Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Yeah that happened to a couple of other groups I'm on last week. One was down for days. It was about income tax. V ----- Original Message ----- From: " baby_grand " <bobluhrs@...> Very funny. When we first started out, everytime had network/server issues, it was a whole barrage of threads about the FDA and govt censorship...then our files came back. But it sure gets the old adrenalin going. b > V, > You know I'm being silly. > Yes, we live in interesting times guaranteed to get interestinger. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: V > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 I have enjoyed reading your posts. I feel I must just say something here. Nobody wants to find themselves in the midst of a pandemic, but to say that things like SARS were well contained is not entirely true. I helped nurse a friend in a hospital that was deemed " clean " in 2003. I was misinformed. Days after I had left, I was told to go into quarantine, as SARS had been re detected. 12 days later (quarantine lasts 10 days), I was put in isolation at the same hospital where I contracted the virus. I would not wish that experience on anyone. The expectation was that people weren't going to live to tell about the mistreatment and the forcing of meds on people. I never had more than an antibiotic and prednisone, but was basically forced to submit to 2 days of interferon--which made me feel awful! They could never prove that I had anything other than pneumonia, but having held me as they did, they desperately wanted to confirm a SARS diagnosis. I now understand unlike I ever did before, just what people with AIDS went through in the beginning. Ambulance drivers wouldn't help me, doctors had an underlying hostility and the tests that we were subjected to daily, were entirely dehumanizing. I fear that whatever plans come into play for a pandemic, we can not lose sight of the fact that people don't behave predictably in case of crisis. I would dread the day that I ever allowed a family member to enter a hospital. I have been preparing for this eventuality for some time. Just wanted to speak from the voice of one who survived a plague but is forever reminded of how lucky I was to get out alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hi , I am in the US, Oregon. In China trucks cruised through the town picking people up to take to quarantine. They did not seem to have a plan as to whom to take, perhaps filling a quota? My dogs were poisoned in China, even though they were contained in my yard. The locals, after finally getting it through their thick heads that there was a problem, decided cats and dogs must be spreading it. We returned to the US out of fear of knowing that the government could decide to put our children or us in Quarantine and that if we were not already sick, surely we would be infected there. Our embassy told us that if this happened they could not intervene. The thought of one of my kids in their hellholes and us not being able to be with them convinced us to get out. When we returned home, my husband’s partner asked him to stay out of the office and none of our friends and neighbors would come around until we had been home the ten-day incubation period. When I enrolled the kids in school 3 weeks after our return, the school officials did not want to admit them. They were completely ignorant of the CDC and WHO recommendations and of the disease incubation period. I had to fight to get them admitted and then when they went to school the first day, they yarded them all in and took their temperature before allowing them in class. I was amazed at the ignorance and at the discriminatory manner that they treated us. This was a public school. Lynn From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of blondie4162002 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:41 AM Flu Subject: [Flu] Re: Sars Hi Lynn: I live in Toronto, Canada. Where are you? I am curious to know what sorts of things you are referring to. Looking forward to your observations. > > , > > > > What country do you live in? I was in China during SARS and saw some amazing > things, none of them good. When we returned home, there were some surprises > also. > > > > Lynn > > > > _____ > > From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:19 PM > Flu > Subject: [Flu] Sars > > > > I have enjoyed reading your posts. I feel I must just say something > here. Nobody wants to find themselves in the midst of a pandemic, > but to say that things like SARS were well contained is not entirely > true. > I helped nurse a friend in a hospital that was deemed " clean " in > 2003. > I was misinformed. Days after I had left, I was told to go into > quarantine, as SARS had been re detected. 