Re: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

[Guest guest]

Lesa,

Please use common sense. Make sure that your condition is not serious

(i.e. life-threatening). You can request that an ultrasound be done to

see if there is a blockage and have blood tests done to see if you have

an infection. You have your child to think about.

I've heard not to do the flushes when you are having an attack.

Also, make sure that it is your gallbladder and not some other serious

condition. See your doctor.

Lesa wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have doe two flushes over the past two months and still have the pain like

> a knife sticking under my right shoulder blade and under my rib cage in the

> back. I am hoping that another flush will rid me of this pain.

>

> Has anyone had this experience? I have read that the flushes will relieve

> the pain, but can it take many flushes? I don't want to give up but I may

> be running out of time. I have recently been thrust into single parenthood

> after having a stay home mom for the past 15 months and I have a very

> demanding and active 15 month old son. So I have to get out in the work

> force soon. The good news is that now I know the pain is from gallstones

> and not just having a big baby at 37 years of age. I had felt the pain was

> permanent and a part of life. After learning it's gallstones I feel hope,

> but the flushes aren't working (yet). Should I remain patient? I really

> don't want to have the surgery but I am getting pressure since I don't have

> any help with my son

>

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[Guest guest]

It's not always an easy road to take, this flushing, it isn't the cure all

for everyone as many can attest who have eventually had to get the surgery.

I would tend to believe your problem may be more of a liver problem. I can

only hope you're avoiding all the saturated and hydrogenated fats that are

so readily available from all kinds of sources. Eating fruit is perhaps one

of the best things you can do to get things relaxed. Now don't think by

fruit you're going to be limited to apples and oranges. Most anything grown

on trees or plants are fruits, so there are avocados, mangos, papaya,

tomatoes (I'm sure debated by some), nuts (another debate, but contains

EFAs), etc; the list can go on. Fresh is an important word to remember too.

Canned fruits are usually pretty dead and only act as volume, bulk, for the

intestines, but that's not all bad.

It may behoove you too to consider parasites as a possible problem. The

liver fluke is reported as being able to cause the same problems as

gallstones. So a diet of parasite cleansing my be in order too. One really

good source for that is pumpkin seeds, raw or cooked, it doesn't matter. A

couple of ounces, in volume, a day can do wonders.

There are other things to consider along with all the foods too; Colon

cleansing, colloidal silver, oxygen therapies, just to name a few, and

's advice about seeing a Doctor is certainly apropos.

Dale

Da_@...

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lesa " <AmourSea@...>

<gallstonesegroups>

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:43 AM

Subject: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have doe two flushes over the past two months and still have the pain

like

> a knife sticking under my right shoulder blade and under my rib cage in

the

> back. I am hoping that another flush will rid me of this pain.

>

> Has anyone had this experience? I have read that the flushes will relieve

> the pain, but can it take many flushes? I don't want to give up but I may

> be running out of time. I have recently been thrust into single

parenthood

> after having a stay home mom for the past 15 months and I have a very

> demanding and active 15 month old son. So I have to get out in the work

> force soon. The good news is that now I know the pain is from gallstones

> and not just having a big baby at 37 years of age. I had felt the pain

was

> permanent and a part of life. After learning it's gallstones I feel hope,

> but the flushes aren't working (yet). Should I remain patient? I really

> don't want to have the surgery but I am getting pressure since I don't

have

> any help with my son

>

>

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> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lesa,

What other things have you done apart from the flushes? That is what sort of

things are you eating, how much water are you drinking etc.?

a

-----Original Message-----

From: Lesa [mailto:AmourSea@...]

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:43 AM

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Subject: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

Hi everyone,

I have doe two flushes over the past two months and still have the pain like

a knife sticking under my right shoulder blade and under my rib cage in the

back. I am hoping that another flush will rid me of this pain.

Has anyone had this experience? I have read that the flushes will relieve

the pain, but can it take many flushes? I don't want to give up but I may

be running out of time. I have recently been thrust into single parenthood

after having a stay home mom for the past 15 months and I have a very

demanding and active 15 month old son. So I have to get out in the work

force soon. The good news is that now I know the pain is from gallstones

and not just having a big baby at 37 years of age. I had felt the pain was

permanent and a part of life. After learning it's gallstones I feel hope,

but the flushes aren't working (yet). Should I remain patient? I really

don't want to have the surgery but I am getting pressure since I don't have

any help with my son

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[Guest guest]

Dale where can you find oxygen therapies. Or what can one do on their

own.???

