Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Commentary Human H5N1 Bird Flu in China Raise Pandemic Concerns Recombinomics Commentary April 3, 2006 China has released three human H5N1 bird flu sequences. These sequences are similar to each other and most closely related to a duck isolate in Fujian Province. However, these isolates are quite distinct from other H5N1 sequences in China and elsewhere. Consequently, the pandemic vaccine in clinical trails around the world and the new vaccine target from Indonesia that was recently selected by the United States will not offer significant protection against these newly released sequences from China. Moreover, the vaccines under development will also offer little protection against the Qinghai strain which is linked to recent human outbreaks in Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and Azaerbaijan. Thus, at this time there are four distinct H5N1's causing fatal human infections which will likely require custom pandemic vaccines. Thus, as H5N1 evolves, the distance between vaccines under development and new versions of H5N1 cause human infections is increasing. In 2004 human cases in Vietnam and Thailand were linked to a similar H5N1. Last year Indonesia and China reported human cases and the recent release of sequence data clearly shows that the H5N1 in humans in Indonesia is quite distinct from H5N1 infecting humans in China and all three versions are distinct from the Qinghai strain of H5N1 causing human infections in the Middle East and Africa. The spread of human H5N1 cases has also been associated with changes in the receptor binding domain. The first reports were identified in 2003 isolates from a Hong Kong family that had visited Fujian province. The H5N1 isolated from the patients contained S227N. This change was subsequently found in human isolate(s) in Vietnam and most recently in the index case in Turkey. One of the isolates from China has a change at the adjacent position, Q226R. Unlike the S227N change, Q226R has not been linked to increased affinity for human receptors, although Q226L is the change in human H3 HA that has been linked to increased affinity. Another change, G228S ahs been predicted for Europe due to recombination between Qinghai H5N1 and European swine H1N1. In addition to these changes within the receptor binding domain, changes near the receptor binding domain, (P185S, N186S, R193K) have been recently reported in Iraq and China. These changes in and around the receptor binding domain are cause for concern because donor sequences are frequently found in flu from birds and the H5N1 host and geographical ranges are rapidly expanding. The number of changes is also not know because many of the recent human isolates have been sequestered in a private WHO database. The human H5N1 sequences from Iraq, Indonesia, and China have been released in the past few weeks. However, human sequences from Turkey, Azerbaijan., Egypt and additional sequences from China and Indonesia have not been released, so additional polymorphisms linked to the receptor binding domain may have already entered the reservoir of human H5N1 infections. H5N1 is clearly rapidly evolving via recombination, as efforts to address these genetic changes continue to lag. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04030603/H5N1_China_Pandemic.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 so what exactly does this mean now. since there are 4 seperate strains, does the chance of one mutating/recombining increase x 4?? Lee wrote: >Commentary >Human H5N1 Bird Flu in China Raise Pandemic Concerns >Recombinomics Commentary >April 3, 2006 >China has released three human H5N1 bird flu sequences. These >sequences are similar to each other and most closely related to a >duck isolate in Fujian Province. However, these isolates are quite >distinct from other H5N1 sequences in China and elsewhere. >Consequently, the pandemic vaccine in clinical trails around the >world and the new vaccine target from Indonesia that was recently >selected by the United States will not offer significant protection >against these newly released sequences from China. Moreover, the >vaccines under development will also offer little protection against >the Qinghai strain which is linked to recent human outbreaks in >Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and Azaerbaijan. > >Thus, at this time there are four distinct H5N1's causing fatal human >infections which will likely require custom pandemic vaccines. Thus, >as H5N1 evolves, the distance between vaccines under development and >new versions of H5N1 cause human infections is increasing. In 2004 >human cases in Vietnam and Thailand were linked to a similar H5N1. >Last year Indonesia and China reported human cases and the recent >release of sequence data clearly shows that the H5N1 in humans in >Indonesia is quite distinct from H5N1 infecting humans in China and >all three versions are distinct from the Qinghai strain of H5N1 >causing human infections in the Middle East and Africa. > >The spread of human H5N1 cases has also been associated with changes >in the receptor binding domain. The first reports were identified in >2003 isolates from a Hong Kong family that had visited Fujian >province. The H5N1 isolated from the patients contained S227N. This >change was subsequently found in human isolate(s) in