12 days later (quarantine > lasts 10 days), I was put in isolation at the same hospital where I > contracted the virus. > I would not wish that experience on anyone. The expectation was > that people weren't going to live to tell about the mistreatment and > the forcing of meds on people. I never had more than an antibiotic > and prednisone, but was basically forced to submit to 2 days of > interferon--which made me feel awful! They could never prove that I > had anything other than pneumonia, but having held me as they did, > they desperately wanted to confirm a SARS diagnosis. > I now understand unlike I ever did before, just what people with > AIDS went through in the beginning. > Ambulance drivers wouldn't help me, doctors had an underlying > hostility and the tests that we were subjected to daily, were > entirely dehumanizing. I fear that whatever plans come into play > for a pandemic, we can not lose sight of the fact that people don't > behave predictably in case of crisis. > I would dread the day that I ever allowed a family member to enter a > hospital. I have been preparing for this eventuality for some time. > > Just wanted to speak from the voice of one who survived a plague but > is forever reminded of how lucky I was to get out alive. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Oh Lynn: I am so sickened by your story. I'm sorry you lost your dogs. How horrible. Were you not in some kind of special area where they could not get to you? This must have been a nightmare--a horror! I am frankly so glad for you all that you are back in the USA. I may be naive, but I do not remember any documented cases of SARS coming out of the USA. I did not know that the same precautions were being used there. The descrimination is pretty awful, I admit. I had to testify as one who was isolated in a SARS hospital--btw, they never ever proved that I had the virus!! I think that in times of panic, be it disease, war, or as we have recently seen, acts of God, people lose their sense of reason and a sort of pandamonium sets in. The treatment by so many people who one would have expected to have a heart(ie ambulance drivers, doctors), was sorely absent. My fear is no matter how many emergency measures our countries put into effect, if and when this H5N1 mutates, we will have to really safeguard our own families and keep a distance. To this day, the Department of Health hounds me and sends me mail by courriers about tests and studies they are doing. I hate being in a database, and am even more concerned because of this. Have you had reason to go back to China lately? Thanks again, > > Hi , > > > > I am in the US, Oregon. In China trucks cruised through the town picking > people up to take to quarantine. They did not seem to have a plan as to whom > to take, perhaps filling a quota? My dogs were poisoned in China, even > though they were contained in my yard. The locals, after finally getting it > through their thick heads that there was a problem, decided cats and dogs > must be spreading it. > > > > We returned to the US out of fear of knowing that the government could > decide to put our children or us in Quarantine and that if we were not > already sick, surely we would be infected there. Our embassy told us that if > this happened they could not intervene. The thought of one of my kids in > their hellholes and us not being able to be with them convinced us to get > out. > > > > When we returned home, my husband's partner asked him to stay out of the > office and none of our friends and neighbors would come around until we had > been home the ten-day incubation period. When I enrolled the kids in school > 3 weeks after our return, the school officials did not want to admit them. > They were completely ignorant of the CDC and WHO recommendations and of the > disease incubation period. I had to fight to get them admitted and then when > they went to school the first day, they yarded them all in and took their > temperature before allowing them in class. I was amazed at the ignorance and > at the discriminatory manner that they treated us. This was a public school. > > > > > Lynn > > _____ > > From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:41 AM > Flu > Subject: [Flu] Re: Sars > > > > Hi Lynn: > I live in Toronto, Canada. Where are you? I am curious to know > what sorts of things you are referring to. Looking forward to your > observations. > > > > > , > > > > > > > > What country do you live in? I was in China during SARS and saw > some amazing > > things, none of them good. When we returned home, there were some > surprises > > also. > > > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Flu > [mailto:Flu ] On > > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:19 PM > > Flu > > Subject: [Flu] Sars > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed reading your posts. I feel I must just say > something > > here. Nobody wants to find themselves in the midst of a pandemic, > > but to say that things like SARS were well contained is not > entirely > > true. > > I helped nurse a friend in a hospital that was deemed " clean " in > > 2003. > > I was misinformed. Days after I had left, I was told to go into > > quarantine, as SARS had been re detected. 