Rose

[Guest guest]

Here's a couple of places to learn about the use of oxygen and ozone.

http://healingtools.tripod.com/linksi.html#ofs

http://www.edelsoncenter.com/ozone_therapy.htm

http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/ozonemed.htm

http://health./health/alternative_medicine/alternative_therapies/Ox

ygen_Therapy

And probably the best site for information

http://www.oxytherapy.com/

I'm a very strong advocate for oxygen therapies as that's just one of the

other things I've done for my liver and gallbladder.

Dale

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----- Original Message -----

From: <munde@...>

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Cc: <gallstonesegroups>

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:18 PM

Subject: Re: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

> Dale where can you find oxygen therapies. Or what can one do on their

> own.???

> Rose

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you very much. I sure will check this all out. I have a book on

oxygen therapy, but really don't know much about it. So that will help/

Rose

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I had an ultrasound done Thanksgiving and there were no blockages. It

showed a slight thickening of the wall of my gallbladder and " several "

stones. The doctor recommended removal of my gallbladder though he said it

can wait since i don't have health insurance. I have not had the condition

checked since.

I have probably flushed 5 to 100 stones depending on the sizes one counts.

The pain in my shoulder blade and under my rib cage are constant...not

attacks. I have had those pains since my son was born and thought it was

back pain due to having a heavy baby to carry around.

I had 4 major gallbladder attacks from August to November of 2000, those

that feel like a heart attack for 5-6 hours. I have not had attacks since

Thanksgiving. Since then, I have reduced my fat intake though I have not

completely eliminated it. I have drunk tons of apple juice.

Another positive note is that I have lost 15 pounds. Pounds I have been

unable to drop at all since my son was born. I am not sure if this is due

to my diet or the stress of discovering I was married to a drug addict who

is in jail for charges stemming from crack cocaine use, thereby leaving me

broke and alone with a beautiful and very active 15 month old son to handle

on my own while trying to find financial assistance, etc. I have been a

stay home mom and the pain is preventing me from getting a job at the

moment.

So I can't be certain whether my pain is all from gallstones or stress,

which is why I am not rushing into surgery.

This week I will try a fruit diet and see what happens with the pain. I plan

to drink juices, water and herbal teas only. It certainly can't hurt.

I appreciate everyone's input. I know I will find the answers that are right

for me. I really don't have time for surgery, even though I hear it is

simple, I was told I shouldn't lift my son for 3 weeks or so if I have the

surgery. Also, I need to work so I don't have time to wait too long to heal

this naturally. Finally, I don't have time for it to get worse either.

Thanks.

Lesa

[Guest guest]

Dale,

I appreciate your information and ideas. I have also been thinking along

the lines of paarasites and cleansing surrounding organs.

My concern there is that my son stil nurses and I am not sure how safe that

would be. I actually bought a iver cleanse product last week at the health

food store but then got scared it could affect my son. I am no longer his

primary source of nutrition but he does still nurse so I am not sure.

Does anyone know how safe the homeo remedies are for nursing mothers?

As I posted earlier,I am going to give an all fruit diet a try for a week..

Thank you.

Lesa

[Guest guest]

;

Are you able to grip your rib cage and push your fingers in to the area

along the rib cage? Or do you find it very uncomfortable or painful at any

particular location? You need to be relaxed when attempting this and only

press firmly.

Dale

Da_@...

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lesa " <AmourSea@...>

<gallstonesegroups>

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

> Hi ,

>

> I had an ultrasound done Thanksgiving and there were no blockages. It

> showed a slight thickening of the wall of my gallbladder and " several "

> stones. The doctor recommended removal of my gallbladder though he said

it

> can wait since i don't have health insurance. I have not had the

condition

> checked since.

>

> I have probably flushed 5 to 100 stones depending on the sizes one counts.