Vietnam and most >recently in the index case in Turkey. > >One of the isolates from China has a change at the adjacent position, >Q226R. Unlike the S227N change, Q226R has not been linked to >increased affinity for human receptors, although Q226L is the change >in human H3 HA that has been linked to increased affinity. Another >change, G228S ahs been predicted for Europe due to recombination >between Qinghai H5N1 and European swine H1N1. > >In addition to these changes within the receptor binding domain, >changes near the receptor binding domain, (P185S, N186S, R193K) have >been recently reported in Iraq and China. These changes in and >around the receptor binding domain are cause for concern because >donor sequences are frequently found in flu from birds and the H5N1 >host and geographical ranges are rapidly expanding. > >The number of changes is also not know because many of the recent >human isolates have been sequestered in a private WHO database. The >human H5N1 sequences from Iraq, Indonesia, and China have been >released in the past few weeks. However, human sequences from >Turkey, Azerbaijan., Egypt and additional sequences from China and >Indonesia have not been released, so additional polymorphisms linked >to the receptor binding domain may have already entered the reservoir >of human H5N1 infections. > >H5N1 is clearly rapidly evolving via recombination, as efforts to >address these genetic changes continue to lag. >http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04030603/H5N1_China_Pandemic.html > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Not necessarily. It's like the hepatitis c virus, kind of, which has many different mutations which we call genotypes. That's why they can't make a vaccine against hepatitis C, which is a RNA retro virus. They mutate easily, while DNA viruses do not. I'm not sure if H5N1 is DNA or RNA, although I suspect it's DNA. Does anyone know for sure? Colleen Elke <avalon@...> wrote: so what exactly does this mean now. since there are 4 seperate strains, does the chance of one mutating/recombining increase x 4??Lee wrote:>Commentary>Human H5N1 Bird Flu in China Raise Pandemic Concerns>Recombinomics Commentary>April 3, 2006>China has released three human H5N1 bird flu sequences. These >sequences are similar to each other and most closely related to a >duck isolate in Fujian Province. However, these isolates are quite >distinct from other H5N1 sequences in China and elsewhere. >Consequently, the pandemic vaccine in clinical trails around the >world and the new vaccine target from Indonesia that was recently >selected by the United States will not offer significant protection >against these newly released sequences from China. Moreover, the >vaccines under development will also offer little protection against >the Qinghai strain which is linked to recent human outbreaks in >Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and Azaerbaijan.>>Thus, at this time there are four distinct H5N1's causing fatal human >infections which will likely require custom pandemic vaccines. Thus, >as H5N1 evolves, the distance between vaccines under development and >new versions of H5N1 cause human infections is increasing. In 2004 >human cases in Vietnam and Thailand were linked to a similar H5N1. >Last year Indonesia and China reported human cases and the recent >release of sequence data clearly shows that the H5N1 in humans in >Indonesia is quite distinct from H5N1 infecting humans in China and >all three versions are distinct from the Qinghai strain of H5N1 >causing human infections in the Middle East and Africa.>>The spread of human H5N1 cases has also been associated with changes >in the receptor binding domain. The first reports were identified in >2003 isolates from a Hong Kong family that had visited Fujian >province. The H5N1 isolated from the patients contained S227N. This >change was subsequently found in human isolate(s) in Vietnam and most >recently in the index case in Turkey.>>One of the isolates from China has a change at the adjacent position, >Q226R. Unlike the S227N change, Q226R has not been linked to >increased affinity for human receptors, although Q226L is the change >in human H3 HA that has been linked to increased affinity. Another >change, G228S ahs been predicted for Europe due to recombination >between Qinghai H5N1 and European swine H1N1.>>In addition to these changes within the receptor binding domain, >changes near the receptor binding domain, (P185S, N186S, R193K) have >been recently reported in Iraq and China. These changes in and >around the receptor binding domain are cause for concern because >donor sequences are frequently found in flu from birds and the H5N1 >host and geographical ranges are rapidly expanding.>>The number of changes is also not know because many of the recent >human isolates have been sequestered in a private WHO database. The >human H5N1 sequences from Iraq, Indonesia, and China have been >released in the past few weeks. However, human sequences from >Turkey, Azerbaijan., Egypt and additional sequences from China and >Indonesia have not been released, so additional polymorphisms linked >to the receptor binding domain may have already entered the reservoir >of human H5N1 infections.>>H5N1 is clearly rapidly evolving via recombination, as efforts to >address these genetic changes continue to lag.