12 days later > (quarantine > > lasts 10 days), I was put in isolation at the same hospital where > I > > contracted the virus. > > I would not wish that experience on anyone. The expectation was > > that people weren't going to live to tell about the mistreatment > and > > the forcing of meds on people. I never had more than an > antibiotic > > and prednisone, but was basically forced to submit to 2 days of > > interferon--which made me feel awful! They could never prove that > I > > had anything other than pneumonia, but having held me as they did, > > they desperately wanted to confirm a SARS diagnosis. > > I now understand unlike I ever did before, just what people with > > AIDS went through in the beginning. > > Ambulance drivers wouldn't help me, doctors had an underlying > > hostility and the tests that we were subjected to daily, were > > entirely dehumanizing. I fear that whatever plans come into play > > for a pandemic, we can not lose sight of the fact that people > don't > > behave predictably in case of crisis. > > I would dread the day that I ever allowed a family member to enter > a > > hospital. I have been preparing for this eventuality for some > time. > > > > Just wanted to speak from the voice of one who survived a plague > but > > is forever reminded of how lucky I was to get out alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 One can only imagine the response to a pandemic or potential pandemic that would be seen in a country where information is carefully controlled and there are few civil liberties. In the best of times human rights are not a priority in China. If there is an H5N1 outbreak it would be horrible. Pete > > Hi , > > > > I am in the US, Oregon. In China trucks cruised through the town picking > people up to take to quarantine. They did not seem to have a plan as to whom > to take, perhaps filling a quota? My dogs were poisoned in China, even > though they were contained in my yard. The locals, after finally getting it > through their thick heads that there was a problem, decided cats and dogs > must be spreading it. > > > > We returned to the US out of fear of knowing that the government could > decide to put our children or us in Quarantine and that if we were not > already sick, surely we would be infected there. Our embassy told us that if > this happened they could not intervene. The thought of one of my kids in > their hellholes and us not being able to be with them convinced us to get > out. > > > > When we returned home, my husband's partner asked him to stay out of the > office and none of our friends and neighbors would come around until we had > been home the ten-day incubation period. When I enrolled the kids in school > 3 weeks after our return, the school officials did not want to admit them. > They were completely ignorant of the CDC and WHO recommendations and of the > disease incubation period. I had to fight to get them admitted and then when > they went to school the first day, they yarded them all in and took their > temperature before allowing them in class. I was amazed at the ignorance and > at the discriminatory manner that they treated us. This was a public school. > > > > > Lynn > > _____ > > From: Flu [mailto:Flu ] On > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:41 AM > Flu > Subject: [Flu] Re: Sars > > > > Hi Lynn: > I live in Toronto, Canada. Where are you? I am curious to know > what sorts of things you are referring to. Looking forward to your > observations. > > > > > , > > > > > > > > What country do you live in? I was in China during SARS and saw > some amazing > > things, none of them good. When we returned home, there were some > surprises > > also. > > > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Flu > [mailto:Flu ] On > > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:19 PM > > Flu > > Subject: [Flu] Sars > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed reading your posts. I feel I must just say > something > > here. Nobody wants to find themselves in the midst of a pandemic, > > but to say that things like SARS were well contained is not > entirely > > true. > > I helped nurse a friend in a hospital that was deemed " clean " in > > 2003. > > I was misinformed. Days after I had left, I was told to go into > > quarantine, as SARS had been re detected. 12 days later > (quarantine > > lasts 10 days), I was put in isolation at the same hospital where > I > > contracted the virus. > > I would not wish that experience on anyone. The expectation was > > that people weren't going to live to tell about the mistreatment > and > > the forcing of meds on people. I never had more than an > antibiotic > > and prednisone, but was basically forced to submit to 2 days of > > interferon--which made me feel awful! They could never prove that > I > > had anything other than pneumonia, but having held me as they did, > > they desperately wanted to confirm a SARS diagnosis. > > I now understand unlike I ever did before, just what people with > > AIDS went through in the beginning. > > Ambulance drivers wouldn't help me, doctors had an underlying > > hostility and the tests that we were subjected to daily, were > > entirely dehumanizing. I fear that whatever plans come into play > > for a pandemic, we can not lose sight of the fact that people > don't > > behave predictably in case of crisis. > > I would dread the day that I ever allowed a family member to enter > a > > hospital. I have been preparing for this eventuality for some > time. > > > > Just wanted to speak from the voice of one who survived a plague > but > > is forever reminded of how lucky I was to get out alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Pete, start looking at our own government. They would, and most assuradly do monitor our news information. Start reading news sources from around the world, and you will be surprised at what other countries are saying about ours. > > > > Hi , > > > > > > > > I am in the US, Oregon. In China trucks cruised through the town picking > > people up to take to quarantine. They did not seem to have a plan as > to whom > > to take, perhaps filling a quota? My dogs were poisoned in China, even > > though they were contained in my yard. The locals, after finally > getting it > > through their thick heads that there was a problem, decided cats and > dogs > > must be spreading it. > > > > > > > > We returned to the US out of fear of knowing that the government could > > decide to put our children or us in Quarantine and that if we were not > > already sick, surely we would be infected there. Our embassy told us > that if > > this happened they could not intervene. The thought of one of my kids in > > their hellholes and us not being able to be with them convinced us > to get > > out. > > > > > > > > When we returned home, my husband's partner asked him to stay out of the > > office and none of our friends and neighbors would come around until > we had > > been home the ten-day incubation period. When I enrolled the kids in > school > > 3 weeks after our return, the school officials did not want to admit > them. > > They were completely ignorant of the CDC and WHO recommendations and > of the > > disease incubation period. I had to fight to get them admitted and > then when > > they went to school the first day, they yarded them all in and took > their > > temperature before allowing them in class. I was amazed at the > ignorance and > > at the discriminatory manner that they treated us. This was a public > school. > > > > > > > > > > Lynn > > > > _____ > > > > From: Flu > [mailto:Flu ] On > > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:41 AM > > Flu > > Subject: [Flu] Re: Sars > > > > > > > > Hi Lynn: > > I live in Toronto, Canada. Where are you? I am curious to know > > what sorts of things you are referring to. Looking forward to your > > observations. > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > What country do you live in? I was in China during SARS and saw > > some amazing > > > things, none of them good. When we returned home, there were some > > surprises > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Flu > > [mailto:Flu ] On > > > Behalf Of blondie4162002 > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:19 PM > > > Flu > > > Subject: [Flu] Sars > > > > > > > > > > > > I have enjoyed reading your posts. I feel I must just say > > something > > > here. Nobody wants to find themselves in the midst of a pandemic, > > > but to say that things like SARS were well contained is not > > entirely > > > true. > > > I helped nurse a friend in a hospital that was deemed " clean " in > > > 2003. > > > I was misinformed. Days after I had left, I was told to go into > > > quarantine, as SARS had been re detected. 12 days later > > (quarantine > > > lasts 10 days), I was put in isolation at the same hospital where > > I > > > contracted the virus. > > > I would not wish that experience on anyone. The expectation was > > > that people weren't going to live to tell about the mistreatment > > and > > > the forcing of meds on people. I never had more than an > > antibiotic > > > and prednisone, but was basically forced to submit to 2 days of > > > interferon--which made me feel awful! They could never prove that > > I > > > had anything other than pneumonia, but having held me as they did, > > > they desperately wanted to confirm a SARS diagnosis. > > > I now understand unlike I ever did before, just what people with > > > AIDS went through in the beginning. > > > Ambulance drivers wouldn't help me, doctors had an underlying > > > hostility and the tests that we were subjected to daily, were > > > entirely dehumanizing. I fear that whatever plans come into play > > > for a pandemic, we can not lose sight of the fact that people > > don't > > > behave predictably in case of crisis. > > > I would dread the day that I ever allowed a family member to enter > > a > > > hospital. I have been preparing for this eventuality for some > > time. > > > > > > Just wanted to speak from the voice of one who survived a plague > > but > > > is forever reminded of how lucky I was to get out alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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