Re: Prisons still to gear up for bird flu pandemic

[Guest guest]

on the other hand, prisons are designed for isolation,

so they could maybe isolate from the contaminated outside

and thus were even safer ?!

[Guest guest]

But they are all overcrowded and put two to three per cell. And the

health care in prison is the worst.

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> on the other hand, prisons are designed for isolation,

> so they could maybe isolate from the contaminated outside

> and thus were even safer ?!

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[Guest guest]

When and how do illegal drugs enter the prison?

It happens all the time. Visiting day, staff interaction with

prisoners...

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> but how does the virus enter the cell ? Or the prison ?

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[Guest guest]

It would take quite an island facility to hold all the prisoners in the

U.S. As of 2000, the prison population of the U.S. was over 2 million

and I don't think it has shrunk any since then. And that doesn't count

the guards and administrative personnell. Could you imagine an

emergency evacuation of all 2 million prisoners to an (untested) off

shore prison? And one case of bird flu among the millions of criminals

in the new facility -- that would take care of the problem of

overcrowded prisons at least.

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> In einer eMail vom 19.04.2006 14:04:35 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit

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> a1tommyl@...:

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> actually, one sneeze from a passing guard that was at home the night

> before....

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> guards won't be let out at night.They sleep in the building.

> I remember the New Zealand plan, who want to put all prisoners

> on an extra island

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[Guest guest]

Which means that they are also perfect breeding grounds for the further

mutation of a human to human transmissible bird flu. Further, since

the prisons are well supplied with rats (the last US prison which

permitted cats closed a few years ago), we must wonder about that

interaction.

> Prisons are perfect breeding grounds for infection.

[Guest guest]

You cannot keep illegal drugs out of the prisons and you will not be

able to keep such a flu out. It is that simple.

[Guest guest]

There have been proposals to open a prison on one of the Aleutian

islands off the coast of Alaska. But the problem is that relatives

want to see prisoners, and prison staff do not want to live in such a

remote location: prisons do have to hire staff and pay them to live

where they do. So proposals to open a prison off the Alaskan coast have

failed despite the appeal that such a prison could be located so close

to Russia that escapees would find themselves unable to reach the US

mainland and would be forced to head for the Russian wilderness. I do

not believe that Russia has ever commented on such proposals.

A prison in the Arctic would only be for Federal prisoners. Since many

prisons are State prisons and not Federal prisons, they would not be a

part of this plan and so their prisoners would not fall under this. In

any case, a prison in the Arctic would merely be a new Alcatraz. It

would only hold the worst prisoners, not all of them.

http://www.nps.gov/alcatraz/

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/alcatraz.jsp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatraz_Island

[Guest guest]

Guenter,

One problem with this idea is that if you waited to move all the (2

million) prisoners until the pandemic was already a reality, you

would certainly miss a few infected people. Another problem is that

it would take a decade and billions of dollars to build such a mega

prison. A third problem is that the process of uprooting and moving

such a mass of criminal humanity on a few days' notice would be a

logistical nightmare of unprecedented proportions. Using all the

C5A Galaxy troop transports in the US would take weeks to move that

many people, and these are not willing passengers. Nor are they all

located near air bases. Think of the security, ground

transportation, feeding, sanitation, medical staff, administrative

staff that it would take to accomplish this feat. All the while the

families of the hundred thousand or so people involved in the

airlift would be sick and dying, not to mention the people recruited

to do the job. And then you would have to have daily transports of

food and supplies.

To think that the country would devote such incredible amount of

money and resources to such a mega-operation to save our prisoners

when the rest of the citizens are dropping like flies all over the

place is unrealistic, to use the mildest term I could think of.

And at the end you would have Devil's Island times 50,000 except

that some of the prisoners and staff would arrive with bird flu and

the rest would get it soon after. You might just as well

exterminate all the prisoners at the onset. It would have the same

effect but at much less cost. No, I am not suggesting we do

that!!!

-- Don

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> In einer eMail vom 21.04.2006 08:53:08 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit

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> jackalope_lepus@...:

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> You cannot keep illegal drugs out of the prisons and you will not

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> able to keep such a flu out. It is that simple.

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> you could, if you really wanted to. Just a question of priorities.

And these

> might change in a pandemic.

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[Guest guest]

Prison Doc Fired for Sleeping With Inmate Fri Apr 21, 7:47 AM ET

VARNER, Ark. - A psychologist with the Arkansas Correction Department

has been fired for allegedly having sex with an inmate, officials said.

The department did not name the 54-year-old woman because the matter is

still under investigation. Spokeswoman Dina Tyler said Thursday the

psychologist had sex with the inmate in her office at the Cummins Unit

on Monday.

It is illegal for a corrections employee to have sex with an inmate and

consent is not a defense, officials said.

http://news./s/ap/20060421/ap_on_fe_st/prison_psychologist_fire

d_1

> you could, if you really wanted to. Just a question of priorities.