>

> The pain in my shoulder blade and under my rib cage are constant...not

> attacks. I have had those pains since my son was born and thought it was

> back pain due to having a heavy baby to carry around.

>

> I had 4 major gallbladder attacks from August to November of 2000, those

> that feel like a heart attack for 5-6 hours. I have not had attacks since

> Thanksgiving. Since then, I have reduced my fat intake though I have not

> completely eliminated it. I have drunk tons of apple juice.

>

> Another positive note is that I have lost 15 pounds. Pounds I have been

> unable to drop at all since my son was born. I am not sure if this is due

> to my diet or the stress of discovering I was married to a drug addict who

> is in jail for charges stemming from crack cocaine use, thereby leaving me

> broke and alone with a beautiful and very active 15 month old son to

handle

> on my own while trying to find financial assistance, etc. I have been a

> stay home mom and the pain is preventing me from getting a job at the

> moment.

>

> So I can't be certain whether my pain is all from gallstones or stress,

> which is why I am not rushing into surgery.

>

> This week I will try a fruit diet and see what happens with the pain. I

plan

> to drink juices, water and herbal teas only. It certainly can't hurt.

>

> I appreciate everyone's input. I know I will find the answers that are

right

> for me. I really don't have time for surgery, even though I hear it is

> simple, I was told I shouldn't lift my son for 3 weeks or so if I have the

> surgery. Also, I need to work so I don't have time to wait too long to

heal

> this naturally. Finally, I don't have time for it to get worse either.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Lesa

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Lesa,

It is not recommended for nursing mothers to take those cleansing products.

It is better if you work on your diet at this time.

a

-----Original Message-----

From: Lesa [mailto:AmourSea@...]

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:13 AM

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Subject: Re: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

Dale,

I appreciate your information and ideas. I have also been thinking along

the lines of paarasites and cleansing surrounding organs.

My concern there is that my son stil nurses and I am not sure how safe that

would be. I actually bought a iver cleanse product last week at the health

food store but then got scared it could affect my son. I am no longer his

primary source of nutrition but he does still nurse so I am not sure.

Does anyone know how safe the homeo remedies are for nursing mothers?

As I posted earlier,I am going to give an all fruit diet a try for a week..

Thank you.

Lesa

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Lesa,

I've been putting heat on the shoulder blade or wherever it hurts when I

go to bed each night. It helps. Also, ibuprofen was recommended to

reduce inflammation and that helps.

Looks like you are better with diet and weight changes. I can't speak

to the flushes because I never got that far.

As I've mentioned, I wound up with another condition altogether that had

the same symptoms as a gallbladder problem. I'm still waiting on the

tests results to find out what is really wrong with me. I'm amazed that

the pains were the same, and in the same places, but it was something

else entirely. The body is pretty interesting.

Apples give me pain. I tried apple juice and it made me worse.

Everyone's different. Keep hanging in there. I'd like to see you

getting some help (relief) with your son and some support (love) for

yourself. The stress can't be helping your body. You're going through a

lot.

Lesa wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I had an ultrasound done Thanksgiving and there were no blockages. It

> showed a slight thickening of the wall of my gallbladder and " several "

> stones. The doctor recommended removal of my gallbladder though he said it

> can wait since i don't have health insurance. I have not had the condition

> checked since.

>

> I have probably flushed 5 to 100 stones depending on the sizes one counts.

>

> The pain in my shoulder blade and under my rib cage are constant...not

> attacks. I have had those pains since my son was born and thought it was

> back pain due to having a heavy baby to carry around.

>

> I had 4 major gallbladder attacks from August to November of 2000, those

> that feel like a heart attack for 5-6 hours. I have not had attacks since

> Thanksgiving. Since then, I have reduced my fat intake though I have not

> completely eliminated it. I have drunk tons of apple juice.

>

> Another positive note is that I have lost 15 pounds. Pounds I have been

> unable to drop at all since my son was born. I am not sure if this is due

> to my diet or the stress of discovering I was married to a drug addict who

> is in jail for charges stemming from crack cocaine use, thereby leaving me

> broke and alone with a beautiful and very active 15 month old son to handle

> on my own while trying to find financial assistance, etc. I have been a

> stay home mom and the pain is preventing me from getting a job at the

> moment.