>http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04030603/H5N1_China_Pandemic.html>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi , dr. Niman is participating in discussion on the avian flu forum. he commented that 1 one of those strains would likely appear in birds here in the us. the other 3 via plane. check itout http://www.avianfluforum.com Lee wrote: >Commentary >Human H5N1 Bird Flu in China Raise Pandemic Concerns >Recombinomics Commentary >April 3, 2006 >China has released three human H5N1 bird flu sequences. These >sequences are similar to each other and most closely related to a >duck isolate in Fujian Province. However, these isolates are quite >distinct from other H5N1 sequences in China and elsewhere. >Consequently, the pandemic vaccine in clinical trails around the >world and the new vaccine target from Indonesia that was recently >selected by the United States will not offer significant protection >against these newly released sequences from China. Moreover, the >vaccines under development will also offer little protection against >the Qinghai strain which is linked to recent human outbreaks in >Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and Azaerbaijan. > >Thus, at this time there are four distinct H5N1's causing fatal human >infections which will likely require custom pandemic vaccines. Thus, >as H5N1 evolves, the distance between vaccines under development and >new versions of H5N1 cause human infections is increasing. In 2004 >human cases in Vietnam and Thailand were linked to a similar H5N1. >Last year Indonesia and China reported human cases and the recent >release of sequence data clearly shows that the H5N1 in humans in >Indonesia is quite distinct from H5N1 infecting humans in China and >all three versions are distinct from the Qinghai strain of H5N1 >causing human infections in the Middle East and Africa. > >The spread of human H5N1 cases has also been associated with changes >in the receptor binding domain. The first reports were identified in >2003 isolates from a Hong Kong family that had visited Fujian >province. The H5N1 isolated from the patients contained S227N. This >change was subsequently found in human isolate(s) in Vietnam and most >recently in the index case in Turkey. > >One of the isolates from China has a change at the adjacent position, >Q226R. Unlike the S227N change, Q226R has not been linked to >increased affinity for human receptors, although Q226L is the change >in human H3 HA that has been linked to increased affinity. Another >change, G228S ahs been predicted for Europe due to recombination >between Qinghai H5N1 and European swine H1N1. > >In addition to these changes within the receptor binding domain, >changes near the receptor binding domain, (P185S, N186S, R193K) have >been recently reported in Iraq and China. These changes in and >around the receptor binding domain are cause for concern because >donor sequences are frequently found in flu from birds and the H5N1 >host and geographical ranges are rapidly expanding. > >The number of changes is also not know because many of the recent >human isolates have been sequestered in a private WHO database. The >human H5N1 sequences from Iraq, Indonesia, and China have been >released in the past few weeks. However, human sequences from >Turkey, Azerbaijan., Egypt and additional sequences from China and >Indonesia have not been released, so additional polymorphisms linked >to the receptor binding domain may have already entered the reservoir >of human H5N1 infections. > >H5N1 is clearly rapidly evolving via recombination, as efforts to >address these genetic changes continue to lag. >http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04030603/H5N1_China_Pandemic.html > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 It means what it says " H5N1 is clearly rapidly evolving via recombination, as efforts to address these genetic changes continue to lag. " And there is the suggestion that as H5N1 spreads it will continue to rapidly evolve. > so what exactly does this mean now. since there are 4 seperate strains, > does the chance of one mutating/recombining increase x 4?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@... Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AM Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 No, not all viruses are RNA. However, I just found out that avian flu is indeed RNA. Here's the website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae The info you're looking for is a bit more than halfway down the page. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Colleen, I didn’t say all viruses, I said that I think that all FLU viruses are RNA. This would be why have to get a flu shot very year, flu viruses change quickly. From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:06 PM Flu Subject: RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections No, not all viruses are RNA. However, I just found out that avian flu is indeed RNA. Here's the website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae The info you're looking for is a bit more than halfway down the page. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@... Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AM Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Influenza B and Influenza C are both DNA viruses. Only Influenza A is RNA. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Colleen, I didn’t say all viruses, I said that I think that all FLU viruses are RNA. This would be why have to get a flu shot very year, flu viruses change quickly. From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawkSent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:06 PMTo: Flu Subject: RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections No, not all viruses are RNA. However, I just found out that avian flu is indeed RNA. Here's the website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae The info you're looking for is a bit more than halfway down the page. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Please send a reference. My reference disagrees. Family Orthomyxoviridae - Influenza viruses The Orthomyxoviridae are a family of RNA viruses which infect vertebrates. It includes those viruses which cause influenza. Influenzavirus B is a genus in the virus family Orthomyxoviridae. The only species in this genus is called " Influenza B virus " .Influenzavirus C is a genus in the virus family Orthomyxoviridae. The only species in this genus is called " Influenza C virus " . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae#Types_of_influenza_virus From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:48 PM Flu Subject: RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections Influenza B and Influenza C are both DNA viruses. Only Influenza A is RNA. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Colleen, I didn’t say all viruses, I said that I think that all FLU viruses are RNA. This would be why have to get a flu shot very year, flu viruses change quickly. From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:06 PM Flu Subject: RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections No, not all viruses are RNA. However, I just found out that avian flu is indeed RNA. Here's the website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomyxoviridae The info you're looking for is a bit more than halfway down the page. Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@... Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AM Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Yes. The flu virus is an RNA virus. This makes it easy to disrupt the host cell's DNA/RNA protein making mechanisms and cause infection.Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Not all flu viruses are RNA. Only Influenza A is RNA. Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses. Colleen <rboylern@...> wrote: Yes. The flu virus is an RNA virus. This makes it easy to disrupt the host cell's DNA/RNA protein making mechanisms and cause infection.Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMTo: Flu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Colleen , All influenza viruses (all orthomyxoviruses) have RNA as their genetic material. Why do you continue to insist that "Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses." Please enlighten us. Maybe you know something or have a reference that we don't. RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections Not all flu viruses are RNA. Only Influenza A is RNA. Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses. Colleen <rboylern@...> wrote: Yes. The flu virus is an RNA virus. This makes it easy to disrupt the host cell's DNA/RNA protein making mechanisms and cause infection.Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read .. Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss .. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington .. Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I already gave one link for that. Do I need to give others? Colleen Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Colleen , All influenza viruses (all orthomyxoviruses) have RNA as their genetic material. Why do you continue to insist that "Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses." Please enlighten us. Maybe you know something or have a reference that we don't. RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections Not all flu viruses are RNA. Only Influenza A is RNA. Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses. Colleen <rboylern@...> wrote: Yes. The flu virus is an RNA virus. This makes it easy to disrupt the host cell's DNA/RNA protein making mechanisms and cause infection.Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I have not seen a link that led to anything that said that. I asked you for one, but I did not see one come across. Yes please send something if you have it! RE: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections Not all flu viruses are RNA. Only Influenza A is RNA. Influenza B and Influenza C are DNA viruses. Colleen <rboylern@...> wrote: Yes. The flu virus is an RNA virus. This makes it easy to disrupt the host cell's DNA/RNA protein making mechanisms and cause infection.Lynn Aker <lynn@...> wrote: Aren’t all flus an RNA virus which makes it change so easily ? From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:41 AMFlu Subject: Re: [Flu] 4 H5N1's causing fatal human infections influenza A is a negative RNA-virus, I read .. Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss .. It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington .. Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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