Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Mel Siff wrote: <I am not referring primarily to those who may be less intelligent, but far more to those with aberrant personality traits which they are born with or acquire in their family units, like the Hitlers and Stalins of the world, whose actions are often aimed at destruction of most of the species.> **** I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree with that?! ly it amazes me that these people can achieve such power. I've read various theories as to how this can be, but it's hard to believe. I've never been personally involved in a situation such as this, so it's hard to determine how it all got started. I wonder if it started because of economic problems and the person who led the " revolution " sounded good in the beginning, only to turn into a tyrant after they obtained more power than they could handle. Or were these people just nuts to begin with, like Osama bin Laden? Certainly there has to be something mentally wrong with this man. Unlike Sadam, who appears to be basically power-hungry and will do anything, no matter how horrid, to achieve control, Osama is more of a psychopath. When interviews with him were on CNN, it was almost impossible to understand what he was talking about. Granted when one language is translated into another, shades of meaning can be lost, but the general idea usually gets through. In Osama's case, I had a hard time figuring out what the general idea was in the first place. [sadam, according to psychiatrists, also has been categorised as paranoid, megalomaniacal, psychopathic and manic, but, whatever labels we attach to people who display such hatred and lust to kill anyone who opposes them or thinks differently, they hardly are examples of developed, actualised, genuinely spiritual or altruistic human beings. Whatever their failings and evil nature, they certainly are very aware of how to use the classic methods of propaganda, persuasion and media manipulation, as did Hitler and his minions. To some social theorists, information constitutes a type of " mental gene " or " meme " which also is passed on from generation to generation to perpetuate the existence of a certain group (e.g. read books by EO and Dawkins, " The Selfish Gene " ). Make no mistake, such individuals know and use the power of religions, nationalities and philosophies to help them propagate their " memes " ! Mel Siff] Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon Marina del Rey, CA IronRoses@... http://home.earthlink.net/~chuckietechie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Mel Siff wrote: <I am not referring primarily to those who may be less intelligent, but far more to those with aberrant personality traits which they are born with or acquire in their family units, like the Hitlers and Stalins of the world, whose actions are often aimed at destruction of most of the species.> **** I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree with that?! ly it amazes me that these people can achieve such power. I've read various theories as to how this can be, but it's hard to believe. I've never been personally involved in a situation such as this, so it's hard to determine how it all got started. I wonder if it started because of economic problems and the person who led the " revolution " sounded good in the beginning, only to turn into a tyrant after they obtained more power than they could handle. Or were these people just nuts to begin with, like Osama bin Laden? Certainly there has to be something mentally wrong with this man. Unlike Sadam, who appears to be basically power-hungry and will do anything, no matter how horrid, to achieve control, Osama is more of a psychopath. When interviews with him were on CNN, it was almost impossible to understand what he was talking about. Granted when one language is translated into another, shades of meaning can be lost, but the general idea usually gets through. In Osama's case, I had a hard time figuring out what the general idea was in the first place. [sadam, according to psychiatrists, also has been categorised as paranoid, megalomaniacal, psychopathic and manic, but, whatever labels we attach to people who display such hatred and lust to kill anyone who opposes them or thinks differently, they hardly are examples of developed, actualised, genuinely spiritual or altruistic human beings. Whatever their failings and evil nature, they certainly are very aware of how to use the classic methods of propaganda, persuasion and media manipulation, as did Hitler and his minions. To some social theorists, information constitutes a type of " mental gene " or " meme " which also is passed on from generation to generation to perpetuate the existence of a certain group (e.g. read books by EO and Dawkins, " The Selfish Gene " ). Make no mistake, such individuals know and use the power of religions, nationalities and philosophies to help them propagate their " memes " ! Mel Siff] Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon Marina del Rey, CA IronRoses@... http://home.earthlink.net/~chuckietechie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 In einer eMail vom 01.12.2005 07:18:01 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...: > I agree. If our government would fund public health adequately we'd be far more > prepared for something like a new viral disease - new to humans, that is. don't rely on your government's funding. They are too much in debt already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 isn't there a good chance that we will be able to defeat the viruses in some decades with evolving nanotechnology ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 I agree. If our government would fund public health adequately we'd be far more prepared for something like a new viral disease - new to humans, that is.Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: I think the question is useless. Check Files, Experts. You will see expert opinion is all over the place. And then there is the item that I posted tonight about the 1918 Spanish flu taking 18 years to evolve.But I do not think that this question is too important, either. Why? Because the point is not simply to be prepared for the next flu pandemic. The point is that governments worldwide must take money from the military and put it into public health. If this does not happen, we will have future pandemics and they will be very nasty. Whether the pandemics will be a new flu or something new and nasty as AIDS was, we cannot know. It is all a matter of the evolution of viruses. Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Sad to say, you are right. Billions have been spent on the war machine, and for what reason?sterten@... wrote: In einer eMail vom 01.12.2005 07:18:01 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...: > I agree. If our government would fund public health adequately we'd be far more > prepared for something like a new viral disease - new to humans, that is. don't rely on your government's funding. They are too much in debt already. Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Good evening, . And it is not just our government. When the Pneumonic Plague broke out in India in the 1990's, India was spending twenty times as much on its military as on public health. This is way out of line. But while India got a pandemic, they also got the bomb and a blue water navy complete with aircraft carrier. They can now menace their neighbors. Whoopeee! I think the question is useless. Check Files, Experts. You will see > expert opinion is all over the place. And then there is the item that > I posted tonight about the 1918 Spanish flu taking 18 years to evolve. > > But I do not think that this question is too important, either. Why? > Because the point is not simply to be prepared for the next flu > pandemic. The point is that governments worldwide must take money from > the military and put it into public health. If this does not happen, > we will have future pandemics and they will be very nasty. Whether the > pandemics will be a new flu or something new and nasty as AIDS was, we > cannot know. It is all a matter of the evolution of viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Actually, it is the State governments that fund epidemic control in the US, not the Federal government: and the States are not in debt and are doing fine. In einer eMail vom 01.12.2005 07:18:01 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@y...: > > I agree. If our government would fund public health adequately we'd be far more > > prepared for something like a new viral disease - new to humans, that is. > don't rely on your government's funding. > They are too much in debt already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 The US Federal government can deficit spend. The individual US States must balance their budgets. > > I didn't know the states were not in debt in USA. > In Germany the states and cities are even more in debts than the federal > government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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