Re: Re: Prisons still to gear up for bird flu pandemic

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but how does the virus enter the cell ? Or the prison ?

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In einer eMail vom 19.04.2006 13:16:26 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt jackalope_lepus@...:

When and how do illegal drugs enter the prison?It happens all the time. Visiting day, staff interaction with prisoners...

no visits in a pandemic.

Staff and prisoners both don't want H5N1, they cooperate to keep it out.

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In einer eMail vom 19.04.2006 14:04:35 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt a1tommyl@...:

actually, one sneeze from a passing guard that was at home the nightbefore....

guards won't be let out at night.They sleep in the building.

I remember the New Zealand plan, who want to put all prisoners

on an extra island

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actually, one sneeze from a passing guard that was at home the night

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when there is no egg, the best breeding conditions won't create a chick

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In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 00:00:04 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt DCFrench@...:

It would take quite an island facility to hold all the prisoners in the U.S. As of 2000, the prison population of the U.S. was over 2 million and I don't think it has shrunk any since then. And that doesn't count the guards and administrative personnell. Could you imagine an emergency evacuation of all 2 million prisoners to an (untested) off shore prison? And one case of bird flu among the millions of criminals in the new facility -- that would take care of the problem of overcrowded prisons at least.

yes, it's difficult, but are their chances worse than that of the rest of the population ?

It might even be worth to consider to isolate non-prisoners this way,

with strict discipline, rationed food, crowded barracks,little comfort - but on

isolated places where the virus can probably be kept out.

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In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 09:32:57 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt rboylern@...:

All it takes is one person to spread an infection. There's your egg.

I'm curious about your plan (and motivation) how to smuggle an infected person into

a quarantined prison under martial law in a pandemic.

And then, you could still isolate people in their cells.

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Prisons are perfect breeding grounds for infection.Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: But they are all overcrowded and put two to three per cell. And the health care in prison is the worst.>> on the other hand, prisons are designed for isolation,> so they could maybe isolate from the contaminated outside> and thus were even safer ?!> . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

-Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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It could be brought in by a visitor, a prison guard, the chaplain, people who might work in the kitchen ... many ways.sterten@... wrote: but how does the virus enter the cell ? Or the prison ? . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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I don't know how things work in Germany, but in the US it is a well known fact that prison staff and prisoners generally do not have a cooperative spirit.sterten@... wrote: In einer eMail vom 19.04.2006 13:16:26 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt jackalope_lepus@...: When and how do illegal drugs enter the prison?It happens all the time. Visiting day, staff interaction with prisoners... no visits in a pandemic. Staff and prisoners both don't want H5N1, they cooperate to keep it

out. . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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The presence of rats isn't a good thing. Bubonic plague is transmitted by the fleas that infest rats. Plague can be treated and cured with conventional antibiotics, but people get wickedly sick from it and could die. The presence of any highly communicable disease in a prison population spells disaster since, at least in the US, the medical care of prisoners is somewhat deficient. The question here is whether the H5N1 strain would be powerful enough to cause severe illness/death if it mutated into a human-human form. Some researchers have raised that question and I think it's been discussed here somewhat. I recall reading that a human-human form might be much weaker than the present form.Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: Which means that they are also perfect breeding grounds for the further mutation

of a human to human transmissible bird flu. Further, since the prisons are well supplied with rats (the last US prison which permitted cats closed a few years ago), we must wonder about that interaction.> Prisons are perfect breeding grounds for infection. . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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All it takes is one person to spread an infection. There's your egg. sterten@... wrote: when there is no egg, the best breeding conditions won't create a chick . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke

Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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There is no conceivable way our government could ever get it together enough to carry out such a plan. The whole world saw the dismal failure of our government in mobilizing relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina.sterten@... wrote: In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 00:00:04 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt DCFrench@...: It would take quite an island facility to hold all the prisoners in the U.S. As of 2000, the prison population of the U.S. was over 2 million and I don't think it has shrunk any since then. And that doesn't count

the guards and administrative personnell. Could you imagine an emergency evacuation of all 2 million prisoners to an (untested) off shore prison? And one case of bird flu among the millions of criminals in the new facility -- that would take care of the problem of overcrowded prisons at least. yes, it's difficult, but are their chances worse than that of the rest of the population ? It might even be worth to consider to isolate non-prisoners this way, with strict discipline, rationed food, crowded barracks,little comfort - but on isolated places where the virus can probably be kept out. . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

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In einer eMail vom 21.04.2006 08:53:08 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt jackalope_lepus@...:

You cannot keep illegal drugs out of the prisons and you will not be able to keep such a flu out. It is that simple.

you could, if you really wanted to. Just a question of priorities. And these

might change in a pandemic.