Vaccinate your kids or go to jail

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> Get Kids Vaccinated Or Else, Parents Told Pr. 's Threatens

Legal

> Action

> By

> <http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/nelson+hernandez/>

> Washington Post Staff Writer

> Wednesday, November 14, 2007; Page B01

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> The parents of more than 2,300 Prince 's County

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<http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Prince+'s+Count

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> tid=informline> students who failed to get needed vaccinations

could

> face fines of $50 a day and up to 10 days in jail if their children

do

> not meet the state's immunization requirements, county officials

said

> yesterday.

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> The threat of legal action is a last resort after months in which

Prince

> 's has struggled to get its 131,000 students immunized for

chicken

> pox and hepatitis B, as mandated by the state. More than 2,300

students

> have not been immunized and have been barred from attending schools,

> almost two months after a Sept. 20 deadline for meeting the

requirement.

> Washington Post Link

> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR20071\

> 11301408.html>

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Is this legal? Where are all the pro-vaccine-choice groups?

On 11/14/07 10:28 AM, " BSL1229@... " <BSL1229@...> wrote:

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Ron :

" The government should never have the power to require immunizations

or vaccinations. "

Congressman Ron (R-Texas) is the leading advocate for freedom in

our nation's capital. As a member of the U.S. House of

Representatives, Dr. tirelessly works for limited constitutional

government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary

policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his

constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. never votes

for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized

by the Constitution.

Health Freedom

Americans are justifiably concerned over the government's escalating

intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they

take care of their health.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with

standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN`s

World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater

control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to

restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your

health and nutritional needs.

I have been the national leader in preserving Health Freedom.

I have introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to

ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about

supplements and natural remedies.

I support the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which

expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new

treatments.

I oppose legislation that increases the FDA`s legal powers. FDA has

consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs,

genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals

in the food supply. Meanwhile they waste public funds attacking safe,

healthy foods and dietary supplements

I also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, H.R. 5005, which, in

section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens

against small pox. The government should never have the power to

require immunizations or vaccinations.

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Re: " Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail "

A curious development is happening about this matter - it is not

getting much play in the media nationally. I find this a little

surprising. Usually this kind of government/parents controversy

ignites interest across the county -- but not this one. Do a Google

news search and you'll be lucky to find more than a handful of

mentions. Very curious.

Lenny

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Perhaps 'they' do not want to bring attention to the fact that there are educated parents that will fight to not vaccinate. usually it is only poor, black, uneducated types that do this. dont want to raise alarm bells do we?

Ange

Re: "Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail"

Re: "Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail"A curious development is happening about this matter - it is notgetting much play in the media nationally. I find this a littlesurprising. Usually this kind of government/parents controversyignites interest across the county -- but not this one. Do a Googlenews search and you'll be lucky to find more than a handful ofmentions. Very curious.Lenny

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One of the State's attorney's on this case spoke with .

You can hear it here:

http://prisonplanet.com/audio/151107ivey.mp3

It's interesting ... There is a hilarious part where this guy admits

that his child(ren) didn't get the Hep B vaccine. He is claiming

that the parents are being " educated " about the fact that they are

able to sign waivers for the vaccinations if they don't want their

children to get the shots... (hmmmmmmm)...

For anyone not familiar with ... He's a bit over the top

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> Re: " Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail "

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> A curious development is happening about this matter - it is not

> getting much play in the media nationally. I find this a little

> surprising. Usually this kind of government/parents controversy

> ignites interest across the county -- but not this one. Do a Google

> news search and you'll be lucky to find more than a handful of

> mentions. Very curious.

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> Lenny

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http://wbztv.com/local/local_story_317211148.html

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> > Re: " Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail "

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> > A curious development is happening about this matter - it is not

> > getting much play in the media nationally. I find this a little

> > surprising. Usually this kind of government/parents controversy

> > ignites interest across the county -- but not this one. Do a

Google

> > news search and you'll be lucky to find more than a handful of

> > mentions. Very curious.

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> > Lenny

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Hi Ange,

If they didn't want to bring attention, why pick the fight in the

first place?

Lenny

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> Perhaps 'they' do not want to bring attention to the fact that there

are educated parents that will fight to not vaccinate. usually it is

only poor, black, uneducated types that do this. dont want to raise

alarm bells do we?

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> Ange

> Re: " Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail "

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> Re: " Vaccinate Your Kids or Go To Jail "

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> A curious development is happening about this matter - it is not

> getting much play in the media nationally. I find this a little

> surprising. Usually this kind of government/parents controversy

> ignites interest across the county -- but not this one. Do a Google

> news search and you'll be lucky to find more than a handful of

> mentions. Very curious.

>

> Lenny

>

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> Hi Ange,

>

> If they didn't want to bring attention, why pick the fight in the

> first place?

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> Lenny

There's all different kinds of attention I guess. Obviously the

intention was to strike fear which would lead to compliance among all

who read about the incident, all while carefully not communicating

that there are options to legally avoid vaccinating.

