce.doyle@s...> wrote:

> These are my opinions now too. Even though the blood type diet

isn't that extreme (except for the no wheat part), no one wants to

try it. I believe they aren't desperate enough. ]

[Guest guest]

You have a point, , but don't forget that you're her mother. I don't

listen to my mother either! LOL! And she doesn't listen to me! I'd say you're

too close to the situation for her to listen to you. But I still think you're

right that she might be doing it to get the attention.

I wonder if someone whose opinion she respected told her the same things you've

told her, would she listen and change some things?

Re: Sugars and Starches and Blood Type Food Values

-Do you ever think some people like to stay the way they are because it gives

them attention from others. Like feeling sorry for them. I have a daughter who

is 22. She smokes is pre-diabetic but refuses not to give up eating bags of

candy daily. She is on I believe on 7 different kinds of medicine. She is

always sick, I mean always.

She's overweight and miserable. I believe she likes people to feel sorry for

her. But I dont, I told her to get healthy or she will die from diabetes its up

to her. Her female organs dont work properly and she has a 3yr old. I told her

if she gets sick her x get the child its her choice. Everytime she tells me she

might have to have surgery, I tell her this is just what you wanted right.

[Guest guest]

-The problem with both my twins are that they are hypoglycemic since

birth. Both there grandparents are diabetics on my husbands side.

The one twin is pregnant and so far from home. I dont know of anyone

that she would listen to as of today. She is very stubborn and your

right. The only thing is my mother didnt give advice she made me

solve my problems from an early age. So I had to grown up fast and

make decions on my own. So I have somewhat babied my children as to

save them from growing up fast.

-- In @y..., " & Bruce Doyle " <bruce.doyle@s...> wrote:

> You have a point, , but don't forget that you're her mother.

I don't listen to my mother either! and Blood Type Food Values

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree....

Just want to add.... " Your last Diet " by kathleen Des Maisons has a lot of good

sense ...a friend of mine found it very helpful. I have read it and it explains

a lot. Available on the internet with a support group.

Re: Re: Sugars and Starches and Blood Type Food Values

I guess I'll weigh in in defense of your daughter. It

may not be that she's not trying to listen to you - it

may be that her system overrides any thought (she

probably does regret after the fact). As a carb food

addict - we that are overweight truly have a hard time

(more than others) in trying to control our intake...

[Guest guest]

--Please understand I am not critizing her weight. I have been

overweight my whole life. And I understand what it is and how hard

it is to lose weight. This is the second time in her life that she

is heavy due to medication that she is taken.. Iam more concerned

about the sugar that can kill her. Her Grandfather is in renal

failure due to the same problem. And I dont want to bury her, I

almost lost her at birth and my twins are my miracle babies. The

doctor gave them up as dead. But I didnt and I raised them with

strength to live on. She has always been 105lbs. And I think she is

beautiful no matter what she weights. With the excess sugar she

takes in she has had convulusions. But sometimes the eating is not

her problem. She has put herself in bad situations for being so

young. And this is what had promoted her to smoking,eating just

sugar. When my daughter lived with us, she was not overweight maybe

too underweight. And she was not taken meds. Since she got herself

another controlling man in her life. It might kill her. And she is

on the road to distruction. Except this time its not just her, she

has a beautiful little boy that needs her. And his father does not

want him.. So Iam trying to convince her to take care of herself so

he wont feel alone and have to live with his father. He would not

let us have contact with the child if anything would happen to her

because he was controlling and she left him. So please understand I

use to be called bubba the whale. So I understand very well how

people look and talk about you. And how they think you should just

have self control.

- In @y..., Wish <aduladi@y...> wrote:

> I guess I'll weigh in in defense of your daughter. It

> may not be that she's not trying to listen to you - it

> may be that her system overrides any thought (she

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