>

> So I can't be certain whether my pain is all from gallstones or stress,

> which is why I am not rushing into surgery.

>

> This week I will try a fruit diet and see what happens with the pain. I plan

> to drink juices, water and herbal teas only. It certainly can't hurt.

>

> I appreciate everyone's input. I know I will find the answers that are right

> for me. I really don't have time for surgery, even though I hear it is

> simple, I was told I shouldn't lift my son for 3 weeks or so if I have the

> surgery. Also, I need to work so I don't have time to wait too long to heal

> this naturally. Finally, I don't have time for it to get worse either.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Lesa

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lesa

I can sense you may be in doubt now of what is really troubling you, of when

you will be able to get your gallbladder remove (don't hope for removal,

please) . This can induce fear and anxiety in you. You might have some

emotions that are unconsciously troubling you. You may try kinesiology -to

get your emotions, if any located and cleared?

Wishing you good health

phine

-----Original Message-----

From: Bramer <kjbramer@...>

gallstonesegroups <gallstonesegroups>

Date: Tuesday, 23 January, 2001 6:51 PM

Subject: Re: pain in shoulder balde and under ribcage

>Lesa,

>

>I've been putting heat on the shoulder blade or wherever it hurts when I

>go to bed each night. It helps. Also, ibuprofen was recommended to

>reduce inflammation and that helps.

>

>Looks like you are better with diet and weight changes. I can't speak

>to the flushes because I never got that far.

>

>As I've mentioned, I wound up with another condition altogether that had

>the same symptoms as a gallbladder problem. I'm still waiting on the

>tests results to find out what is really wrong with me. I'm amazed that

>the pains were the same, and in the same places, but it was something

>else entirely. The body is pretty interesting.

>

>Apples give me pain. I tried apple juice and it made me worse.

>Everyone's different. Keep hanging in there. I'd like to see you

>getting some help (relief) with your son and some support (love) for

>yourself. The stress can't be helping your body. You're going through a

>lot.

>

>

>

>Lesa wrote:

>>

>> Hi ,

>>

>> I had an ultrasound done Thanksgiving and there were no blockages. It

>> showed a slight thickening of the wall of my gallbladder and " several "

>> stones. The doctor recommended removal of my gallbladder though he said

it

>> can wait since i don't have health insurance. I have not had the

condition

>> checked since.

>>

>> I have probably flushed 5 to 100 stones depending on the sizes one

counts.

>>

>> The pain in my shoulder blade and under my rib cage are constant...not

>> attacks. I have had those pains since my son was born and thought it was

>> back pain due to having a heavy baby to carry around.

>>

>> I had 4 major gallbladder attacks from August to November of 2000, those

>> that feel like a heart attack for 5-6 hours. I have not had attacks

since

>> Thanksgiving. Since then, I have reduced my fat intake though I have not

>> completely eliminated it. I have drunk tons of apple juice.

>>

>> Another positive note is that I have lost 15 pounds. Pounds I have been

>> unable to drop at all since my son was born. I am not sure if this is

due

>> to my diet or the stress of discovering I was married to a drug addict

who

>> is in jail for charges stemming from crack cocaine use, thereby leaving

me

>> broke and alone with a beautiful and very active 15 month old son to

handle

>> on my own while trying to find financial assistance, etc. I have been a

>> stay home mom and the pain is preventing me from getting a job at the

>> moment.

>>

>> So I can't be certain whether my pain is all from gallstones or stress,

>> which is why I am not rushing into surgery.

>>

>> This week I will try a fruit diet and see what happens with the pain. I

plan

>> to drink juices, water and herbal teas only. It certainly can't hurt.

>>

>> I appreciate everyone's input. I know I will find the answers that are

right

>> for me. I really don't have time for surgery, even though I hear it is

>> simple, I was told I shouldn't lift my son for 3 weeks or so if I have

the

>> surgery. Also, I need to work so I don't have time to wait too long to

heal

>> this naturally. Finally, I don't have time for it to get worse either.

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>> Lesa

>>

>> Collected testimonials:

>> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

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>

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