I think the political terminology for a maneuver like this is " test

balloon " or something. They're going to float this one past the public

and, if there's no particularly strong outcry, they're going to up the

ante and widen the dragnet to other communities, other states. I

wonder that it's an accident that this happened so close to D.C.. I

think this state's attorney is a " test balloon " patsy- though

frequently the lesser officials who float initial " balloon " policies

are in on the big picture. If the coup goes astray (and I think the

public is significantly groggy enough for it not to go astray), the

blame will land on Missourri. He'll probably be compensated.

Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid, " emotional " and in an anti-

vaccine " fervor " . Pick one- since those are the only characterizations

the mainstream press is granting us. Oh, I forgot " deluded "

and " dangerous " .

Oh well- paranoid or not, I think we're going to file for our kids'

exemptions sooner rather than later, despite the fact that they're not

enrolled in school. Medical and religious. I think religious

exemptions are about to be seriously targeted.

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One land county takes tough tack on vaccinations

In one of the strongest stands in the US, Prince 's County, Md.,

orders parents to immunize their children or risk up to 10 days in jail.

By Gail Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science

Monitor from the November 19, 2007 edition

UPPER MARLBORO, MD. - For the parents that converged on a courthouse

in Prince 's County, Md., on Saturday morning, the choice seemed

clear: Vaccinate your kids or go to jail.

In fact, there are exemptions for medical or religious reasons in the

state of land. But few parents standing in lines that stretched

down the sidewalk outside the county courthouse said they were aware

of them.

Flanked by protesters and television crews, parents said they just

wanted to sort out immunizations, so their kids could go back to

school – and they could avoid penalties of up to 10 days in jail and

$50 a day in fines.

" I've got too many children to raise to go to jail, " says Remy Durham,

who cares for her nephew, Lamonte Hyter, along with seven other children.

All states require that children be immunized from some childhood

diseases, but the crackdown in Prince 's County has attracted

international attention.

" We've had calls and e-mail from all over the country, especially the

Midwest, as well as England, Germany, and Poland, " says Glenn Ivey,

state's attorney in Prince 's County, in a phone interview.

A lot of the uproar over the county's new approach to this issue was

fueled by misinformation, he said – especially websites that said " we

were going to start arresting people. " One critic " called me a

jackbooted representative of a United Nations, international

pharmaceutical conspiracy, " he says.

In fact, no decision has been made yet on what steps to take next, and

it was never intended to scare people, he says. He's boiled his answer

to critics down to one line: " It's about getting kids back in school,

not to put parents in jail, " he said.

By the start of the 2007 school year, more than 2,800 children in

Prince 's County were not in compliance with state mandates on

immunizations. The school board asked the courts to help by setting up

a date for parents to either have their children vaccinated on site or

provide evidence that they were in compliance with the law.

" This seemed like a great idea. We did not order people to do

anything. We invited them to the court house to talk about it, " said

Circuit Court Judge C. Philip Nichols in a phone interview.

says that buff-colored letter, which arrived a day

before his Nov. 17 court date, got his attention. He gave up a day of

work mounting dry wall to figure it out with a judge.

" I was a little afraid to see 'Court House' [on the letterhead], " he

said. " I thought: 'Wow, what's wrong? I didn't do anything.' " He

unfolds a full-page record of vaccinations and booster shots for his

12-year-old son, . " It's the school that got it wrong, " he says.

" That's not necessarily a bad thing, " said White, spokesman for

the 132,000-student school system, commenting on this case. " For two

years we've been asking parents to get right with the requirements,

and now they are. "

By the end of the day, more than 100 children had been immunized and

some 70 records corrected and updated.

But protesters outside the courthouse say that the summons to the

courthouse amounted to a campaign of intimidation, and that parents

weren't adequately informed of their rights as parents or possible

risks to their children.

" I think it's offensive that the government would forcibly vaccinate

kids. Individual rights are a good thing, and when you're dealing with

health issues, informed consent is an important value, " says Donna

Hurlack, a Virginia gynecologist protesting outside the courthouse.

" There was a feeling of intimidation. Children were basically put in

that building, lined up and given vaccines without any information

given to parents about how to monitor their children for adverse

vaccination reactions, " says Barbara Loe Fisher, president and

cofounder of the National Vaccine Information Center, which advocates

for more parental rights in immunization.

She notes that many of the parents she met said they had lost records,

and that children may have been revaccinated.

" Vaccines carry risks. Those risks are greater for some than others.

At the very least there should have been screening for those children

and information given to parents, " Ms. Fisher adds.

" The heavy-handed 'vaccine roundup' instigated by Mr. Ivey obliterates

informed consent and parental rights, " said the Association of

American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. in a Nov. 18 letter to land

Gov. O'Malley.

" Vaccines can and do save lives.... But this episode has demonstrated

that we must take a much more deliberative approach in crafting and

enforcing vaccine policy without sacrificing the rights and liberties

of individuals and families, " the letter stated.

Twenty-eight states, including Florida, Massachusetts, and New York,

allow parents to opt out of required vaccinations only for medical or

religious reasons. Twenty others, such as California, Texas,

Pennsylvania, and Ohio, also permit parents to give personal or

philosophical reasons. Mississippi and West Virginia allow exemptions

only for medical reasons, according to the Associated Press.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1119/p02s04-ussc.html